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Gas prices affect everything that is bought and sold, due to an increase in transportation costs. It also limits travel for people wishing to visit areas and spend money, preventing any stimulation of the economy. The previous rise in gas prices is what precipitated the downturn, and the economic crisis at the end of 2008.

 

It it predicted that here will be a continuous rise in gas prices due to the turmoil in the middle east, which will cause a much larger economic crash at the end of 2012 after the Jeb Bush/Palin ticket wins, but just before they take office. Many ATMs will stop working and other mayhem will ensue. Enjoy the cheap travel and grab the caches now while you can. :ph34r:

 

Gas prices will rise... Yes.

The world will end as we know it. Unlikely.

 

Gas was 0.21/gallon in 1928. It rose to 0.26/gallon by 1948.

So..... I'm gonna take the above as a joke.

 

The price of gas in Venezuela is only 23 cents per gallon.

You would think that they would export more to make money, but they dont because they cannot. There is no competition in the oil industry. The last time gas prices soared, oil company profits soared also. When you have record prices, and record profits at the same time, that indicates that there is no competition.

 

Some competitions are good, and some are not. When there is no competition, creativity follows. The oil companies are trying to get creative in their excuses to raise prices again. Similar to creativity in caching which dies when people start competing against each other, using cut and paste logs and similar hides. More business competition is good, but not in a hobby environment such as caching.

 

The price of gas in Canada, where I live is $4.99/gallon today. Mind you, like the UK most of that is tax. Canada has twice the oil reserves Venezuela has. Why exactly does Libya affect the price of gas at my pump? Well for starters most of the gas in the Toronto area comes from .... Venezuela, not Alberta. Really makes ya think.

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Let's say you have a 15 gal. tank. Now let's say the price is up $.50 per. gallon over last year. That means a tank of fuel is $7.50 more than last year. OK. How much fuel did you use on an average caching trip last year? Half a tank? That's $3.50 more that it will cost this year. Is that really enough to stop you from having all that fun?

That's only for one "caching trip" so if you do that 100 times in a year, there's an extra $350 on top of whatever it used to cost.

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Here in the UK, petrol(gas) is currently £1.28/litre (

 

Going on todays exchange rate of £1 = $1.60

 

That makes One US gallon (3.785 Litres) = $7.75

 

and one Imperial gallon (4.546 Litres) = an enormous $9.31

 

I'll swap you all day long and twice on Sundays

 

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BUT ,, the main complaint here is the fact that the petrol(gas)is £0.32/litre the rest is TAX

 

I was just doing the calculations myself - you got there first! :lol:

 

MrsB

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Let's say you have a 15 gal. tank. Now let's say the price is up $.50 per. gallon over last year. That means a tank of fuel is $7.50 more than last year. OK. How much fuel did you use on an average caching trip last year? Half a tank? That's $3.50 more that it will cost this year. Is that really enough to stop you from having all that fun?

 

That's exactly the same logic I used when I was deciding between a hybrid and an SUV. Why would I want to drive something powered by hamsters. I went for the big extra cylinders and ignore the gas prices as I cache.

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For once I agree with narcissa that much of this is fueled by market speculation and profit mongering. According to the most recent US Gummint data, Libyan imports represent less than .05% of our imports over the past three months. So why the reactionary price hikes? :mad:

Because they can. Bastiges.

 

I also agree with the OP and plan to get to the fun further away caches sooner instead of later, in case I do have to cut back on recreational driving. That's why I'm headed to the desert outside of LV in a few weeks. :lol:

 

While I agree that market speciulation is a major cause, the lack of Lybian imports is oversimplifying it. Oil is a pure commodity.

Yes, the US buys little Lybian oil. But others buy a lot. If it gets cut off, those that rely on it will drive the price up quickly trying to find replacement oil.

The speculators know this and drive the price up on all oil.

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Let's say you have a 15 gal. tank. Now let's say the price is up $.50 per. gallon over last year. That means a tank of fuel is $7.50 more than last year. OK. How much fuel did you use on an average caching trip last year? Half a tank? That's $3.50 more that it will cost this year. Is that really enough to stop you from having all that fun?

That's only for one "caching trip" so if you do that 100 times in a year, there's an extra $350 on top of whatever it used to cost.

 

My theory is that I can realistically do caching trips lets say May through October and only once on a weekend and I don't go every single weekend. So that's potentially 20 trips and lets say I do 15. It's not going to impact me that hard especially if I incorporate it with stuff I'm already doing in the area where I'm caching which is what I usually do.

