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One way to "find" D5 T4.5 caches!

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Found itFound it

21/06/2020

I was fortunate enough to join the CO in hiding this cache.

That's fairly common and accepted. I have done this when I've been with another hider, and others who were with me when I hid a cache also have logged it. Although, we have always not claimed FTF, but rather written, will log after FTF.

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On 6/28/2020 at 7:17 PM, Goldenwattle said:

That's fairly common and accepted. I have done this when I've been with another hider, and others who were with me when I hid a cache also have logged it. Although, we have always not claimed FTF, but rather written, will log after FTF.

 

Only by those that do it...

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17 minutes ago, allrounder said:

 

Only by those that do it...

Yes, the same as most things, only by those who "do it". But I notice many do. It would be rather silly not to log and what would it achieve? The assistant/companion now knows where GZ is. What are they to do? Never find this cache, because they have insider information where the cache is hidden. Hopefully though they wait for the FTF before logging their find online. It's also normal for the CO to write such and such was with them, and they will log after the FTF.

Besides, the person might have assisted the CO place the cache; at the least gave advice. That's normal.

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I was once with my son when he did OM to replace a cache which had gone missing.  There was no FTF issue, but I had no worries about logging a find.  As GoldenWattle says, am I forever banned from finding this cache?

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1 hour ago, Goldenwattle said:

Yes, the same as most things, only by those who "do it". But I notice many do. It would be rather silly not to log and what would it achieve? The assistant/companion now knows where GZ is. What are they to do? Never find this cache, because they have insider information where the cache is hidden. Hopefully though they wait for the FTF before logging their find online. It's also normal for the CO to write such and such was with them, and they will log after the FTF.

Besides, the person might have assisted the CO place the cache; at the least gave advice. That's normal.

 

In mid May, just after the easing of the lock-down restrictions here, I went out for a hike with a couple of caching friends. Along the way, one of them placed the container for a multi he'd been preparing so I couldn't help seeing where it was. It was published mid afternoon the next day so the following morning I went off, did the calculations at the two waypoints to get the final coordinates and headed off up the hill to GZ where I was the first to sign the logbook. Did I have an unfair advantage? I doubt it as it took me just as long to get to GZ as if I hadn't seen the CO place it and it's not a difficult one to spot once at GZ. Now, six weeks on, I'm still that cache's only finder.

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2 hours ago, Goldenwattle said:

 The assistant/companion now knows where GZ is.

What are they to do?   Never find this cache, because they have insider information where the cache is hidden. .

 

It's just one smiley.     But if they felt they had to, who cares ?    ;)   

 

I placed a 1.5/5 for the other 2/3rd's account and never logged it....   I've since adopted it from her, and never logged it beforehand.

I've helped more people place caches than we ever owned.  Never logged one as a find.  All depends on how you feel about that smiley.   :)

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A cache at a "Lost Place"

 

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Found it

 

We visited this cache. After a long search we didn't find it. It was quite an experience. We visited the whole house and it was worth it.

I'm giving it a Favorite Point.

It's the best place I've ever looked for a cache.

 

Logged as found with the owner's permission.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Clongo_Rongo said:

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too many not found , but claimed a find - but its a big  list that cheat

 

I logged a DNF March 14th 2019, NM March 19th 2019 and NA on March 29th 2019.

CO hasn't been active for years, lives in UK not Iceland so probably not even able to do maintenance.

The cache had throwdowns for years and only now a reviewer stepped in. I sure hope the cache gets archived so an Icelandic CO can put a cache there (the location deserves it).

 

This cache has 7 Needs Archived logs! :ph34r:

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22 minutes ago, on4bam said:

This cache has 7 Needs Archived logs! :ph34r:

 

 

Sounds like you should petition GS for a local reviewer.  But 7 seems to be a record. I love it that some folks give a dnf saying lamp is gone. Some say Found the missing lamp, um that's not a cache.

 

Full disclosure I logged a find yesterday after finding half of a nano.

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17 minutes ago, MNTA said:

 

 

Sounds like you should petition GS for a local reviewer.  But 7 seems to be a record. I love it that some folks give a dnf saying lamp is gone. Some say Found the missing lamp, um that's not a cache.

 

Full disclosure I logged a find yesterday after finding half of a nano.

BTW, that cache was already mentioned in this thread a few pages ago.

