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The text on this commemorative plaque (attached to a street lantern) in Ohrid, North Macedonia is:


On this spot the Austrian Army erected the first electric street lantern in 1916.

'100 years electric light in Ohrid!'

Sponsored by: EVN Macedonia / The City of Ohrid / Austrian Embassy / Lions Club Lychnidos

 

Now I wonder what the best categories are for this plaque. Several come to mind: 'Lions Clubs International Markers', 'First of its Kind', 'Signs of History' (probably not), 'Commercial Commemorations' or is there one that I missed, but fits much better?

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11 hours ago, PISA-caching said:

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The text on this commemorative plaque (attached to a street lantern) in Ohrid, North Macedonia is:


On this spot the Austrian Army erected the first electric street lantern in 1916.

'100 years electric light in Ohrid!'

Sponsored by: EVN Macedonia / The City of Ohrid / Austrian Embassy / Lions Club Lychnidos

 

Now I wonder what the best categories are for this plaque. Several come to mind: 'Lions Clubs International Markers', 'First of its Kind', 'Signs of History' (probably not), 'Commercial Commemorations' or is there one that I missed, but fits much better?

 

The only ones that I can remember are the ones that you mentioned :unsure: 

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I guess that there is no good category for this one, but I wanted to share: If you go to the headline "Architecture and gardening" on the page https://aplacetoenjoy.com/our-adventures/ohrid-north-macedonia/ you will find the house of Krapche. This house was the model for the street lamps in the old part of Ohrid (North Macedonia) and I find that amazing. Our guide told us that, at the time the house was built, houseowners had to pay taxes according to the size of their house. So, they made a small basement to avoid taxes and made bigger floors above it to have more space within the house. Interesting, no?

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11 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

Need help. What category for these? I found about two dozen on the outside walls of a high school.

 

 

 

 

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I would try the "Relief Art Sculptures" category. If they say no, try frieze.

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Frieze Art is a go, for sure. Relief, possibly, possibly not. I think that, were I an officer in Relief Art Sculptures, I would deny it for its three dimensional form and because it would be accepted in Frieze Art, at least giving it one place to rest. I believe this to be the first contemporary Frieze Art I've seen.

 

The second one definitely needs a home. Figurative, because of the face mask, Relief, for the style.

Beyond that, all I can say is that it definitely needs a home!

EDIT: reading the Relief Art requirements tells me this is a shoe-in there:

"The relief MUST be a stand-alone piece of art ... ...  Relief Art can be defined as the carving or sculpting of an otherwise flat surface to create a design or feature. Included within the realms of Relief Art Sculpture are; bas relief, high relief and sunken. This category aims to catalog relief art sculpture of all forms."

Keith

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It's just not a frieze and i would approve them in Relief art category, but if it's already approved in Frieze art category, it's not possible to approve them anymore in Relief art category.

(Note: Reliefs that form part of an object that falls into another category are no longer accepted).

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12 minutes ago, ScroogieII said:

Guess what - You didn't have a  Plank Roads submission, did you. Just send me a few hundred  thousand dollars and we'll be even... ... .... ... ...

 

I'll tell you what. Just give the money to Sharon. She can send half of it up to me and the other half to Pedro - he's definitely deserving of the first half.

Keith

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20 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

It's to the right of your name. 

 

Looked and looked - it was all white space. Then Iooked wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy farther afield, as in on the whole other side of the page.

 

Admittedly, that's to the "right" of my name, but not really how I would usually describe "the right edge of the panel".

In any event, Thank You! Found it.

Given the money to Sharon Yet?

 

Think I'll go back and make use of that.

Why the HELL did they have to go and make that change?!?!?!?!?! Progress? Innovation?

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29 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

I was trying to give you a hint, not provide the exact location.

 

Heck, I'm too old to pick up on subtle, or even "hit me on the  head"  hints. What I need anymore is actual directions to the scene of the crime, complete with maps, pictures, circles and arrows (and GPS coordinates). :)

Thanks again!

(Sharon hasn't yet written, apprising me of the receipt of the money.)

Keith

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I am requesting the help of other waymarkers:

 

In a town in Brabant I came across a little house and found a sign that it is a communal freezer safe. This was built in 1960 before everyone had a freezer at home. You could become a member and then rent a freezer box. The boxes are inside a machine which rotates to allow access to the boxes. The sign states that it is one of the last active freezer safes in the Netherlands. Unfortunately, in the next village over there is also a working freezer safe so I can't use 'last of its kind'. I've tried household appilances to no avail. Can I post it in any of the Waymarking categories?

