I know who the pirates are.

1.1k · September 23, 2003

I now know who the pirates are, and unfortunately the hypocracy abounds. In all my emails and correspondence, I use my real name so I can stand by my own words. Now I can read these individuals posts in the forums with the knowledge that I have absolutely no respect for their responses in these forums, or elsewhere for that matter.

Sure, they may continue their obnoxious attempt to take this sport to a place most people find abhorrent, but I will no longer respect their participation in geocaching.

Frankly, I'm disappointed. Shame on you. Perhaps you can expend your energy elsewhere, like shoplifting or petty larceny.

At this point I hope that they will stop. Otherwise I'll start outing the pirates. And if you're a pirate, please don't insult me by posting to this topic.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

9.4k · September 23, 2003

Thank you for letting us know you are working on the issue. I have a good idea who one of the pirates is, but he has already left the public spotlight.

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

September 23, 2003

Thanks Jeremy,

Mike

September 23, 2003

Now THAT is the best way to deal with the pirate issue. Thanks Jeremy.

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Scoobie

A day without sunshine is like.....NIGHT!

2.3k · September 23, 2003

Looking forward to seeing my curiosity satisfied, at the very least, by KNOWING who they are!

Joel (joefrog)

"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for ye are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!"

2.3k · September 23, 2003

As far as I know, I am not a pirate!

Why not out them now?? If it is someone who frequents the forums then I would like to know and I am sure this will be followed by others who are also curious...

You are right that is has to do with credibility, which is why I use my own name and likeness on my posts.

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9.4k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by joefrog:
Looking forward to seeing my curiosity satisfied, at the very least, by KNOWING who they are!

I'm not sure if that's the best idea at this time. There have been numerous threats already, and posting identities here might spur some to act on those threats.

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

5.9k · September 23, 2003

Well, the @ss kicking is on hold for now I guess...

http://fp1.centurytel.net/Criminal_Page/

3.8k · September 23, 2003

"Tanks" for your efforts, Jeremy.

I see no reason for the identities of the pirates to be made public. Sounds like you've *been workin' on it!*

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**(the other 9 out of 10 voices in my head say: "Don't do it.")**

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1.2k · September 23, 2003

Thanks Jeremy, for looking into this issue. Thanks again for letting us know there is some action on it. I'm all for *outing* these people if it becomes necessary, till then, I trust your judgement in the matter.

"Afghanistan was a battle. Iraq was a battle. The war goes on."

4.8k · September 23, 2003

I vote for outing and banning. Although I'm not sure how you could keep someone out of a public website like this.

I saw the poll on another thread, but I was frankly torn whether to vote No or Yes. Sounds like a good solution, but also sounds like a lot of work.

September 23, 2003

quote:
but also sounds like a lot of work.

not only a lot of work but dadgum near impossible. Sure, you can ban their IPs but with most ISPs now-a-days (including most broadband ISPs) people have short-term DHCP leases. There are also a number of free anonymous-proxies that can be accessed...

Silent Bob

September 23, 2003

Thanks for the detective work.

quote:
Well, the @ss kicking is on hold for now I guess...

Sounds about right. To quote you, "If it isn't yours, don't f with it." That and ethics have prevented me from mentioning another course of action to take.

4.8k · September 23, 2003

Wow! I have been avoiding posting in the pirate threads, but I couldn't resist here. Thanks Jeremy.

As for outing them. I think it is best to not do that unless it becomes necessary. This issue has already caused enough ruckous. Also, although most disagreed with the pirates, some were OK with it if the pirate sought permission of the cache owner etc. Of course, at that point, I don't see why the pirate should feel the need to hide behind a false name either.

1k · September 23, 2003

If you are POSITIVE, I hope you will post their identities (logon i.d. and real name) for all to see. You have found this information to be personally beneficial...

quote:
Now I can read these individuals posts in the forums with the knowledge that I have absolutely no respect for their responses in these forums, or elsewhere for that matter.

I would like to have that same benefit.

As I stated in a related thread, I believe the best solution to the problem is to expose them. I hope you will do it.

worldtraveler

September 23, 2003

Well done Jeremy, and I can completely understand your upset.

But I'd be against outing them just yet - perhaps it should just serve as a wake-up call, and they could realise the castigation they'd get from other forum members.

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38.2k · September 23, 2003

Who are they? Let me at 'em. You don't have to out them all...just the NJ guy.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

22.1k · September 23, 2003

From the message boards on the pirate site:

quote:
Lets call him on his bluff, I say BAN us right now if ye knows who we are.Don't chat about just do it.

Seems like a pretty polite invitation, for a pirate.

Don't make me stop this car!

1.1k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by BrianSnat:
Who are they? Let me at 'em. You don't have to out them all...just the NJ guy.

You're kidding, right?

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

3.9k · September 23, 2003

You don't have to oust them. All you have to do is expose them and the peer pressure will cause them to resign on their own.

I'm willing to bet that they are known and respected in the Geocaching community.

El Diablo

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1.1k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by El Diablo:
I'm willing to bet that they are known and respected in the Geocaching community.

Well, known. Respected may be a stretch.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

1k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):

quote:
Originally posted by BrianSnat:
Who are they? Let me at 'em. You don't have to out them all...just the NJ guy.

You're kidding, right?

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

I think BrianSnat means no harm; he just wants to treat the guy to a new pair of shoes (cement variety). It's just a typical NJ welcome gift.

worldtraveler

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):
Well, known. Respected may be a stretch.

They wouldn't perchance have left the forums admidst a mass of huff and steam at any point, would they?

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1.1k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by worldtraveler:
I think BrianSnat means no harm; he just wants to treat the guy to a new pair of shoes (cement variety). It's just a typical NJ welcome gift.