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Here in the UK, petrol(gas) is currently £1.28/litre (

 

Going on todays exchange rate of £1 = $1.60

 

That makes One US gallon (3.785 Litres) = $7.75

 

and one Imperial gallon (4.546 Litres) = an enormous $9.31

 

I'll swap you all day long and twice on Sundays

 

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BUT ,, the main complaint here is the fact that the petrol(gas)is £0.32/litre the rest is TAX

True, we've got a little further to drive her, remember. Most of our states are larger than your entire country, and right or wrong, our society has been built around our ability to commute for long distances. We still probably spend at least as much on petrol as you folks do.

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Let's say you have a 15 gal. tank. Now let's say the price is up $.50 per. gallon over last year. That means a tank of fuel is $7.50 more than last year. OK. How much fuel did you use on an average caching trip last year? Half a tank? That's $3.50 more that it will cost this year. Is that really enough to stop you from having all that fun?

That's only for one "caching trip" so if you do that 100 times in a year, there's an extra $350 on top of whatever it used to cost.

 

I'm already close to my limit. Not sure how much longer the pocket can spare all that extra fun. :)

I don't do C&Ds. My other 2/3rds likes to see if she can find 'em - and that's more than fine by me. She could play for weeks and never seems to get our "ten miles" cleared. They seem to be the norm now, with longer walks few (and very) far between.

 

I like to hike and hit 4+ in terrain. I've had most of the gear for years, so I never really considered those costs excessive. Replacements are just part of the hobby.

If I want to hike and cache though, I'm already around page 34 on "nearest to home". A one way trip is now around 50-70 miles. I get home to fill the half-tank used, it's around forty bucks. If I went out every Saturday to hike, we're talking One sixty a month now. Becoming an expensive hobby (for me) in gas alone.

I have the AT a little more than two miles from me. Hiking there would mean nada in cost. So yes, it would affect my geocaching if gas continues to climb.

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One question to put the increase in gas costs into perspective. How much did everyone here spend on GPSrs, hiking gear, cache containers, logbooks, pens, camouflage, swag, and DEET?

 

Most items are bought once, or are used for years before they need replacement.

The others are cheap, negligible in cost.

They don't compare to gas costs, which are added each time you go out.

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True, we've got a little further to drive her, remember. Most of our states are larger than your entire country, and right or wrong, our society has been built around our ability to commute for long distances. We still probably spend at least as much on petrol as you folks do.

 

I cannot follow you as geocaching (not the daily life) is concerned. Why do you need to drive larger distances for caching when your country is larger? You do not need to find all caches in a state. The cache density in an area does not depend on the size of the country it is located into.

 

Cezanne

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True, we've got a little further to drive her, remember. Most of our states are larger than your entire country, and right or wrong, our society has been built around our ability to commute for long distances. We still probably spend at least as much on petrol as you folks do.

 

I cannot follow you as geocaching (not the daily life) is concerned. Why do you need to drive larger distances for caching when your country is larger? You do not need to find all caches in a state. The cache density in an area does not depend on the size of the country it is located into.

 

Cezanne

 

you have to look at it from the bigger picture...geocaching is a hobby, first and foremost we have to drive to work

for those on a budget, the fact that over in NA we have longer distances to travel for work the hike in the gas prices eats into the entertainment budget

nobody is going to stay home from work to save the gas so they can go geocaching, well maybe not nobody, but you get the idea

 

at least that is how i interpret knowschad's reply, we certainly need a bigger allowance for gas here in NA

last year i got a new job and for almost 3 months i drove 75km's one way until i moved closer, but i have someone i work with that has been driving that distance for the past 10 years, and no, not everyone is able to just up and move

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you have to look at it from the bigger picture...geocaching is a hobby, first and foremost we have to drive to work

for those on a budget, the fact that over in NA we have longer distances to travel for work the hike in the gas prices eats into the entertainment budget

 

You are right and I am well aware of that, but that's the reason why I asked my question only with respect to geocaching and the size of the country.

 

last year i got a new job and for almost 3 months i drove 75km's one way until i moved closer, but i have someone i work with that has been driving that distance for the past 10 years, and no, not everyone is able to just up and move

 

75km one way to the work place is howeever also not too uncommon in European countries for those leaving in rural areas (which hardly offer any job opportunities) and gas prices in the UK are not the highest in Europe. Some can at least partially rely on public transportation, but many cannot. The increasing gas prices do hurt the people who are on a tighter budget worldwide.

I agree, howeever, that for many aspects of daily life (shopping and many other things) larger distances have to be driven in NA than e.g. in Middle Europe. The focus of my question was, however, only with respect to distances driving while going for geocaches.

