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Did they get rid of the caches with favorite points for Kilimanjaro? Not seeing it as a separate score today. I logged a virtual with 37 fps and it only gave me 325 as a found it.

It probably shouldn't affect me but on some level it is rather annoying. Example: I'm doing a challenge and 3 trustworthy cachers marked DNFs on a relatively easy to find cache, so I put it on watch. Then suddenly it's receiving all kinds of found logs mentioning a Munzee code and specifically no mention of a container or log. I still need to go actually look for it of course but not as excited about it and completing the challenge remains out of reach.

Hello, I completed the Wonders of the World challenges last year so now I'm doing the Natural Wonders and started today. I logged a found cache with the Paricutin Volcano but it didn't count the volcano as found. I logged the cache using the website, not the app. Is that why? Do we have to use the app? I don't recall having this issue last year doing the Wonders. Edit: I restarted my phone because restarting the app didn't work. Restarting the phone now shows the volcano as found. So going forward maybe I'll just do everything in the app until I complete the challenge.

I only do it when there's enough room for the new log and the old one. I don't take the old log in case the CO wants it. So if it's a nano or something, I just say the log is full and squeeze my initials on it somewhere.

I never used to log DNFs because I figured I would be judged for them...at that time I had under 300 finds. Now I'm starting to play a different way and I DNF every cache I don't find in a reasonable (to me) amount of time. Like if I look for a cache for about 10 minutes but get muggled and have to leave, I won't log a DNF because I feel I didn't search well enough. But in the cases where I have searched and searched and still DNF, I log it, just to remind myself when I look at the map that I have been to that cache spot and can return later for another try. I always put DNF'd caches on my watchlist too after logging the DNF just so I can keep track of them and revisit if it's found by another cacher. I'm not scared off searching for a cache that has multiple DNFs...sometimes I end up finding it. DNF logs are extremely helpful and I wish more people would leave them.

I was going by the cache planning guide when I was hiding which showed my cache placement not anywhere near red circles and totally agree with the OP that it's frustrating to not know until you get a reviewer note saying otherwise. In my case it didn't tell me how many feet I was away from the physical Mystery container. But looking at the map now I can see why the area is totally barren of caches. And that's a bad thing because there are many cool things to see there that one wouldn't really know about until they solved this 5 difficulty mystery puzzle. A traditional cache allowing for many visits from cachers traveling through and getting a smiley > a mystery cache found once every 2 years is how my brain works. I don't understand why it has to be 2 miles....imo seems like a bit much. I never thought of these things until now. So now I gotta go retrieve the container and I'm gonna try to find the mystery cache without solving it since now I have an idea of where it is.

This literally just happened to me this morning and I'm angry.

I've said this on another thread but all the premium caches in my area are just as unmaintained as regular caches. I had a good laugh last night looking at a spot I used to hike that got burned down in a wildfire in 2016. Majority of the caches on that hiking loop are premiums, not found in years (likely because destroyed by fire), unmaintained with active cache owners, and despite multiple DNFs from us premium members, have not had any action taken. They also saturate that whole area so no one can really place new caches. Just lol at even bothering trying to find them at this point. Another reason I won't be renewing my premium membership.

I don't look at how many DNFs I have because of my play style. I log a DNF if I don't find it but I go back and look again at least one more time sometimes twice. If I find it after logging a DNF, I don't delete the DNF log.

what happens when the screws get stripped eventually lol I've always been very wary of opening electrical boxes but I have found little magnetic ones inside sometimes. It's kind of a roll of the dice when you get to one of these and DNF and haven't checked inside the box

I don't think I should really be *mad* about geocaching, and I appreciate that cache owners placing caches continues the fun of the game which has lasted what, 20 years? But I've just gotten back into it after a 6-year hiatus and got Premium. Now I'm asking myself *why* because many premium caches have issues with multiple DNFs spanning a year or more...and somehow it didn't trip any algorithm for a reviewer. My thought is: why place premium caches if you aren't going to maintain them, and why doesn't Groundspeak or whomever prioritize the maintenance of these caches...seems to me that premium caches should have just a tad bit more attention paid to them not only by those who place them but by the website itself.

I understand that they don't appear on the map with the intention that they should not be searched for. But I'm saying, they *do* show up on the map depending on how I'm logging into the site. So what I'm getting at is why not just show them on the maps of all platforms and let us decide whether or not to waste time looking for them or not. Sometimes it's not a waste of time for me, as the cache is in position and is fine and the log is able to be signed. Some people would probably prefer to "filter out" disabled caches so if they showed on the map, that option could be available too, so you wouldn't have to see them.

Yeah I can usually tell it's a mistake. In most cases the person will do an oops and post a DNF right after. In my area geocaching exploded from a slump in 2016-2018, which is when I wasn't caching (I signed up in 2006). So now, many caches are missing since it's 2020. All the local people still playing have already found these caches. But I haven't, so now I've become "that guy" (girl) who has to flag all these caches for maintenance years after the last find. I don't go in blazing with my flags and I use discretion if the CO is actively still logging into the site. But since my "vacation" from geocaching I've noticed a huge increase in either "fake" accounts or these types of "found it" people. Many, granted, are probably just young kids, but still you're right, it's up to the CO to regulate. But with the decline in active players, I think a lot of people have the "who cares" mentality.

