WaspMan Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Sorry if this has been brought up before but can someone explain to me what this has to do with geocaching and how did it manage to get approved. Whooppps.... forgot the link. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=76606 Sorry... [This message was edited by WaspMan on June 26, 2003 at 12:05 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+canadazuuk Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by WaspMan:Sorry if this has been brought up before but can someone explain to me what this has to do with geocaching and how did it manage to get approved. Ask the hairless rats. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 How did what get approved? Quote Link to comment
+canadazuuk Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by sbell111: How did what get approved? Well what is a fine fellow even if he's made of yellow jello? Could it be that he is what you never thought that he was not! Quote Link to comment
+canadazuuk Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Oops, sorry, your time is up. The GeoClock has stopped. It's a hundred degrees, and that's all she wrote. Quote Link to comment
Max Cacher Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 And the rest of the story is ???????????????? TG Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote: How did what get approved? Noo, what's on second! These changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes; Nothing remains quite the same. Through all of the islands and all of the highlands, If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane Quote Link to comment
Dinoprophet Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Clearly, he's referring to the Groundspeak forums. They have nothing at all to do with geocaching, but since Groundspeak owns both websites, approval was pretty much guaranteed from the start. Well the mountain was so beautiful that this guy built a mall and a pizza shack Yeah he built an ugly city because he wanted the mountain to love him back -- Dar Williams Quote Link to comment
umc Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 It didn't get approved and it has been brought up before ______________________________________________________________________________________ Caching without a clue.... Quote Link to comment
+Stunod Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 There is no precedent for this type of behavior. All approvers should be archived. "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Quote Link to comment
WaspMan Posted June 26, 2003 Author Share Posted June 26, 2003 Sorry guys... forgot the link. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=76606 Quote Link to comment
+Stunod Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I wouldn't drive a VW if you paid me... "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Quote Link to comment
+IV_Warrior Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Commercial Caches / Caches that Solicit What is a commercial cache? A commercial use of the web site cache reporting tool is an direct or indirect (either intentional or non-intentional) attempt to solicit customers through a geocaching.com listing. Examples include for-profit locations that require an entrance fee, or locations that sell products or services. Solicitations are also off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, or social agendas will not be listed. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda. Some exceptions can be made for certain cache types (e.g. locationless) In these situations, permission can be given by the geocaching.com web site. However, permission should be asked first before posting. If you are in doubt, ask first. ---------------------------- My guess would be they checked about and got (probably for a fee) an exception to the 'commercial cache' ban Nothing to see here, move along. Quote Link to comment
+bazzle Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by WaspMan:Sorry guys... forgot the link. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=76606 Hmmmmm looks like a cache for commercial purposes to me . Seems like it flunks one of the basic tests you are right. My mind not only wanders... Sometimes it leaves completely... **Namaste** Quote Link to comment
Bryan Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 This cache and cache description have been revised to better reflect the nature of this authorized commercial geocaching event. Happy Geocaching! Sincerely, Rothstafari Groundspeak Quote Link to comment
+Stunod Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 This would be better posted at a VW site, not here. Just like the "official" line on those Ham Radio events. "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Quote Link to comment
