+CO Admin Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by WVDan:I'm a little confused here. What is considered . <BR><BR><a href=http://www.keenpeople.com/stats/ target=_blank><img src=http://www.keenpeople.com/components/mystats.php?userid=WVDan&vopt=user&txtdata=Hillbilly+geocaching&bgcol=ffff00&fgcol=0000ff border=0></a> As Jeremy said in the post above you "People who are still logged in will continue to have their signature line for a while." The Frog is my friend Quote Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 So, because some people had huge graphics in sig lines we all have to suffer? Why not a polite, firm, private email asking the offender to remove the graphic? I mean was this... ...offensive to anyone? I mean come on. It simply doesn't make any sense. CR Quote Link to comment
+woodsters Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 In repsonse to cruzins last message, didn't wanna quote everything there, but why couldn't the sig line thing be another premium member feature? Brian www.woodsters.com Quote Link to comment
+CO Admin Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Bloencustoms:Does this mean the IP sniffers are gone as well? [This message was edited by Bloencustoms on March 32, 1999 at 25:60 PM] On new posts, yes. I work for the QOFE that works for the Frog The Frog is my friend Quote Link to comment
Jomarac5 Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote: Sissy-n-CR wrote:So, because some people had huge graphics in sig lines we all have to suffer? Why not a polite, firm, private email asking the offender to remove the graphic? You know, you probably have something here -- why not make an addition to the forum rules about sig lines and just put something like "Animated gifs or images wider than 400 pixels or a height more than 100 pixels are not allowed". This way the none-intrusive sig line images (like your own -- which I personally do not have a problem with -- I think it's cool) could be removed if necessary. And as you suggest, all it would probably take is a nice e-mail bringing attention to the sig line rules. ***** You need a good command of the language to be a moderator. Quote Link to comment
+WVDan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I must be getting to old. What are IP sniffers? How were they in the forums? I bought a GPSr so the ladies would stop telling me to get lost. It didn't work . <BR><BR><a href=http://www.keenpeople.com/stats/ target=_blank><img src=http://www.keenpeople.com/components/mystats.php?userid=WVDan&vopt=user&txtdata=Hillbilly+geocaching&bgcol=ffff00&fgcol=0000ff border=0></a> Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Jeremy, I think you need a vacation. ==============="If it feels good...do it"================ **(the other 9 out of 10 voices in my head say: "Don't do it.")** . Quote Link to comment
+RobertM Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by sept1c_tank:Jeremy, I think you need a vacation. Actually, I think CO Admin needs a vacation, or two! Any bets on how long this will last before it gets deleted. Quote Link to comment
+Bilder Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 This was an issue on a game forum I used to frequent. Sig images got so large and numerous that it took over a minute to load a message thread. And that was on cable! I would have hated to be a poor guy on dial up trying to read that board. I think this is a good call. Does not mean that images are gone for good. Just remove them while some guidelines are developed. It also helps stop those IP sniffers from farming information off the forums as well. That is probably the big reason they have been removed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have never been lost. Been awful confused for a few days, but never lost! N61.12.041 W149.43.734 Quote Link to comment
+rldill Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:From http://ubbx.Groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=54160729&p=2: quote:Originally posted by CacheMonkeez:How much longer do you think gc.com is going to take this flaunting of stats? I guess this topic answers that question! Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ihazeltine/bandbass.gif http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NM_Geo/http://www.keenpeople.com/stats/ QUOTE]Originally posted by Sissy-n-CR: Whatever... Are avatars next? Resize and move the stats to an avatar and they most likely will go also. Former EarthNOlink user!!!!!!!!! Take a chance or you'll never know. Let your spirits soar! Quote Link to comment
Tacomahunter Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I am not sure the argument here .... Is it all the stats lines that are offending? It sure seems that with all the people tagging the stats that a message is being sent... Is anyone listening? Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote: Is anyone listening? We may be about to find out! ==============="If it feels good...do it"================ **(the other 9 out of 10 voices in my head say: "Don't do it.")** . Quote Link to comment
+Doc-Dean Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I would also be in favor of developing some guidelines on using images in tag lines... --------------------------------------------------- Free your mind and the rest will follow Quote Link to comment
+El Diablo Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I think instead of doing away with the images in the sig lines they should be limited in size. Such as the frogs in CO Admins sig line. The frogs are an image...right? El Diablo Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse. http://www.geo-hikingstick.com Quote Link to comment
