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Is this a...thing? It is about 10  feet tall, mounted to a concrete base that has a diamond plate hatch on the floor, and is within about 100 yards of the Blackstone River. I thought it might be a river gauge at first, but found no measurement markings when I walked up for a closer look.

 

The upper part is a transparent amber-colored cylinder that encases a large threaded component. A United States Army Corps of Engineers "USACE" sticker is on that portion.

 

It has a cast iron base with markings that read "DYNATORQUE BG4" and "CHAPMAN PS 70-1 437". My Google search on the first term led to a product page that describes it as "...multiturn bevel-gear operator..."; search results for the latter are waaaaay off --  I'm fairly certain it's not a reference to Psalm 70... 

 

A crank handle was laying on the ground and looks like it would be used at the midsection in conjunction with the part labeled DYNATORQUE.

 

Is it some sort of water gate operator? And, most importantly, is it Waymarkable?!


Thanks in advance.


---j

 

PS: I have a few more photos, if that might be helpful.
 

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Just now, Becktracker said:

I am requesting the help of other waymarkers:

 

In a town in Brabant I came across a little house and found a sign that it is a communal freezer safe. This was built in 1960 before everyone had a freezer at home. You could become a member and then rent a freezer box. The boxes are inside a machine which rotates to allow access to the boxes. The sign states that it is one of the last active freezer safes in the Netherlands. Unfortunately, in the next village over there is also a working freezer safe so I can't use 'last of its kind'. I've tried household appilances to no avail. Can I post it in any of the Waymarking categories?

 

 

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If this is in the Dutch National Cultural Heritage register it can be posted on the  "Rijksmonumenten - Dutch National Monuments" category and if has a sign maybe it can be posted in the "signs of history" category.

Posted (edited)
On 3/12/2021 at 7:23 AM, 401Photos said:

Is it some sort of water gate operator? And, most importantly, is it Waymarkable?!

 

Judging from what can be seen in the photos, I believe you've made a pretty good, if not perfect, guess.

In one photo a small stream can be seen below the concrete structure, presumably flowing away. This is likely the gate controller for a storm sewer, possibly irrigation, outlet. The Dynatorque gear box is a right angle drive with 4:1 gear reduction at the cranking handle. It likely drives a screw, or threaded rod, which raises and lowers a gate below.

Looking again, I see that the threaded rod extends into the "transparent amber-colored cylinder", giving an indication of the state of the gate below.

There is the Historic Hand Operated Sluice Gates category. It's hard to say whether this would be accepted there, but it may be possible. The category's not all that busy.

 

Dynatorque gear boxes are made by Schlumberger. The BG4 is still listed on their website.

Keith

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On 12/17/2020 at 12:35 PM, sernikk said:

I recently run into this kind of memorial:

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which was placed on the 100th anniversary of regaining independence by Poland.

Is there currently any category where this would fit? I'm surprised that there is a category like "spirit of '76" dedicated only for the USA (specific and not global), but there is nothing about independence overall.

Relief Art Should take this as well...

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Just now, iconions said:

Relief Art Should take this as well...

 

As I try not to cross-waymark when it seems unnecessary I won't add it there, as it already fits into the proposed Community commemoration category ;)

But thanks for the tip!

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Just now, sernikk said:

 

As I try not to cross-waymark when it seems unnecessary I won't add it there, as it already fits into the proposed Community commemoration category ;)

But thanks for the tip!

The artwork, though, would fit quite nicely and would help someone should they be looking for art about those particular people - sometimes, it isn't just about running up the numbers when we cross-waymark, but people outside Waymarking looking for things and possibly coming into our hobby because of it...  :)  Just a thought.

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Posted
3 hours ago, ScroogieII said:

In one photo a small stream can be seen below the concrete structure, presumably flowing away.

Thanks, Keith.

 

I can go back to check out the lower side of the concrete base and grab some more pictures. I'll also see if that rock-lined culvert directs [storm drain?] water towards the river; I presumed it does since the topography slopes towards the river.

