+Team Giblert Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Is it OK to leave a new cache near a nude beach? There are lots of hiking trails near the beach and it seems like it would be a perfect location. The beach is primarily used in the summer months. Don't want to offend anybody :-) Link to comment
+leatherman Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 I'll be there. If you do not extend your expectations unto others, you will not be disappointed by the stupid things they do. Mokita! Link to comment
+hoovman Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 If you take pictures of yourself or the cache, be careful which way you point the camera! Nudists don't like their picture taken be non-nudist Link to comment
rgknowlton Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 No, it is not appropriate. Children make up a lion's share of geocachers and they don't need to be corrupted any sooner than necessary. Plus, most adults will likely not appreciate the surpise either. Link to comment
+Team Giblert Posted January 18, 2003 Author Share Posted January 18, 2003 Bob K - but that's just it - I don't want it to be a surprise. I want to put "caution - nude beach nearby" on the info page. That way everybody is aware of what they're looking for. Informed consent. I would also venture to guess that the majority of adults would not be offended to be in the vicinity of a nude beach. Link to comment
+Team StitchesOnQuilts Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 I think the problem is that a lot of people have the waypoints in their GPSes and just sort of go for it. Sure, they should check the cache page first, and it would be nice if they either had the printouts or the cache pages downloaded to their PDA. In practice, though, I think you'll find that a lot of cachers don't bother. If they have their kids with them and get a surprise like a nude beach, I think you're going to get complaints. Is there some reason why a non-nude beach won't work as well? Shannah Link to comment
+Team Giblert Posted January 18, 2003 Author Share Posted January 18, 2003 Shannah - hmmm, good points. Now I'm reconsidering. Link to comment
+LarsThorwald Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Bob K.:No, it is not appropriate. Children make up a lion's share of geocachers and they don't need to be corrupted any sooner than necessary. Is that really what you consider corruption? Charlie "One should never begin a journey by heading in the wrong direction." Link to comment
+Planet Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Click here and read this cache page Cache you later, Planet "To err is human, to forgive....$5.00" Link to comment
+georgeandmary Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 I'd lable the page as a warning. It wouldn't be the first. Maybe put Nude in the title. I'm not sure where the idea that every cache needs to be kid friendly. Just as you should take kids on some technical trials, you may not want your kids near a nude beach. Or maybe you feel fine with that. Label it clearly. george Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more. Link to comment
+Newenglandah Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 I would have no problem with this cache,I'd mark it very clear on the cache page though..Hell why on the beach even, cachers could make the decision weather or not they'd want cache in the buff... This puts a whole new twist to the dificulty level/rating.. As far as currupting people, I think clothes currupt humans more...It makes them afraid to show who/what they really are...Also in my travels I have found, its more a problem only in the USA to show off that you are a human...just my opinon though others may think different.. See you in the woods! Natureboy1376 Link to comment
+GrizzlyJohn Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 That anybody could just be coming along walking the trails and come across people in the nude? I guess in my mind I would expect to see postings of some kind along the way. People with families could stumble across this even if they are just out for a walk? If there is no way of knowing this it could happen all the time. Suppose you came to the cache one way and did not see anything. But if you came to the cache from another direction you might find these folks. Without there being any notice you may not know that. Don't get me wrong I would do the cache and take my time doing it. And if a group of people want to wander around in the nude outside that is their business. But they can't expect that nobody will be checking them out. But I do think that people who are out for a walk in the woods deserve to be informed what they might be approaching. Is this public land? Link to comment
+Jacksons Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 how about just posting the coordinates here and forgeting the cache I'm a man and I can change if I have to,I guess. Link to comment
+GeoJunkie Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 quote:Originally posted by georgeandmary:I'm not sure where the idea that every cache needs to be kid friendly. Maybe from here. Also, I believe there are guidelines somewhere within geocaching.com saying it must be family oriented. Of course, I saw it when I wasn't looking for it, and now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it! Link to comment
