+OldGimmer Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 My apologies if this has been raised before, but I have done a search of the forum using words I think are relevant and not turned-up anything. My idea came from lazily browsing the general board where I found this topic :-"The 50 State Multi-cache, Cache Across America". This is a big thead, 17 web-pages, running from June 06 to today, which indicates a lot of interest. I haven't read every posting, but have read enough to get a good feel for what is happening. In summary this was a proposal to create one new cache in each state, as being part of an enormous Multi-cache. Each cache would have a unique code which, when all have been collected, is used to unlock the co-ordinates of the final "Target" cache which would possibly be located in Washington DC (which isn't classed as a state). Each log/claim would have to be verified by photo evidence of actually visiting the site. They are hoping to have some form of (sponsered?) prize for the first to find the target cache, but the main kudos was to be FTF the target itself. This is obviously a major project, locating and visiting 50 caches in 50 states is not a trivial task, the distances will be enormous. They anticipate that it could take upwards of 5 years before anyone logs a FTF, BUT they have virtually completed getting all the state caches in place, each with a customised page and a database of logs for the project (Virginia Sample Page). As of today only 3 state caches remain to be placed, and many of the placed ones have already been logged as finds. What I am proposing is to set-up a similar Multi-cache in the UK. Ideally this would involve England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (possibly Republic of Ireland as well). There are, according to a quick search, approximately 100 counties in the UK, with about another 25 in ROI. So in strict number terms the project involves something like twice as many caches (at least) as for the US version, BUT the distances are much smaller here than there. It is feasible in many parts of the country to log several counties in one day. A possible alternative would be to have regional "targets" which could be claimed by visiting all the counties in that region, with that regional target having part of the co-ordinates of the "UK target cache". A project such as this is not realistically possible for one person, it would take a dedicated group to organise it and lots of individuals to volunteer to place a cache to represent their own county. Is anyone interested? Is the project feasible? Moderators - Is it "legal" within the UK geocaching guide-lines? Where shall the final "Target cache" be located? Am I talking out of my .....? Does anyone care? Lets talk. Quote
markandlynn Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 We will place one in Shropshire (1st choice) or staffordshire if no one else bags that county. Id suggest a counties list first to see how much coverage you can get with this. Quote
+Haggis Hunter Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 I'm sure I could place a cache in Edinburgh, which depending on what county list you use would come under - 'Edinburgh City Of' or 'Lothian' I like to think of it as Lothian. Quote
+maxkim Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 There is a cache based on travel bugs in each of the countries. Its called All about the UK (GCQ68D) Part of the final co-ords is contained on each bug. Cheers MaxKim. Quote
Lactodorum Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Moderators - Is it "legal" within the UK geocaching guide-lines? Sounds like a great idea and as long as each stage has a "local" owner/maintainer then I don't see a problem. Indeed, my geocaching "friend" The Hornet has said he'd be delighted to host a Herefordshire stage Quote
Red Squadron Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 (edited) The Red Squadron will be only too pleased to assist in the placing of a cache in Norfolk and even in Suffolk if needed. Edited March 8, 2007 by Red Squadron Quote
Nediam Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Where shall the final "Target cache" be located? I'd say that placing it somewhere near the geographical centre of the UK would be appropriate Quote
+The Blorenges Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 We'll happily create a cache for Monmouthshire. MrsB Quote
+The Bolas Heathens Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 (edited) Us too - don't mind either way. Edited to add we'd happily cover Cheshire too if no-one else offers. We will place one in Shropshire (1st choice) or staffordshire if no one else bags that county. Edited March 8, 2007 by The Bolas Heathens Quote
+Sensei TSKC Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Is anyone interested? Of course we are! Is the project feasible? YES! Moderators - Is it "legal" within the UK geocaching guide-lines? Been answered in the affirmative. Where shall the final "Target cache" be located? Mystery. I would propose that a method of resolution be: All participating stages be put in a hat and there be a draw! Some would say that you should place the Target Cache. How about Centre to UK? Isle of Wight Am I talking out of my .....? No. Does anyone care? There, I've answered your questions with my opinions. How about the rest of you. What I would like to know is; Will you be insisting on a Theme throughout? Are you considering each 'stage' to be independently loggable? (I hope so) Are you going to allow multiple cachers to get together and complete parts independently if the answer above is NO? (Collaboration) When I think of more, I'll post. Oss! Quote
