+Roman! Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Let me start off by saying I have done 8 hr+ hikes to find a couple of caches but I also plan on doing the E.T. highway with some good friends. So, so many people post it's not about the numbers but with out the numbers I sure as heck wouldn't cache, just hike so I call bull. So, reply to my post like this: Numbers matter: 1 Numbers don't matter: 0 Increase your choice by 1. If numbers don't matter then you'd actually keep caching if they got rid of all stats. (I wouldn't) Edited February 2, 2012 by Roman! Link to comment
+The_Incredibles_ Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Let me start off by saying I have done 8 hr+ hikes to find a couple of caches but I also plan on doing the E.T. highway with some good friends. So, so many people post it's not about the numbers but with out the numbers I sure as heck wouldn't cache, just hike so I call bull. So, reply to my post like this: Numbers matter: 2 Numbers don't matter: 0 Increase your choice by 1. If numbers don't matter then you'd actually keep caching if they got rid of all stats. (I wouldn't) IF they got rid of stats, I would probably still cache as long as I could see the smilies on the map. Link to comment
+Lieblweb Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 When you win the GSF (Geocaching State Finals), the GUSC (Geocaching U.S. Cup), the GWT (Geocaching World Tour), or the GO (Geocaching Olympics).... Then...and only then....will numbers matter. No 1st place, no prize, no matter. Link to comment
+Roman! Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 When you win the GSF (Geocaching State Finals), the GUSC (Geocaching U.S. Cup), the GWT (Geocaching World Tour), or the GO (Geocaching Olympics).... Then...and only then....will numbers matter. No 1st place, no prize, no matter. Hmmmmmm, you have a pretty impressive stats/profile page, maybe it's time to delete it. Link to comment
+Manville Possum Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I own and maintain more listings than you. Link to comment
+Roman! Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 I own and maintain more listings than you. Let me update: Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 0 Link to comment
+Planet Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 1 Link to comment
+Roman! Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 1 Actually, I believe you: Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 1 Just explain your title: "Cached in 16 states!" Edited February 2, 2012 by Roman! Link to comment
+Roman! Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 1 Actually, I believe you: Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 1 Just explain your title: "Cached in 16 states!" I've changed my mind: Numbers matter: 4 Numbers don't matter: 0 Link to comment
+Lieblweb Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Hmmmmmm, you have a pretty impressive stats/profile page, maybe it's time to delete it. Sure.....delete away. I have more fun with the memories of the hunts, the enjoyable scenery, the time spent with my wonderful husband..... Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 2 Edited February 2, 2012 by Lieblweb Link to comment
+Manville Possum Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I own and maintain more listings than you. Let me update: Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 0 I understood you. Numbers matter, and I own and maintain more listings than you do. Without members like me there would be less geocaches, and that would mean less numbers for members that their find numers matter. My number of hides out weigh my number of finds, but they are still numbers, and numbers matter. Link to comment
+Roman! Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 I own and maintain more listings than you. Let me update: Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 0 I understood you. Numbers matter, and I own and maintain more listings than you do. Without members like me there would be less geocaches, and that would mean less numbers for members that their find numers matter. My number of hides out weigh my number of finds, but they are still numbers, and numbers matter. Good point, without your numbers my numbers, or others, could/would decrease. My point is, take pride in your numbers, be it finds, hides, terrain rating, most in a day, longest streak, they all matter. Link to comment
+Snoogans Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 2 Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 3 Numbers in the context of this thread do not matter. I am head and shoulders taller than Lee aka Alamogul. I win. Doh! Fizzymagic is taller than me. Good point, without your numbers my numbers, or others, could/would decrease. My point is, take pride in your numbers, be it finds, hides, terrain rating, most in a day, longest streak, they all matter. I do take pride in my numbers. I just don't give one wet flip about anyone else's. Link to comment
+Manville Possum Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I own and maintain more listings than you. Let me update: Numbers matter: 3 Numbers don't matter: 0 I understood you. Numbers matter, and I own and maintain more listings than you do. Without members like me there would be less geocaches, and that would mean less numbers for members that their find numers matter. My number of hides out weigh my number of finds, but they are still numbers, and numbers matter. Good point, without your numbers my numbers, or others, could/would decrease. My point is, take pride in your numbers, be it finds, hides, terrain rating, most in a day, longest streak, they all matter. I do enjoy finding geocaches, but I'm not into numbers caches, but quality fun geocaches. I just enjoy more researching and listing geocaches for others to find. I have some 5/5 listings, and these are the type I enjoy most. I won't list PMO listings, but I normally keep my membership here PM because of the benefits. I also list EarthCaches, Challanges, and Waymarks, so the numbers that matter to me are the number of listings that I own. I take pride in my listings and consider myself to be a history cacher, and I'm quite pickey with my listings that they be historically accurate. Link to comment
