Gifting coins

[Highland Geofairy]

I received some lovely birthday gifts today. One was an article of clothing, not my style, not my colour and definitely not my size, so it will be returned to the store for a credit with which I will choose something that I do like, however I would not dream of telling the person who gave it to me, I shall thank them very much for their kind gift.

 

This led me to thinking about a recent thread that was closed, someone had gifted a coin, but the gift giver made it known that their wish was that the coin was never to be sold. Seems a recipient decided to sell it anyway and this caused the giver hurt feelings, I believe they asked for a list of coins that were being sold and their coin did not appear on the list sent to them. Probably to spare any hurt feelings, but the giver found out that others got a different list with their coin on it and so were understandably upset and felt that the recipient of their gift was being less than honest, which was probably not their intent, but the result is that someone has been very hurt by this.

 

If I was given a geocoin and the gift was 'conditional' i.e. not to be sold, I would respect that wish, but not everyone would do so, that is the reality, but my question is - is it not better to just give freely in the hope that the recipient will treasure it? It would save a great deal of angst on the part of the giver. What do you think?

[+tadpole379]

I think that once you own a coin, you are free to do what you want with it. But it is not always so simple, and feelings can and do get hurt.

 

I have a good sized collection of a few hundred coins, and since I started collecting, I have been keeping track of how I acquired each coin. Was it a purchase from ebay or a vendor, was it a gift, a trade? So I know exactly which coins I have that were gifted to me. I do not think that the majority of people are quite so organized.

 

To date, I have never sold any coin other than my own personal coin. But if I had to sell coins, I would probably sell coins that I purchased before coins that were gifts.

 

I have been asked by friends who needed money if it was ok for them to sell an extra they had of my personal coin. Some of these coins were purchased or traded with me and some were gifts from me. I never put any kind of stipulation that I didn't want my coins resold, but it was a courtesy to be asked, and it was appreciated.

 

I know that "what if" emergency situation is always brought up. If it really comes down to it, then family and health are more important than coins and hurting someones feelings.

 

I also think that whenever possible, if there is a doubt about selling the coin, or if you know people will question your intentions when selling a particular coin, it is easy to trade it for something else that will sell.

[+GEO*Trailblazer 1]

If I was gifted a coin I keep it a gift is a gift.

WIKI GIFT:

 

I Treasure gifts from others and will never part with them,not even an emergency.

 

But to each their own.

If you can sell,trade or get rid of a gift without feeling somewhat guilty then it was not really a gift.

 

My .02

[+TeamEccs21]

I think a gift should be just that...a gift. Once you start putting restrictions on it, it's not a gift anymore.

 

Once something is gifted to me I would think it was mine to do with as I please.

[+dardevle]

Well....I believe that if a coin is "gifted" to a person that it should be kept. Who-ever the gifter is/was went through the trouble of getting the coin to you it should be something you keep. For example: And this has not happened yet but a guy can wish, I have a Quadcacher coin for "My Hearts desire" coin. If by some chance I ever recieve that coin, I would NEVER get rid of it to try and get money or trade for another coin. Why???? It just does not make any sence. I am probably not making any sence but I tried!

 

So I guess my answer is, a gift is gift and should not be given away once you recieve it!! Maybe that just goes for coins for me. Unless you get diapers or clothing and your daughter does NOT fit in them any more and you return them for money to buy Geocoins or Ice fishing gear.

Edited April 23, 2008 by dardevle

[+Rockin Roddy]

Coins given as gifts are my most treasured (which includes EVERY mystery coin I own), I'd not part with them (knowingly...I'm just not as coordinated or organized as most) for ANY reason whether it was a stipulation for the coin or not!

 

I think it comes down to honoring the wishes of the person who gifted the coin. This person was kind enough to think of me, I'd never want to forget that, so I'd never want to get rid of any of those gifts!