He knows what I mean.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
You're kidding, right?

Well sort of. But I wouldn't be too upset if you sent me a private e-mail with a hint.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

2k · September 23, 2003

I'm glad to hear Jeremy is working on this.

If he can make the piracy end without needing to "out" anybody, that's fine with me.

September 23, 2003

Hopefully this will end before it gets to this part of the country.

9.5k · September 23, 2003

Great job Jeremy. That was no small task.

Cheers!

TL

September 23, 2003

Why go after them?

In my opinion (for what it's worth), I think that a quick and simple locked thread displaying their linked user profiles would be effective enough.

Privacy someone might say? Well, I think they waved their rights to privacy.

pLAyS WitH maTCHeS

1.3k · September 23, 2003

Jeremy, did you find out who Pirateofthenorthwest, a new pirate that turned up in Bremerton yesterday, is? I hope he has been warned as well before he messes with one of my caches.

Awesome job, BTW.

September 23, 2003

Oh, great. TPTB had too few distractions and too few matters requiring attention recently, I guess.

That's one more good thing about BMs and virtuals, if you haven't noticed yet. They are less susceptible to plunder.

9.4k · September 23, 2003

This thread has nothing to do with virtuals. Please don't use it as a thread to argue their worth.

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
That's one more good thing about BMs and virtuals, if you haven't noticed yet. They are less susceptible to plunder.

Yeah, who would want to steal a marker that says "This tree was planted by the Hackensack Ladies Auxillary on Oct. 14th 1977"?

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

September 23, 2003

Very interesting Jeremy. Can't wait to see how this one plays out.

The sharks are hungry!

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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

1k · September 23, 2003

I'm guessing this could become the most-watched topic in the history of GC.com until either the pirates are exposed or the thread is locked.

worldtraveler

1.1k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Bull Moose:
Jeremy, did you find out who Pirateofthenorthwest, a new pirate that turned up in Bremerton yesterday, is?

Pirateofthenorthwest is tanda1701, but they're more of a copycat than the actual instigators. The problem is these copycats don't play by the same rules.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

5.3k · September 23, 2003

BURN THEM!!! BURN THEM!!!

oops...that's for witches. Sorry. My bad

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

Eamus Catuli AC145895

1.3k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):

quote:
Originally posted by Bull Moose:
Jeremy, did you find out who Pirateofthenorthwest, a new pirate that turned up in Bremerton yesterday, is?

Pirateofthenorthwest is http://www.geocaching.com/profile/default.aspx?A=88555, but they're more of a copycat than the actual instigators. The problem is these copycats don't play by the same rules.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

Ha. Well, I guess I'm not as mad about that, seeing as how he plundered their OWN cache!

As long as they don't plunder mine...

38.2k · September 23, 2003

That's very disappointing. I was hoping that real geocachers weren't involved...esp. long time participants. I really hoped it was some 20 year old newbie with a handful of finds, looking for some cheap thrills at the expense of others.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

September 23, 2003

ummmm...Brian do you have a problem with my Gardening?

September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by worldtraveler:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):

quote:
Originally posted by BrianSnat:
Who are they? Let me at 'em. You don't have to out them all...just the NJ guy.

You're kidding, right?

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

I think BrianSnat means no harm; he just wants to treat the guy to a new pair of shoes (cement variety). It's just a typical NJ welcome gift.

worldtraveler

After that can we go and celebrate at the Bada Bing

38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
After that can we go and celebrate at the Bada Bing

Hey, I know where 3/4 of those places are. I've seen scenes on the show where I knew there was a cache nearby.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

September 23, 2003

Good job Jeremy. Good to see this matter being investigated.

Thanks

"Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God and angels know of us" - Thomas Paine

September 23, 2003

quote:
Yeah, who would want to steal a marker that says "This tree was planted by the Hackensack Ladies Auxillary on Oct. 14th 1977"?

Hackensack Ladies Auxillary. We're the Ladies' Auxiliary of Hackensack! Cawk.

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All who wander are not lost.

September 23, 2003

I think that the fact that Jeremy has come out and made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that "piracy", no matter how harmless, will not be tolerated by this site, will go some distance in resolving the problem. A lot of the discussion on the topic has shown that there may have been some support by normally decent cachers, for the more harmless varieties of piracy. Now those persons know that it is absolutely not tolerated here, and perhaps they will be less inclined to engage in it.

I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.

38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
A lot of the discussion on the topic has shown that there may have been some support by normally decent cachers, for the more harmless varieties of piracy. Now those persons know that it is absolutely not tolerated here, and perhaps they will be less inclined to engage in it.

What got me were all the apologists for the "pirates", who thought it was an interesting twist to the game. Well play the game with your own caches, thank you.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

2.5k · September 23, 2003

I'd like to take a guess at who it is, but I'm not sure if that's appropriate. Can we start a thread where we take guesses at who the pirates are? I don't want to do it unless it's ok.

9.4k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Can we start a thread where we take guesses at who the pirates are?

Once the speculation starts, accusations will be thrown around and it will turn into a witch hunt. Probably not a good idea.

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

3.8k · September 23, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by cachew nut:
I'd like to take a guess at who it is, but I'm not sure if that's appropriate. Can we start a thread where we take guesses at who the pirates are? I don't want to do it unless it's ok.

Start a private topic.

Oh yeah, and please invite me!

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**(the other 9 out of 10 voices in my head say: "Don't do it.")**

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38.2k · September 23, 2003

quote:
I'd like to take a guess at who it is, but I'm not sure if that's appropriate. Can we start a thread where we take guesses at who the pirates are? I don't want to do it unless it's ok.

I know who one is and have a few good guesses as to who some others are.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm

I know who the pirates are.

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