+altree Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Hmm wonder how many accounts will be marked as "watching" this cache Altree (you will not starve with a p38 and a can of food) Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Only here in the US is a nude beach considered not to be family oriented. Travel to more "civilized" countries and you'll see things that would give the Religious Right here a heart attack. There are people here (in the US, not necessarily in this forum) that consider a picture of a naked 1 year old child porn! How many families have taken such pictures without the first thought of sexual connotations? Plenty. It's only when the very vocal puritan in us comes out do we think it's dirty. Nudity in itself is not sexual. It's only what you make it. If you think it's dirty, then it's your problem. John Ashcroft covering the Justice statues tells us more about his views, his sexuality, than what's artistic. Why else would someone focus on a boob? (I wasn't talking about John, either.) Many of the greatest works of all time are depictions of Man in various stages of nudity. I say lighten up, put a small disclaimer, and let'er rip. Here's Sissy's view... "Caching is a family sport and one of the reasons we spend time together as a family is to pass along our values to our children. Encountering a situation like this with your children is the perfect opportunity to start a conversation. Your children can learn your values. You can explain that these people out here are crazy exhibitionists or you can have a talk about how beautiful the human body is and how some behaviour, while not appropriate in all places, are appropriate in some. See Avian Island #1 for a good example of a disclaimer, and if as a cacher you are upset by this, this would not be a good choice for you. But let each decide for himself." So you see, you can choose to shelter your children or use it as an opprotunity to share your values. CR Link to comment
+Newenglandah Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Very well said!!!!!!I agree. In the past have met a few nudist, and they explained there club to me and what the people were like...and its not a Sexual based club at all. Think of it this way for a different line of thinking.... When some one mentions a Nudist beach ...Don't think Playboy think National Geographic See you in the woods! Natureboy1376 Link to comment
+IV_Warrior Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Would it be a webcam cache? I'm lost. I've gone to find myself. If I should happen to get back before I return, please ask me to wait. Link to comment
husqui Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 If it's on beautiful trail that's worth visiting, then go for it. If there happens to be a bunch of nekked people running around nearby, then so be it. The area very close to this cache has been a destination of sorts for clothing optional people and it definitely adds variety and spice to our activity. Sure, it may offend some people, but then again, it may be an interesting and unique adventure to some. The scenery during the summer months along the beaches of Southern California and South Beach, Florida may be offensive to others as well but these people can always choose NOT to go there. Just make it a point to note the possibility of such additional 'delightful (?)' views the cache seeker may encounter along the way. If it's in the description, then I think you've given everyone fair warning. And I think that one should at least read the cache descriptions, specially if they have cause for concern when it comes to bringing kids along. Wouldn't you at least want to know what kind of terrain, difficulty level, etc., you are getting into if you've got kids with you? So why just download coordinates in your GPS without knowing these other facts and blindly follow the arrow? I don't have kids but I do have dogs and I do a fair amount of research before taking them out on the trails for a cache hunt (how long will the hike take? how much water should I bring? is there enough shade along the way?). Regardless, I KNOW my huskies will not take offense to seeing the 'bare essentials' so we would seek out such a cache if it were nearby..... Link to comment
+Team Giblert Posted January 19, 2003 Author Share Posted January 19, 2003 Thank you so much everybody! The postings have been very helpful. We're going to go ahead and hide the cache later today. I will write up a description that clearly states that the cache is in the vicinity of a nude beach. I will also try to make the cache hidden so that you can access it without being in sight of the beach. And as somebody suggested, maybe put the word "nude" in the title so everybody is clear what they're getting in to. I feel kind of silly making such a big deal out of such a little thing but I truly don't want people annoyed with me. Hopefully the cache gets approved by the powers that be. Again, thank you all! If you're ever in Victoria, BC, Canada, come find our cache. Link to comment
+Newenglandah Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 That part of the world is beautiful ....I may have to take a little cache/snowboarding trip....In the buff......... See you in the woods! Natureboy1376 Link to comment