 

 

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Is this a...thing? It is about 10  feet tall, mounted to a concrete base that has a diamond plate hatch on the floor, and is within about 100 yards of the Blackstone River. I thought it might be a river gauge at first, but found no measurement markings when I walked up for a closer look.

 

The upper part is a transparent amber-colored cylinder that encases a large threaded component. A United States Army Corps of Engineers "USACE" sticker is on that portion.

 

It has a cast iron base with markings that read "DYNATORQUE BG4" and "CHAPMAN PS 70-1 437". My Google search on the first term led to a product page that describes it as "...multiturn bevel-gear operator..."; search results for the latter are waaaaay off --  I'm fairly certain it's not a reference to Psalm 70... 

 

A crank handle was laying on the ground and looks like it would be used at the midsection in conjunction with the part labeled DYNATORQUE.

 

Is it some sort of water gate operator? And, most importantly, is it Waymarkable?!


Thanks in advance.


---j

 

PS: I have a few more photos, if that might be helpful.
 

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Just now, Becktracker said:

I am requesting the help of other waymarkers:

 

In a town in Brabant I came across a little house and found a sign that it is a communal freezer safe. This was built in 1960 before everyone had a freezer at home. You could become a member and then rent a freezer box. The boxes are inside a machine which rotates to allow access to the boxes. The sign states that it is one of the last active freezer safes in the Netherlands. Unfortunately, in the next village over there is also a working freezer safe so I can't use 'last of its kind'. I've tried household appilances to no avail. Can I post it in any of the Waymarking categories?

 

 

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If this is in the Dutch National Cultural Heritage register it can be posted on the  "Rijksmonumenten - Dutch National Monuments" category and if has a sign maybe it can be posted in the "signs of history" category.

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On 3/12/2021 at 7:23 AM, 401Photos said:

Is it some sort of water gate operator? And, most importantly, is it Waymarkable?!

 

Judging from what can be seen in the photos, I believe you've made a pretty good, if not perfect, guess.

In one photo a small stream can be seen below the concrete structure, presumably flowing away. This is likely the gate controller for a storm sewer, possibly irrigation, outlet. The Dynatorque gear box is a right angle drive with 4:1 gear reduction at the cranking handle. It likely drives a screw, or threaded rod, which raises and lowers a gate below.

Looking again, I see that the threaded rod extends into the "transparent amber-colored cylinder", giving an indication of the state of the gate below.

There is the Historic Hand Operated Sluice Gates category. It's hard to say whether this would be accepted there, but it may be possible. The category's not all that busy.

 

Dynatorque gear boxes are made by Schlumberger. The BG4 is still listed on their website.

Keith

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On 12/17/2020 at 12:35 PM, sernikk said:

I recently run into this kind of memorial:

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which was placed on the 100th anniversary of regaining independence by Poland.

Is there currently any category where this would fit? I'm surprised that there is a category like "spirit of '76" dedicated only for the USA (specific and not global), but there is nothing about independence overall.

Relief Art Should take this as well...

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Relief Art Should take this as well...

 

As I try not to cross-waymark when it seems unnecessary I won't add it there, as it already fits into the proposed Community commemoration category ;)

But thanks for the tip!

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As I try not to cross-waymark when it seems unnecessary I won't add it there, as it already fits into the proposed Community commemoration category ;)

But thanks for the tip!

The artwork, though, would fit quite nicely and would help someone should they be looking for art about those particular people - sometimes, it isn't just about running up the numbers when we cross-waymark, but people outside Waymarking looking for things and possibly coming into our hobby because of it...  :)  Just a thought.

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3 hours ago, ScroogieII said:

In one photo a small stream can be seen below the concrete structure, presumably flowing away.

Thanks, Keith.

 

I can go back to check out the lower side of the concrete base and grab some more pictures. I'll also see if that rock-lined culvert directs [storm drain?] water towards the river; I presumed it does since the topography slopes towards the river.