 

This goes with trades too, sometimes! I have a few coins which not a lot of people have, and which came with stipulations. Those coins wouldn't go anywhere for any reason regardless of the trade agreement (which I tend to believe should ALWAYS be honored). I have two right in front of me...a Jeep'n Jumpers (well, two actually) and a Moun10Bike v3. Neither of these will likely ever leave my collection!

[+MustangJoni]

When I give a gift coin, it is just that - a gift. Usually those are given to people that I feel a bond with.

 

If I see later down the road that they sold the gift I gave them, then they fall off my gift list. I will still trade with them, and they are still my friends, but when I gift a coin it is a token of friendship.

Edited April 23, 2008 by MustangJoni

[+dardevle]

When I give a gift coin, it is just that - a gift. Usually those are given to people that I feel a bond with.

 

If I see later down the road that they sold the gift I gave them, then they fall off my gift list. I will still trade with them, and they are still my friends, but when I gift a coin it is a token of friendship.

 

Now that makes alot of sense! I like that! Nicely said!

[danoshimano]

my question is - is it not better to just give freely in the hope that the recipient will treasure it?

Yes!

[+AtlantaGal]

Typically if I no longer want a gifted coin, I will trade it for other coins I do want or can freely sell. There have been exceptions where the gift giver has said I could sell the gifted coin, and I have done so. I do usually try to respect the wishes of the gift giver though.

[+ArtieD]

It's nice to think and hope that the recipient will keep the coin you give them forever and ever, but things can and do happen. In the end, the coin is theirs and they have every right to do with it as they please.

 

I do not believe in restrictions on coins because I cannot fathom how someone can control something they physically do not own. If someone doesn't want their coin sold, they should not give any out.

 

I know many view it as a respect issue and I can agree with that sentiment to a point. I do agree that it is very tacky to be gifted a coin and then sell it...that is low. if someone gives you a gift and you just make a profit, that is bad.

 

However, if there is a need for money, then the coin giver should realize that and be a little understanding and bending. Sure, you can always "trade for coins that can be sold" but that can take quite a bit of time and if someone needs funds in a more expedient manner then I think they should be able to do with their possessions as they will.

 

In the end...no matter what...I live by the simple mantra...

 

"It's only a coin."

[+GATOULIS]

Hello to all!

 

Well, I believe to that a gift is a gift!

You keep it for ever because it represents the conection and the friendship! A gift is a feeling carrier!

 

Ok, if it is a T-shirt for example and it is smaller and doesn't fit you, you can change it into a biger one! when I do that, I am trying to take the same T-shirt in other size! If I do not like it at all.... I am trying to find something close to it....

 

Anyway... in case of coins....things are not the same!

 

Even if you are in deep problem, I believe that you have to contact with the one who gave you the coin to explain him!

 

Ok, the coins from cointest...is a won ones, so itis something different, even if personally I have feelings for them too!

 

Well...of course that is only what I personally believe, ok?

[+tsunrisebey]

To the OP of this thread:

 

I'm pretty sure I know what thread you are referrring to. Let's clarify your statement versus what was actually said in the OP (venter) of the other thread.

 

No where did the OP say the coins were conditional as in do NOT sell. I have it on pretty good authority that person only asks that their nontrackables not be sold as a common courtesy. The OP did say that and has said in other threads that they would like a 'shot at' getting back the AE versions IF a person decided they no longer wanted them. There were no conditions put on those coins, as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure (but it's probably been forgotten) that those who got blemished turtles were asked to be honest about it when selling them as not to deceive people.

 

I'm 100% positive that the OP of the vent wasn't so much upset about the selling of the coins as much by the fact that they didn't receive a full list like everyone else. Again there is an assumption being made in your original post about the motive of the seller not wanting to hurt the giver. Did you speak to either one of them? I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, because I like you But if someone is going to spin a thread off of another one, then there needs to be factual information from the start, not assumptions. So since you stated all the information in your original post, I addressed those issues and tried not to veer OT.