+OZ2CPU Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 good luck this "game" can be played many ways and the many ways makes it fun to alot of people no matter what experiance level they are at, there is always alot of new to see and do.. I think it is good the system log and trace and add all things you do to a statistic system, so you can choose to use it or not. heck I tried to see how many I could get in one day, just for the numbers.. one new way to play for me.. and I tried to see how hard and how dificult I could handle too.. now I try to see if I can get all diff combinations solved and found, at the same time I also started to see if I can get at least one a day ! the system show this, and help me to have as much fun as possible, all those extra things add a little extra for me, so YES numbers do matter.. Link to comment
+taggdog Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I am a numbers and stats guy so they matter to me but I know several people who cache that don't even log their finds online. But I would guess the number of those people who actively participate in the forums is pretty slim. Link to comment
+TheLoneGrangers Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 my numbers matter to me, but I dont care about anyone elses. Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) My numbers matter, but not in the over-simplified, binary way that you're expressing them in this thread. A great, massive planet of things matter much more than my numbers and at the end of the day, the numbers are pretty far down on the list. The numbers are not my #1 goal and showing stats does not disprove this. Edited February 2, 2012 by Castle Mischief Link to comment
+briansnat Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If numbers don't matter then you'd actually keep caching if they got rid of all stats I would keep caching without the stats. I log finds to thank the cache owner, inform him of the state of the cache if necessary, share my experiences with other cachers and keep already found caches out of my PQs. Because each time I do it a counter on a website is incremented is of no consequence to me. Link to comment
+SwineFlew Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ok.. congrats to you. Not sure what your point is. Link to comment
+AneMae Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Numbers do NOT matter, quality and the type of experience we have does. Sure I enjoy viewing my stats. I think it is a neat tool that is part of the site. But that is it. And other peoples numbers mean nothing to me one way or the other. If there were no stats I would still Geocache. So anyway, Like Swine has asked. What is your point here? Edited February 2, 2012 by AneMae Link to comment
+Doctroid Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 My numbers matter, but not in the over-simplified, binary way that you're expressing them in this thread. A great, massive planet of things matter much more than my numbers and at the end of the day, the numbers are pretty far down on the list. The numbers are not my #1 goal and showing stats does not disprove this. +1 my numbers matter to me, but I dont care about anyone elses. +1 Link to comment
+Totem Clan Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Numbers DON'T matter. I would cache with or without numbers. I like looking at MY numbers, but I would cache without them. Heck I cache because it's something else to do while I'm out there anyway. Link to comment
+Bamilbis Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 1328171187[/url]' post='4962770'] I do take pride in my numbers. I just don't give one wet flip about anyone else's. I think Snoogans gets credit for changing the tone on this thread. He was first with the "my numbers matter to me and I don't care about anyone else's" line of thinking. Plus, he gets style points for his creative flair on how he said it. I AWARD TWO POINTS TO Snoogans AND DEDUCT ONE POINT FROM THE REST OF YOU WHO QUOTED A LATER POST. Okay, what's the score now? Link to comment
+Gitchee-Gummee Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Maybe numbers matter, maybe they don't Sometimes numbers can be important Large numbers perhaps, but small numbers won't Numbers here, numbers there Sometimes, so it seems There be numbers everywhere If numbers matter to you Get lots and make sure That others see what you do Thrust out your chest Just maybe somebody, someday Will see that you are truly the Best! Numbing is it not To see that you will never be able to top the lot? Link to comment
+ArcherDragoon Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I would keep caching without stats... Link to comment
Clan Riffster Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Since there are several dozen caches which I have found over the years, but refused to log, I think I would fall into the, "Numbers don't mean a whole lot to me" catagory. If I had to assign a value system to my caching it would be based on the positive memories I've accumulated, not the number of smiley faces next to my name. Link to comment
+Totem Clan Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Okay, what's the score now? Numbers matter: 4 Numbers don't matter: 12 Edited February 2, 2012 by Totem Clan Link to comment
+TheLoneGrangers Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 personnally I really enjoy seeing all those caches on the map turn into smileys. =) Link to comment
Dinoprophet Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Coming up on my 10th anniversary. Somewhere in the 380s for finds. Brand new cachers today match that number in a few weeks, sometimes less. I'm clearly not a numbers cacher. If the site didn't automatically total my finds, I would still cache and I would still log accurately. It's my online diary of caching history. So I guess it's now Numbers matter: 4 Numbers don't matter: 13 Link to comment