Posted
31 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

Disaster Memorial, or citizen Memorial?

https://www.koco.com/article/new-memorial-honors-remembers-moore-high-school-runners-killed-by-drunken-driver/35832192

 

New memorial honors, remembers Moore High School runners killed by drunken driver

 

 

 

as terrible as the Moore school deaths were, I personally would not consider them a disaster. I would go with Citizen Memorial. It fits there perfectly.

 

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On 3/15/2021 at 3:47 PM, vulture1957 said:

as terrible as the Moore school deaths were, I personally would not consider them a disaster. I would go with Citizen Memorial. It fits there perfectly.

 

 

Interesting. I decide such a problem like this: If the person did do something remarkable and was therefore honoured with a memorial, it's a Citizen Memorial (to me). If several people were killed in an accident and the memorial is there, because of the accident (of otherwise unknown persons), it's a disaster memorial (f.e. https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm10E9V). Different people, different opinions. :-)

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from the category description:

Wikipedia defines a disaster as the impact of a natural or man-made hazard that negatively affects society or environment.

 

I cannot see where this negatively effected society. They haven't even changed traffic patterns at the school to try to prevent something similar in the future.

 

9/11 - changed airline security worldwide. OKC Bombing - changed security around government buildings (at least in the US). Titanic - changed procedures in ships (required a radioman 24/7, required lifeboats for every person on board, etc). Exxon Valdez destroyed the Alaskan ecosystem for decades. These make the cut for a disaster. My simple opinion.

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Wait a minute. It says "that negatively affects society" and not "that made the society change something". A disaster doesn't necessarily have the effect that the society changes something. What do they do after an earthquake? The accident negatively affected society by killing several people. And maybe they haven't changed traffic patterns (as if that would stop a drunken driver), but at least they created that memorial to maybe make some people think before they enter their car with alcohol in their blood.

 

Edited to add: It's not that easy to find photos of these memorials for Europeans (the provided link doesn't work here), but finally I saw them in a video I found. Now that I have seen them, I would also suggest the Citizen Memorial category, because the plaques don't even mention the accident, but instead talk about the killed persons.

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On 3/15/2021 at 9:14 AM, Max and 99 said:

Disaster Memorial, or citizen Memorial?

https://www.koco.com/article/new-memorial-honors-remembers-moore-high-school-runners-killed-by-drunken-driver/35832192

 

New memorial honors, remembers Moore High School runners killed by drunken driver

 

 

 

I think it definitely applies in the Citizen memorial category. While I might not think that this was a disaster, some do. It was definitely a tragedy. Classifying a disaster is sort of subjective IMHO. It would probably be approved in the disaster memorial category as well.

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Posted (edited)

Just to be clear with PISA-caching and GGMorton -- I agree with your statements, and believe it could go in either or both categories.

 

Max & 99 asked what we all thought. I believe the better fit is Citizen Memorial. If I saw it accepted in Disaster Memorial, I would have no complaints. I am sure that families and friends of the students killed and the school officials view it as a disaster.

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Posted
9 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

A follow-up question. The memorial is for the three students who were killed, but each has their own plaque. One citizen memorial waymark, or one for each student?

 

I'm happy to only waymark one and leave the other two for whoever wants them. But if they go together as one waymark, then that's what I'll do.

 

 

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As an officer in the citizen memorials category, you should submit each as an individual waymark as the plaques are independent of each other. Only if they were mentioned on the same plaque should it be one waymark.

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Going through the photos of Albania I found one of the following memorial:

 

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The text says: In this country, on November 29, 1944, the day of the liberation of Albania from the Nazi-fascist occupiers, the 27S partisan brigade of the Shkodra region was formed.

 

So, what is the right category for this? Relief would be one, but I would like to add it to a category that better fits to the meaning of the monument, rather than just to the shape of it.

 

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3 minutes ago, vulture1957 said:

could be WWII memorials in that time frame

 

 

Thanks a lot. That's what I also thought, but the category description says "dedicated to those who served in, or died during, WWII", but the brigade was formed after Albania had been liberated. Maybe the people in that brigade were fighting in WW II before the brigade was officially formed, but I don't know. 

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4 minutes ago, vulture1957 said:

could be WWII memorials in that time frame

 

I do want to mention, even though the Memorial does state the 27S Partisan Brigade, this is an irregular unit (non-military) and cannot be accepted into the Specific Veterans category.  I say this as the leader of the Specific Veterans category.
That said, it could go into the Citizens Memorial category if it isn't accepted into WWII.  
Hope that helps.