 

Cezanne

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True, we've got a little further to drive her, remember. Most of our states are larger than your entire country, and right or wrong, our society has been built around our ability to commute for long distances. We still probably spend at least as much on petrol as you folks do.

 

I cannot follow you as geocaching (not the daily life) is concerned. Why do you need to drive larger distances for caching when your country is larger? You do not need to find all caches in a state. The cache density in an area does not depend on the size of the country it is located into.

 

Cezanne

 

Sometimes I am just amazed at how seriously a totally innocent post can be taken. But OK... I will try to explain what was intended as funny, but we forewarned that it won't be any funnier once explained.

 

My point was to go as far as a dollar will take you, because as prices go up, it will continue to take you less far. I have plenty of unfound caches near home that I will save for when gas is too expensive to go further. I could get them now, at relatively cheap gas prices, and then be left without affordable caches, or I could get those far from home now, while prices are low, and then start getting those close to home once prices skyrocket.

 

Now, aren't you glad you asked?

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Sometimes I am just amazed at how seriously a totally innocent post can be taken. But OK... I will try to explain what was intended as funny, but we forewarned that it won't be any funnier once explained.

 

Thanks for your explanation. I understood the intent of your first posting already when I read it, and I got the sarcastic side of it. In fact, this posting applies not only to the US, but to almost all countries of the world. Gas prices go up nearly everywhere.

 

I wondered about your reply to the cacher from the UK. I still cannot follow your argument in that posting (the geocaching aspect of it and not the daily life aspect) and I do not think that what you wrote was intended as a joke by you, but forget about it, my question was not really important. I was just trying ro understand what other people are saying and not just taking it for granted. Sorry for that.

 

Cezanne

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Here in the UK, petrol(gas) is currently £1.28/litre (

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That makes One US gallon (3.785 Litres) = $7.75

True. But I'm betting that you get more than 20mpg imperial/16mpg US. :) Americans spend almost as much on gas as Europeans, plus they spend way more time than we do pumping the stuff into their huge tanks. (I'm paying $7/US gallon for diesel, but I get the equivalent of 35 mpg US from my Korean car.)

 

BUT ,, the main complaint here is the fact that the petrol(gas)is £0.32/litre the rest is TAX

That's what the companies tell you... but they tend not to update those forecourt propaganda information stickers very often. The ex-tax price is currently round about 50p/litre. (The tax still dominates, of course.)

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I agree with the original topic suggestion - start distant and work toward home. But for those of us who have been around for a while we have mostly done all the caches close to home. I know that is the case with me. The only way I do any caching now (and that is hardly ever any more) is if it is on the way to some location (great opportunity for new caches) or if I can grab a bunch of them in one trip. Although I love the more challenging ones with mountain top views, I can no longer afford to spend a day trip on one or two great caches. I will not give up, however, I just plan better.

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But for those of us who have been around for a while we have mostly done all the caches close to home. I know that is the case with me.

 

Actually, in my area new caches pop up all the time (like you I started geocaching in 2002) - most often not of the type I enjoy, but that's another topic. There are many that are easily reachable by bicycle or bus or train and still the majority comes by car. So the gas prices are not high enough to encourage more cachers to use alternative ways of approaching caches. Of course, not everyone has alternatives to using a car, but many do have, but not make use of them.

 

 

Cezanne

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Here in the UK, petrol(gas) is currently £1.28/litre (

 

Going on todays exchange rate of £1 = $1.60

 

That makes One US gallon (3.785 Litres) = $7.75

 

and one Imperial gallon (4.546 Litres) = an enormous $9.31

 

I'll swap you all day long and twice on Sundays

 

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BUT ,, the main complaint here is the fact that the petrol(gas)is £0.32/litre the rest is TAX

 

Was about to say the same thing.

Gas here is around €1.5 per litre which is $7.8505655 per gallon.

Luckely my car does 33.6020833 miles per gallon

 

Gas is mostly Taxes here, it's ridiculous :P

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We are currently working on an (at present) unofficial challenege to cover all of washington state. We have determined caching all over is worth the extra 20 cents to us, but I am starting to think our hotel quality (we do a ton of overnighters) will rapidly decline soon.

 

Then, we may decent to couch surfing.

 

Or rocking chair surfing.

 

Possibly even cardboard box surfing.

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Here in the UK, petrol(gas) is currently £1.28/litre (

 

Going on todays exchange rate of £1 = $1.60

 

That makes One US gallon (3.785 Litres) = $7.75

 

and one Imperial gallon (4.546 Litres) = an enormous $9.31

 

I'll swap you all day long and twice on Sundays

 

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BUT ,, the main complaint here is the fact that the petrol(gas)is £0.32/litre the rest is TAX

 

Was about to say the same thing.

