Which category for this?

[+ScroogieII]

About the cenotaphs - they're almost always war memorials. The second, dated 1932, would likely be a World War I memorial.

[+ScroogieII]

8 hours ago, Becktracker said:

In front of the city hall of Bergen of Zoom I found a cool plaque with the inscription: D'historie/van deez'plaats/mag Bergen leren:/laat eigen vrijheid/nooit/in 't Tegendeel/verkeren (From the history of this place Bergen may learn; let liberty never become the opposite). The plaque has been placed at the location of the Liberty tree, which has been erected of the occasion of the French revolution in 1795. It has been placed by the Tafelronde, the Dutch branch of The International Order of the Round Table. Enough cool elements but what is the best fit for this waymark?

 

Sounds like Political Revolutions might be a fit.

[+FamilieFrohne]

On 9/16/2021 at 12:59 PM, Becktracker said:

In front of the city hall of Bergen of Zoom I found a cool plaque with the inscription: D'historie/van deez'plaats/mag Bergen leren:/laat eigen vrijheid/nooit/in 't Tegendeel/verkeren (From the history of this place Bergen may learn; let liberty never become the opposite). The plaque has been placed at the location of the Liberty tree, which has been erected of the occasion of the French revolution in 1795. It has been placed by the Tafelronde, the Dutch branch of The International Order of the Round Table. Enough cool elements but what is the best fit for this waymark?

 

Well, I would try the round table category first.

[Becktracker]

On 9/16/2021 at 9:40 PM, ScroogieII said:

 

Sounds like Political Revolutions might be a fit.

Thanks! It's approved! As a bonus it's the first political revolutions wm in the netherlands! The knights of the round table dont have a category right now, could be a fun category...

[+ScroogieII]

On 9/18/2021 at 7:06 AM, Becktracker said:

Thanks! It's approved! As a bonus it's the first political revolutions wm in the netherlands! The knights of the round table dont have a category right now, could be a fun category...

 

Great to hear that it's been approved.

 

From your Waymark:

" the citizens of the Netherlands also seized power instead of the elite and nobility. To mark this, freedom trees were placed everywhere, including here in front of the town hall."

From that I must assume that there are many, many more Political Revolutions Waymarks to be had in The Netherlands! Go Get 'Em!! 

Keith

[+Smurffaaja]

I have trouble to find any suitable category for illuminated art. We have huge DNA-spiral kind of illuminated art on powerplant. It is visible mostly during evening / night time. Belongs to city's artcollection.

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Water_Memory-Vesimuisti_1_AB.JPG

[+PISA-caching]

See 

but it never came true. I wonder how permanent this kind of art is.

[+ScroogieII]

On 9/28/2021 at 2:26 AM, Smurffaaja said:

I have trouble to find any suitable category for illuminated art. We have huge DNA-spiral kind of illuminated art on powerplant. It is visible mostly during evening / night time. Belongs to city's artcollection.

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Water_Memory-Vesimuisti_1_AB.JPG

 

Terve serkku Kai - How goes it over there? I would write you, but my life is so deadly dull these days I can't find anything to write - unless I were to resort to prevarication, fantasy and hyperbole. 

 

Anyhow, about that Water memory, light art work thingie: It's not kinetic, it's not realistic, it's not figurative, it's not silhouette - in fact it's not a whole lotta things.

I see that it's actually in Turku, which is good in case you need to go and get more pix.

Given what it's not, I am gonna say that IF you had some nice day AND night shots of it AND you did a really great writeup I just might accept it in Abstract Public Sculptures. 

 

After all, if it shows well in your pix and reads well in your writeup it deserves a place in Waymarking.

So go get those pix, if you don't have them already, write it up and send it in. At this time of the year night shots in Turku ought to be a proverbial walk in the park.

Serkkusi, Keith

 

[Becktracker]

I visited an Old Catholic Church in Schoonhoven. The church isn't old enough to go in 'This old church' and it isn't a Roman Catholic church. It isnt a Rijksmonument. Can it go in Religious buildings multifarious? Does anyone have an other idea?

[+Ariberna]

Why not? 

is Catholic-  Roman Catholic Church, it puts in the information panel: kathoilike

[+pmaupin]

1 hour ago, Ariberna said:

Why not? 

is Catholic-  Roman Catholic Church, it puts in the information panel: kathoilike

It is not Roman Catholic, but old catholic church.

[+pmaupin]

2 hours ago, Becktracker said:

I visited an Old Catholic Church in Schoonhoven. The church isn't old enough to go in 'This old church' and it isn't a Roman Catholic church. It isnt a Rijksmonument. Can it go in Religious buildings multifarious? Does anyone have an other idea?