 

A person gives a gift, then the other person is free to do what they choose with it. If the coin came with conditions, then honor them. Common courtesy might include asking the giver if it was ok to sell the coins or make other arrangements. Be HONEST, not misleading or dishonest. People respect that.

 

People who abuse the gift giving/or conditional gifts/trades, eventually wreck it for everyone. Look at the GCF, she (since there is a girl fairy on the coin) stopped giving because people abused the graciousness and there are other examples too. Thing is how hard is it to just be honest and contact the giver or whomever and ask about selling it or trade the coin(s) for something to sell. I've seen it done respectfully here before.

 

PS: A&T, just because I've posted in this thread doesn't mean you can now email me another nasty letter and berate me behind closed doors. I'm publicly asking you to never email me again or I'll report you to GS. I'm allowed my thoughts and opinions just like any other poster here without the threat of your uncalled for emails regarding my any of my posts here on GS.

[+ArtieD]

Thing is how hard is it to just be honest and contact the giver or whomever and ask about selling it or trade the coin(s) for something to sell. I've seen it done respectfully here before.

 

If you truly need the money, why should you have to? The giver should respect that fact and not raise a stink.

Edited April 23, 2008 by Arthur & Trillian

[Theotokos]

 

A person gives a gift, then the other person is free to do what they choose with it. If the coin came with conditions, then honor them. Common courtesy might include asking the giver if it was ok to sell the coins or make other arrangements. Be HONEST, not misleading or dishonest. People respect that.

 

 

I agree with this 110% - It's all about common courtesy and honesty. I've argued in past threads that a gift coin given to me, belongs to me. However, that does not mean that I would not respect the 'intent' of the gift. Of course if I did accept a gift coin that had conditions (I wouldn't really call it a gift though but that's semantics) then I feel I am bound to live up to those conditions. So, if I were thinking of selling one of these coins I would let the "gifter" know about it first and why I feel the need to sell it - only because I think it's just common courtesy. There is nothing wrong with being courteous and honest and it doesn't hurt---really it doesn't.

 

I think that in the case that spawned this thread, it really didn't have to do with the selling of the coins but the fact that there was an attempt to deceive.

[+Droo]

Thing is how hard is it to just be honest and contact the giver or whomever and ask about selling it or trade the coin(s) for something to sell. I've seen it done respectfully here before.

 

If you truly need the money, why should you have to? The giver should respect that fact and not raise a stink.

 

I have to disagree. We're all coinaholics here. We love coins. We spend a fortune on them, collect them trade them... practically worship them. If someone comes up with a really cool coin and it's gifted that is an honour for the giftee and if the giftee can't handle the honour they lose their honoured place on the list as MJ said so simply.

 

Financial hardship is not excuse to dishonour a gift for $20. Sell some books, some CDs, some DVDs, maybe even a video game. Have a garage sale! Why would you have to sell a gift? It's not that dumb sweater Aunt Thelma bought for you last Xmas... it's a geocoin that someone went to a lot of trouble and expense to create and thought you should like to receive one. Selling that for $20 lacks all integrity.

 

As for Tsun's clarification... yes, honesty is the best policy. If you have to slam the gesture of friendship by selling the gifted coin have the backbone to give your friend the option/opportunity of getting it back.

[+ArtieD]

Financial hardship is not excuse to dishonour a gift for $20. Sell some books, some CDs, some DVDs, maybe even a video game. Have a garage sale! Why would you have to sell a gift? It's not that dumb sweater Aunt Thelma bought for you last Xmas... it's a geocoin that someone went to a lot of trouble and expense to create and thought you should like to receive one. Selling that for $20 lacks all integrity.

 

So one should let geocoins hold a higher place than taking care of emergency bills or feeding your family? If you honestly think that geocoins are above sale status, regardless of reason, then you (general you) have a skewed sense of perspective and priority.

 

Your analogy is flawed...that sweater someone gave you is no different than that silly hunk of metal. No different. Look at it this way...say Aunt Thelma made that sweater for you...and say you never really liked it so you sell it. Is it still a different scenario? After all, she went through the trouble and expense of making that sweater for you.