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I've found new courts in my neighborhood for a game called Teqball. As I understand it, it is a variation of table tennis, played with body parts or tennis rackets (depending on the variation). I thought it may be cool to add it on Waymarking, but I knew this one would be hard as this game is not the most popular one.

 

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I tried to fit this into the Tennis Courts category, cause I thought that's the closest I can get. The waymark got approved and then after few hours declined with the statement that this is not Tennis and the definition of Teqball (as I would not know what I'm adding). Sadly, no other category suggestions. I can understand that this is not tennis, but a similar game based on it in a way. I saw categories where people try to fit stuff that is only close to the main idea, but there is no problem with that. That was my understanding.

 

So the question is, does anybody have an idea in which category could this place be added? I went through many, but I don't see any fitting one, but maybe I skipped something ;)

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

maybe an idea for a new category -- Recreation - Sports Multifarious.

 

In my area, they have started making Pickleball Courts - which would have the same problem. When I was in school, we had a Flickerball Field - think Basketball-ish goal, played with an American football, absolutely NO CONTACT. Played a lot like Soccer, lots of passing, not much running with the ball.

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52 minutes ago, Alfouine said:

Try tennis facilities

"I tried to fit this into the Tennis Courts category, cause I thought that's the closest I can get. The waymark got approved and then after few hours declined with the statement that this is not Tennis and the definition of Teqball"

 

I meant Tennis Facilities, maybe I was not precise enough. As said, I tried but nope.

 

53 minutes ago, vulture1957 said:

maybe an idea for a new category -- Recreation - Sports Multifarious.

 

In my area, they have started making Pickleball Courts - which would have the same problem. When I was in school, we had a Flickerball Field - think Basketball-ish goal, played with an American football, absolutely NO CONTACT. Played a lot like Soccer, lots of passing, not much running with the ball.

 

I would love to see such category, as there is clearly a gap. Could even help out.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, razalas said:

I'm working in a category that would fit this, it started as a table tennis but at the time the draft it has englobe more types of similar items.

I will create a group to show the category.

 

Sounds great :)

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I'm the one who originally accepted it. I did contemplate whether it should be accepted or not, but I ended up approving it for several reasons. One, it is classified as table tennis. Another is that there is no other category that it would sit comfortably in. I believe we should accept them. I have no idea why the other officer declined it, but I would object to their decision.

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46 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

I haven't seen Pickleball courts, just pickleball being played on tennis courts. It looks like so much fun!! The pickleball store nearby didn't last long-it was turned into a barbershop.

check out Chicken N Pickle or

Greater Okc Pickleball Club

Address: 1312 S Pennsylvania Ave, Oklahoma City, OK 73108
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6 hours ago, bluesnote said:

I'm the one who originally accepted it. I did contemplate whether it should be accepted or not, but I ended up approving it for several reasons. One, it is classified as table tennis. Another is that there is no other category that it would sit comfortably in. I believe we should accept them. I have no idea why the other officer declined it, but I would object to their decision.

 

Thanks for your comment on that. I understand your reasoning and my was the same. No other category, similar, then why not? I can also see the point of the other officer, but this should result in creating a new category like proposed. A mix of various not covered activites or some smaller categories fitting exact sports. I think Waymarking should cover most, when not all, activities, exactly as it is done in other themed categories - there always is a "multifarious", where you can put your place, when all other seems not right. As said I'm happy that some steps were made and I'm ready to help or wait for the result :)

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On 4/13/2021 at 9:00 PM, Max and 99 said:

Yeah or Nay for Petrosomatoglyphs?

 

The category mentions "shoemark imprints on concrete" as acceptable, so it should be a Yea...

The imprints were true imprints from the shoes in question. Though they were done in bronze, then set into the concrete, that method is not specifically prohibited.

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19 hours ago, ScroogieII said:

 

The category mentions "shoemark imprints on concrete" as acceptable, so it should be a Yea...

The imprints were true imprints from the shoes in question. Though they were done in bronze, then set into the concrete, that method is not specifically prohibited.

