The San Diego Thread

[+Hoosier Katie]

Carpenter from Hell and his neighbors don't do the Forum but I'd love to be watching and listening if you were to ask their opinion. Dry wells make for strong opinions.

 

I am very interested in knowing their opinion. I will e-mail him about this discussion and ask his perspective. Maybe he won't mind if I share our discussion with you.

 

Of course I also know that few people either know about or feel their pain. Almost always the big dawg wins and casinos take in enough money to control outcomes no matter who it hurts.

 

I did not know about this issue until after the Cedar Fire. I learned a bit about it after that though. Part of my joy in life is finding little ways to beat the "big dawgs," and one of my planned caches is even focused on that theme! But I agree, what you said here is too true.

 

Thanks again for your thoughts.

 

(Also, since this is a San Diego issue, I hope I chose the right forum for this discussion.)

[+FlagMan]

I would not feel comfortable venturing into tribal grounds.

 

It didn't occur to me before reading this that there would be those who felt this way, but I'm not at all surprised and understand that there are probably good reasons for people to hold this opinion--Sovereign Nation, laws of their own, and all that. When I first moved to California I felt the same way. I was once told of a man who was fined several thousand dollars for hitting a cow that wandered across a road within the Barona boundaries--and he didn't even get to keep the cow But then, there are many whose favorite caches involve slugging through swamps , climbing crumbling rock walls and poking around next to rattlesnake nests, and I would say "No Thanks" to those, no matter how great the cache

 

I respect your opinion, and appreciate your feedback. Of course I can and will find other places for caches as well. But I wonder how many people would choose to pass on a cache hidden on tribal land? (--Hidden only with the permission of the council, of course!) I had a couple of themed caches in mind which would work well on the tribal land, but will involve alot of work to plan and place, not to mention approaching the tribal council with the geocaching sales pitch. If the majority opinion is that folks would pass on tribal land caches, it would seem that it's not worth the trouble.

 

And I'm sorry for those folks for whom the reservation has been a bad and inconsiderate neighbor also, but do you think cache-hunting there implies approval and support of their actions or business?

 

Thanks for the discussion.

I am not aware of anyone else seeking to hide a cache on tribal lands. I know there are quite a number of caches within the Los Coyotes reservation near Warner Springs that are now off limits since the whole area has been closed to vehicular traffic. But, heh, if you can get one approved on Barona, go for it! And if not, this would be a good place to post the results of your attempt to get permission.

[+Chuy!]

Introduction and Question about placing caches in Barona.

 

Hi SD cachers, I am an RN who has lived in the San Diego area for about three years now. I am new at caching and have been having a great time the last couple months. Thanks to all of you for the great caches. (And, although I am clearly not up to the task of solving the TT and other really twisted puzzles yet, I have been really enjoying working on the more sane ones!)

 

I am starting to plan my first cache hides (which probably won't be placed before mid January or so) and have a few ideas I am kicking around. (For one of them, I am hoping to do a multi-stage puzzle cache as a thank you to all you twisted minds out there.)

 

For one of the caches I'm planning, I have been scoping out some possible sites at Barona, but couldn't help but notice there are no caches there. (There is one, but it's at an establishment there and doesn't require leaving the main road.) Has anyone tried to get permission to place a cache at Barona and been denied? I am thinking that, once I have the exact site chosen, I will approach the tribal council for permission to hide. It occurred to me that this may have been done already with poor results. Anyone have any info or suggestions regarding this?

 

Thanks,

 

KamaRaga

(Kate)

I've noticed that gap myself [off Wildcat Canyon) and was planning to drop some caches myself. Except I haven't noticed any signs indicating what area is Indian property; so, it did not occur to me to ask anyone for permission so long as I did not see a sign on those dirt roads.

 

Speaking of which, my MapSource indicates Vu of El Capitan Reservoir is on the Capitan Grande Indian Reservation as well as those caches on the El Capitan Reservoir. (Maybe the reservoir itself is not Indian property?).

 

If you set up a meeting with them, met me know; I'll attend with you.

[+Hoosier Katie]

Thanks, FlagMan and Chuy. I thought about just placing the caches without jumping through the hoops, but I was afraid that, being a "Sovereign Nation" and all, they might not be happy with the cachers hunting the caches and I didn't want to put anyone in an awkward position, especially after hearing of their "kill a cow pay thousands of dollars" decision!