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I try not to post opinions with my moderator account, but this one hits home.

 

I'm going to use the Volunteer coins as an example. I send these out as "gifts" or a way to say "thank you" for something that the recipient has done for me or more likely the coin forums/community in general. I would hate to see these being sold for profit.

 

I realize that there are things out of my control. Once the coin is in the recipient's hand, I can't physically control what they do. I can hope they honor the intent that the coin was given, I can contact eBay and try to close the auction since I keep ownership of the coin (according to this site anyway), and I can cross that person off my list of future gifts if they choose to profit from the gift.

 

In the end, I won't lose sleep over what happens, but I will take notice.

[Theotokos]

Financial hardship is not excuse to dishonour a gift for $20. Sell some books, some CDs, some DVDs, maybe even a video game. Have a garage sale! Why would you have to sell a gift? It's not that dumb sweater Aunt Thelma bought for you last Xmas... it's a geocoin that someone went to a lot of trouble and expense to create and thought you should like to receive one. Selling that for $20 lacks all integrity.

 

So one should let geocoins hold a higher place than taking care of emergency bills or feeding your family? If you honestly think that geocoins are above sale status, regardless of reason, then you (general you) have a skewed sense of perspective and priority.

 

Your analogy is flawed...that sweater someone gave you is no different than that silly hunk of metal. No different. Look at it this way...say Aunt Thelma made that sweater for you...and say you never really liked it so you sell it. Is it still a different scenario? After all, she went through the trouble and expense of making that sweater for you.

 

I think you're missing the point A&T...and I'm pretty sure anyone that gifted a coin would be okay with the sale in an emergency situation. But it's still only common courtesy to let the 'gifter' know why you are doing it so that these situation don't happen.

 

In the case of your Aunt Thelma...apples to oranges...if you had to sell the sweater in the case of an emergency you should still tell her (and hey, maybe she would help out with more too) If you don't tell her you're going to have to lie to her ever time she wants to see you in it...there's that darn deception thing again rearing it's ugly head.

[+ArtieD]

I think you're missing the point A&T...and I'm pretty sure anyone that gifted a coin would be okay with the sale in an emergency situation. But it's still only common courtesy to let the 'gifter' know why you are doing it so that these situation don't happen.

 

I think I may be. I think what I am trying to get at is that it would be poor form to have the gifter act as if there would be no situation worthy of the coin's sale.

 

In the case of your Aunt Thelma...apples to oranges...if you had to sell the sweater in the case of an emergency you should still tell her (and hey, maybe she would help out with more too) If you don't tell her you're going to have to lie to her ever time she wants to see you in it...there's that darn deception thing again rearing it's ugly head.

 

True...goodness knows I am guilty of the "Aunt Thelma" problem...

[Theotokos]

True...goodness knows I am guilty of the "Aunt Thelma" problem...

 

Me too... There is nothing worse than your Mom finding out that you sold her hand made sweater at a garage sale for $2. Never again... She may have even helped me sell it if I told her up front but boy, her finding out later was a bit heartbreaking. I learned my lesson and I liken this scenario to geocoin gifts as well.

[+Landsharkz]

We have never sold or given away a coin that we got in trade or as a gift - they sit on our desks or go in a container to be admired again and again so really this is not our forte at all but what the heck .

 

I'll pose what is possibly a silly question...take it lightly folks, please .

 

I'm curious if I should be going through our collection and setting aside the ones that we didn't buy and make a note in my will that they're to be thrown out when we die or something. Do I need to put a note with my will that certain coins can't be sold and aren't part of my estate? My kids and family have no idea which coins came from who and frankly they don't care. If we're out sailing this weekend and end up on the bottom of the ocean and then our family decide to sell the whole bucket lock stock and barrel... then what?

 

We have a wonderful collection but it's only wonderful to us... then what?

