+Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) Please do not ask for coins here, this is to get an idea on what the prefered method to order will be. The Golden Dragon coin will be the same as the Emerald Dragon coin with the following changes: 24 karat gold plating (polished gold) Sandblasting on front recessed area (Getting same gritty as back requires new die) The green colors will be a little different shade They will have red gem eye's (Sorry blue fans) They are scheduled to ship December 19, so I will probably ship them the first business day after Christmas holiday. I haven't decided how many to sell, either 50 or 100. Last time I set a limit of 100, selling far more in preorders. One reason I am minting this coin is for placement in caches, and I don't wanna get "wiped out" right off the bat. This one will be $8.00 shipped to U.S. SO......... Would you like to: 1. Pre-order thread 2. Set a date/time for "Buy it now" on eBay (If #2, would you want it after I get the coins, or sooner like maybe this weekend?) Either way they will be shipped end of December for those who have made payment. BTW 250 will be made of this run, and limit one coin per cacher/address. Edited December 9, 2005 by Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Link to comment
+LadeBear68 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Not sure Ebay is doing that well. They could not sell out the Kansas coin or maybe it is the time of year. I prefer ebay over email due to the fact that some of my emails take forever. Link to comment
+Prairiepartners Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Hate paying all those ebay fees to buy coins on presales Link to comment
+AtlantaGal Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I don't care how you sell it as long as I am able to get one to go with my silver Link to comment
+DresselDragons Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Don't care which way just as long we will get one to go with our silver... ! Link to comment
YemonYime Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Honestly, a pre-order thread will go way over the number you plan, and you'll have a lot of sorting to do. The eBay idea seems to be working for some, but I'm wondering how fees will start to factor in to coin pricing. My suggestion is to have people e-mail a specific email address starting at a particular time. You can set one up through gmail or something, or even use your own, but people may already know that. Instruct them to use a specific phrase in the subject line that will allow you to filter those messages for better management. Then you can simply take the first X amount of emails and that's who's in. Remember, it's YOUR sale, and you're the boss. Do it however is most convenient for you. Link to comment
Parrolet Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Will you allow the 1st coin purchases to the ones that bought the 1st coin first? I would like to see that. Either way is fine really. Ebay may be better. I haven't had any problems getting any coin that has gone on sale there yet but have had trouble with others selling the other ways and missed them. Link to comment
+Squealy Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) I like the pre-order thread myself. Would you be willing to trade for one of mine? Edited December 9, 2005 by Squealy Link to comment
+Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 Hate paying all those ebay fees to buy coins on presales But I'll be the one paying the fees. They should be minimal and well worth it to not have to sort through all the emails..... Link to comment
+Go JayBee Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I'm still waiting to hear from you about a trade for your 1st coin... Link to comment
+GEO*Trailblazer 1 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I like the ebay and preorder. I would like one either way. Link to comment
57chevy Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I like the Idea of offering it to people that got the first one, but I also think that a few should be offered exclusively to those who didn't. Also keep in mind this is a worldwide hobby and the sell times should be set up to accomodate other countries also. Link to comment
+FlyinV Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 We like what Yemon said! Link to comment
+Cache-Hounds Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Doesn't matter to me which way you choose, but it would be nice to know when the sale will occur ahead of time. Since I have your last coin, I'd really like to get this one too. Link to comment
+SeventhSon Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 My suggestion is to have people e-mail a specific email address starting at a particular time. You can set one up through gmail or something, or even use your own, but people may already know that. Instruct them to use a specific phrase in the subject line that will allow you to filter those messages for better management. Then you can simply take the first X amount of emails and that's who's in. Remember, it's YOUR sale, and you're the boss. Do it however is most convenient for you. I used this method on my sale, and it worked pretty well, but not all used the proper subject line. One no-subject ended up in the trash So you'll need to decide if you're gonna be strict or let it go. I let it go. I had fun Link to comment
+Ladycacher Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I can tell you that selling them on ebay is easier for the seller no matter what. I have noticed several coins that are not "selling out" like they normaly would and I am thinking it's the holiday's doing it. I myself am only buying one or two coins rather than my 4-5. I thought you were going to offer to the people who bought your last coin first? Link to comment
+Shop99er Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 My suggestion is to have people e-mail a specific email address starting at a particular time. You can set one up through gmail or something, or even use your own, but people may already know that. Instruct them to use a specific phrase in the subject line that will allow you to filter those messages for better management. Then you can simply take the first X amount of emails and that's who's in. Remember, it's YOUR sale, and you're the boss. Do it however is most convenient for you. This is what we did for the GeoGhost coin, and will do for the Kitsap Coin this Sunday. It works just fine. (shameless plug, there ) Link to comment
+GrandpaKim Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Don't do the email thing. There's too many possibilities of things going wrong. I tried to get in on one that way and my email just disappeared. Luckily, there were enough being sold that the individual selling the coins let me know that he never got my original email and I sent him another email from a different email account and that one worked. But if there had only been 50 to 100, I wouldn't have been able to resend. Also, when you're working with 2 servers, both yours and theirs, that's twice the chance for a glitch, either a delay or MIA. So I vote for selling them on eBay. Also, I think you should offer to the original coin purchasers first and then sell any that aren't taken. Link to comment
+Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 Only thing I got a problem with for emails is the time stamp issue......got some thinkin' to do Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I think you should give those who bought before the first right to buy the coin even if you have to limit it to one per person. Those are the people who would of had the chance if the coin was made up front. While I still think you shouldn't, I do think it will be a better looking coin, and I'd hate to miss out on it. Link to comment
+JMBella Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I've sold coins both by "direct to paypal" and through ebay. There's pros and cons to each method but ebay eliminates more problems. I'll most likely do the ebay thing again next time. Link to comment
+501_Gang Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Never used Ebay and probably never will. Link to comment
+TeamSnook Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Just don't do it on the weekend we like to cache on the weekends. Andy & Ellie Link to comment
+TMOCM Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I'd like to see everyone have a fair change to purchase this coin. Why should those who purchased the first coin get first shot at purchasing this coin? There are a number of new coin collectors that I'm sure would like to add to their collection also. Link to comment
+Mystery Ink Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 We love the first coin, it is a real eye catcher, and am looking forward to getting the next. Part of me wants it to be first buyers first so they can complete the collection, and part of me wants it to be free enterprise. Maybe 70 / 30 Link to comment
+Nomad and the Librarians Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I like a Dutch auction on eBay. How about restricting it to people who didn't have a chance to get one of the first ones. Spread the wealth a little. That way there'd be a lot more trading. (Actually, I don't think you should restrict it at all, but surely restricting it to people who already have one is the least equitable way to proceed. Not that there is any requirement for you to be equitable. As someone noted earlier, it's your sale. You're the boss.) Link to comment
+Damenace Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I am for the Dutch Auction on Ebay. This seems to be the trend. Link to comment
+Team Maddie UK Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I just want a matching pair. would prefer pre-sales in the forums though, as has been pointed out before different nicks the whole way around can be confusing. i must get more ebay accounts.... Link to comment
+DancesWithMoose Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Definitely put a limit. I would defiinitely want to get one to match my current coin. I think a limit of 2 at most. Link to comment
+bikinibottomfeeders Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Hate paying all those ebay fees to buy coins on presales what fees? it's like 25 cents...stop being such a tight wad jim Link to comment
+MO Outdoorfamily Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Hate paying all those ebay fees to buy coins on presales what fees? it's like 25 cents...stop being such a tight wad jim On a dutch auction of 100 coins? $0.048/coin insertion fee plus 5.25% of the selling price. $10 coin = $0.58 Ebay Fees Of course these are slightly higher or lower depending on coin price. And I am pretty sure those that have used ebay so far have figured the ebay fees into the selling price of the coins. Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) I'd like to see everyone have a fair change to purchase this coin. Why should those who purchased the first coin get first shot at purchasing this coin? There are a number of new coin collectors that I'm sure would like to add to their collection also. To answer your questions. The people who bought first were told there would be no other coins. Now there is another coin. Is it fair to shut out the original buyers who were told what they got was it and now they can't get the more valuable version that's being made? Or do you shut out new buyers who requested the coin be made and now it is? Limiting it to one per original buyer is a compromise and would open it up to new people as well. Of course the final decision belongs to the owner. Edited December 9, 2005 by Renegade Knight Link to comment
+Ladycacher Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) Here is a easier way to judge just the ebay fees. I owe them 586.74 for the sale of almost 1400 coins. Now, that does not include the paypal fees. A website we all have bought coins from wanted close to 2,333 if I sold my coins on their site. Edited December 9, 2005 by Ladycacher & Boys Link to comment
+graylling Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 It doesn't matter to me which ay it goes. I would just like to make sure I get one to match the Emerald dragon I have. Having said that I have had problems with the ebay route. Every time I try and order something from there it takes me 3 times as long because of random errors and stuff. A good point brought up though. I would wait until after christmas before you start the sale. A lot of people are being a bit tighter with the money right now because of christmas. Doing it after the holidays would let everyone have a chance to catch up on things and figure out how much cash they have left to spend on coins. Link to comment
Parrolet Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Here is a easier way to judge just the ebay fees. I owe them 586.74 for the sale of almost 1400 coins. Now, that does not include the paypal fees. A website we all have bought coins from wanted close to 2,333 if I sold my coins on their site. OMG! Link to comment
Parrolet Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 A good point brought up though. I would wait until after christmas before you start the sale. A lot of people are being a bit tighter with the money right now because of christmas. Doing it after the holidays would let everyone have a chance to catch up on things and figure out how much cash they have left to spend on coins. I'm in for waiting til after Christmas too. Link to comment
+Balla & Silly Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I don't care how you sell it as long as I am able to get one to go with my silver DITO! (What about shipping fee to Germany?) Link to comment
+Balla & Silly Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Limiting it to one per original buyer is a compromise and would open it up to new people as well. Of course the final decision belongs to the owner. We would very much like this compromise! Link to comment
