+Kryten Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Pay no attention to the cat and the vial of cyanide in the box with you. "Schrodingers cache" sounds like a good idea, but the superimposition of cyanide is in breach of the contraband guidelines. Besides according to Heisenberg you can never be certain you really found the cache anyway. Quote Link to comment
+gof1 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I recently created a new account and reloged all our cache finds. Do I now have to relog all the Did Not Finds? I think it would be unfair to have to go out and not find all those caches again. Is there any way that TPTB can just shift the numbers to our new account? Or do we loose the DNFs and have to start from scratch? I would ask over in the site forum but I can't find it. This post is sponsored by the tourism board of the state of confusion. Quote Link to comment
+puppymonster Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I stink at this game. I slipped out of the office a few minutes ago to go get a couple of DNFs on this rainy day. I accidently found both caches I tried for. Wow, and you thought '*"~I~"*' was bringing the sport down. Maybe at some point mtn-man will bring me to TN and I can give your caches the hind-leg salute. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Note to self: Invest in low-level electrified fence. Quote Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hmmmm... I might have to do some consultation with these guys on <special equipment>. http://www.dogbooties.com/specorboot.html This makes me think of another acronym though -- DDA*. *Don't Dare Attempt Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I wonder if the electricity will 'follow the stream'. Quote Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I wonder if the electricity will 'follow the stream'. Yes. Quote Link to comment
+4leafclover Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 ♪♪♪♫♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫ that's a tiny violin playing. Quote Link to comment
+the hermit crabs Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 I have an easy solution to the problem of what is a true DNF; we will simply put you and the cache in a box. As long as no one looks inside, you have both found and not found the cache, as far as we know; so every find can be counted as a DNF, and every DNF as a find. Pay no attention to the cat and the vial of cyanide in the box with you. Can I bring the cake into the box too? Quote Link to comment
+welch Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 We're losing sleep over this! Opinions, anyone? Because, after all, not only is it all about the numbers, it's also all about what everyone else thinks of your numbers. Its not about the number, throw a party whenever you like . Quote Link to comment
+The Cheeseheads Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hmm... I think I'm going to set up a sibling to my DeLorme Challenge cache. Pretty much the same thing, except you need to have a DNF on every page of the atlas. Complete that, and you're eligible to log a DNF for the final. Although technically, someone could load up a cache from each page in their GPSr, walk out to their car, then change their mind and head back inside and log a DNF on all the caches they didn't find. Maybe I won't do that after all... Quote Link to comment
+Marky Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 (edited) No DNF thread is complete without mentioning kablooey, whose DNF count is past the 1000 milestone. He is clearly the leader. --Marky Edited October 26, 2006 by Marky Quote Link to comment
+Recdiver Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Say I'm looking for a cache - I check under a rock. It's not there. I check behind the tree - not there. I check up in the tree - not there. Technically, I just DNF'ed in three spots. And what if you check under that same rock a second time? Is that four now, or still three? If you trip over the rock and subsequently turn it over does that count as a DNF since you weren’t actually looking for it under the rock? And does that count as a cache related injury? The last question was not made with the malicious intent to derail this thread. Quote Link to comment
+mertat Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I have an easy solution to the problem of what is a true DNF; we will simply put you and the cache in a box. As long as no one looks inside, you have both found and not found the cache, as far as we know; so every find can be counted as a DNF, and every DNF as a find. Pay no attention to the cat and the vial of cyanide in the box with you. Can I bring the cake into the box too? Only if you share it with the cat. Quote Link to comment
+Sioneva Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 And if the cat is alive... and can't find the cake. But then you both have to sign the cake, even if only one of you found it. Quote Link to comment
