Showing DNFs on maps

February 5, 2012

I have seen lots of discussion here about whether folks log their DNFs or not and why. My own take is that DNFs are part of caching so I log them. The other aspect of that is that many of my DNFs are fun and worth a repeat visit for another go.

As my cache count rises, I find it increasingly difficult to remember which caches I've previously DNFd so I'd like to be able to see them on the maps, perhaps as a little blue, unhappy face.

This seems such an obvious idea that I am surprised it is not already implemented. Maybe it's not so easy to do or others just have no interest or perhaps I've missed a preference setting somewhere.

Any thoughts?

Ian.

February 5, 2012

AFAIK there isn't a setting to simply show your DNFs on a map.

What I do is bookmark all of my DNFs on a hidden bookmark list so I get notified when someone else either finds it or DNFs it, that way I can tell if I was at fault or not.

Then you can create a PQ from the bookmark list and display that on the map, this will even display the location of caches which have since been archived as well.

8.6k · February 5, 2012

Sure there is a setting... It would be a not found cache.

Yes, I know that you want to see one that you hunted for and didn't find (an icon showing that you tried), but is it really that much different than one that you didn't hunt for? It still shows as it was before you hunted it. Other than that little fact, there is no distinction.

....just looking at the other side of the coin. That's all.

Please, don't hit me. :lol:

9.3k · February 5, 2012

The fact you've been there and DNF'd a cache is a reason to return.

I'd like to see the DNF's marked on my Groundspeak maps.

Yes, I know there other ways to show on maps, but an integrated Groundspeak option would be easier/nicer!

1.6k · February 5, 2012

Although, I will often go into my geocaching details and click on 'Did not find it' and have a list of all my DNF's.... There's no 'map it' button or even a 'send to GPS' or PQ button from that list (unlike you can do on a bookmark list).

I could agree...seeing the BLUE frownie faces on the map would be nice to see - you've been here, kinda thing.

February 5, 2012

I think that is is a pretty good idea too. I almost always use the maps to plan a day of caching, so seeing a frowney would keep me on my toes.

February 5, 2012

I log DNFs, but don't want blue faces on my map. In fact, if this were done, I'd probably delete all of my current DNF logs and just bookmark DNFs instead. The burning desire to return and find the container isn't really there for me. It isn't uncommon for 1.5-2 years to pass before I bother to search again and I have no problem remembering them. The blue frownies would just be unwelcome map clutter. Unless there was a way to easily disable the feature, the non-DNF-logging group will just grow larger.

February 7, 2012

What I do is bookmark all of my DNFs on a hidden bookmark list so I get notified when someone else either finds it or DNFs it, that way I can tell if I was at fault or not.

Then you can create a PQ from the bookmark list and display that on the map, this will even display the location of caches which have since been archived as well.

Sometimes it is obvious how to do something once somebody else points it out. Thanks for that.

I think I'd still like to have the option of a blue face being displayed, but creating a switchable mapping option is probably more effort than would be justified by the return.

In the meantime your suggestion pretty much ticks all the boxes.

Thanks again.

Ian.

3.2k · February 10, 2012

I log DNFs, but don't want blue faces on my map. In fact, if this were done, I'd probably delete all of my current DNF logs and just bookmark DNFs instead. The burning desire to return and find the container isn't really there for me. It isn't uncommon for 1.5-2 years to pass before I bother to search again and I have no problem remembering them. The blue frownies would just be unwelcome map clutter. Unless there was a way to easily disable the feature, the non-DNF-logging group will just grow larger.

So they still will show up as active caches and you are likely to go there again when you really don't want to. Maybe logging the DNF and then putting the cache on your ignore list would be better. I do that a lot.

February 10, 2012

I log DNFs, but don't want blue faces on my map. In fact, if this were done, I'd probably delete all of my current DNF logs and just bookmark DNFs instead. The burning desire to return and find the container isn't really there for me. It isn't uncommon for 1.5-2 years to pass before I bother to search again and I have no problem remembering them. The blue frownies would just be unwelcome map clutter. Unless there was a way to easily disable the feature, the non-DNF-logging group will just grow larger.

So they still will show up as active caches and you are likely to go there again when you really don't want to. Maybe logging the DNF and then putting the cache on your ignore list would be better. I do that a lot.

No, there is no need for me to place them on the ignore list. The situation isn't that I try to avoid the geocaches I have DNFed. When I am in the area again, it will likely get another attempt if the container doesn't appear to be missing and if time permits. The geocache density is very high in my area. It just often takes that long for me to return to the DNF's location, especially if I have found all of the other caches nearby.

