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Country_Wife

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It’s not an exact replica, sadly. More of a notional replica; it apparently stands in for a house. 

“Kitchen shelter - Narcisse Fallardeau and his Kwantlen wife Hélène served the residents of the Big House from their house and kitchen at this location.” — from https://parks.canada.ca/lhn-nhs/bc/langley/visit/visit6

 

However, it is now posted as a Dated Architectural Structure Multifarious waymark: https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm18GM0_Kitchen_Shelter_Cuisine_2008_Langley_BC_Canada

 

Edited to add: The “Big House” was where the officers (management) of the Hudson’s Bay Company lived. Narcisse would likely have been a “servant” (employee) of the HBC. I’m better with the earlier history of the HBC, but I think Helène would have been unpaid labour, but receiving rations and housing from her husband’s employer. 

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Bear and Ragged

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19 hours ago, Country_Wife said:

It’s not an exact replica, sadly. More of a notional replica; it apparently stands in for a house.

 

Dont be fooled by the name!

Provide the correct photos and a decent write-up, it stands a good chance of being accepted.

(Check out some of the accepted Waymarks in the category.)

 

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"Note: As to the definition of exact, we will leave it up to your judgement to submit something that looks like the original. If you look at the item and you know what it is without thinking twice, then that should help qualify it as an “exact” replica. Replicas should be of a high quality since we are looking at permanent locations."

 

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PISA-caching

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During our vacation in Moldova I noticed a building with the Olympic Rings above the entrance. A little later I learned that it is the building of the National Olympic Committee. Now I wonder: Is there a category for these headquarters? I thought about Olympic Memorabilia, but although they list several Do's and Don't's I have no idea, if they would accept it.

 

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Bear and Ragged

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5 hours ago, PISA-caching said:

I thought about Olympic Memorabilia

 

Yes.

I've had a few post boxes (mail box for posting letters) accepted. In the UK the Royal Mail painted a Post Box Gold to celebrate 'local' Olympic medal winners.

 

Think its covered by the (my) bolded part of their description:

 

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While Olympic Games are hosted by a specific city, the individual venues, activities, and overall influence of the games can cover entire regions surrounding the host city. These games leave a legacy, not only in the venues used during the games, but in the many art pieces, monuments, markers, structures, collections, amenities and other memorabilia that remain long after the crowds have returned home.

 

ScroogieII

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Definitely go for it! I believe that Bear and Ragged will be proven correct, given that the building served as the "building of the National Olympic Committee" of Moldava.

Keith

fi67

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I am not sure. The category is about Olympic games and athletes that have participated. A national Olympic committee is the organization behind it and per se not part of the game (unless maybe, some specific games are domestic). So you cannot be sure to have your submission accepted, the description is silent about this aspect. But give it a try, then we know. Or ask the group to officially include those sites.

PISA-caching

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My WM was declined. The officer said that there is no evidence, that there is some kind of memorabilia there. The owner was sent a question about my WM, but didn't answer. Although I'm pretty sure, that there will be some kind of memorabilia in the building (the Olympic Committee is still there and I'm pretty sure that they are very proud about their rare medal wins and athletes), but I have no proof and I totally understand the decision.

ScroogieII

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I might try for this paragraph of the requirements:

"6. Olympic Non-Competition Venue Structures, (athlete villages, arches, bridges, decorative venue signage, plazas, countdown clocks, museums, etc.) - For athlete villages, unless separated geographically, multiple buildings in the same general area are considered one waymark."

 

The building is/was, by definition, an "Olympic Non-Competition Venue Structure". (BTW, buildings are structures.) Athlete villages, arches, bridges, plazas, museums, etc, should be included, yet not a National Olympic Committee building? Makes no sense whatever to me.

 

Though I've never been privy to the meetings or workings within the Olympic Committee of any country, including that of Canada's, I'm pretty sure that, within each country which participates in the Olympics, their national Olympic Committee is a pretty important part of that country's participation in The Olympics. Witness This Website. Though the country of Moldova appears not on the aforementioned website, that's not to say that Moldova's Olympic Committee was any less important to them than was the Olympic Committee of any other country intent on participating in The Olympics. Though It can't be stated with certainty, it seems to me that each country's Olympic Committee would appear to be that country's most important and influential body with regard to decision making vis a vis Olympics participation. Hence, the Olympic Committee headquarters of a small country such as Moldova, a country likely possessed of comparatively few training or practice facilities, should, in this context, be accorded greater than common stature with regard to its "Olympic Memorabilia" category acceptability, if solely for its outsized importance to the country's Olympics aspirations.

 

Google Maps indicates THIS to be the building indicated on their Olympics page, given the address provided. THIS is their home page, so it would appear that they're certainly not extinct.

 

Please give it another shot, Andreas - I believe it deserves acceptance. (not that I have any say in the matter, though, but it's DEFINITELY worth a shot.)

Keith

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fi67

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13 hours ago, ScroogieII said:

The building is/was, by definition, an "Olympic Non-Competition Venue Structure". (BTW, buildings are structures.) Athlete villages, arches, bridges, plazas, museums, etc, should be included, yet not a National Olympic Committee building? Makes no sense whatever to me.