In principle, it should be accepted in the category "Religious buildings multifarious", but make it clear that it is part of "The Old Catholic Church". Definition: The Old Catholic Church, also called Old Catholics or Christian Catholicism, designates since 1870 the faithful who claim to be Catholics but refuse the Catholic dogmas of papal infallibility and the supreme and universal jurisdiction of the bishop from Rome. I hope it's gonna be all right. Phil

[+fi67]

Religious buildings multifarious is the right choice.

 

I am an officer of the Roman Catholic Church category; we do not accept Old Catholic churches. And I live in one of the very few areas where Old Catholic churches are not uncommon (which are the Netherlands, North-western Switzerland and Poland). I have posted dozens of Old Catholic churches to the Multifarious category.

[Becktracker]

Thanks, It is now approved in religious buildings multifarious and Wikipedia entries!

[+Max and 99]

Ideas of where this may fit? Not occupational monuments, which was my first guess.

 

 

[+bluesnote]

28 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

Ideas of where this may fit? Not occupational monuments, which was my first guess.

 

 

 

Have you tried Rose Gardens?

 

Other ideas may be WWII Memorials or Citizen Memorials (or both). I'm an officer in citizen memorials, but would send it to a group vote to see what others say as I think it's borderline.

[+Max and 99]

On 3/29/2022 at 10:24 PM, bluesnote said:

 

Have you tried Rose Gardens?

 

Other ideas may be WWII Memorials or Citizen Memorials (or both). I'm an officer in citizen memorials, but would send it to a group vote to see what others say as I think it's borderline.

Rose Gardens. Of course. Thanks!

Edit: I might not be able to waymark this rose garden at all now. I'd have to make the 2-hour trip again, and hope there's a rose to photograph. No rose, no waymark.

Maybe The Snowdog can pick this one up.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Max and 99

[+ScroogieII]

On 3/29/2022 at 7:53 PM, Max and 99 said:

Ideas of where this may fit? Not occupational monuments, which was my first guess.

 

What's the location?

You may well have a World War II Site, given its location.

War manufacturing plant? Something like that?

My first thought on seeing your bottom pic was Boeing, Seattle. No?

Keith

[+sernikk]

 

That is a restored, original, water pump used by steam locomotives. I find them an interesting piece of history and I've run into some already.
Can there be any category fitting these? Or is it a category gap?

 

Thanks

[+FamilieFrohne]

Preserved Machines on Public Display comes to my mind.

And perhaps Railroad Museums.

[+sernikk]

12 minutes ago, FamilieFrohne said:

Preserved Machines on Public Display comes to my mind.

And perhaps Railroad Museums.

Thank you, the first one seems to be what I need

[+Torgut]

On 3/30/2022 at 5:14 AM, Max and 99 said:

Rose Gardens. Of course. Thanks!

Edit: I might not be able to waymark this rose garden at all now. I'd have to make the 2-hour trip again, and hope there's a rose to photograph. No rose, no waymark.

Maybe The Snowdog can pick this one up.

 

Also World War II Memorials / Monuments

[+ScroogieII]

On 4/29/2022 at 5:02 AM, sernikk said:

That is a restored, original, water pump used by steam locomotives. I find them an interesting piece of history and I've run into some already.
Can there be any category fitting these? Or is it a category gap?

 

By the most commonly understood definition, this shouldn't be acceptable in Preserved Machines on Public Display.

Machine, from Wordnik: "A device consisting of fixed and moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in a more useful form."

 

Yet, by another definition, from the same source, it could, while broadly interpreting said definition, become acceptable, "A system or device, such as a computer, that performs or assists in the performance of a human task" , as it assists in performing what would otherwise be a human task, that of providing water to steam powered locomotives.

 

A pretty loose interpretation of the general understanding of the word "machine", I'll admit, but potentially applicable, nonetheless.

 

Also, strictly speaking, this isn't a "water pump", as the pumping of the water occurs underground, likely accomplished by an electrically driven pump. This is simply an elaborate spigot, hydrant, outlet, etc. - can't think of a proper definition for it. 

Keith

 

Edit: Despite the fact that I once Waymarked a STOP Sign, one of our legendary Waymarkers (which one I no longer recall) once stated that:

 

"Not everything needs to be Waymarked".

 

Edit #2 - Looking once again at the photo, it appears that the spigot, hydrant, outlet, etc. stands beside what may well be a water tower, making this a gravity-fed spigot, hydrant, outlet, etc., and the water tower Waymarkable.