March 4, 2012

I have seen lots of discussion here about whether folks log their DNFs or not and why. My own take is that DNFs are part of caching so I log them. The other aspect of that is that many of my DNFs are fun and worth a repeat visit for another go.

As my cache count rises, I find it increasingly difficult to remember which caches I've previously DNFd so I'd like to be able to see them on the maps, perhaps as a little blue, unhappy face.

This seems such an obvious idea that I am surprised it is not already implemented. Maybe it's not so easy to do or others just have no interest or perhaps I've missed a preference setting somewhere.

Any thoughts?

Ian.

I think blue faces on caches that I have visited but not found would help me plan future caching trips. I hope this feature would be implemented.

Duke68

March 7, 2012

I agree as well, as I mentioned this exact same feature request in another thread (sorry, didn't find this one to simply comment on it). For the same reasons, I'd like to simply view the map of an area and see the blue frowny faces to see which ones I DNF'd...so I can look for them at a later date. Or another option would be allowing a PQ to display DNF's would work as well. In any case, it seems like a very simply request with lots of benefits .

1.4k · March 7, 2012

This would be a useful feature if it were possible to also switch it to showing the DNFs as unfound as well. Sometimes it's useful to see the DNFs, sometimes not.

March 19, 2012

+1 I would love to be able to see little blue frownies on the map. I believe they did this once upon a time and I know that there are lots of us who would like them back

March 22, 2012

Maybe the DNF icon could be square. I don't want a blue map! (Can you tell we log a lot of DNFs)

Edited March 22, 2012 by kenttela

April 9, 2012

This would be useful for me too. I hate it when I make a route of ones that I haven't found yet, and then I start to realize "I've been here before" - yup, DNFs from several months ago. Couldn't find it then, can't find it now... bah. If only I'd have known from looking at the map, I would have went another way and looked for different ones.

April 10, 2012

With an easy option to turn this on and of, I would love this. one thing comes to my mind thou: Many (or at least some) of the DNF caches gets archived after a short time. Do you think that those still should be visible as a frownie on the map?

April 11, 2012

...Many (or at least some) of the DNF caches gets archived after a short time. Do you think that those still should be visible as a frownie on the map?

You are unlikely to go and look for an archived cache, so it seems reasonable not to show it on the map. Anyway, caches archived after you find them disappear from the maps, it would seem sensible to employ the same logic with DNF frownies.

Happy caching,

Ian.

April 12, 2012

mmm the strange thing is as far as i remember last june when i started geocaching i remeber that those "blue" frown were on the map...

for the moment what i do is go to my profile page to show my logs and select Did not find ... but if found it later still there but by clicking on it i can see i found it..

Could be a "querry option" "that i logged a dnf" added to the "i haven`t found it" would list all the current DNF

We could then do a "that i logged a dnf" and add "found in last 7 days" to create a list of caches to revisit since they are confirmed there..

This could really be usefull... bu i really am sure that this WAS on the map Before... as i remember that i noticed that it was on the map but lacking a DNF icon in the gps... so i am sure it was There somehow!!!

7.9k · April 12, 2012

mmm the strange thing is as far as i remember last june when i started geocaching i remeber that those "blue" frown were on the map...

They haven't been there in the 3 years I've been caching.

April 12, 2012

Possible but strange that i can remeber seeing a map withe blue frown ;(

7.9k · April 12, 2012

Possible but strange that i can remeber seeing a map withe blue frown ;(

Is it possible you were using some browser addon like a Greasemonkey script?

April 16, 2012

This a visualization of one way DNFs could be shown on the map. A blue halo around the edges of a cache icone shows a DNF was logged. If you click oto view the full-size image you can see it better. This is helpful to quickly see caches that you DNFed sometime in the past, without loosing the cache icon by replacing it with a blue frowny face.

I submitted this as an idea into the old feedback system and it was declined because it represented multiple suggestions.

3.3k · April 17, 2012

I would definatly like to see a feature like this. However, this has been brought up before, and so far GS has not actioned it, so don't hold your breath.

June 5, 2012

I was about to post this as a new topic .... glad i used the search button now

I would love to see this too, currently i have a local area map in my hall with stickers over the DNF's.

I see DNF's as a challenge, there is one near me that is more like a nemesis and i for one would love to see on the GC map.

It would be great for when away on business/holidays too, if i go back to the same places i've post a DNF on one then next time i return to the area i'd think ahha that little blighter... im going to get him this time

I can understand that not everyone would want to see it, so working in the same kind of way as the option of seeing or not seeing your found caches would be good.

