Genesis Crashes.

[+ClayJar]

I was watching NASA-TV, and the coordinates of the Genesis probe impact are:

 

40° 07' 40" by 113° 30' 29"

(They estimate it hit at over 100 mph.)

 

Quite a bummer for NASA, to lose another. I hope enough survived to make it not a total scientific loss.

[+Stunod]

I was just reading about how the helicopters were supposed to snag the chutes so it wouldn't hit the ground at even 9 MPH. Some more bad news for NASA

[+carleenp]

Oh dang. I meant to follow that this morning and had not heard the news. Hopefully they can salvage something from it.

[WH]

Not to sound like a party pooper, but should this discussion be held in the Off Topic forum?

[+GOT GPS?]

Not to sound like a party pooper, but should this discussion be held in the Off Topic forum?

At least ClayJar posted the coords, so I say NO to that, it belongs.

 

I noticed in a helicopter, the pilot pressing buttons like crazy on a Garmin GPS, mounted to the top of the dashboard of the copter, I thought that was interesting.

 

Edited in:

Looked like the Black Hawk Helicopter was FTF to that crashed cache.

It looked real bad, from a closeup view. So broken up that the Solar Particle science experiment may have been a complete loss.

Edited September 8, 2004 by GOT GPS?

[+GOT GPS?]

How long had that space craft been out there collecting particles from the solar wind?

[+Robespierre]

Is that 40N and 113W???

[+Mopar]

Nearest cache is almost 20 miles away, and that's never actually even been found. Pretty remote area!

[+Markwell]

Trying desparately to keep it Geocaching related

I can see the virtual cache submissions hitting the fan:

 

======================

Crash Site

by NASA

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

or convert to NAD27 at Jeeep.com

 

Difficulty: Terrain:

 

This virtual will take you to the location where some solar radiated atoms hit the ground on September 8, 2004.  To log the find, collect some of the atoms and bring them to NASA.

 

Edited September 8, 2004 by Markwell

[+Cherokeecacher]

Trying desparately to keep it Geocaching related

I can see the virtual cache submissions hitting the fan:

 

======================

Crash Site

by NASA

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

or convert to NAD27 at Jeeep.com

 

Difficulty: Terrain:

 

This virtual will take you to the location where some solar radiated atoms hit the ground on September 8, 2004.  To log the find, collect some of the atoms and bring them to NASA.

 

ROFLMAO

 

I think it would have the "wow" that they are looking for. We would make the trip to check it out.

[+wimseyguy]

Well if that doesn't pass the WOW! factor criteria test then nothing will!

I also found it interesting that the helicopter pilots were Hollywood stunt pilots, not military top guns! NASA thought that they already had the needed experience in this type of flight pattern. They had worked on XXX, and Dante's Peak with the sky surfers, and most recently Batman 4.

Edited September 8, 2004 by wimseyguy

[+Stunod]

Trying desparately to keep it Geocaching related

I can see the virtual cache submissions hitting the fan:

 

======================

Crash Site

by NASA

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

or convert to NAD27 at Jeeep.com

 

Difficulty: Terrain:

 

This virtual will take you to the location where some solar radiated atoms hit the ground on September 8, 2004.  To log the find, collect some of the atoms and bring them to NASA.

 

September 8 by SpaceChaser

Yeah! FTF! I had my buddy in the helicopter snap a picture for proof of visit, since I couldn't get at any of the solar atoms. Thanks for bringing me to the neat location.

 

[+Mopar]

Trying desparately to keep it Geocaching related

I can see the virtual cache submissions hitting the fan:

 

======================

Crash Site

by NASA

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

or convert to NAD27 at Jeeep.com

 

Difficulty: Terrain:

 

This virtual will take you to the location where some solar radiated atoms hit the ground on September 8, 2004.  To log the find, collect some of the atoms and bring them to NASA.

 

Well, since those coords are square in the middle of Dugway Proving Grounds, the terrain needs to be 5 stars for special equipment (biochemical weapons suit and bulletproof vest) required.

[+Markwell]

I suppose it might be hard to find a local maintainer. I would think the Deseret Test Center doesn't gather too many squatters.

 

EDIT:

Interesting Mopar - the Streets and Trips maps show Dugway to the east and that this is Deseret Testing Center.

 

But that's why I listed the difficulty as 5.5 stars...

I'll give you the extra stars for terrain, but the forum board said I max'ed out on my images for that post.