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31 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

Disaster Memorial, or citizen Memorial?

https://www.koco.com/article/new-memorial-honors-remembers-moore-high-school-runners-killed-by-drunken-driver/35832192

 

New memorial honors, remembers Moore High School runners killed by drunken driver

 

 

 

as terrible as the Moore school deaths were, I personally would not consider them a disaster. I would go with Citizen Memorial. It fits there perfectly.

 

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On 3/15/2021 at 3:47 PM, vulture1957 said:

as terrible as the Moore school deaths were, I personally would not consider them a disaster. I would go with Citizen Memorial. It fits there perfectly.

 

 

Interesting. I decide such a problem like this: If the person did do something remarkable and was therefore honoured with a memorial, it's a Citizen Memorial (to me). If several people were killed in an accident and the memorial is there, because of the accident (of otherwise unknown persons), it's a disaster memorial (f.e. https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wm10E9V). Different people, different opinions. :-)

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from the category description:

Wikipedia defines a disaster as the impact of a natural or man-made hazard that negatively affects society or environment.

 

I cannot see where this negatively effected society. They haven't even changed traffic patterns at the school to try to prevent something similar in the future.

 

9/11 - changed airline security worldwide. OKC Bombing - changed security around government buildings (at least in the US). Titanic - changed procedures in ships (required a radioman 24/7, required lifeboats for every person on board, etc). Exxon Valdez destroyed the Alaskan ecosystem for decades. These make the cut for a disaster. My simple opinion.

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Wait a minute. It says "that negatively affects society" and not "that made the society change something". A disaster doesn't necessarily have the effect that the society changes something. What do they do after an earthquake? The accident negatively affected society by killing several people. And maybe they haven't changed traffic patterns (as if that would stop a drunken driver), but at least they created that memorial to maybe make some people think before they enter their car with alcohol in their blood.

 

Edited to add: It's not that easy to find photos of these memorials for Europeans (the provided link doesn't work here), but finally I saw them in a video I found. Now that I have seen them, I would also suggest the Citizen Memorial category, because the plaques don't even mention the accident, but instead talk about the killed persons.

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On 3/15/2021 at 9:14 AM, Max and 99 said:

Disaster Memorial, or citizen Memorial?

https://www.koco.com/article/new-memorial-honors-remembers-moore-high-school-runners-killed-by-drunken-driver/35832192

 

New memorial honors, remembers Moore High School runners killed by drunken driver

 

 

 

I think it definitely applies in the Citizen memorial category. While I might not think that this was a disaster, some do. It was definitely a tragedy. Classifying a disaster is sort of subjective IMHO. It would probably be approved in the disaster memorial category as well.

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Just to be clear with PISA-caching and GGMorton -- I agree with your statements, and believe it could go in either or both categories.

 

Max & 99 asked what we all thought. I believe the better fit is Citizen Memorial. If I saw it accepted in Disaster Memorial, I would have no complaints. I am sure that families and friends of the students killed and the school officials view it as a disaster.

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9 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

A follow-up question. The memorial is for the three students who were killed, but each has their own plaque. One citizen memorial waymark, or one for each student?

 

I'm happy to only waymark one and leave the other two for whoever wants them. But if they go together as one waymark, then that's what I'll do.

 

 

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As an officer in the citizen memorials category, you should submit each as an individual waymark as the plaques are independent of each other. Only if they were mentioned on the same plaque should it be one waymark.

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Going through the photos of Albania I found one of the following memorial:

 

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The text says: In this country, on November 29, 1944, the day of the liberation of Albania from the Nazi-fascist occupiers, the 27S partisan brigade of the Shkodra region was formed.

 

So, what is the right category for this? Relief would be one, but I would like to add it to a category that better fits to the meaning of the monument, rather than just to the shape of it.

 

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3 minutes ago, vulture1957 said:

could be WWII memorials in that time frame

 

 

Thanks a lot. That's what I also thought, but the category description says "dedicated to those who served in, or died during, WWII", but the brigade was formed after Albania had been liberated. Maybe the people in that brigade were fighting in WW II before the brigade was officially formed, but I don't know. 

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4 minutes ago, vulture1957 said:

could be WWII memorials in that time frame

 

I do want to mention, even though the Memorial does state the 27S Partisan Brigade, this is an irregular unit (non-military) and cannot be accepted into the Specific Veterans category.  I say this as the leader of the Specific Veterans category.
That said, it could go into the Citizens Memorial category if it isn't accepted into WWII.  
Hope that helps.

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