3.7k · June 6, 2012

This is a good idea, actually. It would be nice to see at a glance which caches I've DNFd on so I can pass them by if I'm not feeling up to it.

June 7, 2012

I think this is a great idea. Especially if there is a way to differentiate between dnf caches that haven't been found since and those that have.

14k · June 7, 2012

I think this is a great idea. Especially if there is a way to differentiate between dnf caches that haven't been found since and those that have.

I've really not at all interested in seeing cache that I have DNFd and subsequently found on the map but being able see caches with a DNF log and no subsequent found it log could be quite useful.

Actually, when the beta maps were released without the Google maps layer, and one clicked on a PQ query map preview icon, caches which I had DNFd *did* show up with a different icon, but as soon as you clicked on the Search tab on the map page the icon would change to a regular ammo can icon. At the time it was a bug, but it could have been an unintended feature.

Edited June 7, 2012 by NYPaddleCacher

7.9k · June 7, 2012

Actually, when the beta maps were released without the Google maps layer, and one clicked on a PQ query map preview icon, caches which I had DNFd *did* show up with a different icon, but as soon as you clicked on the Search tab on the map page the icon would change to a regular ammo can icon. At the time it was a bug, but it could have been an unintended feature.

I remember that, but it wasn't just DNFs. It was caches that you logged ANY log type on, like notes, NMs, etc. Not nearly as useful...

2.7k · June 8, 2012

I'd find this feature useful. It would help me visually locate caches that I've DNFed instead of having to guess if it is a new cache or one that I DNFed.

June 8, 2012

Sorry, I wasn't being clear, I didn't mean caches that I had found after a dnf, but that other people had found, so I can differentiate between caches that may have been muggled/abandoned and ones I was just too dense to find. ie: I would try those ones again, but wouldn't revisit one that hadn't been found by anyone since.

June 8, 2012

For some reason I thought the old maps had this feature. I've been caching for ~2 years and I thought this feature was available when I first started. Hmm

June 14, 2012

The maps on the Magellan Explorist series GPSrs will show a blue frowny on your DNFs, and they also show up on the Vantage Point maps if you use them. That may be where UMainnah and Frogmaster saw them.

July 18, 2013

I am in favor of the BLUE DNF smiley on maps. If there is a special icon for premium and owned, then why not DNF. It just makes sense and provides value.

Edited July 18, 2013 by GeoYakr

July 18, 2013

That would be cool. But what i'd like to see even more is a measuring tool on the cache maps. The one like google maps has.

July 18, 2013

Blue smiley for DNF would be so helpful when you are out on the Geotrail!

3.7k · July 18, 2013

I am in favor of the BLUE DNF smiley on maps. If there is a special icon for premium and owned, then why not DNF. It just makes sense and provides value.

ditto. they could even just leave the graphic depicting the type of cache, but turn the background blue or some other color. that way you could still tell what type of cache it is...similar to how they are greyed out when the cache is disabled.

Edited July 18, 2013 by J Grouchy

July 18, 2013

Yeah, a blue frownie would be cool. Not the first time this has actually been suggested, IIRC. I think I've seen it suggested somewhere along the line. After all, the system is intelligent enough to know the ones I did find, why not the ones I didn't?

And, while we're at it, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see where the archived caches were too. Those don't show up on the map at all, yet they're still part of the DB. But, since I can manipulate the data in a lot more ways in GSAK, I don't let this limitation stop me on Groundspeak.

July 19, 2013

I like the blue smilies idea as well. Or at least the blue halos around them. Makes it easier to find them. For now I have a bookmark list but that doesn't show up on the map....

July 29, 2013

I would love to be able to view my DNF's on the map along with all of my finds. When I first started geocaching I remember being surprised that the little blue faces didn't show up on the map, so I had to make a list of any caches I didn't find so I didn't forget them. Having on the map would be so much better. (Not sure why this hasn't been done already.)

August 5, 2013

This would be great for me too. I do a lot of my caching by bike, so sometimes I miss one by cycling past. It'd be nice to be able to go back and find one I'd missed - at the moment I can't tell if I visited or not. I'm not that OCD that I need to get every single one in my area - but I do like to know I've tried, and at least I have found the location. Perhaps that's not purist caching. Also I use the map to plan a route to pick up caches - and having ones that I've already visited but DNF simply makes that harder. A simple extension of the logic that reads the found flag would work - and an option in configuration to choose to show DNFs or not.

August 9, 2013

How about customizable icons?

Just have a dozen or so different icons avail. that a user could name and choose to use for "whatever" ..emoticons for maps :anitongue:

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