 

I'm going to put together a little geocaching "sales" packet-- like the geocaching handout, some info about policies of public lands that allow geocaching, cache placement guidelines, some kudos from CITO events--like the recent Black Canyon CITO, the geocachers' creed type stuff etc, and then give them a call to see if I can get a meeting. (FlagMan, do you know what caches are on the Los Coyotes res? I don't know where that is--Joisey Girl here!) I was definitely going to ask for some more experienced reinforcements if they agreed to discuss it, so thanks for the offer, Chuy

 

Apparently, the El Capitan Reservoir area used to be tribal land, but the government bought it back from them to build the reservoir. That's why they have that nice fertile valley now (I am guessing someone may correct me here!)

 

Kama Raga

Kate

[+TucsonThompsen]

I would not feel comfortable venturing into tribal grounds.

Kama Raga,

 

I would highly discourage you from placing caches on Tribal land. Even with their permission, not all of the tribal people tend to look kindly on outside folk venturing onto their lands.

 

I only speak from the hearsay knowledge of the tribal lands in Arizona, but there are places where non-tribal members are arrested per tribal policy for being on the reservation without permission. IN certain reservations in AZ, where major roads cut through, basically you are allowed to be in your car moving on the road, but not anywhere else. Putting caches that would tend to draw people off into the brush or canyons or anywhere else is probably setting cachers up for needless confrontation.

 

Of course, it all depends on each tribe's policy. Not sure about Barona. But the "Uber San Diego 6533' " cache was disabled because the nation closed the reservation to outsiders, as an FYI. So there is history of tribal nations being closed off in the SD area.

 

Oh....and please try my puzzles. They're ever so fun!

 

[]

 

--TT--

[+PassingWind]

I would highly discourage you from placing caches on Tribal land. Even with their permission, not all of the tribal people tend to look kindly on outside folk venturing onto their lands.

I agree with TT. A lot of effort for placing a few caches....there's plenty of land out there! Even if the tribal elders do approve the majority of the tribe members may not agree. There have been many recorded incidents in the Ramona area with younger tribal members and "the public". Another thing that's overlook would be the liablilty issues....if I break my leg on the reservation who's liable? More then likely they would not go for it. However, if you persue, Good Luck!

[+Team Fatman]

Carpenter from Hell and his neighbors don't do the Forum but I'd love to be watching and listening if you were to ask their opinion. Dry wells make for strong opinions.

 

I am very interested in knowing their opinion. I will e-mail him about this discussion and ask his perspective. Maybe he won't mind if I share our discussion with you.

 

Of course I also know that few people either know about or feel their pain. Almost always the big dawg wins and casinos take in enough money to control outcomes no matter who it hurts.

 

I did not know about this issue until after the Cedar Fire. I learned a bit about it after that though. Part of my joy in life is finding little ways to beat the "big dawgs," and one of my planned caches is even focused on that theme! But I agree, what you said here is too true.

 

Thanks again for your thoughts.

 

(Also, since this is a San Diego issue, I hope I chose the right forum for this discussion.)

There are other reservations that you could place caches at.

[+Hoosier Katie]

Thanks, TT & PW,

 

Eventually, I promise I will try your puzzles, TT but I think I need to graduate from pre-school first .

 

Thanks for your thoughts. My belief is that those tribes who have ventured into gaming are moving away from the traditional isolationism found on reservations (albeit slowly, but I think the movement is apparent when you compare gaming with non-gaming tribes.) They use their newfound wealth to gain power in the communities in the surrounding area and become more a part of those communities. I think the people of a tribe like Barona may be less likely to "shun" outsiders, but I am basing my opinion on little knowledge of the Barona people, so you may be absolutely correct about their attitudes towards outsiders. I think talking with a councilman or two can only help clarify their attitudes towards outsiders (and in particular, geocaching.)

 

A lot of trouble for little gain, I guess. True, PW. Once I get something in my mind, though, it's hard to let it go without a clear and persuasive reason. I see your point about the liability, but if you break your leg in a county park, I don't think the county would be liable unless you could prove that they were somehow negligent. The only difference here is that if the tribe *was* negligent, they might not accept any liability.

 

TT I see you are haunting the cachers in my home state of NJ now-- I am visiting in a couple weeks and I was relieved to see your caches are in Somerset as opposed to Morris County-- Don't think I'll have time to get there--but you have found every single cache I have on my list!!!! Turbocacher indeed!!!