+Bloencustoms Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 As long as you can still fit a pixel... [This message was edited by Bloencustoms on March 32, 1999 at 25:60 PM] Quote Link to comment
+CO Admin Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by El Diablo:I think instead of doing away with the images in the sig lines they should be limited in size. Such as the frogs in CO Admins sig line. The frogs are an image...right? El Diablo Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse. http://www.geo-hikingstick.com No the frogs are not an The Frog is my friend Quote Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Jeremy, can you tell us how many emails you've received asking for images to be removed from sig lines? I would think we have more people asking for virtuals to be separate like benchmarks or a leaderboard for stats. You admit that it's only been the last few weeks for the sig line thing, but the stats and virtual discussions have been going on for months, yet no action has been taken on these issues. Why did this one get such prompt attention? Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness Quote Link to comment
Tacomahunter Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Off Topic Erased CO Admin [This message was edited by CO Admin on October 10, 2003 at 06:37 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+Doc-Dean Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:Jeremy, can you tell us how many emails you've received asking for images to be removed from sig lines? I would think we have more people asking for virtuals to be separate like benchmarks or a leaderboard for stats. You admit that it's only been the last few weeks for the sig line thing, but the stats and virtual discussions have been going on for months, yet no action has been taken on these issues. Why did this one get such prompt attention? I can't wait to hear this explaination, if you get one... --------------------------------------------------- Free your mind and the rest will follow Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote: Why did this one get such prompt attention? Stats. ==============="If it feels good...do it"================ **(the other 9 out of 10 voices in my head say: "Don't do it.")** . Quote Link to comment
Vacman Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I guess the only thing constant is change.. ... I wonder if keenpeople.com had anything to do with it.... Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:Jeremy, can you tell us how many emails you've received asking for images to be removed from sig lines? Sure. I have received around 10 emails a day for the past week and a half from geocachers who read the forums. Before that it was only a couple a day (along with the hundreds of other more common questions), so it really wasn't a priority issue. The recent formatting with the cache page introduced some string functions that could apply directly to this issue, so we decided to apply it to the logins in the forums to respond to this growing issue. To be honest, it wasn't really that prompt. I have been wanting better control over cache pages for a while now. The GPX problems specificially initiated the code to be written, since some characters (Especially from offending word documents) were getting into the GPX files and breaking other code that was formatting it into html and other file types. Since we implemented this code, so too did we apply it to the forums. With the continuing move over to dot net, we are starting to integrate the site and share code, which will ultimately make everything uniform. This is just one of those changes. After implementing the change in the forums -over the past few hours I have received 12 emails thanking me for the change, but didn't want to speak up and be labled a "suck up" or "brown noser" or "lackey" (using some of the terms the emailers gave me). Apparently folks in support of Groundspeak fear retributon for the more angst ridden posters here in the forums. That is unfortunate. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Quote Link to comment
+RobertM Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Originally posted by Vacman:I guess the only thing constant is change.. QUOTE] Nope, the only thing constant is CO Admin deleting posts. Seems some moderators have too much time on their hands. Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Vacman:... I wonder if keenpeople.com had anything to do with it.... The images at the bottom of every post was certainly a part of it. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by RobertM:Nope, the only thing constant is _CO Admin_ deleting posts. Oh the humanity! You want some cheese with that? Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Quote Link to comment
+El Diablo Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by beatnik: And to think, no more pumpkins from hell from Woodsters. At least it gave me an idea for a new avatar. -beatnik- Actually I think it was Woodsters pumpkins that brought all of this to a head. Thankfully I won't have to offer big discounts on staffs to get rid of them anymore. El Diablo Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse. http://www.geo-hikingstick.com Quote Link to comment
