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The souvenir isn't temporary. The souvenir seems just as much of a permanent stat as find count or any other stat. If this is how you define side games then what about the Virtual Rewards? Are those "side games" too? Those were temporary add-ons that could only be hidden during a limited promotional period. It's also completely absurd to call the geocaching "unchanged". The game is constantly being changed. New caches types get added. Old cache types get retired. Rules fluctuate. Promotions come and go. Why do you get to be the final authority of what counts as part of the "real" game and what is just a "side" game? The problem with this is that I fundamentally disagree with you over what the word "penalty" means. I do understand where you're coming from, but I don't think it's nearly as objective or as black-and-white as you claim it is. I think reasonable people could disagree over whether or not this qualifies as a penalty. I don't think you're necessarily "wrong" in saying that it is not a penalty, but I also don't think it's "wrong" to say it is a penalty. What your argument seems to essentially boil down to is that you disagree with how I interpret the word "penalty", then you assert that your definition is the objectively correct one, and then anybody else who interprets the word differently is just playing a "word game". It's kind of a circular argument because it's only a "word game" if we pre-suppose that your interpretation is the correct one. That's actually not true at all. I think it's kind of a dumb promotion, but I don't anticipate having any trouble completing it. I just recently moved to a new area where I haven't done much caching and there are plenty of quick and easy caches for me to go find. I'm in a position where it will be relatively simple to get all the souvenirs. This isn't personal for me in any way. I just completely understand the perspective of the people who are affected by it, and I think there's an entirely rational and justified basis for phrasing it as a penalty.
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Mystery at the Museum problems
thebruce0 replied to darrylthomas00's topic in Geocaching® Android App
Are you using the same account just on different devices? If it's the same account then the stats should be the same. (and if not, maybe report it; others have occasionally mentioned bugs in the clue counts iirc) If you have different accounts then the stats may be different if your cache find log history since July 11th isn't identical. -
I don't think that's correct.
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Thanks. As long as I can sleep inside, it's perfect for me. I have to go diagonal in that car, with two triangular-shaped piles of camping junk on either side around me. I've got it down to a quick art once I roll into camp. One other advantage of sleeping in the car: it's a Faraday cage. I've lost track of how many times I've been on foot, chased off mountains by lightning storms. In a car, just hop inside and wait.
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It's a side-game because it's 1 month temporary bonus add-on layer to the current and unchanged hobby of geocaching. Of course "geocaching" encompasses this because it's all run on same service. That's why it's a side-game. It's a temporary mecahnic that lets you earn extra souvenirs, which get progressively harder. Not everyone can earn every souvenir. Sometimes the 'easy' souvenirs are harder for one person than another. This isn't a game of strictly equal opportunity. That would be impossible world-wide. No, using the word isn't a word game - trying to play with definitions to make a word support a premise, which it does not, is. No one is being penalized in this promotion, and you haven't demonstrated how it is. You have demonstrated that you are saddened, upset, bothered, that your circumstances make you unable to participate as much as you would like to participate in order to earn all the bonus souvenirs being offered. Some people don't want them. Some people do. Some people had the energy and ability to complete the entire promo in one day - some who were overhwelmed with geocache qualifiers, some who were not and put in the extra work because they chose to. Some don't care, some ignored it all. Nowhere did Groundspeak say "Hey, these people don't deserve to the ability to gain all the souvenirs, so let's make a promotional game mechanic that makes it harder, better yet impossible, for these people to do so". Circumstances that make something in life that you might want to have difficult to get does not mean you are being explicitly penalized so you don't get it easily. As I said, it's unfortunate that not everyone has the ability or circumstance to have the opportunity to earn these bonus digital badges for their profile in this hobby. The more GS can do to make a game fun for more people the better. But not everyone has to find every geocache, and not everyone has to earn every souvenir. It's not a penalty. Find another word.
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I tried that first to no avail. I'm more interested that mine isn't as updated as my wife's and I wonder why that is. Probably an older os. Just hope it becomes compatible.
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It seems odd to me that your initial response was to quibble over whether or not the word "penalty" applies to this situation, but then you also say that using the word is just playing "word games". Imo, your definition of "penalty" to argue that it doesn't apply here is the word game.
