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Well, that was easy - one button click and I'm entered!  I thought, for some reason, there was a form to fill out, or an "application" of some sort, but apparently not.

 

I was happy to see this promo; I'd love to create a Virtual cache.  All of my caching activity (hides, finds, logs) has been since March 2017, and I've collected a fair number of favorite points on my handful of hides.  It would be awesome to be selected, so we'll see what happens!

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2 hours ago, arisoft said:

If you really are so busy with your old hides that you can not make any new caches, why would you even think about a new virtual cache? It takes even more time to maintain than a traditional cache.

Do you not understand why this is called a reward?

 

(By the way, this isn't about me, in case you were confused about that. I'm on the other end of the spectrum: I don't deserve a reward at all, but, by chance, I qualify.)

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3 hours ago, dprovan said:

I'm not complaining, since, as you say, nothing's going to make everyone happy, but it makes me wonder why that clause requiring a hide in the last few years was added.

 

I'm thinking perhaps so that people who qualify are up to date on / aware of / familiar with current cache hiding guidelines.

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1 hour ago, dprovan said:

Do you not understand why this is called a reward?

 

I have the same question in my mind. This is a reward for what?

 

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Virtual Rewards 2.0 ! We are inviting all qualified cache hiders to sign up for a chance to create a new Virtual. We plan to randomly select up to 4,000 qualified geocachers (with geographic distribution).

 

It seems to be a reward for being a qualified cache hider. If you are not qualified you can not be rewarded for that. :D

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2 hours ago, thebruce0 said:

I'm thinking perhaps so that people who qualify are up to date on / aware of / familiar with current cache hiding guidelines.

It doesn't really insure they're up-to-date, of course. It might just mean that what they're in the habit of doing doesn't happen to violate any guidelines. But even to the extent it does, it reflects knowledge of the current guidelines for traditional caches, and there's very little overlap between that and the guidelines for virtual rewards. So, as I said, it seems more a way of making sure they couldn't be called "inactive" then a way of improving the chances that they're virtual reward will be any good.

 

1 hour ago, arisoft said:

I have the same question in my mind. This is a reward for what?

It's a reward, so that's why someone that has decided they have enough normal caches would, nevertheless, want to take on the addition burden of maintaining a virtual one. It doesn't matter whether you understand what it rewards.

 

(Although I'm really just stipulating your argument for the purposes of discussion. There's not really any validity to your premise that someone that has plenty of good caches is not planting more caches because they're too busy. There are any number of reasons someone might decide to stop hiding caches, and being too busy to support additional caches strikes me as one of the least likely. Most likely is that they've done all they want to do with normal caches, and if that's the case, there's every reason to expect them to want to tackle the novel challenge of a virtual cache.)

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10 hours ago, MBFace said:
22 hours ago, Corp Of Discovery said:

Do events count for the caches hidden part?

 

21 hours ago, niraD said:

"Ownership: You must own at least two active non-event geocaches."


Hidden doesn't have the non-event condition (or active either).  My only hides over the specified time period were events and my entry has been accepted.  I gather from elsewhere that I would have got a rejection at this stage if I didn't qualify.

This is what I meant. I too have only 'hidden' events in the last 4 years. I don't hide many caches so have to have a good reason or be greatly inspired to. I applied and did not get anything saying I wasn't eligible so will keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best. :)

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Joined 1/3/2018, caches hidden 140 (63 traditional,  1 multi, 2 events, 70 mystery, 3 earthcache and 1 Wherigo) favorite points earned 143, finds 0.

 

Disqualified for not logging any caches. LMAO, publishing 140 caches in 16 monthes, nope not active.

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2 hours ago, CelticShoresTrails said:

Joined 1/3/2018, caches hidden 140 (63 traditional,  1 multi, 2 events, 70 mystery, 3 earthcache and 1 Wherigo) favorite points earned 143, finds 0.

 

Disqualified for not logging any caches. LMAO, publishing 140 caches in 16 monthes, nope not active.

 

Where does the criteria say you have to post a Found It?  Does your hiding account post any logs for your owned caches?

 

Activity: You must have posted a log on a geocache within the past four months

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13 hours ago, dprovan said:

Do you not understand why this is called a reward?

 

my opinion is that this is not a reward at all, it's just very controlled release of 4000 virtual caches..

you don't get rewards by random chance for meeting minimum criteria,

if that would be the case medals in olympics games would be given away randomly to athletes who are good enough to enter olympics

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 @CelticShoresTrails  the requirement is for a log in the last 4 months,  not a Found it!  You archived a cache of yours recently. That  log meets the requirement.

 

Sad that yours was one of a handful of caches where the reviewer note logs remained on the page on publish that April weekend.  Puzzle spoiled. 

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2 hours ago, ashtri_ said:

 

my opinion is that this is not a reward at all, it's just very controlled release of 4000 virtual caches..

you don't get rewards by random chance for meeting minimum criteria,

 

 The word reward implies the thing given is in return for something: fulfill a task, get a reward. The dog sits up  and begs, it gets a biscuit reward. If the  criteria the giver chooses to reward are low, that's up to them, but it's  still  a reward.

 

Award, on the other hand, is the word for a gift which does not imply set criteria , so although it's a less accurate term here, given there actually is a bar to entry, perhaps  it would be a better choice because once the criteria are fulfilled, we are told most of the recipient selection will be made randomly.

 

Inaccurate vocabulary aside ( souvenir moments anyone ?) I'll guess little thought was given to doing anything other than calling these "rewards" simply because the last lot were called rewards.  At least the flawed algorithm which handed out 4000 opportunities to make virtuals but only resulted in 2,668 of them actually being set has been discarded, and some of the suggestions given here in the forum have been implemented (specifically the opt in, and requirement for recent activity . ) No, de nada, don't thank us for the good advice, we know what we did  ...

