+daytribe Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Occasionally I see logs on caches that say they are a virtual visit. Sometimes they are even dropping off a virtual TB. What does this mean and how does it work? Quote Link to comment
Nediam Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Check out some of the virtual geocoins .... The main idea behind them is to allow other cachers to obtain the icon without having to actually find a real life coin. Edited October 27, 2005 by nediam Quote Link to comment
+The Hokesters Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Who'd do something like that Quote Link to comment
+daytribe Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 Interesting idea, but isn't that sort of like cheating? Quote Link to comment
+Moote Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Interesting idea, but isn't that sort of like cheating? If you think it is cheating then you are taking life too serious Milton (aka Moote) Quote Link to comment
+daytribe Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 Interesting idea, but isn't that sort of like cheating? If you think it is cheating then you are taking life too serious Milton (aka Moote) Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way. It was just an off the cuff remark. I only really wanted to know what a virtual visit was anyway. Quote Link to comment
adrianjohn Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Interesting idea, but isn't that sort of like cheating? If you think it is cheating then you are taking life too serious Milton (aka Moote) So what is the point of it? I may as well stay at home in front of my computer and virtually log a few caches. Then for good measure enter a few random Travel Bug numbers and log them too! If you dont find it, then you can't log it. That's the principle of the thing isn't it? Edited October 26, 2005 by adrianjohn Quote Link to comment
Deego Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Everybody plays their own way Quote Link to comment
+Stuey Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Occasionally I see logs on caches that say they are a virtual visit. That depends if they are logged "notes" or logged "Found it". You can do as many notes as you like as far as I am concerned, but if people log "Found" when they've not been there, then that isn't right... not that I care it's not my figures that are being affected. Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) I was wondering how so many people have several sought-after icons on their profiles! It's SO disappointing to find out how it was done. I'm pleased to say that I don't take the game quite as seriously as those who are so keen to get the icons. It's a pity that they have to bend the "rules" to bypass the inconvenience of actually getting out and finding these things! I feel that the game is degraded a little now for me. HH (edit to break down long sentence) Edited October 26, 2005 by Happy Humphrey Quote Link to comment
+Us 4 and Jess Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) you don't have to move your bum off you computer chair to log my new birthday bug its a bit of fun!! play how you want to play its a game after all Edited October 26, 2005 by Us 4 and Jess Quote Link to comment
Deego Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I want the new EU icon, but I will wait till I can see one in the flesh. Like I said everyone plays their own way Quote Link to comment
+Jan and the Percey Boys Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I want the new EU icon, but I will wait till I can see one in the flesh. Like I said everyone plays their own way well brian it is not long to saturday is it!!! I would never log a cache I've not found but will play with virtual TBs and Virtual Coins But we all have different ways we play the game After HH's role in a certain TB race I could also quote him It's a pity that they have to bend the "rules" .................. I feel that the game is degraded a little now for me. But as I was told at the time it is only a game So if you want to collect virtual TBs and coins great - E mail me seperately about coins no's Bob Leaves stage left muttering to himself Quote Link to comment
Deego Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I want the new EU icon, but I will wait till I can see one in the flesh. Like I said everyone plays their own way well brian it is not long to saturday is it!!! Yep not long at all... Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 After HH's role in a certain TB race There was nothing "virtual" about that! HH Quote Link to comment
+Longfram Kev Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Down completely now ! whoops !! wrong topic..............sorry Edited October 26, 2005 by Longfram Kev Quote Link to comment
+Pharisee Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Everybody plays their own way Oooo....... Bait!!! Goin' fishin' then Brian? Quote Link to comment
Deego Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Oooo....... Bait!!! Goin' fishin' then Brian? I may as well, havent done much caching in the last 8 weeks. (1 in fact) Hay I maybe GOOD at fishing cause I suck at caching Quote Link to comment
+third-degree-witch Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Check out this virtual WHITE jeep ! JPWHFK Quote Link to comment
+bobuk Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Do YOU need a white jeep icon? get yours here..... JPWHFK vitual caching B. Quote Link to comment
+Skippy and Pingu Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Wow! Bobuk has interenet access at the south pole! Must have got on the super fast jet on the way home! Took Pingu 4 days to get back! Quote Link to comment
+bobuk Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Wow! Bobuk has interenet access at the south pole! Must have got on the super fast jet on the way home! Took Pingu 4 days to get back! Got connections Thats what you have with working at the airport. B. Quote Link to comment