 

The decision does not surprise me.

The building is not an "Olympic Non-Competition Venue Structure" in the spirit of the category. It may be (depending on the exact definition) an "Olympic Non-Competition Structure", but it is not an "Olympic Venue Structure" for sure. And for sure as well there are some Olympic memorabilia inside this house that would qualify as waymarks. But these are independent items and not the building.

ScroogieII

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On 9/1/2023 at 9:38 AM, fi67 said:

 

The decision does not surprise me.

The building is not an "Olympic Non-Competition Venue Structure" in the spirit of the category. It may be (depending on the exact definition) an "Olympic Non-Competition Structure", but it is not an "Olympic Venue Structure" for sure. And for sure as well there are some Olympic memorabilia inside this house that would qualify as waymarks. But these are independent items and not the building.

Fi Guy, I realize you're not an English language, first language, speaker, so I'll try to be as gentle as possible.

 

As I understand the language, "Olympic Non-Competition Venue Structures" and "Olympic Non-Competition Structures" would appear to be identical in theory, at least with regard to their purpose and this discussion, and that is to house or host all Olympic activities NOT directly related to competition. Neither is directly related to, nor houses, nor hosts, competitive events, hence are Olympic Non-Competition Structures, regardless of definition.

 

The only difference I can discern between "Olympic Non-Competition Venue Structures" and "Olympic Non-Competition Structures" is that the former would be located on the site of an Olympic venue, while the latter may or may not, yet would still be related to the Olympic Games in question.

 

To attempt to clarify further, would an Olympic "Non-Competition" venue exist? To me, it seems not.

 

That said, I remain firm in my contention that a building which has housed the Olympic Committee of any country, whether it continues to house the committee or not, is worthy of inclusion in said category.

Andreas, I would, have you not already, resubmit the Waymark, possibly adding gleanings from the above discussion, should you deem them valuable :wacko:. Good Luck. :D

Keith

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fi67

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Thanks Keith, you are absolutely right. This does not really make sense.

 

I just tried something to express my feeling that (and how) these two things are completely different. It did not work, of course. I cannot even blame the language. It does not work in any other language as well. It was just wrong.

 

But the feeling is still the same. For me, they do have nothing in common. Not nothing of course, but in relation to the category. I just have no idea how to define that. Anyway, it is not my category. If they accept it then I'm happy for Andreas, but if not, then I understand that. And I am also happy that it is not my job to find and understandable and acceptable definition.

Bear and Ragged

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Another thought...

 

Competition venue. Stadium/pool/track. where events take place.

 

Non-competition venue. example, where the competitors train or accomodation used when not competing...

Or stewards/judges etc meet to debate the competition.

PISA-caching

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On 9/1/2023 at 4:38 AM, ScroogieII said:

Witness This Website. Though the country of Moldova appears not on the aforementioned website,......

 

Tiny correction: Look for "Republic of Moldova" :huh:, but I agree to everything else you wrote. Right now, I'm pretty busy at work because all my other colleagues are on holiday, but I will (hopefully) give it another try soon.

 

I can understand all of the above arguments (pro & contra), and I'm very confident, that there is some memorabilia about the few Olympic medal winners and other athletes of Moldova in the house of their National Olympic Committee. It's just that I didn't enter the building and take photos of them and therefore have no proof for my theory.

Walking Boots

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7 minutes ago, Walking Boots said:

And this one https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm146P1_Kmpekrabben_Konrad_Fjord_og_Blt_Kerteminde_Danmark

..And in fact all these trolls created by recycling activist Thomas Dambo are also made of recycled materials..The trolls can be seen in several countries....

https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm13394_Hans_Hule_Hnd_Odense_Denmark

https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm13WBR_Strke_Storm_Silkeborg_Danmark

Country_Wife

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I'm (mostly) just posting to vent. I wish there was a category for "Inexact Replicas" or something similar. I wanted to waymark two things under "Exact Replicas" but it turns out that both of them are far from exact. One is a Frederic Remington sculpture. Remington made exactly 22 sculptures in his lifetime. This... looks a lot like one of his, except that it has been "edited". The "Trooper of the Plains" has had his sword and rifle removed, perhaps at the request of the Canadian purchaser. It would be odd to have an American soldier on display in a Canadian public place. So removing the sword and rifle make it less obviously American. Everything else is identical to Remington's original, and it is even signed "Frederic Remington" on the base. (There are *lots* of knock-off Remingtons out there, I have learned.) Apparently, Remington never made anything taller than 22" high during his lifetime. This is a faithful replica:

Trooper of the Plains - Perkins, OK - Figurative Public Sculpture on Waymarking.com

 

Oh well, I can submit it under Figurative Public Sculpture and now I have a few more fun facts in my magpie-nest brain.

 

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The other one is a replica of a 19th century fur trading post: palisade, warehouse, trading counter, accommodations, and all. It, too, turns out to be an inexact replica. It was built based on an archeological excavation of the original site, and written records and paintings. It turns out that the archeological dig mis-identified the fort (one of four built in that general area) , and that was only discovered years after the "replica" was built. Not only that, but the replica has four palisade walls, while original drawings show five walls. So, any idea what category that might go into? For what it's worth, the "replica" was built in 1966. As far as I can tell, there are no Waymarking categories that I can use for this one. I welcome any suggestions, though!