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Love Grotto Cold Cache Yam Boulders EEOR Summit
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Once again, word games. There is NO penalty. Find another word that, as I said, doesn't make Groundspeak out to be punishing geocachers.
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I'm also not sure I understand this part of the argument. No-one is required to do any of this. Geocaching isn't mandatory. I mean you could just as easily say that nobody is "required" to go to Events, but does that make Events a "side" game too? This is just one aspect in a game with many features. It seems just as much a part of Geocaching as any other part.
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You're just reading in the word "competing" but that isn't part of the definition. I agree that caching is not really supposed to be "competitive", but it's still a game that has players. I get where you're coming from, but it sounds like you disagree more with the definition of "penalty". All I'm saying is that under the definition as given in OED, the term "penalty" sure seems to apply. Whether or not geocaching is "competitive" is really aside from the point. As I read that definition, it applies regardless of competitiveness. I see the word "competitor" as being a synonym for "player" and not as being strictly limited to actual "competitions".
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Danke. Diese Suchseite hab ich noch nie benutzt - den Einstieg über die (alte) Kartenseite finde ich auch deutlich eleganter und einem Geo-Spiel angemessener. Peinlich ist mir das aber nicht. Mir ist -peinlicherweise- eigentlich sehr wenig peinlich :) Gruß Zappo
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"Upon a competitor or team [competing]" You can make geocaching competitive, but it is fundamentally not. Not against other people. Against yourself, maybe, if you're trying to improve something. There is no loss, there is no restriction on capability that is otherwise standard in this hobby, because this is a side-game on top of geocaching that no one is required to play, and by not playing you are not admitted loss or failure. No, it's not a "penalty", and word games won't make it so. It's telling that some people notably feel "hurt" by not being able to complete the promo period to earn all the souvenirs. Complaints about not being able to participate (as much as other people who are more fortunate) are certainly worth hearing and taking into consideration for the design of the next promo, and I hope HQ does. But buzzwords that make it sound like Groundspeak is somehow punishing geocachers are just ludicrous! Sorry, I can't see it another way. Also sorry for sorry, I'm Canadian.
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It doesn't say competition. It says "sports and games". It does say "competitor", but I read that as being used in the sense of "player" (i.e., somebody playing the game).
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Competition? No.
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Idunno, according to OED one of the definitions of "penalty" is: "In various sports and games: a disadvantage imposed upon a competitor or team in accordance with the rules of a particular game." Sounds like a penalty to me.
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Oh, well in that case, your childish response is absolutely justified.
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? HUHHHH ? Travelers Meet and Greet Events
hzoi replied to humboldt flier's topic in Geocaching Topics
Yep. Not much of a "get together" if the attendees have already got together. (Or if they don't show up.) -
A few people have mentioned putting a padlock on. I would have thought that that would encourage the cache to be stolen and/or damaged. A curious passerby is more likely to leave it be if they open it and see nothing of any value, rather than think it may contain something worth stealing or reporting.
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How is that a penalty? You don't have to find every geocache earn every souvenir. It feels unfair, and it's unfortunate, but it's certainly not a penalty. It's not a penalty. You're not losing anything. But you may be losing out on getting something you don't have to have. So you have a choice to let that bother you or not (or to what extent it bothers you). It is quite unfortunate that not every person on the planet can participate equally in every single souvenir promotion (I'm not exaggerating - in an ideal world that would be possible, but the nature of geocaching does not make that possible). Every souvenir favours someone more than someone else.
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Maybe I should check the 'cheap shop' next time I am in it. You never know; maybe they might have something suitable in. I bought cheap stainless steel cake and baking dishes from them. Good quality too; not thin rubbish.
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Mystery at the Museum problems
thebruce0 replied to darrylthomas00's topic in Geocaching® Android App
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$20 My guess is the OP wants to use glass because the jar is free. PS Kudos for spending some money on your containers.
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Several good suggestions and insights. Haven't seen mention of good camouflage. I mean more than a handful of leaves, here. Get a tube of good construction adhesive and go to town! In addition to camouflage & tether, I explicitly ask that no photos of host (and sometimes location) be posted.
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Good logs and Favorite points are beneficial to both COs and other seekers, but I daresay Favorites mean more to other seekers than to the CO.
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