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I have noticed over the last few weeks and tested it with friends to be sure, we don't get emails when our logs are deleted anymore, is this a glitch in the website or an "on purpose change?"

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I noticed the same thing. I was not notified when I posted a DNF and the owner deleted it several days later. What's up?

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Probably should be asking this in the geocaching.com website forum

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I had not noticed the problem but it could explain why I thought I had more finds than I do.

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I'm curious. Why do you suppose your logs are being deleted? I don't recall ever having a log of mine deleted and recall deleting only one or two Geocache logs in five years.

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I dont mind the log being deleted, I object to not being advised that it was deleted. Probably because I told the owner that the location was just so junked up. Ive been to a lot of GZ and never in such a trash pile. Not that it was his fault. But there were so many other nearby location he could have used.

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Yes. The question was now why the logs were deleted, but why cachers were not notified that the logs were deleted? I had one deleted for mentioning that the final coords were off by 128'. The notification that it was deleted allowed me to relog with "TNLNSL". This notification should be continued.

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I dont mind the log being deleted, I object to not being advised that it was deleted. Probably because I told the owner that the location was just so junked up. Ive been to a lot of GZ and never in such a trash pile. Not that it was his fault. But there were so many other nearby location he could have used.

 

Me, too, just happened yesterday.

 

It was the first really icky place I've been to in years, and I mentioned it - so I guess the cache owner must have taken offense.

 

But I don't know why I wasn't notified that a log was deleted. I only noticed it because a brand new cache popped up on the same page today.

 

Of course, I also don't know why the owner did not just send an email asking me to change my log description, but ... that's a whole 'nuther question.

 

I never pay attention to news from Groundspeak. Is this delete-notification a change I missed, or was it always this way ? Or just today's little bug ?

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I had a log note deleted when I mentioned that the cache was in the COs yard and that

I didn't feel comfortable roaming around in a strangers front yard

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I had a log deleted this last weekend because I mentioned stage #1 of a multicache had issues. I was very kind in my message. The CO had written stage #2 coordinates on a city owned dock in ballpoint pen. I did not get notified of the deleted log either.

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The CO had written stage #2 coordinates on a city owned dock in ballpoint pen.

That sounds like something that should get a Needs Archived log, which will get emailed to the reviewer even if the CO deletes the log.

 

Caches may be quickly archived if we see the following (which is not exhaustive):

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* Caches that deface public or private property, whether a natural or man-made object, in order to provide a hiding place, a clue or a logging method.

Edited by Lil Devil

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It never ceases to amaze me how some folk play this game. But to keep on topic, I too would like to be notified if my log is deleted.

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I hope this is a temporary bug and not the norm going forward.

 

Log deleting is not a big issue but I don't think people should have to continuously audit their finds to see which one has been deleted.

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I'm curious. Why do you suppose your logs are being deleted? I don't recall ever having a log of mine deleted and recall deleting only one or two Geocache logs in five years.

Not that it matters or has anything to do with the original post, but from what I understand, the container was cracked and the log was wet. The owner had disabled it until he could fix it, but the cache was still there and able to be found. The CO apparently didn't like that and deleted the log.

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Do we know if TPTB consider this a bug or a feature?

 

I had a DNF find deleted and only discovered it by accident.

 

I liked the notifications we used to receive.

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I also think that 'log deletion notifications' are important.

I would hope that the CO would respect me enough to send a PM to let me know WHY they were deleting my log, but in (far too) many cases this does not happen.

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I have to agree here. We need to be notified when our log is deleted by the CO.

 

Maybe when the CO deletes the log have a space for them to enter a note that is sent along with the notification of delete. And, require that the note be filled in.

Edited by W8TTS

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Maybe when the CO deletes the log have a space for them to enter a note that is sent along with the notification of delete. And, require that the note be filled in.

Hey, that's a great idea!

 

Still no news from TPTB on the issue? Or is it just a transient "e-mail not delivered" problem?

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... is it just a transient "e-mail not delivered" problem?

 

I heartily agree with W8TTS suggestion...EXCELLENT!

 

Maybe the mail server is being bogged down by sending out notifications of changed logs? :laughing::anibad:

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Maybe when the CO deletes the log have a space for them to enter a note that is sent along with the notification of delete. And, require that the note be filled in.