 

Thanks all for your input. I'll update you all when (& if) I take any further action and let you know what I learn.

 

KR

[+FlagMan]

TT I see you are haunting the cachers in my home state of NJ now-- I am visiting in a couple weeks...

If you're going to Jersey, maybe you could track down my Shakespeare's Phone Box Travel Bug (TBKGPE). It is currently in the hands of spongebobiscoool. It's goal is to get to NJ and then to England.....

[+Hoosier Katie]

Awww FlagMan.... See what you've gone and done? I e-mailed spongebob letting him know my interest in traveling with your bug.

 

But now, after a personal invitation from TT to try his puzzles and an invitation to travel with a bug in his honor, I feel honor-bound to actually place this in a TT cache in NJ! Drats This would mean I actually have to solve a TT puzzle to do it! (No housework for the next week or two! ) If I get my hands on your bug before I leave on the 13th, it will travel with me to NJ via Florida.

 

If anyone else wants any bugs to go to NJ or FLa, let me know!

 

Kama Raga

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

Oh....and please try my puzzles.  They're ever so fun! 

Yes, definitely try them. They are "fun" in the same way as hitting yourself on the head with a piece of pipe...

 

...it feels good when you stop!

 

(At least that's what I've been told. I haven't stopped yet... )

[+FlagMan]

Awww FlagMan.... See what you've gone and done? I e-mailed spongebob letting him know my interest in traveling with your bug.

 

But now, after a personal invitation from TT to try his puzzles and an invitation to travel with a bug in his honor, I feel honor-bound to actually place this in a TT cache in NJ! Drats This would mean I actually have to solve a TT puzzle to do it! (No housework for the next week or two! ) If I get my hands on your bug before I leave on the 13th, it will travel with me to NJ via Florida.

 

If anyone else wants any bugs to go to NJ or FLa, let me know!

 

Kama Raga

Hints and nudges available for a small fee... In your case, maybe the usual fee is negotiable since you are paying the airfare for the Phone Box....

[+HelBob Duo]

Awww FlagMan.... See what you've gone and done?  I e-mailed spongebob letting him know my interest in traveling with your bug. 

 

But now, after a personal invitation from TT to try his puzzles and an invitation to travel with a bug in his honor,  I feel honor-bound to actually place this in a TT cache in NJ!  Drats    This would mean I actually have to solve a TT puzzle to do it! (No housework for the next week or two!  )  If I get my hands on your bug before I leave on the 13th, it will travel with me to NJ via Florida.

 

If anyone else wants any bugs to go to NJ or FLa, let me know!

 

Kama Raga

So who moved first, you or TT? Did you hear about TT & was trying to get away from the puzzle king? Well, you moved to the wrong spot! At least, if you figure out the puzzle for one area, you may be able to do the puzzle in the other area. A 2fer!

BTW, welcome to the other coast. We'll be looking forward to meeting you. On the trail or at our get-togethers.

[+Miragee]

Okay, I'm off on a solo adventure today. If I don't post in the Forums tonight, come looking for me near Indiana Ed’s Subterranean Cache . . .

 

[+Hoosier Katie]

Hints and nudges available for a small fee... In your case, maybe the usual fee is negotiable since you are paying the airfare for the Phone Box.... 

 

I will gladly pay the fee!!!!!!

 

So who moved first, you or TT? Did you hear about TT & was trying to get away from the puzzle king?  Well, you moved to the wrong spot!  At least, if you figure out the puzzle for one area, you may be able to do the puzzle in the other area. A 2fer! 

BTW, welcome to the other coast. We'll be looking forward to meeting you. On the trail or at our get-togethers. 

 

I think I moved away from NJ before TT moved to NJ--Since I just started caching a couple months ago, I didn't know what horror awaited me back then---ignorance is bliss. I *am* grateful to see his puzzles can be a two-fer for me, though! But I think I'm gonna be paying a high price to FlagMan to get through even one of them!! I am already feeling the throbbing in my head. Thanks for the welcome--I look forward to meeting you also

[+smilinglady13]

Anyone need any travel bugs to travel to Oahu leaving Dec 8th let me know and I will haul them. I have one going over to swing back.

Also incase you dont read the event thread for San Diego we are going to do Old Burma Road/Snail Rock and whatever other caches grab our fancy....the more the merrier. We are leaving Lake Jennings park and ride at 8am Dec 3 (Sat).