+Doc-Dean Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy:After implementing the change in the forums -over the past few hours I have received 12 emails thanking me for the change, but didn't want to speak up and be labled a "suck up" or "brown noser" or "lackey" (using some of the terms the emailers gave me). Apparently folks in support of Groundspeak fear retributon for the more angst ridden posters here in the forums. That is unfortunate. That is sad to see... Some of the forum people can be rough, but one of the important things to develop in life is thick skin. I hope some of those people read this and will try to be a bit braver. Big deal if someone calls you a "suck up" or "brown noser" or "lackey"!! Grow up! Those words are not going to hurt you. If you have something to say, spit it out and stand your ground! This is something you should be doing in all aspects of you life, not just in the forums!! Now please deposit 5 cents for the next 10 minutes! --------------------------------------------------- Free your mind and the rest will follow Quote Link to comment
Swagger Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy: quote:Originally posted by Vacman:... I wonder if keenpeople.com had anything to do with it.... The images at the bottom of every post was certainly a part of it. What made them worse than other graphics that were 3-4 times their size? -- Pehmva! [sTATS IMAGE REMOVED BY OVERBEARING ADMINS] Random quote: [RANDOM QUOTE IMAGE REMOVED BY OVERBEARING ADMINS] Quote Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy: quote:Originally posted by Vacman:... I wonder if keenpeople.com had anything to do with it.... The images at the bottom of every post was certainly a part of it. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Thanks for answering my first question promptly. (I'm not afraid to give credit where it is due) One more question, since you mentioned stats: Humans are competitive by nature, why resist that by not allowing or building a leaderboard for stats here? I don't just want stats for the competition, I like to see what the cachers in my area are up to. We used to be able to check Dan's leaderboard and see where our friends were caching, now I have to follow a bunch of links to find local cachers and see what new finds they've posted. Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness Quote Link to comment
+The Cache Couple Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Let me say that I agree with the decision. I have seen on these forums before that the average age of people that are here is somewhere in the neighborhood of 35. This makes me scratch my head because at times if I hadn't read this number I would have thought that the average age would be somewhere around 10-12 yrs old by the remarks on some of the posts. I have had the pleasure to meet some super nice people through geocaching but some of the people that post on here with an argument or reply that is obviously trying to trigger someone is simply, in my opinion childish. Folks it's time to step back and realize that things change over time and with growth. Just think that tomorrow is Saturday and I would assume that a high average of us are off work. With that in mind understand that you STILL can get up and use this site to enjoy many caches for FREE if you choose! Take advantage of it and try to loosen up a bit. Happy caching all! Now it's time for me to get flamed, but that's ok because I got thick skin. The Cache Couple East, TN Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Cruzin!:What made them worse than other graphics that were 3-4 times their size? You got me. Probably because before the 3-4 times size images weren't as prolific in the forums. A lot of modem folks were having problems just bringing up some topics because of the number of images they were forced to download. Most avatars can be cached but the uncommon images were causing longer load times. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Quote Link to comment
+seneca Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy:After implementing the change in the forums -over the past few hours I have received 12 emails thanking me for the change, but didn't want to speak up and be labled a "suck up" or "brown noser" or "lackey" (using some of the terms the emailers gave me). Apparently folks in support of Groundspeak fear retributon for the more angst ridden posters here in the forums. That is unfortunate. That is unfortunate, but I believe completely unwarranted. I have rarely seen instances of of anybody handing out "retribution" to those who support the great things done at this site by TPTB. It is more often the other way around: I have seen many instances of people berating others for voicing complaints (even on this thread). I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me. Quote Link to comment
+southdeltan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy:After implementing the change in the forums -over the past few hours I have received 12 emails thanking me for the change, but didn't want to speak up and be labled a "suck up" or "brown noser" or "lackey" (using some of the terms the emailers gave me). Apparently folks in support of Groundspeak fear retributon for the more angst ridden posters here in the forums. That is unfortunate. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location What is more unfortunate is that I've recieved emails from users and talked to people who want me to speak out on things (because of my pro-stats stance) because they are AFRAID of retribution from Jeremy and other GC.com admin. I personally don't believe that will happen - but apparantly there are a lot of people who do think that they can't speak their mind here if it goes against the sites administration. This is a much bigger problem that 'board bullies'. I think it's more than a coincidence this occured when the stats signature lines became popular. I may be wrong. I do wish there was some update on groups being able to create their own leaderboards - it's more than obvious that this is very popular - more and more people sign up for the keen people site every day. I've never seen one complaint