I know who the pirates are.

September 23, 2003

I know that obviously one is in the NJ area, but what other parts of the country are having pirate problems.

38.2k · September 23, 2003

Vancouver and I think Arizona

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

9.4k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by sept1c_tank:
Start a private topic.

That's a much better idea than having it the public forum. I'd be okay with that.

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by BrianSnat:

quote:
After that can we go and celebrate at the Bada Bing

Hey, I know where 3/4 of those places are. I've seen scenes on the show where I knew there was a cache nearby.

Your Boone town Falls cache is near where Jackie Jr. was shot in the show. I am originally from Lake Hiawatha and found a couple of your caches while visiting family in NJ. As stated in another thread don't archive your caches.

As for the pirates I say Out them.

Jason

SO THAT ONE MAY WALK IN PEACE.......

September 23, 2003

Thank you for your hard work Jeremy.

Maybe now we will see the start of the end of this practice.

September 23, 2003

Secretly, Jeremy has been running piratecaching.com and cross-referencing IP addresses of people that send him pictures with posts on this site. Pretty clever eh?

OK, just kidding, but it would be funny!

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by seneca:
I think that the fact that Jeremy has come out and made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that "piracy", no matter how harmless, will not be tolerated by this site, will go some distance in resolving the problem. A lot of the discussion on the topic has shown that there may have been some support by normally decent cachers, for the more harmless varieties of piracy. Now those persons know that it is absolutely not tolerated here, and perhaps they will be less inclined to engage in it.

Yeah, I guess I fit in that catagory

When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!

5.3k · September 23, 2003

As Tank said...make it a private topic.

(and I love gossip)

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

Eamus Catuli AC145895

September 23, 2003

To paraphrase my mom, "If you haven't got anything nice to say about someone, please join me in a private topic." Please invite me if you start one.

September 23, 2003

Sorry, hit the post it now before I got everything in. Let me finish the thought (or lack of).

I had thought of Trogdor the Burninator, burninating local caches. But it does seem to get some peoples panties in a wad and others who are in touch with their more sensitive side get their feeling hurt. I’ll drop any thoughts of going to the dark side so as to not get caught up in the lynch mob.

So what’s the next variation? Teletubbies or Barney themes? My vote is for my Little Pony! But please be careful, Powerpuff Girls might be too violent for some! Whatever, I’m sure you guys will work it out.

Enough! I gotta go outside and find a cache!

When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by sept1c_tank:
Start a private topic.

Oh yeah, and please invite me!

Invite me too!!! The discussion of this topic in #geocache abounds...

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Becky Davis

Geocaching blog

San Jose, CA

September 23, 2003

Good job Jeremy! Although part of me really wants to know who the pirates are, I think its better to just leave things be, unless they keep up their pirating, or decide to be hipocrites on this thread.

I'm curious as to how you found them out. I've got a couple of ideas on how you might have done it, but I won't post them here.

--RuffRidr

2.3k · September 23, 2003

I have recommended several times, this be brought into a private topic area... so invite me too please!

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Free your mind and the rest will follow

And may no Admin bricks fly your way

4.8k · September 23, 2003

quote:
To paraphrase my mom, "If you haven't got anything nice to say about someone, please join me in a private topic." Please invite me if you start one.

Although the last thing I need to be doing is engaging in gossip, please invite me too!

3k · September 23, 2003

Jeremy has already outed one, so he has already gone "past the point of no return."

The title of the thread is plural. I say publish the complete list and the corroborating evidence so that innuendo and finger pointing ceases.

38.2k · September 23, 2003

Yeah, I'd like to be there.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

September 23, 2003

Please invite me too since the pirates are quite active in my area.

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Gorak

September 23, 2003

Nice one Jeremy.

Good to see that justice prevails..

Pity we can't...

3k · September 23, 2003

Thank you Jeremy! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I knew you could do it.

I'd like to join the private topic also, I'm bored. It's raining really hard today.