[nebukatneza]

personally i'm very proud when someone donates me a coin.

i think it's a wonderful symbol of friendship, good email contact etc etc

i never would try to sell a gift! that's my opinion. i'm proud and very glad

if someone likes me and shows this with a gift.

 

i can't understand that someone tries to sell a gift from me, but i can only hope

that this will not happen. everybody should do with gifts what he/she wants,

i for my part would be too happy to give it away one day.

 

sorry 4 my english, i hope it's understandable...

[Theotokos]

We have never sold or given away a coin that we got in trade or as a gift - they sit on our desks or go in a container to be admired again and again so really this is not our forte at all but what the heck .

 

I'll pose what is possibly a silly question...take it lightly folks, please .

 

I'm curious if I should be going through our collection and setting aside the ones that we didn't buy and make a note in my will that they're to be thrown out when we die or something. Do I need to put a note with my will that certain coins can't be sold and aren't part of my estate? My kids and family have no idea which coins came from who and frankly they don't care. If we're out sailing this weekend and end up on the bottom of the ocean and then our family decide to sell the whole bucket lock stock and barrel... then what?

 

We have a wonderful collection but it's only wonderful to us... then what?

 

I think there are always going to be circumstances and exceptions that don't fit into the 'mold' just right and could in themselves be a whole other topic. I myself though, still believe that the coins are yours. If something happens to you (God forbid) your children could do as they like with the coins - just as I think you could too. However, since you had some sort of connection with the people giving you the gifts, I would expect that you would give them the same consideration in return should you wish to sell the coins.

 

Your kids however, don't know about those things so how could they be aware of anyones wishes? The unfortunate part is that when people see a GCF show up on ebay they may wrongly berate your kids which is unfair. Generally, that is why I don't agree with conditions on coins. Of course being that this community is a 'family' of sorts, I'm sure everyone would rally to their aid anyway in such a situation.

 

I know there are a lot of holes in what I said but I think it can all come down to some common sense and what Tsun said - courtesy and honesty.

Edited April 23, 2008 by Theotokos

[+fairyhoney]

"As for Tsun's clarification... yes, honesty is the best policy. If you have to slam the gesture of friendship by selling the gifted coin have the backbone to give your friend the option/opportunity of getting it back."

 

YES, Honesty should Always be the best policy

[+ThirstyMick]

I just don't know where to begin with this one...

 

It's true that no one has to honor an agreement not to sell, but its just insulting to not be upfront and honest about it.

 

Returning an unwanted sweater to a store is very different from auctioning it off to the highest bidder. Especially when you know the highest bid is going to be high.. Saying you're "getting rid of extras" and selling a gift like that just says to me that you saw a quick easy way to make a nice profit off of a friends generousity. and then hiding it? thats just hurtful.

 

I'm not saying it's wrong to sell a coin to feed your family, but if you need to feed your family, maybe mention that? "Getting rid of extras" does not imply "I need some money fast to pay hospital bills"

When the situation is explained, I don't think anyone in here feels insulted or mad. In fact, many of the wonderful people here time and time again decide to give coins to auction off for coiners in need.

Edited April 23, 2008 by ThirstyMick

[+Pabloturtle]

Generally I don’t bother to stick my head out the shell to post much on the forum. But seeing as how I’ve been fortunate enough to receive a few coin gifts I’ll throw my two cents into the arena.

The thought of selling a coin I’ve been gifted with is, I believe, disrespectful of the intent in which it was given. If and went the time comes that coins must leave they will be given away with the same intent as when they were given to me.

Now with that being said, I find it unfortunate one must put conditions on such gifts. Yet I completely understand why, in most cases. Why should anyone profit from someone else’s kindness, generosity and act of friendship. To do so is disrespectful, dishonest, and simply repulsive to me. I realize circumstances are always different, but from what I’ve read in the past months most people are more than willing to abolish or lift those conditions if necessary.

Have we really lost sight of the fact a gift is far more than just an object?

Never mind-I’ll get off the soap box now.