about the image size of signature lines and as many newbies as we have surely there would be at least one that was unaware of 'board bullies' to post what he/she was feeling - I never saw that. I'm also curious about Geocaching.com's stance on people charging to set up and maintain stats pages that mine data from geocaching.com. I sent an email and never heard back about that one. I'd think that this would be a bigger issue than images in sig files. southdeltan Quote Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by The Cache Couple:Let me say that I agree with the decision. What does the maturity level of the post have to do with graphic sig lines? CR [This message was edited by Sissy-n-CR on October 10, 2003 at 07:43 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I saw the post title and haven't read any of the posts inbetween, but I assume Jeremy is taking a lot of heat over this. I'm emphatically in favor of the move. I'm sick of waiting 2 minutes for a forum page to load if I come in over a dial-up line and I'm sure all the graphics in the sig lines are part of the problem. THANK YOU JEREMY! And I think I speak for anybody who isn't using a broadband connection. "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm Quote Link to comment
+El Diablo Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by seneca: quote:Originally posted by Jeremy:After implementing the change in the forums -over the past few hours I have received 12 emails thanking me for the change, but didn't want to speak up and be labled a "suck up" or "brown noser" or "lackey" (using some of the terms the emailers gave me). Apparently folks in support of Groundspeak fear retributon for the more angst ridden posters here in the forums. That is unfortunate. That is unfortunate, but I believe completely unwarranted. I have rarely seen instances of of anybody handing out "retribution" to those who support the great things done at this site by TPTB. It is more often the other way around: I have seen many instances of people berating others for voicing complaints (even on this thread). _I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me._ I agree. I support this site 100 percent. Call me a brown noser or whatever. This site has brought me years of pleasure for next to nothing. I don't agree with all it does...but then again I'm a guest here, and like a guest in anyones home...I have respect for the host. El Diablo Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse. http://www.geo-hikingstick.com Quote Link to comment
+BeachBuddies Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Personally, it wouldn't bother me if there were no signatures at all. They're kind of amusing the first 2 or 3 times you see them, but by the 10th time, they're just a waste of space. Although I really like that one about the screaming trees... I have to laugh every time I see that one Quote Link to comment
+geospotter Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Doc-Dean:...one of the important things to develop in life is thick skin. One of the important things to develop in life is respect for others. Jeremy, I thank you for the decision. Discussion forums are for discussions, not billboards. Quote Link to comment
+JoGPS Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I am on a dial up , and its takes forever for a page to load sometimes and any help we can get for that is very much appreciated do away with the avatar’s to if it will be faster Thanks Big Time and for you others that complain about everything ESAD……….JOE Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I use a dial up and have not had a problem in the last couple of weeks, until today. It has been really bad looking at threads and trying to respond. Do not know if the removal of the sig items has anything to do with it. I think it may be due to other things being update on the site. Again, if TPTB decide not to have those things on their site thats ok with me. I did kind of like them tho. I liked the stats so I could keep track of my total finds. On the 'my cache page' it includes all logs and is not just a pure found count. Remember, wherever you go- there you are! Quote Link to comment
+shuccrum Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I wish I knew what y'all were talking about. "Be careful if you don't know where you are going because you may not get there (without a gps). Yogi Berra Quote Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by El Diablo:I don't agree with all it does...but then again I'm a guest here, and like a guest in anyones home...I have respect for the host. You're wrong. This is not a home. It's more like a club, a place to gather. He invited us to a place that looked in inviting and comfortable to be. Now the rules are changing. Sure, he's the host. But like any host who has rules I don't like, I ***** until they change the rules or I leave. Yeah, yeah, I know, "don't the door hitcha..." CR Quote Link to comment
+El Diablo Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Sissy-n-CR: quote:Originally posted by El Diablo:I don't agree with all it does...but then again I'm a guest here, and like a guest in anyones home...I have respect for the host. You're wrong. This is not a home. It's more like a club, a place to gather. He invited us to a place that looked in inviting and comfortable to be. Now the rules are changing. Sure, he's the host. But like any host who has rules I don't like, I ***** until they change the rules or I leave. Yeah, yeah, I know, "don't the door hitcha..." CR http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/72057_2000.gif http://www.keenpeople.com/stats/ It's like going to a night club, a movie theater, a restaruant, etc... They make the rules, they can change them at anytime. I never remember GC saying you could add images to your sig line...so they really haven't changed any rules. I'm not saying "don't let the door hit you in the..." However you have to respect the rules of the host or go play somewhere else. There are people that will say that they are a paying member...so? If you pay to get in a night club or a movie theater it dosen't give you the right to decide how they should run the estabishment. I don't care how much you pay. If you show your a$$ they will show you to the door. El Diablo Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse. http://www.geo-hikingstick.com Quote Link to comment