inconsequentia Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Bob K.:No, it is not appropriate. Children make up a lion's share of geocachers and they don't need to be corrupted any sooner than necessary. Plus, most adults will likely not appreciate the surpise either. er...corrupted by nudity? for reasons already pointed out, and then some, i'm glad you're going for it. i'd definetely go cache for it and would have no qualms bringing my kids with me....nude beach, not *having sex on* beach. "i am but mad north-nothwest...when the wind is southerly, i know a hawk from a handsaw." Link to comment
+Borgt Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Go for it. Is nudity really that big a deal? Sheesh! I'd hunt for it and if I still had youngin's I'd have no problem having them along. As others have mentioned, just be sure it's in the description for those who don't feel that nudity is appropriate. Be sure to make it hard enough so that some quality time could be spent searching Paul Link to comment
+briansnat Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 I see no problem with it, as long as people are warned on the cache page. The Naked Truth in Vermont has been around for quite some time and is a very popular cache. "Paternalism is the greatist despotism" - Emmanual Kant Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 It's ok. You just say "It's near a nude beach" and you are good to go. Probably increase the number of teenaged males in the sport just for your efforts! Wherever you go there you are. Link to comment
+Caching In Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Well Done Sissy-n-CR Link to comment
ExactlyAmy Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 So if you cache with clothes ON, do you still get to count it as a find??? Seriously, though, if you put it in the title or description then it should be clear enough that if someone wants not to 'risk' seeing something they don't want to, then they can choose not to go for that one. If they don't feel their children are ready for that, then they can choose to go without the kids for that one. Then there won't be any surprises. Link to comment
+sherk Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 http://www.sannet.gov/lifeguards/beaches/blacks.shtml the link is from the City of San Diego describing the beach. No mention is made to keep children out. This is Americas most popular nudist beach and it is split North/South with the South side NOT allowing any nudity (or you get $135 fine). I'm thinking of placing it in the cliffs on the south side and letting people make their own decision to "cross" the boundary or not. It would be a shame to dismiss such a beautiful location because a minority of repressed individuals consider the natural human form as something inappropriate. Link to comment
+texcaver Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 post difficulty 5/* (special equipment required) Link to comment
+larock Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by sherk:I'm thinking of placing it in the cliffs on the south side and letting people make their own decision to "cross" the boundary or not. It would be a shame to dismiss such a beautiful location because a minority of repressed individuals consider the natural human form as something inappropriate. Sherk, your right the section of beach between La Jolla Shores and Torrey Pines SB would be a beautiful location for a cache. But as you probably know, living in OB, beach cliffs often collapse. The collapses are not always news worthy, but they maybe enough to burry your cache and raise the difficulty level a few notches. Link to comment
Dru Morgan Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 After a huge hike in the hot desert sun, the least I can get is a peek at some boobs. Clothing Optional Cache This was actually my 100th find and it was quite a trek. Half my life is spent explaining to Christians why I am a deadhead. The other half is spent explaining to deadheads why I am a Christian. -Dru Morgan Link to comment
+Fatboy Slim & Rainey Belle Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 As I was reading this thread, I felt I wanted to express the same thoughts. Rainey Belle and I have found nothing that gets us to that grounded and 'in touch with our Higher Power' feeling than being outside au naturel. As for corruption....consumerism is much more a corruption than nudity. 'A good traveler has no specific destination, and isn't intent on arriving.'-take pleasure in the journey Link to comment
+Planet Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Just because someone is nude, it doesn't mean they're in great shape. Then you MIGHT want to sheild the kiddies eyes! Or, use it as an opportunity to explain why they should eat right and get plenty of exercise. Cache you later, Planet "You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" - Dave Barry Link to comment
+Faderaven Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Would you go for the cache if it was on a nude beach? Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore Link to comment
+Planet Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Faderaven: What if the cache requires nudity? Would you go for the cache if it was on a nude beach? Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore I'm afraid I'd have to pass on it. Talk about scaring the wildlife! Cache you later, Planet "You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" - Dave Barry Link to comment