Dinoprophet Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Some additional, less hypothetical measures as to whether numbers matter to you: Do you enjoy multis even though you only get one find for them? (my answer: yes) Would you look for a cache that isn't listed on this site? (my answer: yes) Link to comment
+supertbone Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 my numbers matter to me, but I dont care about anyone elses. That is how I feel. Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 my numbers matter to me, but I dont care about anyone elses. +1 We have LOTECs, we have log multiple attendeds on events for the temp caches there, we have power trails, we have puzzle caches that encourage couch logging simply for solving the puzzle. Heck you even get a smiley to show up at a beer and wingfest just to tell more lies about your numbers. I know how I got mine and keep track of them. I'm not wasting time comparing that to yours. Link to comment
+Glenn Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 reply to my post like this: Numbers matter: 1 Numbers don't matter: 0 Increase your choice by 1. If numbers don't matter then you'd actually keep caching if they got rid of all stats. (I wouldn't) Since the playing field isn't equal comparisons of "the numbers" is meaningless. I've been geocaching since before the webpage offered a stats page. If the stats page went away I wouldn't care and it wouldn't keep me from geocaching. I do like being able to easily keep track of my personal stats but I don't see how my stats could be interesting or useful to anyone besides myself. Numbers matter: ??? Numbers don't matter: ??? Sorry I lost count. Link to comment
+Glenn Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 So, so many people post it's not about the numbers but with out the numbers I sure as heck wouldn't cache, just hike so I call bull. If numbers don't matter then you'd actually keep caching if they got rid of all stats. (I wouldn't) If the numbers matter then why can't I find your DNF count number listed anywhere on your profile page? Link to comment
+Totem Clan Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sorry I lost count. Numbers matter: 4 Numbers don't matter: 16 Link to comment
+blue_eyedbutterfly Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The numbers mean nothing to me. What matters is the hunt and time spent with family and friends. Link to comment
+Totem Clan Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If the numbers matter then why can't I find your DNF count number listed anywhere on your profile page? There! I just added more numbers to my profile. Thanks for the idea. Link to comment
+TheLoneGrangers Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) If the numbers matter then why can't I find your DNF count number listed anywhere on your profile page? There! I just added more numbers to my profile. Thanks for the idea. I can find DNF numbers, sort by caches and by DNFs, my page says I have 201 entries Edited February 2, 2012 by TheLoneGrangers Link to comment
+hzoi Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 My numbers matter to me. Others' numbers used to matter more. A while after I got started, I noticed that two of my caching buddies in the area had started around the same time as us, so I felt the need to try and keep up with them for a little while. I'm glad I changed my mind after a short time. One now has 2600 more finds than we do, the other has over four times as many finds as we do. I like caching and all, but I like other things, too. Like sleep. Now, I'm idly curious about other people's numbers from time to time, but I no longer feel the need to try and keep up or anything. Link to comment
+Keith Watson Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If it doesn't matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score? Vince Lombardi Anyone who celebrates a milestone I would say it matters to them. It matters to me +1. Link to comment
+A & J Tooling Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 So why isn't this off topic? Seems silly to me. No prize, no bragging rights, no nothin'. Link to comment
tomowens Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I don't care at all what the count of finds / DNFs is, but I like that there is a list kept at GC.com so I don't go searching for caches that I have already found. Link to comment
+GeoBain Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sorry I lost count. Numbers matter: 4 Numbers don't matter: 16 This is the last count I saw. There was an additional +1 and -1 since that post. Numbers do not matter to me either. So the updated count is Numbers matter: 5 Numbers don't matter: -18 But I'm pretty sure the post I quoted made the numbers up so whoever wants to read through everything again and get a proper count feel free to update this post. Link to comment
+ras_oscar Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I care about the numbers, but only as it reperesents me competing with myself. I don't believe I'm a "better" cacher than someone with fewer numbers. Link to comment
+SwineFlew Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I find that some high number cachers are some of the worse cache owners. Link to comment
+nthacker66 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Are we REALLY having this discussion? Link to comment
+hzoi Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 So why isn't this off topic? That's an easy one: no silly pictures or heated political discussion. Link to comment
+Egnix Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I love stats, but that doesn't mean I think a higher number is better than a lower number. I cache for the thrill of the hunt. If the numbers disappeared, I would still be caching the same way I do today. (Well, the find count numbers can disappear. I'd still like there to be numbers for use in coordinates. ) Numbers matter: 4 Numbers don't matter: 17 Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Numbers matter: 4 Numbers don't matter: 17 Letters matter: 1 There, fixed it. Link to comment
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