Edited April 30, 2022 by ScroogieII

[401Photos]

I'm trying to figure out where (or if) this might belong -- Would the Franco-American Heritage Center (home of the American-French Genealogical Society) fit in the "Historical Society Headquarters" category? Many French-Canadians, especially from Quebec, emigrated to Woonsocket, Rhode Island, (where this is located) for about a century starting in the 1840's.  From the organization's "About" webpage:

"The mission of the American-French Genealogical Society is to:

•     Collect, preserve and publish cultural, genealogical, historical and biographical matter relating to Americans of French and French Canadian descent;
•     Play an active part in the preservation of French and French Canadian culture and heritage; and highlight the role that they have played in the history of North America;
•     Maintain an educational, research and cultural center;
•     Conduct periodic educational programs and conferences to explore cultural, genealogical, and historical topics;
•     Disseminate cultural, genealogical, historical, and biographical information to members and the general public."

Thanks

 

---j/401Photos 

[+ScroogieII]

On 5/16/2022 at 1:51 PM, 401Photos said:

cultural, genealogical, historical and biographical matter

 

A rose by any other name...

Given that the society deals in the above quoted material, I should think it would be acceptable after reading the category's requirements.

Keith

[+bluesnote]

On 5/16/2022 at 1:51 PM, 401Photos said:

I'm trying to figure out where (or if) this might belong -- Would the Franco-American Heritage Center (home of the American-French Genealogical Society) fit in the "Historical Society Headquarters" category? Many French-Canadians, especially from Quebec, emigrated to Woonsocket, Rhode Island, (where this is located) for about a century starting in the 1840's.  From the organization's "About" webpage:

"The mission of the American-French Genealogical Society is to:

•     Collect, preserve and publish cultural, genealogical, historical and biographical matter relating to Americans of French and French Canadian descent;
•     Play an active part in the preservation of French and French Canadian culture and heritage; and highlight the role that they have played in the history of North America;
•     Maintain an educational, research and cultural center;
•     Conduct periodic educational programs and conferences to explore cultural, genealogical, and historical topics;
•     Disseminate cultural, genealogical, historical, and biographical information to members and the general public."

Thanks

 

---j/401Photos 

 

It may be my keen eye, but on the bottom right of the building it seems like that's a corner stone. If you have a photo of that, you could submit it to that category. As far as other categories I'm unsure. Maybe this could mean there is a need to create a new category for: "non-profit organization headquarters and centers". I've seen a few like this which currently have no category to put them into. An example would be the DAR headquarters in DC which I have visited, and documented, but have no category to place it in. If there is a need, I'm willing to help develop that category.

[+ScroogieII]

10 hours ago, bluesnote said:

As far as other categories I'm unsure. Maybe this could mean there is a need to create a new category for: "non-profit organization headquarters and centers"

 

Mebbe we could hold off on that until we see that transpires with this one.

[401Photos]

16 hours ago, bluesnote said:

it seems like that's a corner stone

Keen eye, indeed. You're right!

Submitted and approved the other day:  1924 - Franco-American Heritage Center

 

Also: Veterans Memorial Museum and Photos Then and Now

 

It's that Historical Society Headquarters category...or any potential others related to that type of organization...that I'm curious about. 

The website also says they have "...over 20,000 books and nearly 7,000 reels of microfilm..." and "...is an affiliate library of the Family History Center in Salt Lake City, Utah", so I'm hopeful it'd be good enough for our Libraries category, too.  

Thanks, guys.

[+ScroogieII]

On 5/21/2022 at 9:13 AM, 401Photos said:

The website also says they have "...over 20,000 books and nearly 7,000 reels of microfilm..." and "...is an affiliate library of the Family History Center in Salt Lake City, Utah", so I'm hopeful it'd be good enough for our Libraries category, too.  

 

I don't see said library in the Libraries category, so my questions would be:

Have you submitted it to the Libraries category?

Has it been declined?

Having submitted my first Libraries Waymark many years ago I've not paid any attention to the requirements for an equal number of years, thinking I knew what I needed to know about the category, foolishly it may now seem.

 

If you have not yet submitted the library in question, this might serve as a good test case. Having just read the requirements (for the first time in years) I can see no real reason for its being unacceptable. It's worth a try.

 

Should it succeed in being accepted, others might take note of the fact, thereby broadening their horizons vis a vis what they may choose to submit. 