+trippy1976 Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Haha. trippy nude would be scary for me and anyone onlooking I'd have to pass on that too. But as far as this cache goes... if it's /near/ a nude beach and noted thusly, I wouldn't have an issue with it. As far as children being the lion's share of cachers - I have to disagree there. I've never been to an event where children even come close to outnumbering the adults. In fact, there have been about 40:1 Adults:Children at the ones I've been to. But yeah... parents should probably read cache pages more closely than us footloose and fancy free cachers. There are many other more common situations that you wouldn't probably want to bring children into, nudism is likely one of the least common things to watch out for. -------- trippy1976 - Team KKF2A Saving geocaches - one golf ball at a time. Link to comment
Digital_Cowboy Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Bob K.:No, it is not appropriate. Children make up a lion's share of geocachers and they don't need to be corrupted any sooner than necessary. Plus, most adults will likely not appreciate the surpise either. Bob K., I'll venture to guess that you haven't been to a nude/clothing optional beach/resort, but they ARE family freindly enviroments. I have personally been to two of the nudist/clothing optional recreation areas in the Tampa Bay area and I can tell you that children are always welcome at those facities. I would also have to say/add that having children grow up in a nudist/clothing optional enviroment is MUCH more healthy for then than growing up in an enviroment that equates nudity with corropution. As they learn early on that there is NO such thing as the "perfect" body, and they are less scared of scars or other "imperfections" on the human body. A good friend of mine and me went to one nudist/clothing optional resort and she has a large scar from an operation. Instead of staring at it or being afraid of it. Several young children asked her about it, and she explained to them what it was. Digital_Cowboy Link to comment
Digital_Cowboy Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 quote:Originally posted by thestraws: quote:Originally posted by georgeandmary:I'm not sure where the idea that every cache needs to be kid friendly. Maybe from http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=6770936793&m=5460979545. Also, I believe there are guidelines somewhere within geocaching.com saying it must be family oriented. Of course, I saw it when I wasn't looking for it, and now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it! Can you please tell me where the idea that social nudism isn't kid/family friendly??? As another poster has pointed out the Good Ole USA is about the only country where social nudism/nudity is look at as a "problem." Digital_Cowboy Link to comment
Digital_Cowboy Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Faderaven:Would you go for the cache if it was on a nude beach? Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore I can answer that with two words. Hell Yes Digital_Cowboy Link to comment
+GeoJunkie Posted January 31, 2003 Share Posted January 31, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Digital_Cowboy: quote:Originally posted by thestraws: quote:Originally posted by georgeandmary:I'm not sure where the idea that every cache needs to be kid friendly. Maybe from http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=6770936793&m=5460979545. Also, I believe there are guidelines somewhere within geocaching.com saying it must be family oriented. Of course, I saw it when I wasn't looking for it, and now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it! Can you please tell me where the idea that social nudism isn't kid/family friendly??? As another poster has pointed out the Good Ole USA is about the only country where social nudism/nudity is look at as a "problem." Digital_Cowboy First, I wasn't addressing specifically the issue of social nudism/nudity. The question was, where did people get the idea that every cache needs to be kid friendly. Every cache DOES need to be family friendly. Georgeandmary's question implied that adult oriented caches would be fine, but that doesn't fit with the family-oriented intention of geocaching. Now...on nudism. Obviously people are split on the issue of wether it is family-friendly or not. For some it, for some it isn't. The debate has gone for centuries, and I don't think it will be resolved by a bunch of people who search for tupperware in the woods. . IMHO, if it's left at or near a nude area, this fact should be disclosed in the cache. That way: 1. There are no surprises 2. Those that choose to avoid nudism have that option. Link to comment
+Team Giblert Posted February 2, 2003 Author Share Posted February 2, 2003 Oh dear. I'm the one who originally asked this question and began the thread. I was pretty happy with the replies so we went ahead and created the cache. However, a local cacher has pointed out there are more concerns about the location: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=50952 VIGUY is the one who posted the latest info on the location. Now I now what the guy wearing lightweight clothing (no jacket) was doing in the woods in the winter. Link to comment