[+Miragee]

Okay, I'm off on a solo adventure today. If I don't post in the Forums tonight, come looking for me near Indiana Ed’s Subterranean Cache . . .

 

Okay . . . I'm back. I never made it that far . . . but I was Second to Find on Night Hunter's new cache, Stone Ruination #2--Valley of Hogs.

 

I also found out you can drive a car a good distance up Otay Mountain.

[+blonds run amuck]

Okay, I'm off on a solo adventure today. If I don't post in the Forums tonight, come looking for me near Indiana Ed’s Subterranean Cache . . .

 

Okay . . . I'm back. I never made it that far . . . but I was Second to Find on Night Hunter's new cache, Stone Ruination #2--Valley of Hogs.

 

I also found out you can drive a car a good distance up Otay Mountain.

Glad you made it back safe.

[+Miragee]

Thanks . . .

 

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

I think that Subterranean Cache is worthy of an "event." Sounds like it is so cool it should be "shared."

[+TrailGators]

Thanks . . .

 

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

I think that Subterranean Cache is worthy of an "event." Sounds like it is so cool it should be "shared."

I thought it was risky to go by yourself...glad you're OK too! That does cache sound cool...might make a good #1000!

[+Dan-oh]

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

That sounds like a bad habit to get over. Take a look at my adventure over the summer here in the main forums.

 

If we hadn't told anyone where we were or have the 10 essentials, we could have had an even worse time. Even a voice mail with the basic info is enough, provided the recipient knows what to do if you don't return at the appointed time.

 

You may have been out for 30 minutes so my doom-n-gloom isn't warranted. But hey, you should see the survival gear I take when I go out for a quart of milk!

[+Miragee]

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

That sounds like a bad habit to get over. . . .

Yes . . . I know.

 

Maybe I'll remember to post here again when I go out on my solo adventures . . .

[+RocketMan]

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

That sounds like a bad habit to get over. . . .

Yes . . . I know.

 

Maybe I'll remember to post here again when I go out on my solo adventures . . .

I almost hate to suggest it but maybe there should be a new thread for cachers to post when they are going out solo so there is some record of where/when they are going. RM

[+"lostguy"]

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

That sounds like a bad habit to get over. . . .

Yes . . . I know.

 

Maybe I'll remember to post here again when I go out on my solo adventures . . .

It's not a good idea to post your where-a-bouts when you have a stalker.

[+Miragee]

:ninja:

[+TrailGators]

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

That sounds like a bad habit to get over. . . .

Yes . . . I know.

 

Maybe I'll remember to post here again when I go out on my solo adventures . . .

I almost hate to suggest it but maybe there should be a new thread for cachers to post when they are going out solo so there is some record of where/when they are going. RM

Wouldn't that leave them hanging by a thread.....

[+Dan-oh]

I almost hate to suggest it but maybe there should be a new thread for cachers to post when they are going out solo so there is some record of where/when they are going.  RM

I think its important that an individual is responsible to call the "authorities" should you not return. While an on-line group helping out is a nice idea, its not certain enough. Likewise, telling someone where you'll be isn't enough if your anchor won't call.

 

In my story, my wife delayed a hour or so on calling but she DID make the call.

 

Re stalkers:

I don't subscribe to the axe-muderer-on-the-internet theory myself. I've met plenty 'o nice folks that haven't chopped me up...yet.

Maybe I'll take a look at lostguy's profile just to be safe...

[+Miragee]

Sure wish I had an "anchor."

 

Turned out I didn't even have a "stalker."

[+smilinglady13]

Thanks . . .

 

I'm amazed I even thought to mention where I was going in the Forums. I'm always taking off somewhere without telling anyone . . . and I don't own a cell phone.

 

I think that Subterranean Cache is worthy of an "event." Sounds like it is so cool it should be "shared."

Glad you made it back safe. Events and more events.....we are a fun group

[+blonds run amuck]

Sure wish I had an "anchor."

 

Turned out I didn't even have a "stalker."

Those of us that are "anchor-less" should start a phone tree. Lets work on that on the next park n ride meet up. B.R.A. has always wondered how long it would take before someone would notice we were actually missing (cause most would figure we were still running amuck).

[+smilinglady13]

Sure wish I had an "anchor."

 

Turned out I didn't even have a "stalker."