+Mopar Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Stunod:This would be better posted at a VW site, not here. Just like the "official" line on those Ham Radio events. http://208.55.63.109/images/homer.gif __"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."__ I guess I'm missing something, or reading a different cache page then you. I see an event that requires a gps, and involves using said gps to find geocaches. It promotes geocaching. Without gps and geocaches, the event would not exist. Field day is a totally non-gps related event. It has nothing to do with geocaching, and is intended to promote ham radio. It has gone on for decades before there was even such a thing as a gps. If you took away every single gps from every single ham in the world, and archived every single geocache in the world, field day would still happen exactly the same as it has every other year. Not one ham would notice a difference, because geocaching has nothing to do with field day. So tell me again how a VW sponsored GEOCACHING event is the same as Field day? Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon. Quote Link to comment
+Stunod Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I see it as a VW event that happens to includes caching. Limiting it to 36 people?? Limiting it to only people who own VW's?? Don't get me wrong...I didn't support the Ham event either... "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Quote Link to comment
+Bull Moose Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I loves my geocaching, but if driving around Seattle in a VW geocaching is the "adventure of your life" as it says in the clue, you need to get out more. That said, who cares? It has something to do with geocaching - they are all going geocaching. They aren't trying to sell you a VW, they are VW owners (ewww... If I owned a VW I'd try to hide it, not join a club). Insert pretentious quote or saying here. Quote Link to comment
+Harrald Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Rothstafari:This cache and cache description have been revised to better reflect the nature of this authorized commercial geocaching event. Happy Geocaching! Sincerely, Rothstafari Groundspeak If you all look at the profile of the cache placer you wouldn't have any questions about this event cache. Like Roth stated. It's commercial and approved Here's a peek for you Profile for CEO & The BigKid (bigkid) Charter Member since June, 2001 Email this user Alternate email: bigNOSPAMkid@playtimeinc.com Last visit: 6/25/2003 Caches Found/Hidden: 43/22 Travel Bugs Owned/Found: 15/6 Benchmarks Found: 0 Occupation: CEO & The Big Kid with The Old Soul Location: Seattle, WA USA User's home page Background: I'm the CEO of PlayTime Inc., the Official Geocaching Corporate Team Building and Event Provider! PlayTime Inc. creates life-changing adventures, infusing team and leadership skills through technology and adventure. ==================================== As always, the above statements are just MHO. ==================================== Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 VWs???? Now if Jeep sponsored an event, I can see it being the time of your life (and I would drag my butt to it), but not VW. Quote Link to comment
+Mopar Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Stunod:I see it as a VW event that happens to includes caching. Limiting it to 36 people?? Limiting it to only people who own VW's?? Don't get me wrong...I didn't support the Ham event either... I'm guessing you didn't actually look at the page the event links to: quote:Imagine going on an all-day, adult-sized treasure hunt with your Volkswagen as you explore exciting Seattle sites with a GPS (Global Positioning System) receiver. Volkswagen is inviting a select few owners to experience the latest craze in outdoor adventure-geocaching (www.geocaching.com). See the difference? It's an event about geocaching, promoting geocaching. Posting a field day event would be about ham radio, to promote ham radio. And don't get me wrong, I've been involved with ham radio for about 20yrs more then I have been involved in geocaching. I've worked lots of field days, and they are great for raising public awareness about ham radio, especially in emergencies. Every ham in my area is proud of the work we did after Sept. 11th, when almost every other form of communication in the NYC area was crippled EXCEPT for ham radio, mainly because field day prepares us to operate under such conditions. That still doesn't make it a geocaching event Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon. Quote Link to comment
+Stunod Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 And I guess requiring a VW to participate is just like requiring SCUBA gear for diving caches? "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Quote Link to comment
+Mopar Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Stunod:And I guess requiring a VW to participate is just like requiring SCUBA gear for diving caches? http://208.55.63.109/images/homer.gif __"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."__ Well, I DO see it as commercial, but thats been addressed. I also think since it appears to be aimed at promoting geocaching to VW owners, it should be promoted somewhere other then here. The people seeing it posted here already know about geocaching. I would have posted the event cache after the event, to allow the paticipants to log onto the site and log their 1st geocaches. But thats just me, I don't know anything more then I read on the websites. And I have zero say in how either website is run. I don't think a VW only geocaching oriented event is any different then the local event this weekend that requires you to backpack into the location, or the "hydro-event" I'm planning for later in the summer that will require a canoe or kayak. The focus is still geocaching, which if I had any say in the matter would be what determines if it's posted here or not Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon. Quote Link to comment