Gas here is around €1.5 per litre which is $7.8505655 per gallon.

Luckely my car does 33.6020833 miles per gallon

 

Gas is mostly Taxes here, it's ridiculous :P

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Here in the UK, petrol(gas) is currently £1.28/litre (

 

Going on todays exchange rate of £1 = $1.60

 

That makes One US gallon (3.785 Litres) = $7.75

 

and one Imperial gallon (4.546 Litres) = an enormous $9.31

 

I'll swap you all day long and twice on Sundays

 

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BUT ,, the main complaint here is the fact that the petrol(gas)is £0.32/litre the rest is TAX

 

Was about to say the same thing.

Gas here is around €1.5 per litre which is $7.8505655 per gallon.

Luckely my car does 33.6020833 miles per gallon

 

Gas is mostly Taxes here, it's ridiculous :P

 

We're at $1.21 per litre here in Toronto, Canada. I cache like I shop, "around the horn". Starting at the farthest and working back to the closest and, finally, home.

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We're at $1.21 per litre here in Toronto, Canada. I cache like I shop, "around the horn". Starting at the farthest and working back to the closest and, finally, home.

 

One thing is guaranteed -- a couple years from now someone will look at this thread and laugh saying "Can you believe they were complaining about gas prices of $1.21/L?

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One thing is guaranteed -- a couple years from now someone will look at this thread and laugh saying "Can you believe they were complaining about gas prices of $1.21/L?

 

In the UK it's about £1.30/litre. $2.05 Canadian.

 

Cheap! On the M1 at the weekend it was £1.39/ litre which is $8.56 per US Gallon.

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The odd comparison never made between the UK and US is the $ per mile.

 

A few years ago, the average American was paying $2 / gallon to fill up his 14mpg truck. 1 mile = 14c / mile.

Meanwhile, here in the UK we were paying 90p/litre to fill up our 30mpg(uk) hatchbacks. 1 mile = 13p / mile (20.8c)

 

Now Americans are paying $3.80 which is 27c /mile and we are paying £1.30 which is 20p or 32 cents.

 

There is a point at which the Americans will be paying more per mile than Brits, and we're approaching that point quickly. The biggest change though is the percentage rise, gas prices in the US have doubled nearly, but in the UK they've gone up by 30%, because the tax rate is mostly static. We may be paying a lot, but at least the money is going towards public healthcare etc. The money that Americans pay is going to the oil producers in the middle east.

 

The ideal solution is for Americans to drive European style cars. It would be better for the environment, for the US economy (buying less oil) and for world stability.

 

What most Americans don't realise is that in the UK, nearly all large cars are diesel powered. Mine is a BMW 5 Series diesel. They're nothing like how they were 20 years ago, and get similar MPG to hybrids. Take a look at a BMW 320d Ed - 0-60mph in 7.8s, yet it does 55 US mpg. Now work out your cents per mile :)

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I'm also having to suffer $7.75-$8 per US Gallon. In my limited US experience the big pick-up trucks tend to be seen more in rural districts and cities have a high proportion of "European style" cars.

 

Although it's quite common for UK drivers to have a 300-mile round trip to work (mine's further that that but I don't drive it all!), and probably a lot more in the US, we're talking caching distance here.

I guess it depends what type of caching you like doing, but I'm getting more tempted by those groups of caches less than ten miles away and less by the really good ones 100 miles from home. At least the cache density is high in most parts of the UK, so it's less of a problem than in some US areas where caching is not as popular.

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There are many that are easily reachable by bicycle or bus or train and still the majority comes by car. So the gas prices are not high enough to encourage more cachers to use alternative ways of approaching caches. Of course, not everyone has alternatives to using a car, but many do have, but not make use of them.

That might be feasible in Austria, but railway stations are rather spaced in the UK (except around London) and bus services very limited (except around London). Not many can reasonably be expected to cache by bike (too many hills, too much rain and wind, roads too busy, too old and unfit, no bike). So there is only a very small proportion who could consider caching by bike or public transport. I've done it quite a bit by combining caching with country walking; but even then I've usually started the day with a lengthy drive to a railway station or bus stop, and I have to face caching alone in these circumstances, and I have to tolerate getting very wet after a day out. Plus, a cache might only be a mile off-route but it's off limits if you're not in a car.

 

Let's face it, geocaching is basically a motorist's pastime.

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Let's face it, geocaching is basically a motorist's pastime.

 

Sometimes it is, but there are exceptions. I know a geocacher here with over 2000 finds and his primary transportation is a bicycle - he's been known to bike over 100km in a day, and find tupperware.