 

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Found itFound it

06/17/2020

Drove up from Harrisburg and parked in the Wally's Parking lot and got the e-bike out. Biked around the area putting on about 10 miles and picking up several caches. Looked around without any luck and seeing the cache has had several recent DNF and the CO is not active I placed a container hanging in a nearby tree. SL

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 1:03 AM, cerberus1 said:

 

It's just one smiley.     But if they felt they had to, who cares ?    ;)   

 

I placed a 1.5/5 for the other 2/3rd's account and never logged it....   I've since adopted it from her, and never logged it beforehand.

I've helped more people place caches than we ever owned.  Never logged one as a find.  All depends on how you feel about that smiley.   :)

 

I've helped hide caches a number of times. For me, it would be silly to log any of them as finds since I didn't "find" them. I didn't look up coordinates, I didn't have to use a GPSR or phone to get to them,  and I certainly didn't have to do any searching to find those caches. Imo, that's not really geocaching...

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728 "finds" to their name

Found itFound it

25 Jun 20
 
Found ground zero easy enough, but couldn't find the cache
 
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Different cache: 
278 "finds" to their name

Found itFound it

12 Jul 20

Found the location but the cashe is gone. We know because we ran into other geocachers who knew exactly where it should be. We agreed on the same place. They confirmed it was gone.

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A newbie who apparently didn't know how to delete a log:

 

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From a recent log on one of our earthcaches:

 

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Didn't answer the questions but climbed to the top!

 

1. The description says the object is on private land and asks you to respect private property.

2. No, that is not how my earthcaches work.

3. Baleeted.

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This makes me so grumpy. Mostly because I have a lot of caches on watch that have had several DNFs including my own. Then along comes one of these people saying they found it. At first, I thought it was real so I'd go back and look again. Now I don't know what to think other than comparing number of finds between cachers. If someone with a large number of finds (100+) says it's not there, then I believe it's really not there.

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18 minutes ago, P4nD0r4 said:

This makes me so grumpy. Mostly because I have a lot of caches on watch that have had several DNFs including my own. Then along comes one of these people saying they found it. At first, I thought it was real so I'd go back and look again. Now I don't know what to think other than comparing number of finds between cachers. If someone with a large number of finds (100+) says it's not there, then I believe it's really not there.

Sometimes it's a mistake, because 'Found It' is set as the default, which is silly. Those can usually be picked up as mistakes by the wording. Some people I think all they need to do is visit the location and they can log a find. Then there are the armchair loggers of course. That these logs are allowed to remain, is all down to the fault to the CO. But if the cache has a string of DNFs, it seems the CO doesn't care less, as it should have been checked before this, and the Found It logs deleted. Occasionally, on very difficult finds, among a long string of DNFs the Found It log might be real. But I wouldn't believe this to be the case for mere "TFTC" logs. In those cases I would expect a more informative log.

I understand why you are grumpy though, as that's how I feel with such loggers, but also with the CO for doing nothing about it. I have placed NM and/or NA logs and written that I believe the Found It log is a mistake. In one case I wrote, "I believe this cache has been missing for some time. The two recent finds do nothing to change my opinion of this." (They were beginners with single digit finds.)

If you really believe the cache is missing, despite a found it log among a long list of DNFs, log a NM and say the cache needs checking.

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50 minutes ago, Goldenwattle said:

Sometimes it's a mistake, because 'Found It' is set as the default, which is silly. Those can usually be picked up as mistakes by the wording. Some people I think all they need to do is visit the location and they can log a find. Then there are the armchair loggers of course. That these logs are allowed to remain, is all down to the fault to the CO. But if the cache has a string of DNFs, it seems the CO doesn't care less, as it should have been checked before this, and the Found It logs deleted. Occasionally, on very difficult finds, among a long string of DNFs the Found It log might be real. But I wouldn't believe this to be the case for mere "TFTC" logs. In those cases I would expect a more informative log.

I understand why you are grumpy though, as that's how I feel with such loggers, but also with the CO for doing nothing about it. I have placed NM and/or NA logs and written that I believe the Found It log is a mistake. In one case I wrote, "I believe this cache has been missing for some time. The two recent finds do nothing to change my opinion of this." (They were beginners with single digit finds.)