SlytherinAlex Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Having put a lot of work into the EU coin, I have to say I'm a bit peeved that people can get the icon just by logging the number from their armchair. Having said that, I'm the biggest proponent of the "it's only a game" ideal and have posted many times on these forums that as long as you are comfortable with how you play the game then it's none of any one elses business. So log Moote's EU coin if you feel comfortable with that, but those who wait to see one in the flesh can have that extra feeling of smugness. Go seek one out. They are worth seeing. No one yet has been able to get a photo of one that does the coin justice. alex. Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm the biggest proponent of the "it's only a game" ideal ...and I think you have the right approach: but if it's only a game, why not play it the way it's supposed to be played? The idea of having a separate tracking number for travel bugs and coins was to discourage logging of things that you hadn't actually found. Only those that take things too seriously will try to find a way around this. I don't really have a problem with that (although it may occasionally annoy me and other geocachers to a minor extent), but will those people please recognise that they might be getting a little too obsessed with the "treasure" at the expense of the "hunt"! I can also vouch for the quality of these EU coins, which are second to none in my experience HH Quote Link to comment
+Billy Twigger Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I see no problem with playing with virtual TBs or coins if that's the way the owner intended. Quote Link to comment
+McDeHack Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Everybody plays their own way In other words...Here we go again... Quote Link to comment
+third-degree-witch Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Nice Worms !!!!!!! now wheres my fishing rod Quote Link to comment
+bullit Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Even though I posted my coin numbers in the public domain in our local SF bay area forum it was intended for locals that would have the opportunity to see them physically at an event at some point in the future. I've asked that my coin numbers not be sent out anymore and added a note to the local forum posts that I only expect locals, who plan to see them in person, to log them. I didn't have that requirement there originally since I didn't expect them to get out like this but I have since added the new requirement to each post. Quote Link to comment
+MR & MRS PotatoHead Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I see some of the virtual coins that are suposed to be in caches in my area have been blocked. Quote Link to comment
+Jonovich Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 What do you mean blocked and how does one block a virutal coin? Any links as an example??? Cheers Jon Quote Link to comment
+The Mars Bars Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 As with most games at amateur level, you can only cheat yourself. It's like knocking strokes of your round of golf! (don't have time for golf anymore btw. Unlike caching it used to spoil a good walk). Can't see the point of logging things that you haven't found just to get an Icon! But hey, whatever lights your candle. There are no prizes to be won in our game, that I am aware of. To be honest I'm not a collector of coins, I like the idea of TB's and enjoy moving them on but the kids would rather find a well stocked cache of plastic "Tat" don't think I'll never get away with "Virtual Tat".. .. ..."here kids come and fight over this imaginary plastic toy" Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment
+Jonovich Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Totally agree with you Dave, although I must point out there is a prize... It's a colourful small graphic called an Icon! J Quote Link to comment
+Kryten Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I place a white jeep in my new cache. The FTF shows up and swaps it for another white jeep. I re-vist the cache, take the new jeep's tracking number but leave the jeep i there for the next finder. Since I didn't take the new jeep is this a virtual or a real find. Is it cheating ?. Quote Link to comment
+Jonovich Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Mr McKryton sir, I do believe you are turning a "Travel Bug" into a "Bug" as it's not travelling anywhere when you do that! Jon Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 McKryton, Relax! It's only a game. You found the jeep in a cache so you can log it - that's the game. It's a real find as you physically found it. Amazing that there were two white jeeps at the cache though, even though it was only for a few minutes. HH Quote Link to comment
markandlynn Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I place a white jeep in my new cache. The FTF shows up and swaps it for another white jeep. I re-vist the cache, take the new jeep's tracking number but leave the jeep i there for the next finder. Since I didn't take the new jeep is this a virtual or a real find. Is it cheating ?. I grabbed a stencil bug and dropped it back into the same cache. You went you found you logged sounds OK to me. This is a variation to the game Sitting at your computer and logging one virtually does however seem pointless. Quote Link to comment
+The Klever Boys Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 A can of worms it certainly is, and like arguments about football, politics and religion, you'll never get everyone agreeing. Although I can understand that some people feel that you should have physically found or held the coin in order to log it, I see nothing wrong with virtual logging if that's what the coin owner is happy with (mainly as a number of owners are reluctant to release the coin in case it never returns). However, I do find it odd that people feel this way, but then quite happily go and log finds for caches such as Radio KAOS (where you have to listen to a radio program and email some answers..never having left your chair), and Änglamarken where you just sit at your PC and find an imaginary cache and claim it as a traditional cache find! Isn't this a bit of a case of double standards? Russ Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Isn't this a bit of a case of double standards? Russ, The difference is, that people log real geocoins as if they're virtuals, which kind of devalues the whole geocoin-collecting game just a tad. Not a big deal, but it just slightly diminishes it for others. If there are some genuine virtual geocoins out there, then I can't see any problem with that at all - but I haven't seen any yet! Do you want to set one up? I wonder if Groundspeak would give it a unique icon? The virtual/locationless caches you mention were designed to be logged like that (Änglamarken does have a real cache as well, but it's two caches really: I guess you can log it twice if you find the physical one as well!). It might be double standards if anyone refuses to log a geocoin that they haven't found but then logs a physical cache that they haven't found! HH Quote Link to comment
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