+elifish Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 I'm glad you created it, geocachers come in all shapes and sizes, with and without clothes. Now I wonder how many of the "cruisers" are geocachers? Yipes! elifish Link to comment
Digital_Cowboy Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 quote:First, I wasn't addressing specifically the issue of social nudism/nudity. The question was, where did people get the idea that every cache needs to be kid friendly. Every cache DOES need to be family friendly. Georgeandmary's question implied that adult oriented caches would be fine, but that doesn't fit with the family-oriented intention of geocaching. Now...on nudism. Obviously people are split on the issue of wether it is family-friendly or not. For some it, for some it isn't. The debate has gone for centuries, and I don't think it will be resolved by a bunch of people who search for tupperware in the woods. . IMHO, if it's left at or near a nude area, this fact should be disclosed in the cache. That way: 1. There are no surprises 2. Those that choose to avoid nudism have that option. http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/65614_200.gif The only objection I had was with the assumption/interpitation/belife that somehow a GeoCache that is on or near a nudist/clothing optional beach/resort/recreation area somehow made it not family/kid friendly. And as has been pointed out already IF a cache is "planted" somewhere were only an experianced rock climber or scuba diver could get to it would by default NOT make it kid/family friendly would it not??? Digital_Cowboy Link to comment
+Gaddiel Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I think this has been posted earlier in this thread, but here is a quote from Jeremy Irish on another similar thread: "Adult themed caches are considered off-limits to list on the web site. Geocaching.com considers the activity "family oriented," not "family creating." Not everyone reads the cache pages, so an "adult only" cache isn't appropriate for the sport. Besides, I'd apply the same reasoning regarding food in caches to adult toys." I agree completely. Link to comment
Digital_Cowboy Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Gaddiel:I think this has been posted earlier in this thread, but here is a quote from Jeremy Irish on another similar thread: "Adult themed caches are considered off-limits to list on the web site. Geocaching.com considers the activity "family oriented," not "family creating." Not everyone reads the cache pages, so an "adult only" cache isn't appropriate for the sport. Besides, I'd apply the same reasoning regarding food in caches to adult toys." I agree completely. I agree that "Adult themed" caches should be considered off-limits, but again to suggest that a cache that is on or near a nudist/clothing optional facility is somehow an "adult themed" cache is a bit ludicris. As it has already been pointed out in this thread, the "Good Ole" USofA is about the only country in the "civilized" world that has a hang up over public/social nudity. I would like to suggest that IF there are anyone out there who have fallen "pry" to the myth that nudist are "sex addicts or exobishenests" that you go spend a weekend at a nudist/clothing optional facility and learn the truth for yourself. Digital_Cowboy Link to comment
crgreen Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 I guess it's really true that Americans tend to be prudes... Link to comment
NoahFence Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 This is all very interesting! “Family Oriented” totally depends on each individuals own unique perception. If I were of the Amish persuasion, Geocaching itself would NOT be in my list of family fun. Personally, I think caching ROCKS! That’s my perception. Nudity is totally natural. Again… My perception. War is a viable solution. George Dubbya’s perception. So, what have we learned here today boys and girls? Who makes the rules? Who’s perceptions do we adhere to? Here’s an idea… Put a cache about a mile away (give or take) from your original location and leave instructions and all the bare essentials about Bares in the Woods. Think of it as a bonus cache. Kinda like a hidden track on a CD. That way if the cachers perception of nudity is corruption, they can safely pass that fiery pit of Hell and triumphantly enter the pearly gates of Heaven as innocent as a snow-white lamb. ~NF Link to comment
Digital_Cowboy Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Would you go for the cache if it was on a nude beach?<BR><BR>Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore I would in a heartbeat. Digital_Cowboy Link to comment
+FourGremlins Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) I'd prefer if you put "Nude" in the title as a flag and a note on the main page. I wouldn't mind my kids seeing the nudists. I would avoid taking them to the site though as chances are there would be some non-nudist hanging around oogling or taking pictures on the sly. That I would not want them to see. (as I did in Jamaica watching a middle aged man dressed in doctors scrubs taking photos of the nudists with a long, long telephoto lens.) Edited December 20, 2006 by FourGremlins Link to comment
+FourGremlins Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) oops Edited December 20, 2006 by FourGremlins Link to comment
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