+CrazyL200 Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Not strictly a true county, but count me in for one on the Wirral, which could be counted as Merseyside Chesire or an area on it's own Sounds like a good idea, maybe each cache should be placed in / near the county town, or a place of well know significance in that county, therefore adding interest (with a bit of a description on the cache page) to each location. Quote
+The Other Stu Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Ooh, can I get Bedfordshire before someone bagsys? Quote
+The Cache Hoppers Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Will place one in Berkshire - great idea, go for it! If no one speaks up for Hampshire (although I am sure they will) happy to place one in the northern parts of the county as it's not too far from home. Quote
+PopUpPirate Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Lollybob can't post at work but have asked me to bag GREATER MANCHESTER please. Yayayay! Quote
+rutson Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 List started here. Used a list of counties I already had, sorry Lucilla, Monmouthshire aint on there :-( Any list of counties selected will ALWAYS produce arguments unfortunately. Quote
+Jonovich Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 I'd like the opportunity to do the Rutland cache please... J Quote
+Dobunnis Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Great idea, although we have visited most of the English counties already. Can we put ourselves down for Worcestershire please? A suggestion on the final... Could it be placed near the geographical centre of the British Isles/Ireland. Meriden is supposed to be the centre of England (although I think it is actually 10 miles northeast). Not sure where it is for the whole of British Isles/Ireland though. I think they should definitely be independently loggable and a theme of some sort would be good. One last thought: it could be difficult to come up with a puzzle/input system that ensures that all the caches need to be found. Is that to be a requirement or is the plan to allow some guesswork for caches not found? Helen Quote
Deceangi Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 List started here. Used a list of counties I already had, sorry Lucilla, Monmouthshire aint on there :-( Any list of counties selected will ALWAYS produce arguments unfortunately. You could always edit your list for Wales as there are in fact 22 counties and not 8 Here's a list if your going to do a proper UK countie challenge, you should include them all Plus I reckon Lactodorum should be bared from reviewing the Final Cache Quote
Deceangi Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 One last thought: it could be difficult to come up with a puzzle/input system that ensures that all the caches need to be found. Is that to be a requirement or is the plan to allow some guesswork for caches not found? Helen Have a search for Delorme caches, these require special permission off Groundspeak, as to obtain the coordinates for the final container, the searcher has to email a list of the dates of finding each cache. If you wish to go down this route once all the base caches are in place, I'm quite prepared to obtain permission of Groundspeak on the owners behalf. Also several Delorme Final caches involve long hikes, the owners will actually bring the container to the Trail Head for those who have completed the challenge but are physical unable to go to the final location. Something to think about Quote
+dino-irl Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Sounds like a great idea. I think it would nice to rephrase it as a British Isles Multi Cache and then inculde RoI as well as NI. However, the addition of having to cross the Irish Sea may put a lot of people off from completing this one. Which counties do you go for is another tricky one. There are 32 traditional counties in Ireland (26 in RoI and 6 in NI) but the ones in NI have been renamed/changed in recent years as Council Districts (or something similar) and there have been some new administrative counties added in RoI. I think that there have been similar changes in England/Wales/Scotland. I can provide a list of the traditional counties of both RoI and NI if you want them and I'll plump for the Co. Donegal cache if you want to include RoI Quote
+PopUpPirate Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Practically rather than politically it would be far more appealing to most if it was restricted to mainlaind imo Quote
+Alboy Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 How come Pharisee is nabbing Surrey - that's my patch! I'll put my hand up for West Sussex then. Quote