 

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Edited to add: Apparently the museum considers the fur post to be an "analogue" rather than a replica. 

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Bear and Ragged

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17 hours ago, Country_Wife said:

I wanted to waymark two things under "Exact Replicas" but it turns out that both of them are far from exact.

 

As an officer in 'Exact Replicas' given a good story as to why it ISN'T an exact replica tempts me to accept it...

 

If it was built as a replica to what they thought at the time... I'm tempted to accept it.

 

From Instructions for posting "The proper definition of replica is a copy made by the person who made the original although it is now commonly used to refer to any copy.

In this case any "copy" will suffice as long as it is an exact copy of the original."

 

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Note: As to the definition of exact, we will leave it up to your judgement to submit something that looks like the original. If you look at the item and you know what it is without thinking twice, then that should help qualify it as an “exact” replica. Replicas should be of a high quality since we are looking at permanent locations.

 

Or, have you been in contact with the category leader, who has said "No"?

 

 

https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm15TTW_Braintree_Railway_Station_Braintree_Essex_UK

"Exact" I dont think so! :lol:

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Bear and Ragged

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On 10/18/2023 at 9:07 PM, Country_Wife said:

Thanks for the feedback— that’s reassuring! I’ll do up the waymark and submit it soon. 

 

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The other one is a replica of a 19th century fur trading post: palisade, warehouse, trading counter, accommodations, and all. It, too, turns out to be an inexact replica.

Accepted. :)

By one of the other officers, before I'd even seen it!

(Very nice write-up. Wish a few others would/could put in the effort.)

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Torgut

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Guys, I vaguely remember seeing a category for old vintage ads (not printed in a newspaper or magazine, ads in a public area, like on a wall or so). Can't find it right now. Do such thing exist?

Torgut

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50 minutes ago, fi67 said:

Maybe you mix Vintage Ad Locations with Ghost Signs. The first is for ads in newspaper, the latter for text relics in public area, often these are ads, but not necessarily so.

 

Ghosts signs work well for my WM, thanks!!
Or not. Mine is mosaic, not painted on the wall. 

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fi67

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6 hours ago, Torgut said:

 

Ghosts signs work well for my WM, thanks!!
Or not. Mine is mosaic, not painted on the wall. 

 

I am not very familiar with this category. The way I read the description, a mosaic has indeed a not very high probability to succeed. But I am not an officer, you'll know if you try.

 

Is it mosaic enough for Mosaics?

173Carver

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Hey Waymarkers! I’m lucky enough to live in Lincoln, NE which hosts the largest single stop Licorice Shop in the nation(possibly the world). It’s called Licorice International. Just to confirm, the best category for this would be candy shops under the business category, correct?

Thanks and happy Waymarking!

Max and 99

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3 minutes ago, 173Carver said:

Hey Waymarkers! I’m lucky enough to live in Lincoln, NE which hosts the largest single stop Licorice Shop in the nation(possibly the world). It’s called Licorice International. Just to confirm, the best category for this would be candy shops under the business category, correct?

Thanks and happy Waymarking!

I think so!

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PISA-caching

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On 2/7/2024 at 7:29 PM, 173Carver said:

Hey Waymarkers! I’m lucky enough to live in Lincoln, NE which hosts the largest single stop Licorice Shop in the nation(possibly the world). It’s called Licorice International. Just to confirm, the best category for this would be candy shops under the business category, correct?

Thanks and happy Waymarking!

 

Sorry for the late answer, but: If you have some documentation of the superlative (largest single stop Licorice Shop),  Superlatives - A Waymarking.com Category might be another category that fits. 

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The Snowdog

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Here's a new one for the thread, at The Falls in Wichita Falls, TX. It is a plaque from the Mayor of Niagara Falls (NY) sent in honor of the (much smaller and artificial) Wichita Falls. It's not really a Sign of History. What do you think? Is there a category for this one?

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Bear and Ragged

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Bit of a stretch, but Gifts from Other Countries?

https://www.Waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=f0e3401a-3fe8-4096-b9f5-e0872785c80a&lat=52.19285&lon=-1.7098&t=6&gid=3&exp=True

 

The deciding part is:

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We're looking for significant gifts for this category, not every small item (e.g., small recognition plaque, knick knack, etc.) given from one country/international city representative to another. If you have any doubt about whether an item would meet the significance requirement, please send a message to the group leader or one of the officers before posting.

 

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The Snowdog

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12 hours ago, Bear and Ragged said:

Bit of a stretch, but Gifts from Other Countries?

 

 

Pretty sure they want the gift to cross an international line. Now while NY may as well be a foreign land to me, and Texas prides itself on being a whole 'nother country, I don't think they would take it.

Torgut

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11 hours ago, elyob said:

 

Coat of Arms category?

Alfonso VI of Portugal 

 

No, they don't accept national coats of arms. So it won't fit there.

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