Moote

Vicarious liability apply to anything and everything you do, this means that ultimately you can be sued, or even arrested on a manslaughter charge for a cache placement, it depends on circumstances and also common sense. So if you place a cache at the bottom of a cliff face, make sure that the top is protected from someone just wondering over the top edge (not everyone caches in daylight) and mention the fact that it is at the bottom of a cliff in the description. If you failed to do that, the liability could fall on you. As for insurance, I doubt you will require it, with the exception of an Event, which as an arranged function actually requires insurance to be legal to hold.

That's always been my point, there is no Smiley, if there was, then it would make more sense, some of the best locations I have visited were Virtuals, and I always thought Locationless were fun, as I use to think for hours about things like, where I'd seen an old fire engine. At last we both are starting to understand a common ground on this.

Aargh! How many more times! If you want to set a virtual at an ancient monument, you've been able to do this for many, many years. It's called Waymarking. Now, you may not be into Waymarking (or virtuals). That's not relevant; the point is that it covers this activity perfectly well as it's a Groundspeak site which allows people to find, list and/or collect loggable locations such as these, without having to place something physically there. Challenges also allow you to do the same thing, although from what I've seen they're a bit more limited than Waymarks and it's hard to understand what they add that wasn't already there (except a count on Geocaching.com, which doesn't appear for Waymarks for some bizarre reason). (Cue the usual... yeah but I don't like waymarks because you have to use a separate web page and they don't update my geocache found numbers, and I can't be bothered to work out how to set one so they don't count!) I have never been a fan of segregation, Waymarking has nothing to do with Geocaching, as you say, you get no Smiley on your Geocaching profile for any Waymarks undertaken, Therefore, it's a pointless objective. I just love the olden days of WebCam, Locationless and Virtual Caches, bring them back I say, but then again many will disagree and would rather look for a Nano on the bottom of a Dog Poo bin in a park.

Andy I was not suggesting you were planning any damage, but as with many caches placed in sensitive areas, some Cachers still think of pulling a rock out of a wall, even if the description says "It's not in the wall"

It really does seam obvious that the UK Geocache Reviewers and Groundspeak, are not in the least bit interested in this, and as such should "put up or shut up" when making comments about links to supermarkets or other useful amenities, on Event pages, the only reviewer to post on this thread washed around the question and did not actually answer it, so this issue can't be that much of a show stopper on Event pages. Moote

Anything which could encourage damage to a SAM should not be allowed, and might even earn you a criminal record. Sadly the American's at Groundspeak HQ don't see this, and abandoned Virtual caches many years ago, and gave us a reincarnation of these called Challenges, these are usually just a BIG joke!

I believe they are fine to carry in hand luggage, as long as you do not stuff the battery compartment with Semtex

I find the Reviewers are less than helpful at providing meaningful information to a simple question. For instance I have asked what would be an allowable way to add links to places link Supermarkets and all that any Reviewer has written has really skirted around the subject, but recently a Reviewer came in heavy handed on a Cachers inclusion on there GC.com event page. If they are not prepared to set a standard, then how can they justify any requests to remove information. There must be some standard, or is it all big secrets that only the grown-ups are allowed to know. Another thing I have noticed is the over zealous editing of post; where a cacher had written "There are so many now... does anybody really give a toss who thay are? " and a Forum Mod edited that to say "There are so many now... does anybody really {content removed by mod} who thay are? " To be honest, the Mod was too over the top, as the word Toss is in no way rude, only if you make it rude in your own tiny mind. So lets start respecting the None-Mod / Reviewer Geocacher, after all life without stress is far better than stressing yourself because the children have been a little cheeky!

Well that is an assumption that people have a Sat Nav, and that their POI's are up to date for that area. Also travelling long distances you do not want to be carrying things like eggs, milk, cheese, meat etc It's far better to get then when nearer, Fresh is Best If people are going to a geocaching event it's not unreasonable to assume they have a GPS of some form. Aside from that you make good points, I'd rather buy things like milk and eggs locally than travel any great distance with them. Oh I agree they'll more than likely have a GPS, but they don't usually come with every POI you might require, and popping a set of Co-ords on the cache page to the local Tesda or Morrisbury's supermarket would aid its pre-event population.

Personally I think any bag around a cache is not nice, even Camo bags appears to help maintain a moist grab, Camo duct tape or Camo webbing is probably better. Bur ALL plastic bags are a BIG NO

This event appears not to follow the rules we follow in the UK, very expensive $70 a night and also Campers only, if my Degree in French serves me correctly http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=2efbf42f-22b8-494a-bb0e-527d0587ac02

Please can I pull this back on topic, the original question was pitted to the Moderators, Reviewers, and Groundspeak, whilst I'm happy for opinions of others on the matter, you have pointed out yours and I wholly respect your point of view, but that does not get to the bottom of what would be allowable in terms of information that can be supplied, without upsetting the powers that be. There is already a valid method of placing parking information, it's up to cachers to use that.