Edited September 8, 2004 by Markwell

[+Halden]

I thought caches weren't supposed to be buried?

[+CO Admin]

I thought caches weren't supposed to be buried?

I think the rule is any pointy object used to bury it. I think Impacted would sneak by.

[thorin]

How long had that space craft been out there collecting particles from the solar wind?

The collection leg of the flight lasted 884 days.

 

Thorin

[+Allen_L]

Besides the "Don't bury" rule applies to physical caches placed by a geocacher, this is to be virtual where the object was partially buried by someone else. This should be ok, I have seen other virtuals which were partially buried by someone else.

[Huaso]

I've cached in the area near the impact site. It is remote, but not too bad, even in a car - as long as you stay on the gravel roads. Four wheel drive, or at least high clearance, is essential if you venture very far from the maintained road.

 

Another great vantage point to observe the landing would have been the second closest cache, Black Rock Station. It has an elevated and unobstructed view of the area across an expansive mud flat.

 

For those thinking an expedition out there is in order, be aware the "landing" occurred well within the restricted borders of the Dugway Proving Grounds. There is likely unexploded ordnance in the area and armed patrols. I found bomb shrapnel off the range while seeking the N40W113 confluence cache.

 

The closest anyone could likely get in a car is about 12 miles west of the impact site. The road, which follows the original Pony Express route, is graded, but rough and passes through the tiny community of Callao and crosses over to Gold Hill, a ghost town.

 

The Pony Express caches in the area are fun to do and would be worth the excursion. As fall approaches, the temperatures out there will be quite pleasant. There are often antelope and wild horses to be seen. Just make sure you are prepared to travel in a remote desert area!

Edited September 8, 2004 by Huaso

[+Renegade Knight]

...

I think the rule is any pointy object used to bury it. I think Impacted would sneak by.

That's just the kind of thing I'd pick up on.

 

And I do think the 5.5 stars is accurate. Special equipment plus people would be activingly trying to hinder your progress if not downright trying to kill you.

 

That deserves some extra starage.

[+cachew nut]

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

 

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.483

UTM: 12T E 286301 N 4444955

[+Mopar]

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

 

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.483

UTM: 12T E 286301 N 4444955

Does that mean I had it right, and Markwell was wrong?!?

[+cachew nut]

Mapsend shows it in the southern Great Salt Lake Desert, about .38 miles north of a major unnamed road.

[+cachew nut]

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

 

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.483

UTM: 12T E 286301 N 4444955

Does that mean I had it right, and Markwell was wrong?!?

Since I don't know which coordinates you were using, I don't know. Yahoo's news story reports that it was at the Dugway Proving Ground

Edited September 8, 2004 by cachew nut

[+mtn-man]

MSN has 2 videos of the crash.

The second one down looks like NASA telemetry:

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5942268/

[+cachew nut]

On Ebay:

 

Solar Wind Atoms from Utah - Genesis Mission

 

Have your very own bottle of solar wind atoms. The stunt helicopter pilots couldn't catch them but we did. Once they crashed, they ended up in the jetstream and and we found them. The winning bidders will get their very own bottle of solar wind atoms. The atoms will be sent in a cushioned container so they will be intact when they arrive at your house.

 

Happy Bidding.

[Huaso]

Mapsend shows it in the southern Great Salt Lake Desert, about .38 miles north of a major unnamed road.

I believe the "major unnamed road" was originally a portion of the old Lincoln Highway. This section was later routed northward due to certain political issues and to avoid the desert as much as possible. This portion is now off-limits to civilians on the Dugway Range. The difficulty star count is still too low!

Edited September 8, 2004 by Huaso

[Pantalaimon]

I thought caches weren't supposed to be buried?

I think the rule is any pointy object used to bury it. I think Impacted would sneak by.

So... as long as I "bury" my cache by slamming it against the ground repeatedly, or by dropping it from a huge height it will be approved?

 

Got it.

 

Time to hide my next cache!

[kayaker22589]

Its approximatley 158km west from Salt Lake City.

[ju66l3r]

Best lines from the live webcast:

 

Observer: "Impact."

Mission Control: "Do you have an altitude?"

Observer: "Impact. Ground-level."

 

[+dino_hunters]

The Cache has ben approved!!!

GCKGFN

 

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...&log=y&decrypt=

[+Markwell]

...and I get no credit?!?