Those of us that are "anchor-less" should start a phone tree. Lets work on that on the next park n ride meet up. B.R.A. has always wondered how long it would take before someone would notice we were actually missing (cause most would figure we were still running amuck).

You are right.......might take a while for people to notice I am gone!!!!! A plan is always good.

[+TrailGators]

Sure wish I had an "anchor."

 

Turned out I didn't even have a "stalker."

Those of us that are "anchor-less" should start a phone tree. Lets work on that on the next park n ride meet up. B.R.A. has always wondered how long it would take before someone would notice we were actually missing (cause most would figure we were still running amuck).

You are right.......might take a while for people to notice I am gone!!!!! A plan is always good.

I have an idea! Why don't you gals stick to safe low-risk caches when going alone! Dan-oh made a good point earlier. IMHO I think you should always have a hiking buddy when you do riskier caches (snakes, slipping and falling, exhaustion, hypothermia) especially if there is no cell service!

Edited November 28, 2005 by TrailGators

[+smilinglady13]

Sure wish I had an "anchor."

 

Turned out I didn't even have a "stalker."

Those of us that are "anchor-less" should start a phone tree. Lets work on that on the next park n ride meet up. B.R.A. has always wondered how long it would take before someone would notice we were actually missing (cause most would figure we were still running amuck).

You are right.......might take a while for people to notice I am gone!!!!! A plan is always good.

I have an idea! Why don't you gals stick to safe low-risk caches when going alone! Dan-oh made a good point earlier. IMHO I think you should always have a hiking buddy when you do riskier caches (snakes, slipping and falling, exhaustion, hypothermia) especially if there is no cell service!

I am going to put places that I am going on the forum in the future so that if anyone wants to ride along they can..........I have been doing the lower risk ones but it is hard to stay out of the danger spots as I love 4 wd and caching.......sigh......

[+Miragee]

Sure wish I had an "anchor."

 

Turned out I didn't even have a "stalker."

Those of us that are "anchor-less" should start a phone tree. Lets work on that on the next park n ride meet up. B.R.A. has always wondered how long it would take before someone would notice we were actually missing (cause most would figure we were still running amuck).

You are right.......might take a while for people to notice I am gone!!!!! A plan is always good.

I have an idea! Why don't you gals stick to safe low-risk caches when going alone! Dan-oh made a good point earlier. IMHO I think you should always have a hiking buddy when you do riskier caches (snakes, slipping and falling, exhaustion, hypothermia) especially if there is no cell service!

Then I'll have to have a hiking buddy to check on my own caches . . .

 

:ninja:

[+TrailGators]

Sure wish I had an "anchor."

 

Turned out I didn't even have a "stalker."

Those of us that are "anchor-less" should start a phone tree. Lets work on that on the next park n ride meet up. B.R.A. has always wondered how long it would take before someone would notice we were actually missing (cause most would figure we were still running amuck).

You are right.......might take a while for people to notice I am gone!!!!! A plan is always good.

I have an idea! Why don't you gals stick to safe low-risk caches when going alone! Dan-oh made a good point earlier. IMHO I think you should always have a hiking buddy when you do riskier caches (snakes, slipping and falling, exhaustion, hypothermia) especially if there is no cell service!

Then I'll have to have a hiking buddy to check on my own caches . . .

 

:ninja:

I'm being serious! As a group we've had some mishaps: TT shattered his elbow. Flagman had to have a helicopter rescue him. Dan-oh's friend sprained her ankle. Barbara broke her leg. Sorry if I forgot anybody.... Anyhow, the temps are dipping down into the 30's at night now. So if you get injured on some remote trail you are going to be a hurtin' cowgirl or cowboy!

Edited November 28, 2005 by TrailGators

[+Miragee]

Okay . . . you've convinced me. I'll make sure to call a friend, and/or post here when I take off on my own.

 

I'm notorious for not "planning," so I often don't end up where I think I'm going . . . like yesterday . . . I did get a bit spooked driving that steep, narrow Otay Mountain road in the late afternoon.

[+smilinglady13]

Okay . . . you've convinced me. I'll make sure to call a friend, and/or post here when I take off on my own.

 

I'm notorious for not "planning," so I often don't end up where I think I'm going . . . like yesterday . . . I did get a bit spooked driving that steep, narrow Otay Mountain road in the late afternoon.