Jomarac5 Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Just out of curiousity, do these keenpeople.com stats graphics have anything to do with the deletion of sig line graphics? Seems that the timing for this is a bit convenient(?) as we're seeing more and more of these stat graphics on forum posts. If it is the case, why should it be a problem? It couldn't be the slightly negative article about this site that they ran on the front page of their site a few short weeks ago, could it? Perhaps Jeremy could answer these questions as no one else really can. ***** You need a good command of the language to be a moderator. Quote Link to comment
+El Diablo Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jomarac5:Hey Sissy-n-CR, I see by your sig line graphic that you have 366 finds -- very cool. That's nice to see, even though I don't give a hairless rats a** about stats. If memory serves me correcly, didn't the old forums used to have the number of finds in the footer area of each post? ***** _You need a good command of the language to be a moderator._ No...The only places the finds are posted is when you post to a cache page. They have never been posted on the fourms. El Diablo Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse. http://www.geo-hikingstick.com Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 The forum slowdowns lately are due to the number of users here in the forums, as told to us by InfoPop. Apparently we're running into issues with server capacity with their software, which is odd considering their clientele and the fact that our box is supposedly not shared with anyone else. I already indicated farther up the page that keenpeople.com stats were a contributing factor. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location [This message was edited by Jeremy on October 10, 2003 at 08:39 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+southdeltan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by El Diablo:It's like going to a night club, a movie theater, a restaruant, etc... They make the rules, they can change them at anytime. I never remember GC saying you could add images to your sig line...so they really haven't changed any rules. They didn't have to say you could add images. They left that option on when they started the forums. By not turning it off, they in fact did give permission for it to be used. quote:I'm not saying "don't let the door hit you in the..." However you have to respect the rules of the host or go play somewhere else. Where? quote:There are people that will say that they are a paying member...so? If you pay to get in a night club or a movie theater it dosen't give you the right to decide how they should run the estabishment. I don't care how much you pay. If you show your a$$ they will show you to the door. That may be true, but voicing displeasure is not necesarrily showing your rear. If enough customers don't like the rules, eventually there will be competition. I beleive that competition is good for customers, but not for businesses. From a business standpoint, every disgruntled customer is lost business. As it is now, there is no viable alternative. I'm sure that eventually somebody with the knowledge, the time and the talent will create an alternative. I don't know that it will necessarily be good for gc.com OR more importantly geocaching in general. Please do not interprete any of my posts as anti-gc.com. I agree with the majority of the decissions here. I am just vocal about the few things I don't agree with. southdeltan Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by El Diablo: I never remember GC saying you could add images to your sig line...so they really haven't changed any rules. It does say this on the 'modify account' page:Signature (For the forums) Note: you may include UBBCode™, UBBCode™ Images in your signature. Remember, wherever you go- there you are! Quote Link to comment
+El Diablo Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Corp Of Discovery: quote:Originally posted by El Diablo: I never remember GC saying you could add images to your sig line...so they really haven't changed any rules. It does say this on the 'modify account' page:Signature (For the forums) Note: you may include UBBCode™, UBBCode™ Images in your signature. Remember, wherever you go- there you are! O.K..my bad. El Diablo Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse. http://www.geo-hikingstick.com Quote Link to comment
+southdeltan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy: I already indicated farther up the page that keenpeople.com stats were a contributing factor. For clarification - is it due to 'keenpeople.com stats' or 'stats in general' ? I know it may seem obvious to you but some people may interprete that several ways. I sent a message about pay-for-stats sites (#47904) and I was curious about that. I know this is off topic but I feel it is related in some minor way. southdeltan Quote Link to comment
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