 

Well, I guess turnabout would be fair play.

 

I foresee a lot of NTFTL entries.

 

("No thanks for the log".)

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I have to agree here. We need to be notified when our log is deleted by the CO.

 

Maybe when the CO deletes the log have a space for them to enter a note that is sent along with the notification of delete. And, require that the note be filled in.

 

I found a cache today that I had previously visited multiple times. I am almost certain that I had logged DNFs on my failed attempts. When I logged my find today, I checked the cache page and the cache has no DNFs at all. I was puzzled. The only thing I can figure is that my DNFs were deleted. Why would a CO delete a DNF log? Previously I had spent quite awhile looking but their coords were bad and I came up empty handed. I was surprised to find that a log deletion did not prompt any kind of notification. Now I wonder how many other logs are deleted :anibad:

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Not getting notification if you log is deleted completely destroys the integrity of the data base. We should not be expected to constantly audit or activity.

 

It would be nice if TPTB would comment as to whether this is a bug or a new business practice.

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Do we know if this has been fixed yet?

Unfortunately not fixed yet. Tested this yesterday.

 

Since this hasn't been working for months, I suggest that in addition to fix this; a feature to get links to your archived log entries should be added. The logical place for this would be here: http://www.geocaching.com/my/logs.aspx

Edited by lq

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Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

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I'm surprised the TPTB hasn't responded yet. This is not good customer service IMHO.

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Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

 

Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

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Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

 

How does that let you find out about deleted DNF logs?

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Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

 

Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

 

Since logging online (or "sharing" as TPTB like to call it) is one of the basic steps of the geocaching experience (according to the Getting Started page) we should not have to use external programs like GSAK and run pocket queries to solve this problem.

Edited by succotash

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Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

 

How does that let you find out about deleted DNF logs?

 

It doesn't for DNFs

 

Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

 

Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

 

Since logging online (or "sharing" as TPTB like to call it) is one of the basic steps of the geocaching experience (according to the Getting Started page) we should not have to use external programs like GSAK and run pocket queries to solve this problem.

 

I am not saying that is an acceptable way around the problem, but until the issue gets fixed there is a way to find out if someone deleted a valid log.

Edited by FunnyNose

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I am not saying that is an acceptable way around the problem, but until the issue gets fixed there is a way to find out if someone deleted a valid log.

 

If someone deletes ANY of my logs they have deleted a valid log, that is the only kind I use.

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Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

 

Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

Can you explain? I have GSAK and I use "my finds" PQ's, how does this let me know if a find log has been deleted?

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Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

 

Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

Can you explain? I have GSAK and I use "my finds" PQ's, how does this let me know if a find log has been deleted?

 

If you have a database of your found caches, containing XYZ number of caches, and after you update it with your 'My Finds' PQ you find it now contains LESS than XYX, then one or more of your finds have been deleted.

 

I won't bother explaining the extra rigamarole needed to figure out WHICH cache(s) have the deleted logs, but suffice it to say this should not be needed if the website is working properly

 

I guess I can now go on a delete spree and remove all the logs of those cachers I really don't care for. They'll never know! :blink:

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If you have a database of your found caches, containing XYZ number of caches, and after you update it with your 'My Finds' PQ you find it now contains LESS than XYX, then one or more of your finds have been deleted.

 

Unfortunately, that won't work if the log is deleted in the 7 day "interim" stage between when the My Finds PQ can't be downloaded.

 

Example: You download your My Finds on Sunday after logging all your weekend caches. On Monday you make a mid-week run for 5 caches. You log them all, but the owner deletes them and you don't know it.

 

Then, on the following Saturday and Sunday you find a bunch of caches. That Sunday evening you download My Finds again. The deleted caches won't show up in that PQ because they're no longer marked was found, and they won't show up in the one from the previous Sunday because you found them after that. When you add in all the new caches from Saturday and Sunday (especially if you didn't really keep track of how many you found ), you may not notice that the count is wrong.

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Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

 

Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

Can you explain? I have GSAK and I use "my finds" PQ's, how does this let me know if a find log has been deleted?