+TMOCM Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I'd like to see everyone have a fair change to purchase this coin. Why should those who purchased the first coin get first shot at purchasing this coin? There are a number of new coin collectors that I'm sure would like to add to their collection also. To answer your questions. The people who bought first were told there would be no other coins. Now there is another coin. Is it fair to shut out the original buyers who were told what they got was it and now they can't get the more valuable version that's being made? Or do you shut out new buyers who requested the coin be made and now it is? Limiting it to one per original buyer is a compromise and would open it up to new people as well. Of course the final decision belongs to the owner. Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware those who bought the first coin were told there would be no other coins. Missed out on the first coin and haven't been able to arrange a trade for one, so I was hoping to have a shot at getting one of the new coins. I agree, your suggestion to limit the purchase of the new coin to one per original buyer as a compromise, while opening it up to new people as well would probably work best. It'll be interesting to see what the owner decides to do, they are after all his coins. Link to comment
+GeoCrickets Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I think one coin for the people that got the first one would be fine. I do not know how many different orders from different Gc names you had but 1 each would be good. I would like to get one my self. Richard of the GeoCrickets Link to comment
+Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 (edited) I'd like to see everyone have a fair change to purchase this coin. Why should those who purchased the first coin get first shot at purchasing this coin? There are a number of new coin collectors that I'm sure would like to add to their collection also. To answer your questions. The people who bought first were told there would be no other coins. Now there is another coin. Is it fair to shut out the original buyers who were told what they got was it and now they can't get the more valuable version that's being made? Or do you shut out new buyers who requested the coin be made and now it is? Limiting it to one per original buyer is a compromise and would open it up to new people as well. Of course the final decision belongs to the owner. There will be no more of the Emerald Dragon. And the question was posed before an order was made for a gold edition. If someone minted a run of 250 coins, 100 silver, 100 gold and 50 pewter....is that one coin? I think it's three. Would you want one of each? Or just any one? Also, this gold one is not "more valuable". The Emerald dragon is .999 silver plated, the gold 24K plated. They charge the same price. The gold will actually be cheaper because they're using the same dies. Also added sandblasting to front (Was told gritty could be added, now they say I need a new die for that, oh well). Color is a little different too. I tried making changes while lowering the price, and not having new dies made. This should be distinctly different, and no way can anyone say these two coins are the same. If it's a problem, I don't mind not selling any and just dropping them into caches for the next year or two. As long as I cache, I will be dropping coins. When I run out, more will be made. New design or not, but none will be identical to another, without question. When a coin says "Coin XXX of 250", then there better not be 251 of them! That's why no more of the original will be made. Just like the gold coin, no more. Yet another dilema to think about. Maybe I better get ready to start dropping off 250 gold coins into local caches......one at a time. At least no one will complain about how/if they should be distributed, who should have first crack, yadda yadda yadda. Heck, I bet I could dispose of at least 200 of them to my local group I cache with, no problem! Dang, it's just a trademark coin. Edited December 10, 2005 by Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Link to comment
+AtlantaGal Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Psst, you did open this thread for opinions and feedback. Just look at the subtitle of it It's your coin. Do what you want to do with it. If there is a sale, just let me know when, where and how, ok? Thanks Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 (edited) ....If someone minted a run of 250 coins, 100 silver, 100 gold and 50 pewter....is that one coin? I think it's three. Would you want one of each? Or just any one? Also, this gold one is not "more valuable".... That's a good question. The 2005 Idaho, Washington and Oregon are different coins. No question about it. Ford, Chevy, Dodge. The 2006 Idaho has the same back and a different pic on the front. Otherwise it’s the same die. The front's graphic is what changed for 2006. I'd say it's more different than a 2005 Idaho in different finish. Chevy, Pontiac. Your coin like many others is the same coin, different finish making it different but not too different. A run of 200 Gold and 200 Silver would be: Silver Mustang, Gold Mustang A run of 300 Pewter, 200 Copper, 100 Silver, 50 Gold would be Mustang , Mustang Convertible, Mustang GT, Mustang GT Convertible. As for value, If Im' a Car Collector I'll go for the Mustang GT Convertible and I'd pass on the more base varieties unless it's all I could get. It's not any different for coins. If they are all the same, I'll pick the Mustang in my favorite color. Edited December 10, 2005 by Renegade Knight Link to comment
+legm Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I would like 2 get one but i do not want to get it from EBay. Link to comment
Bjornian Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 whatever way I want one to go with my silver. Link to comment
+ODragon Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 whatever way I want one to go with my silver. Me too! Link to comment
+qattales Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 i have just started collecting and did not get one of the first coins. i would definitely like to get one of the second coins. i use ebay a lot but i guess i am little worried i may miss the timing for getting in on the auction. can you limit how many people purchase if it is dutch? and if people have not read the whole listing on ebay explaining there is a limit and order multiples won't you have the same work of having to go back and track those orders/bids? ultimately you know the problems with each method and are the one who has to deal with it and feel you should do what makes it easiest for you to handle. i will try to get one either way. debra/qattales Link to comment
+Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 So before or after the holiday? Link to comment
+mrmnjewel Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) Definitely interested. Just getting into the coin side of things. Don't care how we do it as long as we do it. I DO think after the holiday may be best. Edited December 14, 2005 by mrmnjewel Link to comment
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