If the cache is left in place but archived, then anyone can find it. I don't actively seek out archived caches when hunting, but I do "follow" the OG geocachers in my area, many of their caches archived, and I like to read the logs and look at where the cache was placed. In some cases, personally, I've had caches in my GPS for years and searched for them, found them, and then went to log them only to see they've been archived. I still consider that a fair find and log the cache "found". If an archived cache is still out there in the wild with a log to sign and I find it, I'm signing it

This makes me so grumpy. Mostly because I have a lot of caches on watch that have had several DNFs including my own. Then along comes one of these people saying they found it. At first, I thought it was real so I'd go back and look again. Now I don't know what to think other than comparing number of finds between cachers. If someone with a large number of finds (100+) says it's not there, then I believe it's really not there.

I'm finding out that disabled caches appear in the mobile browser of geocaching.com and the desktop site on the PC, but they do not show up on the app. I am guessing this is because a reviewer or the cache owner has made a determination that the cache needs to be disabled and that's the "official ruling". But I'm one of those cachers who has found many disabled caches in perfect condition with nothing wrong. So I like to read why the cache was disabled but hate switching back and forth between the app and the mobile browser. So maybe I'm the only one, but I'd actually like to see disabled grayed-out cache icons in the app. It would even be cool if disabled caches were a filter as part of the search query. Just my thoughts.

These are really cool!

Thanks! I will try that out.

Due to a problem with one specific muggle, I had to move my cache about 100 ft away, probably a little less than that. So I tried entering the new coordinates and the page refuses to accept them, saying that I need a moderator's help or to contact Groundspeak because the cache has been moved a huge distance away. What?? So I contacted Groundspeak and they said there should be no trouble with moving the cache unless it's more than 500+ ft, yet here I am unable to do so. They also suggested I contact the Cache moderator for my area, but he/she has never responded to any of my previous questions/requests within the last 6 months. This is lame. Any suggestions? Do I have to be a premium member to edit cache coordinates now? I have been caching since 2006 and have never had so many problems with Geocaching until this year.

Just to let you know since you haven't been doing it long, that some people have multiple accounts, so they might "find" it and log it under a different name. Like if they are part of a larger group of cachers they might log it twice, once under the group name, and once under their individual name. Also, they might have waited a while to log it. Some people go a month without logging a find, like if they go on a big trip, and then log all their finds at once. Some people (like me!) find a cache then can't log it until the next day and forget to change the date on the log to reflect when they found the cache. But if none of this is the case, then that means the person "cheated". I believe you have to lay hands on the cache and you MUST sign your name in order to claim the find. If there is no log book in the cache, then the cache technically cannot be "found" until there is proof of finding it. I have found myself without a pen numerous times when caching and had to go on mad searches to find one in order to log my find. Just because someone doesn't have a pen but found the cache, doesn't give them the excuse to log it as a Find. But that's just my opinion.

Moderators (not forum mods) who ignore your questions/requests or if they don't ignore you, they take action without any notification or clarification. Who knew trying to adopt someone else's cache would be so damned needlessly difficult?

Haha if that's a newb thing then I'm guilty as I just figured out this very thing yesterday while hiking. Luckily I wasn't searching for that cache but I did end up realizing the cache on the map is able to be moved! So I had to edit the info and re-enter the correct coords again. This is why writing everything down on paper is so helpful.

Poorly worded response but in the right direction. no, it is not poorly worded. it is exactly what i meant to say. if you wish me to be stealthy at your cache, you will make it easy to reach. if it have to build a platform to reach it, i will. if i have to jump or climb, i will. if i have to bring a stepladder, i will. if i have to make a hands and knees search, i will. if i have to lie on the ground and reach under something, i will. none of these things is stealthy. if you want me to be stealthy, you will not place your cache so i have to do any of these things in order to retrieve it. Agreed. Besides, I don't think "stealth" should be a part of those side options when creating a cache because "stealth" should be inferred in geocaching anyway. Unless you know you're going out into the middle of BFE and no one will be there...but even in my hikes in Big Sur, CA, there have been muggles approaching along trails and even off-trail that have me rolling my eyes while I'm deep into "cache ninja mode".

You know I just thought of something. When I first started caching there were 3 premium caches in the area, now there are none. If more people made premium hides, it would weed out the lazies. I think mine will mostly be premiums from now on.

Yeah unfortunately when something gains more popularity and more people flock to it, they bring with them folks that don't have the same passion we do. I archived all my caches because I was tired of them getting muggled in totally remote areas I never could have dreamed they'd get muggled in. But coming to this forum and especially reading the thread on "awesome containers" I just can't help but feel like I need to create more caches and perhaps put more thought into them. Really like the chewed bubble gum cache idea. I've accepted that muggling is a part of geocaching and many great caches get muggled and all that can be done is to just replace it. I wish people didn't "give up" on caching, because the more passionate folks that stick around, the more they inspire us all to go further, hide better, and make stellar caches.