 

You can also hook up with Hiking groups and use their trail shuttles / busses to get to trailheads. For example, the Bruce Trail Conservacy has bus/carpool hikes every weekend and that trail has well over 500 caches on it (800km length for the trail). I have personally hiked over 30 kilometers in a day, several times. We have a group that does that a couple times a year actually.

 

If you're creative, there are options. But having a car certainly does help.

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There are many that are easily reachable by bicycle or bus or train and still the majority comes by car. So the gas prices are not high enough to encourage more cachers to use alternative ways of approaching caches. Of course, not everyone has alternatives to using a car, but many do have, but not make use of them.

That might be feasible in Austria, but railway stations are rather spaced in the UK (except around London) and bus services very limited (except around London).

 

I do know that there differences between different countries and regions and have experienced them by myself as well.

The public transportation system in Austria outside of larger cities is bad. not to be compared with the better situation in Switzerland and the Netherlands e.g.

I agree, however, that the Austrian train system is better than the UK train system (no wonder).

 

 

Not many can reasonably be expected to cache by bike (too many hills, too much rain and wind, roads too busy, too old and unfit, no bike). So there is only a very small proportion who could consider caching by bike or public transport.

 

In areas around larger cities the percentage of those who could is larger than it appears from what you write.

 

I am noticing that a huge number of my fellow cachers who do have many options rather go collect powertrail 100+ caches that are 200km away by car than visit some very close

and nicely done caches that they could reach with much shorter drives and/or by public transportation, bicycles etc

Many of them are younger than I am, much fitter, do not suffer from health problems and are not caching with small children and/or dogs, and own more fancy bicycles than I do.

The weather cannot be blamed either as the proportion of cachers using a bicycle is not considerably higher from Spring-Autumn than in Winter. If there is snow, I might go for a short urban cache by bike, but certainly not for a longer tour.

The group I mentioned has a lot of alternatives, but hardly uses them. The gas/diesel prices are still not high enough.

 

 

 

 

I've done it quite a bit by combining caching with country walking; but even then I've usually started the day with a lengthy drive to a railway station or bus stop, and I have to face caching alone in these circumstances, and I have to tolerate getting very wet after a day out. Plus, a cache might only be a mile off-route but it's off limits if you're not in a car.

 

Yes, of course caching that way means to accept some compromises. I e.g. did a 120 km multi cache around my home town in eight legs and only used public transportation. Of course

my total track length increased by about 25km and I had to plan my legs very carefully and it was not possible to just start spontaneously because there might be only 1 or at most two fitting bus services or none at all on Sunday.

 

It is, however, not always the most convenient way that is the best. In case someone has to arrange his daily way to work, I can understand that often the car is the only available option, but as leisure activities are regarded this is true only for a minority group. (The size of the group of course varies from country to country and from region to region.)

 

Let's face it, geocaching is basically a motorist's pastime.

 

Actually, it turned into that direction over the years. When I started geocaching, almost all cachers in my area were mainly interested into hiking and enjoying the nature and not in driving around long distances with their cars.

 

Cezanne

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Jeb Bush/Palin ticket?, now you're scarin me.

 

Scaring you STRAIGHT!!!

 

Jeb Bush met secretly with Obama to discuss how he will turn over the presidency to him during the 2012 election. This occured after a public appearance at a Miami high school:

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110304/pl_yblog_theticket/jeb-bush-was-not-about-to-let-president-obama-sneak-a-hug

 

obama-jeb.jpg

 

The rising gas prices are planned to peak in 2012, slowing the economy and triggering a second financial collapse. :ph34r:

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My advice... start caching as far from home as you can afford. Looks as though your affordable radius will be quickly decreasing soon.

 

Meh, I have about 100 caches in about a 5 mile radius, that'll keep me busy for a while.

Exactly my point. Once you have those caches found, you will have to widen your radius/drive further. Do you think that gas will be cheaper by then? Get those now, and when gas is up to $5 / gal, then you can get those within 5 miles.
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Jeb Bush/Palin ticket?, now you're scarin me.

 

Scaring you STRAIGHT!!!

 

Jeb Bush met secretly with Obama to discuss how he will turn over the presidency to him during the 2012 election. This occured after a public appearance at a Miami high school:

 

http://news.yahoo.co...ama-sneak-a-hug

 

obama-jeb.jpg

 

The rising gas prices are planned to peak in 2012, slowing the economy and triggering a second financial collapse. :ph34r:

 

If that isn't the secret handshake, then I'll be a monkey's uncle!! Notice Jeb's hair cleverly covering up the pointed reptilian ears?

 

[Edited to erase top secret information]

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