Keith

[+PISA-caching]

This time I have several questions:

 

1. Lately, we visited the city of Linz in Upper Austria, and noticed an interesting thing:

 

 

There are 286 years from 1693 to 1979, so I was quite sure that it's not some kind of anniversary. Back at home I found out, that a bell for a local church has been made in 1693 and put up for display here for a while, before it was moved to the church. To remember that event, a metal ring with the circumference of the bell and the year 1693 have been placed here.

 

And when the pavement was renewed in 1979 they added that year. Interestingly, there's even a Wikipedia page about it: Glockenring am Hauptplatz (Linz) – Wikipedia. However, I try to avoid creating WMs in the Wikipedia category, so I wonder what an appropriate category would be.

 

"Signs of History" came to my mind, but there is no sign at all. "Bells" won't accept it, because the bell is no longer there.

 

2. A little later I saw something similar:

 

 

This ring is for the "Pummerin", the most famous bell of the St. Stephans Cathedral in Vienna, that was donated to the Cathedral in Vienna by the province of Upper Austria in 1952 (because the former Pummerin had been destroyed in WW II) and it started it's journey to Vienna from this place. The ring also has a Wikipedia page: Glockenring der Pummerin (Linz) – Wikipedia. This time, they added at least a small metal sign in the middle of the ring with a little more information. But is that story about a bell being produced in Upper Austria and then moved to Vienna enough "history" to make it acceptable for "Signs of history"?

 

3. Somewhat similar: From time to time I pass a square in my hometown Vienna, called Freyung. On it, there's a small part of the original paving of 1200: See Datei:Freyung Alte Pflastersteine Wien 1010.JPG – City ABC. More than once I have thought about what category might fit here. "Preserved Architectural Remnants and Ruins" came to my mind, but the paving of a street is not "architectural", right? Any other ideas?

 

 

[Becktracker]

Ancient traces and roads for the medieval pavement? Mosaics for the glockenring in Linz?

Edited June 27, 2022 by Becktracker

[+PISA-caching]

From the description of the "Ancient Traces and Roads" category:

"The goal of this category is to locate an existing road that was originally a wilderness route." and "Also, this should be a major route and not just something a few miles long."

 

I doubt that this square in the center of Vienna was once a "wilderness route" and it's just a few meters long. :-)

 

And yes, the Glockenring in Linz is a mosaic, but IMHO not an artwork, but more of a memorial. Would "Commercial Commemorations" fit? It's not an anniversary, but the category description says: "... to celebrate or commemorate a business or corporation's anniversary celebration or some other entity, event, group, people or organization's milestone or celebration." IMHO that means: "... anniversary ... OR event...". Or do I misread/-understand that?

Edited July 1, 2022 by PISA-caching

[+Max and 99]

What category does this fit in? Each of the three events mentioned have a historical marker next to the monument, with more information.

My first thoughts are Graves of the Unknown (it seems to fit the category, except it's not one person),. Disaster Memorial?

 

 

 

 

[+FamilieFrohne]

"Desaster Memorials" seems to fit best - even if there are three different desasters. I would talk to bluesnote on this topic - he is officer in the category and helped me with a memorial half a year ago.

 

"Graves of the Unknown" might be a bit tricky as it is a mass grave and the description states that they want unknown individuals.

 

"Graves Mentioning a Cause of Death" came also to my mind, but might also be a bit tricky, because they want to have the names of the ones buried (see WM14TJK as an example). Perhaps Keith as an officer of that category might offer an insight on that.

[+Max and 99]

1 hour ago, FamilieFrohne said:

"Desaster Memorials" seems to fit best - even if there are three different desasters. I would talk to bluesnote on this topic - he is officer in the category and helped me with a memorial half a year ago.

 

"Graves of the Unknown" might be a bit tricky as it is a mass grave and the description states that they want unknown individuals.

 

"Graves Mentioning a Cause of Death" came also to my mind, but might also be a bit tricky, because they want to have the names of the ones buried (see WM14TJK as an example). Perhaps Keith as an officer of that category might offer an insight on that.

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't interpret the marker as indicating it's a mass grave, just that they are laid to rest somewhere in the cemetery "on these grounds", but you could be right!

[+K13]

On 7/2/2022 at 7:39 AM, Max and 99 said:

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't interpret the marker as indicating it's a mass grave, just that they are laid to rest somewhere in the cemetery "on these grounds", but you could be right!

I see that marker as a monument to all the various graves of the unknown souls lost to those three disasters who were buried in the cemetery. Clearly they are not in a mass grave, since the three disasters happened several years apart from the other. It looks like a three-in-one for a Disaster Memorial category.