 

If you have a database of your found caches, containing XYZ number of caches, and after you update it with your 'My Finds' PQ you find it now contains LESS than XYX, then one or more of your finds have been deleted.

 

I won't bother explaining the extra rigamarole needed to figure out WHICH cache(s) have the deleted logs, but suffice it to say this should not be needed if the website is working properly

 

I guess I can now go on a delete spree and remove all the logs of those cachers I really don't care for. They'll never know! :blink:

 

Actually, you should be able to sort by last GPX date and any cache with an old date had the find deleted. I don't think GSAK will remove it from the DB unless you've fiddled with the load options to do that.

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I guess I can now go on a delete spree and remove all the logs of those cachers I really don't care for. They'll never know! B)

Really! Oh boy! Oh boy! Oh boy! Here I go . . . :(:huh:

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Yes. The question was now why the logs were deleted, but why cachers were not notified that the logs were deleted? I had one deleted for mentioning that the final coords were off by 128'. The notification that it was deleted allowed me to relog with "TNLNSL". This notification should be continued.

Agreed. It's a handy tool so that you even know you have a problem to fix.

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I am one of the 200 that miss this feature. I am curious why the TPTB have not had any input to this thread.

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I am one of the 200 that miss this feature. I am curious why the TPTB have not had any input to this thread.

 

It worries me that the TPTB remain silent. It also feels a little disrespectful to not at least acknowledge that they have read this thread. If the TPTB haven't read the thread, then I'm even more worried about the management of the geocaching.com site.

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Bumping this to keep it current. I, too, think this is a glaring defect and hope it's a bug and not a planned change. Seems like if it was on purpose, it would have been listed in one of the updates, yes?

 

Fortunately with GSAK and "My Finds" Pocket Query it is a simple matter to fix

Can you explain? I have GSAK and I use "my finds" PQ's, how does this let me know if a find log has been deleted?

 

So my GSAK database of finds is always kept current.

 

I notice my find count has gone down.

 

I load my new "My Finds" query into my database after I click on "set user flag"

 

The entry without the check is the one where the log has been deleted.

 

I got to use this recently when a cache owner decided to retroactively apply an ALR to their cache.

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I am one of the 200 that miss this feature. I am curious why the TPTB have not had any input to this thread.

 

It worries me that the TPTB remain silent. It also feels a little disrespectful to not at least acknowledge that they have read this thread. If the TPTB haven't read the thread, then I'm even more worried about the management of the geocaching.com site.

 

Oh, I have no doubt that TPTB know all about this issue. Mainly because I fired an e-mail to them last night about this very thing.

 

Now, as to why they aren't posting an answer in this forum, I can't begin to guess. Maybe they all went to the Puyallup Fair.

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I am one of the 200 that miss this feature. I am curious why the TPTB have not had any input to this thread.

 

It worries me that the TPTB remain silent. It also feels a little disrespectful to not at least acknowledge that they have read this thread. If the TPTB haven't read the thread, then I'm even more worried about the management of the geocaching.com site.

 

Oh, I have no doubt that TPTB know all about this issue. Mainly because I fired an e-mail to them last night about this very thing.

 

Now, as to why they aren't posting an answer in this forum, I can't begin to guess. Maybe they all went to the Puyallup Fair.

 

Did you get a response? My big concern is they implemented this change intentionally.

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Did you get a response? My big concern is they implemented this change intentionally.

 

If it was intentional, then i probably won't be the only one having to keep my own secondary database of all finds/DNFs. Can't rely on a database where records go *poof* without acknowledgment.

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I am one of the 200 that miss this feature. I am curious why the TPTB have not had any input to this thread.

 

It worries me that the TPTB remain silent. It also feels a little disrespectful to not at least acknowledge that they have read this thread. If the TPTB haven't read the thread, then I'm even more worried about the management of the geocaching.com site.

 

I'm sorry for the delay in responding. I did not mean to keep you waiting.

 

We're aware of this issue and consider it a bug. I'm not sure when or why this change was implemented but we have been making a lot of changes to the way we handle emails recently. I will make sure this is hotfixed if possible, or included in the next release.

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I Noticed this after deleting a few logs for giving out spoilers when I said not to. I did not get a rude email so I knew there had to be an issue.

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