+Stunod Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Mopar:I also think since it appears to be aimed at promoting geocaching to VW owners, it should be promoted somewhere other then here. The people seeing it posted here already know about geocaching. My point EXACTLY...didn't I say that earlier? quote:Originally posted by Mopar:I don't think a VW only geocaching oriented event is any different then the local event this weekend that requires you to backpack into the location, or the "hydro-event" I'm planning for later in the summer that will require a canoe or kayak. Requiring a CAR would be the same as requiring a canoe or kayak. Saying it must be a VW would be like requiring a particular BRAND of boat. You're not doing that, are you? "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Quote Link to comment
+Mopar Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Stunod, I think we are wandering here. The commercial aspect of requiring a VW is explained and allowed by TPTB. Your comparison to the field day event caches is something totally different. You're comparing a commercial geocaching event to a non-commercial, but non-geocaching related event. One was posted after first getting permission from the owners of this website, while the other seems like at least some are an attempt to force this website to publish something the don't want to (the other threads mention some hams epeatedly submitting the same event over and over many times, each time having it declined). Two totally different things, and really not related in any way I can see. Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Let's just forget about the whole commercial aspect. I seem to remember that TPTB stated early on that commercial endeavors will be approved at the will of the site. This does not seem to be that big of a deal to me. The worst thing that has happened is that a cache that cannot be claimed will appear for a limited time on the closest list of some people. Quote Link to comment
+Stunod Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I was hoping Mopar would go through with the cache for his car club (mentioned in the other thread). I'd rather see a bunch of classic muscle cars chasing caches than yuppie VW's! BTW...which one of the pics is your set of wheels? "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Quote Link to comment
+Woodbutcher68 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I'd rather see classic muscle cars chasing VW's. Then turn what's left of the VW's into cache containers. They'd hold LOTS of McToys! Maps?!? We don't need no stinking maps! We got coordinates! Quote Link to comment
KimAndMollie Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 <planting tongue in cheek> Yeah, and why do VW ads say 'Drivers Wanted' ? Cuz the ones they have can't drive! And I'm talking any ones from Bugs up to the squashed down Bugs (I think they call 'em porches? ) <removing tongue from cheek> Might just be a BC thing where hardly ANYBODY can drive (unless they're from somewhere else, usually east of here)! As far as the event goes, I think it's OK, cuz it DOES promote caching. I guess how you get there matters not, as long as you get there (albeit a little more slowly in a VW ) Long live General Motors!! Real cachers don't smell like Fleecy. Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Since geocaching.com is partnered with Playtime who provides this sort of thing, I don't see it as a problem. I'm sure that they would be willing to strike other similar deals. Also, I wouldn't compare this to the field day cache controversy. It's obvious that they should have both been approved or both been archived. You can't have both co-exist and state with a straight face that everything is on a level playing field around here. Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Seems a bit commercial to me. And unfair, in some ways, that are not in keeping with geocaching guidelines. ie: Limit 36 people, must be VW owner. If you aren't a VW owner just forward to someone who is. I mean it sounds like a nice party and all, but a bit too exclusive for my taste, and my Subaru thinks so too. I'd be interested in seeing how many are coming, and what kind of advertizing VW does for it. Cache you later, Planet So many caches, so little time. Quote Link to comment
+LaPaglia Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Ok, there is something I don't understand. WHY are some of you SO bent out of shape? Whats the big deal. Did someone pass a law that says that Geocaching is no longer supposed to be a fun sport??? Relax, get your GPS and go caching. Don't sweat the small stuff. (hint, this thread is small stuff) Michael Lapaglia Muga Muchu (forget yourself, focus) Quote Link to comment
umc Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Lapaglia:Whats the big deal. Did someone pass a law that says that Geocaching is no longer supposed to be a fun sport??? That law was passed a long time ago, before I started, thats why I hate this "sport", its no fun. ______________________________________________________________________________________ Caching without a clue.... Quote Link to comment