Cacher who met some of the people who work for The Frog

Planet

1.8k · September 23, 2003

Whoa, after reading the profile of the pirate that was 'outed', it appears as if we could be dealing with people that may not be ... let's just say ... their jets don't fly out of the same airport as everyone else.

3k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by The Artful Dodger:

Pity we can't...

That would probably be the one virtual/locationless cache that would win approval.

38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Pity we can't...

Isn't that how most pirates met their end?

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

September 23, 2003

If this goes private, add me.

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Scoobie

A day without sunshine is like.....NIGHT!

2.1k · September 23, 2003

Congratulations, Jeremy, I think you've brought us all back to 1692 (and Salem is only a stone's throw away from my apartment!).

It's comical to watch everyone who gets really upset about these things, since when it is done correctly there's little difference between a "pirated cache" and a "multi-cache" AND the prize is bigger (and there's still "booty" for the kids). I think the original piratecaching.com pirate went far out of their way to make it something that could be enjoyable, temporary, and a fun surprise when you went out geocaching for the day. Anyone who wasn't following those guidelines was no better than the people who don't even know what geocaching is but take the whole cache when they stumble onto it. They were not pirates, they were plunderers and they have always been shunned by the sport, since they actually destroy the cache.

Disclaimer: I am not a pirate, but more of a sympathizer. I think that creativity is a virtue and that some people really just need to chill out about a box of toys in the woods.

September 23, 2003

At the risk of being a me-too, me too.

____________________________

- Team Og Rof A Klaw

All who wander are not lost.

2.1k · September 23, 2003

Man, take a few hours away from the website and y'all go huntin' without me...

Would be interesting to know who they are/were...

Brian

www.woodsters.com

1.1k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by ju66l3r:
Congratulations, Jeremy, I think you've brought us all back to 1692 (and Salem is only a stone's throw away from my apartment!).

What an asinine comment. It's comical for someone to justify the actions of a geocacher whose misguided intentions blow up in their face, creating a number of "copycats" who don't play by their "good" pirate rules.

A salem witch trial was a red herring. We're not dunking witches here but outing people who apparently have no outlets for their creative energy. If they're so proud of their actions, why go through the drudgery of instigating topics as if they have no clue?

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
It's comical to watch everyone who gets really upset about these things, since when it is done correctly there's little difference between a "pirated cache" and a "multi-cache" AND the prize is bigger (and there's still "booty" for the kids). I think the original piratecaching.com pirate went far out of their way to make it something that could be enjoyable, temporary, and a fun surprise when you went out geocaching for the day. Anyone who wasn't following those guidelines was no better than the people who don't even know what geocaching is but take the whole cache when they stumble onto it. They were not pirates, they were plunderers and they have always been shunned by the sport, since they actually destroy the cache.

If I wanted to make my cache into a multi cache, I would do it. I don't need some self appointed pirate, or "cache improver", or whatever you want to call them, messing with my cache setup.

Even IF these overgrown children all had the best intentions, which some didn't, I'd be against it. But in many instances the cache contents weren't returned. In some, the cache was left empty and the log book was stolen.

The last log in my plundered cache said "what kind of person would do such a thing?" It doesn't sound like he was having all that much fun. A log from another nearby cache that had been plundered by this bozo said "...This was the first time we ever seen this. The kids were disappointed.". Yep, sounds like they had a real blast.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

9.4k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Planet:
I'd like to join the private topic also, I'm bored. It's raining really hard today.

What's this rain stuff you speak of?

Oh, and I'll join the private topic

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

2.7k · September 23, 2003

Good job, Jeremy.

Out the f'tards.

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Don't hurt me. I'm new here.

September 23, 2003

if the thread goes private, please add me to the list! Thanks

"I'm 35 Years old, I am divorced, and I live in van down by the river!" - Matt Foley

September 23, 2003

Rain, schmain. We had tornadoes today.

____________________________

- Team Og Rof A Klaw

All who wander are not lost.