If you really believe the cache is missing, despite a found it log among a long list of DNFs, log a NM and say the cache needs checking.

Yeah I can usually tell it's a mistake. In most cases the person will do an oops and post a DNF right after. In my area geocaching exploded from a slump in 2016-2018, which is when I wasn't caching (I signed up in 2006). So now, many caches are missing since it's 2020. All the local people still playing have already found these caches. But I haven't, so now I've become "that guy" (girl) who has to flag all these caches for maintenance years after the last find. I don't go in blazing with my flags and I use discretion if the CO is actively still logging into the site. But since my "vacation" from geocaching I've noticed a huge increase in either "fake" accounts or these types of "found it" people. Many, granted, are probably just young kids, but still you're right, it's up to the CO to regulate. But with the decline in active players, I think a lot of people have the "who cares" mentality.

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Found itFound it

04/05/2020

... all I could find at GZ was a chewed lid. I checked around for the rest of the container, but nothing to be found.
I signed the lid and replaced it on the fence by the tree. 

 

 

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Found itFound it

04/29/2020

took a walk along the waters edge to get this cache before the weeds get too high. We signed the tie wrap since the cache is missing.

 

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Then the next visitor threw down a cache.

The prolific CO stopped geocaching 2 years ago and didn't retrieve his 300+ caches. 

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Found itFound it 03/14/2020

found location.Hide is not there.Placed my coin of 5th pole.

 

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"But We Tried So We Deserve a Smiley" cacher

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Found itFound it

05/02/2010

Note to owner and following cachers at this site: We stopped at this one with skepticism, knowing it hadn't been found for the past 1/2 year and a previous DNF and realizing its difficulty was a 1 1/2. With the box 1 & 2 teams, we thoroughly scoured the area, finding the "obvious" neat place where the container should be. We assumed it was muggled; therefore, we're logging it as a find to justify our time spent here. If the CO disagrees with this, please edit accordingly. Our apologies for not having a container to place here to help the situation. A virtual SL on this quiet little area.

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Found itFound it

08/23/2020

Was up the mountains for the weekend. Decided to get up and at them early to leave Hawley, PA at 6:00 and head over to grab a few more 519. Goal on the day was to score another 30 finds to match my Saturday total. Ended up over achieving and getting a total of 45 finds. all before lunch. Was a successful morning. SL TFTC

Replaced missing cache

 

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On 8/21/2020 at 9:56 PM, barefootjeff said:

This on a 3.5/4 traditional where the whole point of the cache is its retrieval:

 

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I've seen that for a FTF here.  They claimed FTF and stated in their very brief log: Saw it but couldn't reach it. FTF

 

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I'm currently in an area with a huge, huuuge amount of poorly or not at all maintained caches and masses of logs for this category. Here's a selection.

 

 

Cache 1:

Found itFound it (premium member 1055 finds)

Hier haben wir vor zwei Jahren schon mal vergeblich gesucht.
Nun heute wieder unser Glück versucht...vergeblich.
Das Versteck wurde gefunden, deshalb Fotolog.

(translate: searched in vein here two years ago. Tried again today... no luck. Found the hiding place, hence photolog)

 

 

Cache 2:

 

Found itFound it (PM, 2369 finds)

No log book there

Found itFound it (719 finds)

Cacheversteck war leider leer! Ich konnte mich nicht eintragen...😉🙃

(translate: hiding place was unfortunately empty. Couldn't sign)

 

Found itFound it (5 finds)

09/08/2020

Found location, but the cashe is missing

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10 minutes ago, terratin said:

I'm currently in an area with a huge, huuuge amount of poorly or not at all maintained caches and masses of logs for this category. Here's a selection.

 

 

Cache 1:

Found itFound it (premium member 1055 finds)

Hier haben wir vor zwei Jahren schon mal vergeblich gesucht.
Nun heute wieder unser Glück versucht...vergeblich.
Das Versteck wurde gefunden, deshalb Fotolog.

(translate: searched in vein here two years ago. Tried again today... no luck. Found the hiding place, hence photolog)

 

 

Cache 2:

 

Found itFound it (PM, 2369 finds)

No log book there

Found itFound it (719 finds)

Cacheversteck war leider leer! Ich konnte mich nicht eintragen...😉🙃

(translate: hiding place was unfortunately empty. Couldn't sign)

 

Found itFound it (5 finds)

09/08/2020

Found location, but the cashe is missing

Appears there are a log of NMs to be made.