+rutson Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 How about separate boxes for England, Scotland, Wales, NI, with each of those having a code in for a final cache that may never be reached ;-) Quote
+snaik Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Following the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1994, Scotland was divided into 29 unitary authorities and 3 island authorities. Aberdeen City Aberdeenshire Angus Argyll and Bute Clackmannan Dumbarton and Clydebank Dumfries and Galloway Dundee (City of) East Ayrshire East Dunbartonshire East Lothian East Renfrewshire Edinburgh (City of) Falkirk Fife Glasgow (City of) Highland Inverclyde Midlothian Moray North Ayrshire North Lanarkshire Perthshire and Kinross Renfrewshire Scottish Borders South Ayrshire South Lanarkshire Stirling West Lothian Islands Orkney Shetland Western Isles Quote
+PopUpPirate Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 How about separate boxes for England, Scotland, Wales, NI, with each of those having a code in for a final cache that may never be reached ;-) Great idea... where would that be? British Antartic Territory? Quote
+dino-irl Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Like this you mean? The list you have there for NI is for Government Districts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Districts_of_Northern_Ireland There are actually only 6 counties in NI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Northern_Ireland Info for RoI is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_ireland Quote
Nediam Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Where shall the final "Target cache" be located? I'd say that placing it somewhere near the geographical centre of the UK would be appropriate A suggestion on the final... Could it be placed near the geographical centre of the British Isles/Ireland. Meriden is supposed to be the centre of England (although I think it is actually 10 miles northeast). Not sure where it is for the whole of British Isles/Ireland though. Helen Looks like the centre of the UK is near Dunsop Bridge in Lancashire, althought there other centres depending on what method you use to calculate it (doesn't look like it includes Northern Ireland in those calculations though ) Quote
+dino-irl Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Including Ireland may be a bit tricky for more than just physically reaching the cache. There aren't as many active cachers in Ireland as in the UK and even fewer are active on forums. In fact it's only since last year that we have a cache in each county! 5Alley proposed a similar series in Ireland a while back and it's still not complete. Looks like he's lost interest in the forum anyway. The discussion took place here: http://www.mccartan.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1032 It may be that the highest points bit put people off though. Quote
Vanya1 Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 (edited) The Dancing Samurais bagsy HERTFORDSHIRE please Edited March 8, 2007 by Vanya1 Quote
Vanya1 Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Ive just added this thread to the Welsh forum so you should start getting Wales covered. http://www.aber-cachers.co.uk/forum/about.php Im not up on other UK caching websites but if you are it would be a good idea to start threads on them. Vanya Quote
+Team Clova Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Put us down for Angus (there is no Tayside!!) Quote
+Team Clova Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Have also posted a link to this thread on the SCOTTISH FORUM Quote
+Stuey Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Love Ian's idea of separate boxes for separate countries. I'd love to help. DEVON please! Quote
+rutson Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 As far as I can see, Angus is a district of Tayside. REALLY don't want to get into the politics of UK counties again. If the scots can agree on a list, that'll do for me. Quote
+Team Clova Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 (edited) As far as I can see, Angus is a district of Tayside. REALLY don't want to get into the politics of UK counties again. If the scots can agree on a list, that'll do for me. Eeeek NO!!!! Tayside WAS made up of (mostly) Angus and Perthshire, to say either is a district of Tayside could start a civil war! Its a bit like saying North South East and West Yorkshire are all just districts of Yorkshire!! (that arent are they??? ) I'll put the question to the Scottish forum and see if we can come up with a list for you! Edited March 8, 2007 by Team Clova Quote
+rutson Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 I was looking at pre '96 or something. This seems current, but I can't see 30 caches for Scotland being feasible! Quote
+Bambography Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 I'd read about the Delorme caches so therefore this sounds like a great idea! Put me down for Hampshire! Cheers. Quote
+chizu Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 I was looking at pre '96 or something. This seems current, but I can't see 30 caches for Scotland being feasible! And why not? Quote
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