[+Max and 99]

I just found this news article, which indicates each of the three disasters does have a mass grave!

 

"The grant is funding the production and installation of fifteen storyboard signs throughout the cemetery. One will tell the story of each of the three Pueblo tragedies and their corresponding mass grave sites at Roselawn. "

 

Historical society story: Roselawn Cemetery Pueblo CO Memorial for 3 Disasters

 

Pueblo Cemetery honors unmarked mass grave

 

 

Reviewed and approved. ✅

Thanks everyone for your help.

https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM16D82_Pueblo_Tragedy_Memorial_Roselawn_Cemetery_Pueblo_Colorado

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Max and 99

[+PISA-caching]

 

This is a memorial for Franz Graf Kinsky, who served in several wars, but later was the director of the Military Academy in Wr. Neustadt. The inscription says:
 

Franz Count Kinsky
Imperial and Royal Privy Councillor and Chamberlain
General ordnance master
Owner of a regiment on foot
Chief Director
of the
Military Academy at Wiener Neustadt
from the year MDCCLXXXI to MDCCCV

from grateful pupils

 

As this is from "grateful pupils" and doesn't mention any war he has been to, it's (IMHO) not a veteran's memorial, but it's not a citizen memorial either. What would you suggest?

[Becktracker]

It's a count so it can be posted under monarchs of the world

[+fi67]

5 minutes ago, Becktracker said:

It's a count so it can be posted under monarchs of the world

Only a tiny little fraction of the Counts of the world have ever been reigning monarchs and certainly not an 18th century Austrian.

 

I'd go for Citizen Memorials and turn a blind eye on the many nitpick arguments* against it. It fits the spirit of the category.

 

*strictly speaking, a subject of an emperor is not a citizen; a nobleman is not a citizen either. Military academies are not a civilian organizations. And  their graduates are not civilians/citizens (at least not always).

[+FamilieFrohne]

As a military man who served in several wars, the memorial probably could go into Specific Veteran Memorials.

 

Edit: See Wikipedia article Franz Joseph, Count Kinsky

Edited July 14, 2022 by FamilieFrohne

[+PISA-caching]

The category description of Citizen Memorials says:
 

Not allowed waymarks

Please do not submit any of the following that would fall into other existing categories. These include but not limited to:

• Military Personnel. This includes military personal both living and deceased. However, if the memorial is acknowleding non-military accomplishments it will be allowed here.

Both serving in wars and being director of a military academy are not "non-military accomplishments". That's why I instantly ruled that out.

 

4 hours ago, FamilieFrohne said:

As a military man who served in several wars, the memorial probably could go into Specific Veteran Memorials.

 

That was my first guess too, and I just reread their category description and it says:

There are also many which commemorate single acts of courage or deeds they did during peacetime. This category is established to list these kinds of memorials which are not war specific.

 

Being the director of a Military Academy is a "deed they did during peacetime", no? Somehow I overread that "peacetime" sentence earlier.

[+PISA-caching]

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions.

 

[+PISA-caching]

https://Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm16EF5 has been approved in the Specific Veteran Memorials category. Thanks, FamilieFrohne.

[+ScroogieII]

Sure - Ice Skating Rinks

[Becktracker]

In Zwolle I saw this beatiful piece of industrial heritage. I thought to post it in the converted factories category, but it turnes out it wasn't a factory. The Dutch word: Factorij meaned Company or office building. I found out this building was in use as a parcel point, where people could pick up and deliver parcels, that where to be transported by the railways. A building from 1912 without any monumental status

[+FamilieFrohne]

Tricky - and I also have no idea, where it could be placed:

 

- It won't fit into "Train Stations/Depots" since it is nor was near the tracks (the station is nearly 600m away from Luttekestraat 15). Also the other railroad categories don't fit.

- It isn't/wasn't a store (at least none as given in the Waymarking categories)

- It is also not a "post office" in the classical sense.

- It is no museum.

- It does not have a year fixed to the building, so you can't place it in "Dated buildings"

[+Alfouine]

In Ghost Sign or converted factory, if it was a factory

[+FamilieFrohne]

8 hours ago, Alfouine said:

In Ghost Sign or converted factory, if it was a factory

As far as I understood the description of the category "Ghost signs" the lettering should be fading for a ghost sign - which would not be the case here since the lettering is done with bathroom tiles. But I'm not sure and since you are an officer of that group you would have more expertise here.

 

For the factory: Becktracker already mentionend that the building was never a factory, so it wouldn't fit there.

[+ScroogieII]

Looks kinda Second Empire to me.