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32 minutes ago, Goldenwattle said:

Appears there are a log of NMs to be made.

 

Yeah, these caches have NMs. I won't go out for at least the first, thus a NA is not something I could place. It's not in my home zone anyway.

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My home zone is NSW,  Australia but I've posted NA logs in Victoria, Tasmania, the ACT, Singapore and Macao.

 

If it needs an NA, log it.

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11 hours ago, Gill & Tony said:

My home zone is NSW,  Australia but I've posted NA logs in Victoria, Tasmania, the ACT, Singapore and Macao.

 

If it needs an NA, log it.

I've done that before. I was once researching some caches in Asia near where I would be visiting. I saw one that was on a small island private resort with armed guards patrolling. Cachers were logging finds because they could see the island but could not access it. I NA'd it and it was later archived. Another was in India where the cache was long gone but there were many Found It and photo logs of GZ. In this case I had visited the site and confirmed the cache's non existence. NA'd then Archived.

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I've never done that - post an NA without being there.  Every one of my NA logs referred to a cache I has physically visited.

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19 minutes ago, Gill & Tony said:

I've never done that - post an NA without being there.  Every one of my NA logs referred to a cache I has physically visited.

I don't think I have either, as a NA is something I am reluctant to do on a cache I have not visited. However, I have posted a few (not many) NMs without a visit. Annoyed that I have felt I have needed  to. Long list of DNFs on easy to find caches, and none of those cachers have bothered to log a NM. It's when I have been exploring caches to find during travel I have discovered these neglected caches. The last one I made a NM on had not been found for 1.5 years, was in an urban area and 1.5D. The reviewer came in after a couple more DNFs and it's now been archived without any response from the CO. Some caches are so obviously missing and have a CO who is not bothered to fix the problem, that a visit is not needed.

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This is on one I had found previously. It was archived by CO right after this log.

 

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Found itFound it

03/01/2019

The day at the Dead Sea was one of the highlights of our trip through Israel.

I had my fingers and my eyes everywhere where the spoiler pictures shows. But nothing to find ☹️. So, I attach an image as log.

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Found itFound it  08/19/2018

Got to final but no container to sign

 

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Didn't find itDidn't find it

13/Sep/2020

Nothing left here after the fires? At least I didn't find any evidence.

 

Found itFound it

07/Jul/2020

Found it but I don’t think it survived the fires

 

Didn't find itDidn't find it

16/Mar/2020

Didn’t fund

 

Didn't find itDidn't find it

16/Mar/2020

Fire affected

 
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Found itFound it

06/17/2018

Out with my sister XXX on Fathers Day. Could not locate this one so placed a proxy cache where we thought it ought to be. Thanks for the fun !

 

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The CO hasn't played since 2016. 2 years of DNFs. No NMs.

Then a caching group came through. They left a throwdown and they all logged a find. The log has a "Helpful" vote. :

 

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Note: After several minutes, like the previous cachers, we were unable to found this one. Because of all the previous DNF and due to the low difficulty level, it seems obvious that the cache had disappeared. So, we decided to replace it with a new container and a new log. We have logged the cache as “found” but if the CO doesn’t agree we will delete our log immediately. 

Great story  Helpful (1)

 
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Apparently the cache was a plastic jar with Minions tape around it, shown in a picture in a log. The lid was missing for a long time, and many people posted that there was nothing inside (no log). Here's the end of the Found Its; after this it was all DNFs, then a reviewer TD, and today an Archive.
 

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Found the 2 refectors but not sure if there was an actual "stache"?

 

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23 minutes ago, Clongo_Rongo said:

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Am I reading that right? Someone who didn't sign the log because they can't retrieve the cache logged a Found It, and suggested the Found log of the previous finder be deleted even though they did sign the log?

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19 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

Am I reading that right? Someone who didn't sign the log because they can't retrieve the cache logged a Found It, and suggested the Found log of the previous finder be deleted even though they did sign the log?

that's how i read it 

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21 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

Am I reading that right? Someone who didn't sign the log because they can't retrieve the cache logged a Found It, and suggested the Found log of the previous finder be deleted even though they did sign the log?

Maybe the"last person's" log was deleted.

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