The Falcon Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 How can driving around be a terrain of two? Oh, they're driving VWs....nevermind. I hope this isn't what GCing turns into. Is there nothing that's swoosh-free? I think the best part is the clue. ===== It is the tale, not he who tells it." Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 To me, it's similiar to a "member"s only" cache. It's not exactly for everyone, but it affords a certain limitation and is directed at one group. Same as dive caches, climbing caches and canoe caches. Don't see a problem here. Quote Link to comment
2oldfarts (the rockhounders) Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I might be wrong about this, but it appears to me to be a courtesy on the part of VW to post on GEOCACHING.COM that they are promoting geocaching and the manner in which they are doing so. Just remember there are two rules to life... 1) Don't sweat the small stuff 2) It's all small stuff!! Addicted finder of *old* BM's! Quote Link to comment
+High Desert Fish Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Stramge. Very strange. It seems that some people will approve anything while others are difficult with all virtual caches. It is hard for my caching community when we cannot get any virtual cache approved and then someone gets a really lame one approved, but I was told life is not fair. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Some veteran geocachers might remember the Project A.P.E caches. Totally commercial and a lot of fun for the people who looked for them. They were approved by this website, simply because they can. This is a commercial venture, gang. THEY can approve any commercial cache they want, because they own the site and need to make a few $$$ to keep it going. In a way, it's like my old employer. They could sell you insurance at your desk (it was a major insurance co.), bring in vendors to sell you clothing, food, whatever..., but employees couldn't sell Girl Scout cookies, or solicit for charities on the grounds. But hey, it was their company and their rules. Same here. If you don't like it, go to another site, or start your own. "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry Quote Link to comment
+canadazuuk Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I hope this event cache proves successful! All the best. Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I guess my point is that it should be open to all cachers regardless of whether they own a VW or not. You would think VW would want to target the ones who have not yet purchased one of their products. Ya think? How about those of us who used to drive a VW? I've had a Rabbit, and a Squareback and practically my whole family had a bug at one time or another. Did you know you can fit 12 small ice skaters in a 1966 VW Bug? Three in front (one on a lap) 6 in the back (3 on laps) and 3 little ones way back in the well (I never said it was comfortable). Cache you later, Planet So many caches, so little time. Quote Link to comment
Jomarac5 Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Who cares? If a group of people want to have an event tailored to their specific interest, so what? Why should they open it up to people that don't share their specific interest? Do you really want to go to an event that is about something that you're not really interested in? It's really not going to cause me to lose any sleep. And I certainly don't care if they don't invite me to attend. There's lots of other things that I can be doing. Why all the fuss here? ***** Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Somewhat off topic... I can't help but think of the Fremont Troll when I read this thread. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 quote:Originally posted by sbell111:I can't help but think of the Fremont Troll when I read this thread. Ha ha! Maybe there's something sinister about this event afterall! Quote Link to comment
swanlakers Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Would folks have a problem if this event was sponsored by Garmin (or Magellan?) The way I see it, this is exactly the kind of sponsorship we want, that is, approved by TPTB.(via Playtime) It uses gps, it looks like it might be fun. It sounds kind of like a road rally, and is probably well organized. Lets wait untill after the event and see what it was like before trashing it. by the way, since I live in Tulsa there is NO Way I can attend (sniff) Swanlakers Quote Link to comment
motoXman Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 O.K., VW's, GPSr's, ham radios. No problem. It appears I am the only one here with enough intelligence to ask the only really important question. The issue that truly needs to be addressed. What part of the pig, excatly, do they make ham radios out of anyway? They should put those radios in airplanes, cuz in every "plane crash in the mountains" movie I've ever seen the radio won't work anyway and they have no food. O.K., I know it's a lame attempt at humor in a post that apparently has some folks worked up enough to go torch the neighbors Jetta. Sue me. Flame me. Make me drive a Volkswagen. someday we'll look back on all this and plow into a parked car. Quote Link to comment
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