[+fox-and-the-hound]

Simply put, a gift isn't a gift if it's conditional. If it has conditions, it's a loan.

[+ArtieD]

Simply put, a gift isn't a gift if it's conditional. If it has conditions, it's a loan.

 

QFT

[+chancerider]

 

A person gives a gift, then the other person is free to do what they choose with it. If the coin came with conditions, then honor them. Common courtesy might include asking the giver if it was ok to sell the coins or make other arrangements. Be HONEST, not misleading or dishonest. People respect that.

 

 

I agree with this 110% - It's all about common courtesy and honesty. I've argued in past threads that a gift coin given to me, belongs to me. However, that does not mean that I would not respect the 'intent' of the gift. Of course if I did accept a gift coin that had conditions (I wouldn't really call it a gift though but that's semantics) then I feel I am bound to live up to those conditions. So, if I were thinking of selling one of these coins I would let the "gifter" know about it first and why I feel the need to sell it - only because I think it's just common courtesy. There is nothing wrong with being courteous and honest and it doesn't hurt---really it doesn't.

 

 

I agree... it IS all about common courtesy and honesty, which sadly seems to be in short supply at times. As an example... I had been offered a trade by someone for a coin I had really wanted. It was a flawed coin, but none-the-less I wanted it and was eager to trade. In short order the person realized they could get a better "deal" than what was offered to me and they backed out of the trade. Is it a lack of ethics... is it greed... selfishness... I don't know. "Trust your friends, but brand your cattle".

 

But, back to the original question. A gift with conditions, to me, seems more of a loan. However, I DO respect the requests of the person kindly gifting a coin to me because I accepted the coin with the "stipulations".

[+GEO*Trailblazer 1]

I guess we are going to have to signing prenuptual geocoin agreements.

 

Or make it known if not already that if I trade you a coin and I have said I would like the first chance to get it back and it is known before the trade you are treading on thin ice.

 

But if you gift a geocoin and there is no stipulation on it and you change your mind later that is not fair to the tradee either.

 

So it is basically respecting the other person in both ways.

If there is respect for each other these little hissy fits or what ever they are would not occur or exist.

[+larry739]

I did not read every word of every posting on this thread but I do not recall seeing anyone suggest that the coin be activated and dropped in a cache. Or is it just about the money?

[+dark_onyx1982]

I think once you release a coin, its gone........weather you activate it an place it into a cache, or gift it to another person you no longer have control over where it ends up. You can only hope the person who ends up with the coin(s) do what they are supposed to do with it. Not everyone handles things clean, honestly, and respectfully.........sadly that is life. I personally have not sold any coins. Coins i receive and do not want, I offer as trades. If for some reason an big emergency came up and (if) i ever decide to stop collecting coins, i would sell my coins, but I would not be dishonest about what coins I am selling and alter info for different people. That just looks shady, which is what i think the big fuss was about. To each there own, at the end of the day they are just a {pretty} piece of metal.

[+Cheesy pigs]

I agree with the Pasta Deity and AtlantaGal.

 

And if you need money, trade the coin that was gifted for another coin you can sell. It's easy enough to do.

 

But if in doubt, email the person who sent you the gift and explain the situation. They may even want the coin back, and will buy it or trade for it.

 

PS Even though my Highland Geofairy coin was a trade, I'm gonna keep it like it was a gift

[+joranda]

If I was gifted a coin I keep it a gift is a gift.

WIKI GIFT:

 

I Treasure gifts from others and will never part with them,not even an emergency.

 

But to each their own.

If you can sell,trade or get rid of a gift without feeling somewhat guilty then it was not really a gift.

 

My .02

 

 

I wanted to reply but I can't say it any better than you did.

A gift is a special thing that should be treasured and not sold.

[+joranda]

When I give a gift coin, it is just that - a gift. Usually those are given to people that I feel a bond with.

 

If I see later down the road that they sold the gift I gave them, then they fall off my gift list. I will still trade with them, and they are still my friends, but when I gift a coin it is a token of friendship.