1.8k · September 23, 2003

Please add me to the private topic list. I'm afraid if I don't ask to be included, everyone will think I'm a pirate or a sympathizer.

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by ju66l3r:
Congratulations, Jeremy, I think you've brought us all back to 1692 (and Salem is only a stone's throw away from my apartment!).

It's comical to watch everyone who gets really upset about these things, since when it is done correctly there's little difference between a "pirated cache" and a "multi-cache" AND the prize is bigger (and there's still "booty" for the kids). I think the original piratecaching.com pirate went far out of their way to make it something that could be enjoyable, temporary, and a fun surprise when you went out geocaching for the day. Anyone who wasn't following those guidelines was no better than the people who don't even know what geocaching is but take the whole cache when they stumble onto it. They were not pirates, they were plunderers and they have always been shunned by the sport, since they actually destroy the cache.

Disclaimer: I am not a pirate, but more of a sympathizer. I think that creativity is a virtue and that some people really just need to chill out about a box of toys in the woods.

Ummm...if pirating is creative, then why can't those who would pirate be creative enough to place their own multi-cache? If you are saying there aren't enough multi-caches, why don't you place some yourself?

Jeremy - thanks for the effort at enforcing standards of the game. We don't have any pirates here, as far as I know - yet (I suppose now my caches will be targeted). But I support the outing of pirates, if it comes to that. No other action will probably be needed. It is enough to know who the scoundrels are.

"...clear as mud?"

3k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by ju66l3r:
Congratulations, Jeremy, I think you've brought us all back to 1692 (and Salem is only a stone's throw away from my apartment!).

It's comical to watch everyone who gets really upset about these things, since when it is done correctly there's little difference between a "pirated cache" and a "multi-cache" AND the prize is bigger (and there's still "booty" for the kids). I think the original piratecaching.com pirate went far out of their way to make it something that could be enjoyable, temporary, and a fun surprise when you went out geocaching for the day. Anyone who wasn't following those guidelines was no better than the people who don't even know what geocaching is but take the whole cache when they stumble onto it. They were not pirates, they were plunderers and they have always been shunned by the sport, since they actually destroy the cache.

Disclaimer: I am not a pirate, but more of a sympathizer. I think that creativity is a virtue and that some people really just need to chill out about a box of toys in the woods.

That's ridiculous.

"If you're not with us, you're against us!" - The President of the United States Of America

"They can play their game, but they can't use my ball!" - BrianSnat

And by the way, your avatar looks an awful lot like this one:

Planet

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by ju66l3r:
Congratulations, Jeremy, I think you've brought us all back to 1692 (and Salem is only a stone's throw away from my apartment!).

It's comical to watch everyone who gets really upset about these things, since when it is done correctly there's little difference between a "pirated cache" and a "multi-cache" AND the prize is bigger (and there's still "booty" for the kids). I think the original piratecaching.com pirate went far out of their way to make it something that could be enjoyable, temporary, and a fun surprise when you went out geocaching for the day. Anyone who wasn't following those guidelines was no better than the people who don't even know what geocaching is but take the whole cache when they stumble onto it. They were not pirates, they were plunderers and they have always been shunned by the sport, since they actually destroy the cache.

Disclaimer: I am not a pirate, but more of a sympathizer. I think that creativity is a virtue and that some people really just need to chill out about a box of toys in the woods.

The fine line between petty vandalism and trying to create an acceptable pirate has vanished or never existed in many people's eyes, unfortunately. The blood is in the water, the lynch mobs are forming and name lists will be created, whether accurate or not.

This would have been fun given the right parameters. I suspect that the only acceptable "pirate's game" will be found in organized group events.

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Searching for the lost, Geocache.......

2.1k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by StarshipTrooper:
We don't have any pirates here, as far as I know - yet

Starship, I got a chuckle out what you said and then read where you are from. For some reason, I envisioned a mountain fo potatoes and a dancing priate from Piratesof the Penzance on top...

sorry...lol

Brian

www.woodsters.com

September 23, 2003

I want to know also, so if you go private, but by now what would be the use. Since the Genie is out of the bottle for one let the others out in public!