 

That's why my answer would also rather be Yes, but on the other hand they were done with a bronze copy of the shoes by somebody else. That's why I would understand, if an officer said Nay. I would just try it and accept, whatever the decision is.

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On 4/19/2021 at 6:46 AM, PISA-caching said:

 

That's why my answer would also rather be Yes, but on the other hand they were done with a bronze copy of the shoes by somebody else. That's why I would understand, if an officer said Nay. I would just try it and accept, whatever the decision is.

 

Be that as it may Andreas, she submitted it and I approved it. Couldn't see any reason not to.

Keith

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Posted (edited)

Could someone help me out. Where can I fit Tram cars?

 

The closest I can get is "Static Train Cars" or "Permanent Car Displays", but neither of those seems to fit trams exactly. Is this a category gap?

 

Examples:

1) Serves currently as a tourist shop, but it is also a memorial that 100 years ago there were trams in this city (there is a plaque not far away)

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2) Permanent display of a small, private collection of tram cars. Really cool by the way.

 

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I found something that I think is quite interesting, but I'm not sure if it will fit into any categories.  It's a cornerstone from an old Episcopal church which no longer exists.  The cornerstone is sitting in a gardern next to another Episcopal church.  I've done some research and found out that the church of the old cornerstone was originally about 10 blocks away from where it currently sits. 

 

I thought about the Dated Buildings and Cornerstones category, but in the description it says, "* Orphan Cornerstones: Sometimes an old cornerstone exists separate from a building, eg if the original building has been demolished. A waymark for such a cornerstone will be accepted if: It's publicly accessible; It's in the location of the original building; You can demonstrate (eg a photo of a plaque or a web link) that the cornerstone is original."  

 

So, the problem with this one is that it is not in the location of the original building.  Therefore, I assume it would be denied.  

 

Does anyone have any other ideas for categories where this might fit?  Thanks in advance!

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Posted
5 hours ago, vulture1957 said:

I'd try Dated Architectural Structures Multifarious

 

 

And unfortunately I'd have to decline it. The cornerstone is simply a cut and dressed stone. In no way could I accept it as a "Structure". Sorry.

Keith

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Thank you for the feedback on this.  I looked at the Preserved Architectural Remnants and Ruins category, but noticed that it said:  "The Remnant or Ruin should be a preserved part of a man-made structure. It must provide an impression of part of the original building's architecture; a decoration, cornerstone, plaque, or small chunk of concrete is insufficient. If the Remnant does NOT provide some hint of the architecture, the waymark will be declined. If you have a cornerstone remnant, check this category. Your cornerstone might qualify there."  

 

The category they reference is the Dated Buildings and Cornerstones category.   So, despite the examples of cornerstones in this category provided above, it seems that according to the category description a conerstone alone won't work. 

 

 

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Lately I took photos of this plaque:

 

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It's attached to a building that was once known as the "Ober-St. Veiter Casino". In 1893 the "Deutschmeistermarsch" of Wilhelm Jurek was publically performed here for the very first time. In 1953 (60 years later) this plaque was made. It's a very nice Relief. So that category would fit. First of its Kind also comes to mind. Any better idea?

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The text says: "On March 19, 1893, the Deutschmeister March by Wilhelm Jurek was played for the first time in the Ober-St. Veiter Casino."

 

Community Commemorations is - as far as I know - for anniversaries of cities, counties, etc.

And Commericial Commemorations is - more or less - for everything else. At least it says "this category will accept all anniversary markers and monuments that are not about a country, city, state, or other place.". So, I will try this category. Thanks for the hint.

 

I won't try Reliefs or First of its Kind though.

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I recently came across a nice looking statue of a horse and am trying to figure out if it will fit in any categories.  I've included a couple of photos below.  My first thought was the Equestrian Statues category, but the description states that it must include a famous or historic person on a horse.  This statue is really focused on the famous horse, not the rider.   I then thought that perhaps the Fiberglass Horses category might accept it, even though it's not made of fiberglass.  But, the category description states, "Obvious bronze statues will not be accepted."  So, I'm wondering if this would fit in any other categories.  I appreciate everyone's help!  

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