 

You said that well. Why burn your bridge with someone who was doing something nice for you. Why slap them in the face buy selling it just to make a buck.

[+joranda]

Thing is how hard is it to just be honest and contact the giver or whomever and ask about selling it or trade the coin(s) for something to sell. I've seen it done respectfully here before.

 

If you truly need the money, why should you have to? The giver should respect that fact and not raise a stink.

 

Because it is call common courtesy. Some of was rasied that way I guess.

[+ArtieD]

Thing is how hard is it to just be honest and contact the giver or whomever and ask about selling it or trade the coin(s) for something to sell. I've seen it done respectfully here before.

 

If you truly need the money, why should you have to? The giver should respect that fact and not raise a stink.

 

Because it is call common courtesy. Some of was rasied that way I guess.

 

So was I...I just think this issue isn't nearly as big as it is made out to be.

[+joranda]

As I have said in other threads about this. If you are silly enough to sell a coin that some felt that they wanted to give you a gift so that you could make a quick buck. Then you are just tell everyone that you don't need gifts anymore.

[+ArtieD]

As I have said in other threads about this. If you are silly enough to sell a coin that some felt that they wanted to give you a gift so that you could make a quick buck. Then you are just tell everyone that you don't need gifts anymore.

 

It's all an academic discussion for me...I have gotten a lot of way cool coins from a lot of folks and wouldn't get rid of them short of disaster.

[+Renegade Knight]

...If I was given a geocoin and the gift was 'conditional'...

 

If it's conditional it's not a gift. It's a rental contract.

[+Renegade Knight]

Simply put, a gift isn't a gift if it's conditional. If it has conditions, it's a loan.

Shoulda read this post first.

[+forthferalz]

A gift is a special thing that should be treasured and not sold.

Ha! you and my Mum - she has prawn arrangers and silver platters more vases than afuneral parlour etc....... I mean she's been getting presents for 50 years and the house is suffering from clutter bigtime. Now some of these were very valuable but I can't see her EVER parting with any of them.

 

For me though it's no great shakes with a coin I give away - they can be sold if this brings the person needed funds or just clears the clutter Grandma is likewise not fussed when the kids have finished with their toys off they go and she's THRILLED if the antique Starwars doll makesa mint on ebay ( as if ! - anyone want some Pokemon cards? Marbleboy ? ) The thought counted not the THING - we can part with them happily.

 

TRADING is a different matter

 

But then there are the genuine heirlooms - and I'll be 'giving' my jewellery and some treasured BOOKS to the kids with the OVERT stipulation that the items be treasures for the subsequent generations and if to be sold passed to their siblings for 'right of first refusal'.

 

It seems to me that these coins were in the heirloom category.

PPS the children have been warned in case of untimely demise what to do with my geocoins and they should not end up down at Saint Vincent de Pauls!

Edited April 24, 2008 by forthferalz

[+XopherN71]

I think I'd be too amazed if someone ever gave me a coin to even think of selling/trading it.

[+grodan & fiabus]

If I get gift coins I will not sell them, I won´t even trade them. I suppose the giver is giving it to me for a reason, then I shall keep it as a special gift. I have a hard time even trade away coins I get in missions, haven´t done that either. When I send missions I try to think of what the reciever will like and then send that coin so I believe others do the same for me, naiv maybe but I like to think other care as much as I do.

 

I have made trades with the intention to trade it further but ended up saving it, for now, maybe later but since it is a trade I will consider that OK.

I can have various reasons for trading for a coin. Sometimes to give them to another coiner or trade with someone I know want that coin.

 

Coins I win may not fit into my nisch, but I keep those too, just because I won them. Surely the fit in, all coin are worth collecting, but I only buy or trade for a specific type of coins.

 

So gifted coins to me will stay with me, traded for can be given as gifts or further trades, coins I get in missions will most likely stay with me.

I can´t imagine why I would ever sell them, I have other things to sell off before the coins will be sold.