PSUPAUL of

Team Geo-Remdation

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:
...For some reason, I envisioned a mountain fo potatoes and a dancing priate from Piratesof the Penzance on top...

sorry...lol..

Never saw any Gilbert and Sullivan, so I'm not sure how to take that. Guess that's related to why some folks just call me "spud".

"...clear as mud?"

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):
I now know who the pirates are...

I think you should define what you mean by the term "pirate". Is that only people who steal and plunder caches, or does that include the "good pirate" from British Columbia? You probably know who both are, but do you group them as one, i.e. people who steal and plunder caches?

Thanks,

RobertM

1.9k · September 23, 2003

As far as i know we have no pirates here in the UK, but if we did I think the thing to do would be to furnish the cache owner with the hard evidence so they could report a theft to the police.

If this didn,t work I would then be all for outing the perpetrators.

September 23, 2003

I just spent 10 hours last Saturday helping someone set up a rather elaborate cache.

If I or the guy who I helped actually caught one of the pirates in action, we would probably use very harsh words... repeatedly, without mercy.

I have an idea... If you have placed caches, and you think the pirating is harmless fun, why not start a list of caches that it is okay to mess with. You could list all of yours, and others who are okay with piracy could list theirs as well. Go ahead, start a thread.

But, I say out them to everyone, and let whatever happens as a result be the responsibility of the people involved.

Now, if there is a privacy policy, I suggest modifying it as necessary to allow for outing those who do not respect the hard work of cache owners.

Sure, a micro cache is easier... that's what makes a well thought out, placed, and maintained cache something special. We don't need some bunghole discouraging people from putting a lot of work into truly interesting (sometimes extravagant) caches.

Less than ordinary people should stay away from the work of exceptional ones.

1.7k · September 23, 2003

Nice going Jeremy! If your ethics prevent you from outing them at this time, okay by me. (Even though I am dying of curiosity.) It's nice to know that you can squash their dirty activities.

Please add my name to the list of invitees to a private topic. I've spent months thinking about the Arizona vermin who decided to play pirate.

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes

On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:

"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --

"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Cave Troll & Joan:
...we did I think the thing to do would be to furnish the cache owner with the hard evidence so they could report a theft to the police.

If this didn,t work I would then be all for outing the perpetrators.

Maybe things are different in the UK, but the last thing I would want to do is burden my local law enforcement with reports of such a petty crime. They have more important things to do at my expense, IMO.

I say - just out them. They need not be jailed, tortured, or hung. Just *knowing* their character has been revealed will likely be punishment enough.

"...clear as mud?"

September 23, 2003

I'd be interested in another private topic regarding this matter.

Also, I'm curious, there seems to be more than one cache pirate. Jeremy, are you aware of all their true identities, or just one or some.

Pan

Here there be tigers. - My response when asked by a fellow Geocacher to describe the attitude of the forums.

38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
I say - just out them. They need not be jailed, tortured, or hung.

If Jeremy won't out them, I hope he at least e-mails them and gives them a very stern tongue lashing.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

1.9k · September 23, 2003

You may be right.

I guess the cops are much busier these days.

Although a newbie I really appreciate the hard work done by Jeremy and his actions on this matter may persuade any like minded individuals not to start in any country not affected by these pirates

2.5k · September 23, 2003

Ok, how about everyone who wants to be part of the private topic, post your interest to be included here today, and the topic will start tomorrow. I believe that once the topic is started, no one else can be included, I might be wrong, but that's how I understand it to work.

September 23, 2003

No offence, but...

Those wanting inclusion to the Private Forum - how do we know if your intentions are honorable.

You could be a newbie pirate!

2.5k · September 23, 2003

Because Jeremy told them not to post here.

I know who the pirates are.

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