Most Saturdays I will find out where people want to go and we can go as a little group.........I am game for anything and with my jeep/maps/gps can go pretty much anywhere.

I do want to go on the Otay truck trail and get those....plus the ones out in the desert plus........well.....the whole world.

[+Miragee]

There are quite a few caches out in the East County on Otay Mountain and that vicinity.

 

 

There are even more further out on Hwy 94 towards Potrero.

 

 

That area would be a fun one to tackle, with a group, someday.

 

The "Mystery Pools of Potrero Creek" is a very interesting location and the cache is full of great swag.

[+smilinglady13]

There are quite a few caches out in the East County on Otay Mountain and that vicinity.

 

 

There are even more further out on Hwy 94 towards Potrero.

 

 

That area would be a fun one to tackle, with a group, someday.

 

The "Mystery Pools of Potrero Creek" is a very interesting location and the cache is full of great swag.

I would like to tackle some of those desert ones that would have gotten us blown off the map if we would have tried........plus Burro condo.....I am gone the weekend of Dec 10 and 17 but will be ready the weekend after that.......have to go to Hawaii and do my marathon.....and of course geocaching.

[+duganrm]

Okay . . . you've convinced me. I'll make sure to call a friend, and/or post here when I take off on my own.

 

I'm notorious for not "planning," so I often don't end up where I think I'm going . . . like yesterday . . . I did get a bit spooked driving that steep, narrow Otay Mountain road in the late afternoon.

Most Saturdays I will find out where people want to go and we can go as a little group.........I am game for anything and with my jeep/maps/gps can go pretty much anywhere.

I do want to go on the Otay truck trail and get those....plus the ones out in the desert plus........well.....the whole world.

Rogue has class on Saturdays so it usually ends up being my hiking day. If you ever need someone to go out there with, Kaida and I are usually available on weekends.

 

I am also up for night hunting during the weekdays but most people here seem to stay away from caching in the dark.

[+PassingWind]

........plus Burro condo.....

Make sure you take another or better yet several other 4x4 vehicles. This isn't a "walk in the park" drive up cache. A lot of rock crawling so 4x4 IS a must, your pretty much entirely in a dry river bed.

PW

[+Miragee]

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been looking at "lonely" caches to find. Maybe that isn't one to put on my list. Or, we'll just line up another group with dependable 4-WD.

 

How close can you get before the trail gets really bad? Now that it is cooler in the desert, hiking a couple of miles wouldn't be a problem.

[+PassingWind]

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been looking at "lonely" caches to find. Maybe that isn't one to put on my list. Or, we'll just line up another group with dependable 4-WD.

 

How close can you get before the trail gets really bad? Now that it is cooler in the desert, hiking a couple of miles wouldn't be a problem.

The road goes bad about 6 miles from the cache!!

[+Miragee]

Oh . . .

[+Chuy!]

Okay . . . you've convinced me. I'll make sure to call a friend, and/or post here when I take off on my own.

 

I'm notorious for not "planning," so I often don't end up where I think I'm going . . . like yesterday . . . I did get a bit spooked driving that steep, narrow Otay Mountain road in the late afternoon.

And make sure a forum user has your home/cell # so we can follow up with a call in case your net connection breaks down and you can't post your return right away.

[+Miragee]

Good point. My computer has been acting up a bit lately. If it dies on me, it is a 10-mile drive to the nearest library to get on a computer and visit the Forums.

[+RocketMan]

Nice Job PW

 

 

Thanks,

RocketMan

[+TFTC]

Nice Job PW

 

 

Thanks,

RocketMan

It's just too beautiful to set loose! I'm hoping PW would not mind if I just sent a copy of mine out into the wild.

[+PassingWind]

Nice Job PW

Thanks!

It should really go to Caching Widow for taking an idea and putting it into a cool coin and also taking care of the business end of things. The coin is black nickel and it's heavy!

PassingWind

 

BTW...they are still for sale to San Diego's cachers so if you would like more before we sell them out to the public let me know.....plus, everyone's jealous we got 'em and they want 'em!!

Edited November 29, 2005 by PassingWind

[+smilinglady13]

Oh . . .

When I recover from my marathon.....somewhere around Jan 1st I would be happy to go with others out to do the Burro Condo. AFter walking 26.2 miles 6 miles is nothin BUT......until the end of Dec my legs will not want to wander more than a mile or 2 at a time.