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21 hours ago, p0cy said:

But those virtuals caches should be reserved for places where it is not allowed or impossible (impossible >< difficult) to place a physical container and not be the virtual equivalent of a "micro at the foot of a tree".

 

I could have placed a physical cache in the location I opted to put mine but maintaining it would have been too time consuming as the drive down was the big deterrent.  That's why I opted for my virtual placement.  It's such a cool spot, I wanted others to see it, but the maintenance expectations I place on myself would render it untenable.

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4 hours ago, ashtri_ said:

my opinion is that this is not a reward at all, it's just very controlled release of 4000 virtual caches..

you don't get rewards by random chance for meeting minimum criteria,

if that would be the case medals in olympics games would be given away randomly to athletes who are good enough to enter olympics

My point was that it's a reward -- an extra perk -- so obviously most people will try for one and want to hide it if they get it. I was saying that to counter the suggestion that people maintaining lots of caches should be ho-hum about getting special permission to hide a virtual. Whether the reward is valid or deserved or the correct term doesn't change the fact that it will have a special value to those that receive one.

 

But, in fact, I do get rewards for meeting minimum criteria. Going to a coffee shop once in a while, for example.

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1 hour ago, GrateBear said:

Applied, but with a less than 8% chance of success, not making any plans......

 

I had to make my plan before I decided to apply.  I think it would be a good one.

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6 hours ago, GrateBear said:

Applied, but with a less than 8% chance of success, not making any plans......

At least an 8% chance. Potentially more if not all of the qualifying cachers decide or are able to sign up to receive one. Best not to count one's eggs before they are hatched, but it is nice to fantasize about some of the more fantastic locations for a virtual. Good luck to you!

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6 minutes ago, TheLimeCat said:

At least an 8% chance. Potentially more if not all of the qualifying cachers decide or are able to sign up to receive one. Best not to count one's eggs before they are hatched, but it is nice to fantasize about some of the more fantastic locations for a virtual. Good luck to you!

 

Yes, I suspect a lot of those who qualify but don't visit the forums or subscribe to the newsletter won't know about the offer or, if they do, might not be interested in applying. We'll find out soon enough, I guess. My main hope is that someone in my region might get one (it looks like we have about ten qualifiers), as last time we missed out completely (there were only 23 new virtuals in my whole state and 9 of those were in Sydney).

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Just now, barefootjeff said:

 

Yes, I suspect a lot of those who qualify but don't visit the forums or subscribe to the newsletter won't know about the offer or, if they do, might not be interested in applying. We'll find out soon enough, I guess. My main hope is that someone in my region might get one (it looks like we have about ten qualifiers), as last time we missed out completely (there were only 23 new virtuals in my whole state and 9 of those were in Sydney).

Truth be told, my area got far more than our fair share in the past event. Something like 24 within 50 miles. I do hope areas like yours are treated preferentially, and it seems that they might be. That said, I have still applied in the hopes of introducing a new one somewhere near Mount Rainier. I saw your proposed location and it looks quite nice. I would rather see 1 unique remote virtual than 5 in a major city, though that's just my preference. 

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1 minute ago, TheLimeCat said:

I would rather see 1 unique remote virtual than 5 in a major city, though that's just my preference. 

 

I agree. I did a few old virtuals around central Sydney during the recent creative cache promotion and wasn't all that impressed - most were just "take a photo of yourself with X in the background" where X is some object of interest around the harbour. No doubt very popular with tourists, but for someone who grew up in Sydney, not so much.

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5 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

 

Yes, I suspect a lot of those who qualify but don't visit the forums or subscribe to the newsletter won't know about the offer or, if they do, might not be interested in applying. We'll find out soon enough, I guess. My main hope is that someone in my region might get one (it looks like we have about ten qualifiers), as last time we missed out completely (there were only 23 new virtuals in my whole state and 9 of those were in Sydney).

I don't subscribe to any e-mails and hadn't read the forums for a few weeks, but still got an e-mail - which was a slight surprise.

 

I don't know how many people actually read their e-mails (or, at least, the e-mails from Groundspeak), but this does seem to being publicised fairly directly.

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10 minutes ago, Blue Square Thing said:

I don't subscribe to any e-mails and hadn't read the forums for a few weeks, but still got an e-mail - which was a slight surprise.

 

That's puzzling because the email I got had an "unsubcribe from receiving these messages" link in it.

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1 hour ago, barefootjeff said:

 

That's puzzling because the email I got had an "unsubcribe from receiving these messages" link in it.

Oh yes, so it does. But then in the e-mail preferences bit I've got all the e-mail options unticked.

 

Perhaps they felt this was relatively important and would send it to everyone anyway, I don't know. But if I got it then I would imagine that everyone did so. That's fine by me for this - I obviously get log notifications but I really don't recall the last time I got a general e-mail from GS (and a quick inbox search suggests not since 2014 at least).

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On 5/17/2019 at 6:30 PM, Harry Dolphin said:

 

I had to make my plan before I decided to apply.  I think it would be a good one.

Well, I actually do have a plan, but I'm not planning the actual details yet.  Well, maybe a little, but not a lot.  Chosen or not, I'm still pleased that they are doing this again.  The ones I've found from the last time have been quite nice and interesting.  

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On 5/17/2019 at 12:14 PM, ashtri_ said:

my opinion is that this is not a reward at all, it's just very controlled release of 4000 virtual caches..

 

And you've made that clear twice.  Duly noted.

 

Make sure not to apply for one to avoid having the ignomy of owning a virtual cache thrust upon you.

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