 

grodan Karin.

[+Tennessee Jed]

Beside the gifted coins I don't think personal coins should be sold if it is the original owners request that they will not be, it is the owners choice to trade or not trade. If I wanted my coin to be sold I could sell them myself.

 

Before I trade I ask that they will not be sold before I make the deal. Then if they are sold it is on their conscience. If the person wants to donate it for a charity I would be all for that but just to make a profit is selfish.

Edited April 24, 2008 by Tennessee Jed

[YemonYime]

...If I was given a geocoin and the gift was 'conditional'...

 

If it's conditional it's not a gift. It's a rental contract.

 

Gifting a coin is more like a handshake and a thank you. Someone thought enough of you to give you something as a token of friendship. It's a sentiment that carries absolutely no notion of money whatsoever. So why turn that kind act into a matter of money at all?

 

If you really don't want it anymore, throw the hunk of metal in a drawer, or in the garbage, or give it to someone who does want it. It didn't cost you anything, so why make it cost someone else?

 

It's not an issue of legality...it's an issue of morality.

[+kehunt64]

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Gifting a coin is more like a handshake and a thank you. Someone thought enough of you to give you something as a token of friendship. It's a sentiment that carries absolutely no notion of money whatsoever. So why turn that kind act into a matter of money at all?

 

If you really don't want it anymore, throw the hunk of metal in a drawer, or in the garbage, or give it to someone who does want it. It didn't cost you anything, so why make it cost someone else?

 

It's not an issue of legality...it's an issue of morality.

 

For me mission coins are more like a mystery trade than a gift because you are giving coins to receive coins. For missions I try to always send coins on one's seeking list so they will want to keep them, but trading/selling them is OK in my opinion.

 

Normal trades are also OK to trade/sell in my opinion because you are giving a coin to receive a coin, unless you know going into the deal that the trader does not want their coins sold, such as the case with my kayakerinme set of 5 coins received from Barry in a trade.

 

I have only been "gifted" 2 coins but in the case of a truly gifted coin where you receive the coin without giving a coin in return I totally agree with Yemon Yime 110%.

[+ArtieD]

Gifting a coin is more like a handshake and a thank you. Someone thought enough of you to give you something as a token of friendship. It's a sentiment that carries absolutely no notion of money whatsoever. So why turn that kind act into a matter of money at all?

 

If you really don't want it anymore, throw the hunk of metal in a drawer, or in the garbage, or give it to someone who does want it. It didn't cost you anything, so why make it cost someone else?

 

It's not an issue of legality...it's an issue of morality.

 

Why can't you do what you want with a gift? A gift is a gift...yours to do with as you wish.

 

It has nothing to do with "morality" at all...once the GIFT is given, the deal's done. End of story.

 

I'm sure you've kept EVERYTHING that's been given to you, no matter how much you've hated it, right?

 

You've never sold anything of that nature, right?

 

It's just a hunk of metal...it's not a relationship, friendship or whatever. The people are what matter...not that hunk of metal. Any relationship that is damaged because of that was weak to begin with.

[+Kealia]

Gotta disagree A&T.

 

On the one hand, you ARE free to do what you want with a gift as long as you realize that there are reprecussions to your (general) actions.

 

One may be that the giver stops giving you gifts. That's what most are saying.

 

It's NOT a hunk of metal, that's the point some of us are trying to make. Look at almost any coin sale thread. The maker of the coin usually puts something personal into it - it's representative of the designer, right (whether or not it's caching related is another story). Giving that coin and receiving that coin is a symbol of the friendship.

 

You boiling it down to "it's just a hunk of metal" is the same as saying that a wedding ring is just a "hunk of metal", too. Both represent more than their simple materials.

 

And no, I'm not bringing a wedding ring into the discussion to elicit emotional responses. It's the same analogy you are making and I disgree with it.

 

If that's the way you want to boil it down and that's all they mean to you, so be it. Others think differently and place value on the symbol.