Oh this is far from a rant, it's well augmented

I seriously didn't think my thoughts in this case were very constructive, just a little bit of humour. For what it is worth, you have so far got my support on what you are trying to get a proper understanding of. Hang on did I just say I agreed with Moote? Flippin Eck!! As long as you stay on the lines you are at the moment that support shall remain. eedit fir speeling HH > Haggis Hunter Ah you posted whilst I was in full construct, I meant the other HH > Happy Humphrey, but thank you for the support

Thanks Graculus I understand the use of linking to an event webpage, such as Pirate Mania has done in the past, and see the benefits of that, but to many it is hard enough setting up a perfect page on Geocaching.com Would this kind of link and description be OK. A local supermarket can be found by clicking Here (Oh by the way that just a totally random place just provided for this example) It was suggested that just going to your favourite Local supermarket website you could do your own search, but there are places up here in the North which do not have one of the Big 4, in fact Lancashire has a lot of a particular shop which is not found much outside the boundary of Lancashire and Cumbria, In fact it does tend to be the main Supermarket for many Lake District towns, so you might struggle if you are unaware of its name, so that in itself is a mountain to climb. ferreter38, Some people like fresh, you like to travel with your goods, that's your choice, other people prefer doing some if not all of their shopping local to the event, this is particularly important to tea drinkers, who prefer the tea blended for the water area, Yes that right, BG Tips, in London, is different to BG Tips in Manchester, to account for the differences in water. Also if you are travelling by Bus, Train, Plane or walking, you would probably want to not carry too much, not all Cachers have a car. Team Clova As mentioned in an earlier post of mine, it would not be unusual for the event organiser to gain local knowledge before, or soon after setting the event, this is the kind of thing which they usually (If a good event organiser) ask the camp site owner, and to make it easier on the site owner, disseminating this information would certainly make it far easier for all concerned, and help people who might be considering attending, but would require this kind of info before committing. Marty and Bongtwashes, this is along the lines I'm thinking HH Thanks for the input, it's nice to hear your thoughts, they always make total sense, and I can't argue with your thoughts on this, I just wonder if Groundspeak would agree with them. Thanks all for your input Moote

Well that is an assumption that people have a Sat Nav, and that their POI's are up to date for that area. Also travelling long distances you do not want to be carrying things like eggs, milk, cheese, meat etc It's far better to get then when nearer, Fresh is Best

In response 1. Research sometimes does not give the best results, and why not be helpful, at least giving a starting point for people? 2. I'm sure the warden would be grateful for the Event setter to ask, and disseminate the answer, rather than have a string of long calls or letters / emails to answer. Many sites do not have a welcome pack, and again asking other campers is not always the best thing, as many will be looking also. 3. It's foolish to assume you will get a decent signal on any mobile device, especially the further you travel from a large populated area, recent BBC results showed many country areas only had 2G reception if any. 4. If I have driven a couple of hundred miles, I want to be able to relax, not go on a reconnaissance mission, but knowing where I can just do a quick stop is useful, and helps to a quick end to the journey.

What I was thinking was maybe a generic Supermarkets can be found Here, Here, and Here, a Farm shop Here, and Petrol stations Here And each here was just a link to a Google Bing or other mapping page for general location / directions and no use of Trademarked names. But I really need Groundspeak's input on the matter, I think they need to set the standard straight, to help prevent any upset.

Hello Reviewers, Moderators, and the all round general Good guys of Groundspeak. Could you please give some general guidance on how to point out the location of various amenities, in and around event locations, on a Event page . Usually this information is very useful for people who might be travelling 100's of miles to an event. These might include, but not limited to, Camping shops, Supermarkets, Newsagents, Petrol Stations (Just in case one of our American cousins see this, that's a Gas Station) Kindest of regards Moote

Usually this kind of venture you would appoint an Independent Trustee to over see the accounts, this person (Usually a Solicitor or Accountant), this person would liaise with the Committee, or at lease the Treasurer, and oversee all Financial transactions in the form of a submitted account, this is a terribly important thing to do if you are also dealing with 3rd party donations to Charity, as it can avoid such actions like litigation. A wise move would be to make the venture incorporated as a non-profit making business organisation, and submit your accounts to a Accountant at the appropriate time. They also would make sure that you had both the correct Event and Public liability insurance, which is an absolute minimum legally, as by taking on a venture with any financial implications in any form they would be required. Moote

Well lets hope that this Reviewer, is not as rude and objectionable as the two reviewers who have recently posted on a cache which I have read the logs. Personally I found the tone and attitude of one of the reviewers to be somewhat disturbing, and publicly chastising a person is FAR from a good thing.

Great News I welcome this with open arms

slight difference there eh? Not at all, 1. The original post included the name of an "adult actress" 2. The Picture is a picture of a lady who is known to work in the world of "adult entertainment" 3. The Tee shirt in the picture is for a commercial "adult entertainment" website 4. The gesture of the hands around the GPS is commonly used to symbolise a ladies private areas. Children visit this site on a regular basis, and we should not introduce them to these subliminal messages. I think you need to get out more, and I don't mean the moors... To be frank with you, this is a family website, and placing a picture of porn queen, with symbolism of a sexual nature, and a tee shirt which is aimed at Adult entertainment, is far from appropriate for here.

slight difference there eh? Not at all, 1. The original post included the name of an "adult actress" 2. The Picture is a picture of a lady who is known to work in the world of "adult entertainment" 3. The Tee shirt in the picture is for a commercial "adult entertainment" website 4. The gesture of the hands around the GPS is commonly used to symbolise a ladies private areas. Children visit this site on a regular basis, and we should not introduce them to these subliminal messages.

I REALY can't believe I'm saying this - - - but - - - I agree with Moote see : A tongue in cheek response by SP doing what he was 'asked' and he gets flak over it?? Come on peeps! So using your logic, if I suggested some obscene act with a donkey, then it would be OK for him to post a picture of one?