 

Edited September 9, 2004 by Markwell

[+dino_hunters]

look again

[+LordSaw]

But why couldn’t we just slap a Geocaching.com Stencil and call it a Traditional. Gotto be some interesting swag that’s broken loose inside that. ‘Course tradin’ up’s gonna be a real problem.

Cache Well

[+Beta Test]

Trying desparately to keep it Geocaching related

I can see the virtual cache submissions hitting the fan:

 

======================

Crash Site

by NASA

N 40° 07.667 W 113° 30.967

UTM: 12T E 285614 N 4444974

or convert to NAD27 at Jeeep.com

 

Difficulty: Terrain:

 

This virtual will take you to the location where some solar radiated atoms hit the ground on September 8, 2004.  To log the find, collect some of the atoms and bring them to NASA.

 

ROFLMAO

 

I think it would have the "wow" that they are looking for. We would make the trip to check it out.

The wow factor would be how your skin glows after you collect the particles.

[+Alan2]

Garmin Topo calls the area the Newfoundland Evaporation Basin. It's about 6-8 miles wide with an elevation that varies only a few feet - 4236 to 4256: west to east.

 

So if you're looking for the atoms, they'll be rolling downhill to the west! Slowly!

[Prof. Y. Lupardi]

Genesis meets his Nemesis?

 

Exp:

(Nemesis: greek goddes of (justified?) revenge, daughter of Okeanus (or maybe Zeus) and Nyx (nightgoddess) . She is very good at punishing for hybris.

[+Ms_Behaving]

On Ebay:

 

Solar Wind Atoms from Utah - Genesis Mission

 

Have your very own bottle of solar wind atoms.  The stunt helicopter pilots couldn't catch them but we did.  Once they crashed, they ended up in the jetstream and and we found them.  The winning bidders will get their very own bottle of solar wind atoms. The atoms will be sent in a cushioned container so they will be intact when they arrive at your house.

 

Happy Bidding.

Questions from other buyers

 

 

Q: Hey what color are they? Just wanted to know what type of bottle they are in too before I bid. You should have used the BUY NOW feature so those won't...more answered on: Sep-09-04

A: well to the human eye, they are invisible, but upon closer inspection they look to be tie-died. They will come shipped in a sealed mason jar.

 

Ask seller a question

 

[Captain Chaoss]

CAche already archived, darn it.

[+hydee]

CAche already archived, darn it.

The cache was archived because some community members instead of seeing humor in the listing chose to chastise reviewers for inconsistency.

[+LordSaw]

CAche already archived, darn it. 

 

I believe that it was archieved, as it should be, because it was muggled. The NASA muggles took it. Now, given that this is started as a geek hobby, were any of the NASA Engineers on the recovery team Cachers?

 

Cache Well

 

Edit: Read this with a grin. If you can't see the humor in this, sorry.

 

Again Cache Well

Edited September 10, 2004 by LordSaw

[+strikeforce1]

Good news, I just recovered the 30 cal. can from the crash site. Seems the chopper pilot was "only" after the "black box" not the green one. I'll be posting my log soon. BTW: I also recovered many missing tb's, too. Now to go log them, as grabbed, after three long years away from home as MIA ! SF1

Edited September 10, 2004 by strikeforce1

[+officepuke]

Friend of mine was in the security Blackhawk that was following the Hook helos, he took lots of photos, let me see if I can dig them up.

 

Vertigo flight waiting for mission go time

 

Media seting up

 

The NASA briefing area

 

In formation with Vertigo flight

 

 

Vertigo and South Coast

 

 

Vertigo flight from Oscars chickenpit

[+officepuke]

Vertigo, South Coast, and Chase looking from Oscar

 

 

In holding waiting for Genesis

 

Still holding and waiting for a good track

 

 

Vertigo flight in-route to crash

 

 

Vertigo flight at the crash

 

 

Genesis right after impact

 

 

Genesis crash

 

First inspection of Genesis

 

Genesis payload samples ready for airlift by Oscar

 

 

Genesis on the way to the clean room after airlift

Edited September 10, 2004 by officepuke

[+officepuke]

Oscar mission complete

[+Markwell]

Now THOSE are awesome

[+sept1c_tank]

Yes, very cool.

[+Stunod]

Thanks Officepuke...very cool pictures.

[+mtn-man]

Awesome, and thanks.

[Shoobie & the Sand Crabs]

That really is a lot of money that's gone now too bad for nasa