+mertat Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 And if the cat is alive... and can't find the cake. But then you both have to sign the cake, even if only one of you found it. But if you don't find the cake, do you get an extra DNF? Is it a pocket DNF? Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I'd say that you're a piker! I've reviewed my DNFs. I have 123! 39 of which were archived. 17 of which I have since found. 46 that I've subsequently found. 6 were multiple DNFs. I'm obstinant, but most of the rest were vacation DNFs. Oh, well. When you get to a nice round number like 123 DNFs, then you can start planning the celebration. I do have a solution for your lack of DNFs. Bring along some film canisters. The next time you DNF, drop the film canisters nearby, and DNF them as well! This message brought to you by the letters ampersand & ampersand. Quote Link to comment
+Sioneva Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 And if the cat is alive... and can't find the cake. But then you both have to sign the cake, even if only one of you found it. But if you don't find the cake, do you get an extra DNF? Is it a pocket DNF? A pocket DNF? I wouldn't want to eat cake that's been in someone's pocket! Quote Link to comment
+Okiebryan Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I want you to listen, and listen good. I did NOT find the cache with that woman, Miss Lewinski. This message sponsored by the spaces between the words. "Spaces. Keeping your words from running together since Gutenberg" Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) A DNF record: BS. Until and unless one thing happens any claim to a record is moot: DNF stats must be kept by GC.com. DNFs are about the only stat worth keeping, other than finds of course, but other types of logs haven't been mentioned yet: maintenance, notes & SBAs. Here's my take on stats, in order of importance: 1: finds. 2: DNFs. 3: owner maintenance. 4: SBAs. 5: needs maintenance. 6: notes. I'm going to protest any claim of a record for any unpublished stat in a non-violent way: holding my breath until my demands are met. This post brought to you by the colon: Edited October 27, 2006 by Corp Of Discovery Quote Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Here's my take on stats, in order of importance: 1: finds. 2: DNFs. 3: owner maintenance. 4: SBAs. 5: needs maintenance. 6: notes. Yes, but then there are reviewer stats. 7. reviewer notes 8. archive notes Of course, it is no huge secret that ~erik~ and I are really the only reviewers. I am a few archive notes behind ~erik~ right now. Would you mind if I archive a few of your caches so I can pass him? Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Here's my take on stats, in order of importance: 1: finds. 2: DNFs. 3: owner maintenance. 4: SBAs. 5: needs maintenance. 6: notes. Yes, but then there are reviewer stats. 7. reviewer notes 8. archive notes Of course, it is no huge secret that ~erik~ and I are really the only reviewers. I am a few archive notes behind ~erik~ right now. Would you mind if I archive a few of your caches so I can pass him? I thought you were Spatacus?!?!? Quote Link to comment
+Roland_oso Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) No DNF thread is complete without mentioning kablooey, whose DNF count is past the 1000 milestone. He is clearly the leader. --Marky Maybe? We have a cacher in my area with 1500 documented DNF's Geo Dee This post brought to you by the letters A thru Z Edited October 27, 2006 by Roland_oso Quote Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I thought you were Spatacus?!?!? You would be correct. http://www.imspartacus.net Give http://www.imspartacus.com a little time. I didn't notice until tonight that it was abandoned. You could say that "I Found It!". For a short while, those of you that look for it will have to log a DNF. Quote Link to comment
+The Jester Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I have an easy solution to the problem of what is a true DNF; we will simply put you and the cache in a box. As long as no one looks inside, you have both found and not found the cache, as far as we know; so every find can be counted as a DNF, and every DNF as a find. Pay no attention to the cat and the vial of cyanide in the box with you. Can I bring the cake into the box too? Food is not allowed in caches. But being this is a mathematical based cache, cake will be allowed - remember "pie are not squared, pie are round. Cake are squared." This message brought to you possibly, but not probably, by the square root of minus 1. Quote Link to comment
+Frumious Jane Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I have an easy solution to the problem of what is a true DNF; we will simply put you and the cache in a box. As long as no one looks inside, you have both found and not found the cache, as far as we know; so every find can be counted as a DNF, and every DNF as a find. Pay no attention to the cat and the vial of cyanide in the box with you. Sadly, all the cat/box/cyanide reference reminds me of is Stargate SG-1. I log most of my DNFs. Usually I'll log them if there's several logs to make at once/I am tired/I really searched hard/I'm on autopilot at the keyboard, but if i was pressed for time/embarrassed at myself for failing/didn't really try/was just hoping for a miracle, I tend to not count it at a true effort and so I don't log it. These are all second attempts by the way, at a cache I already DNF. This post brought to you by our sponsor, the /. Want more info, call 1.800.///.////, or go to our website, www./.com// Quote Link to comment
+Sioneva Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) I have an easy solution to the problem of what is a true DNF; we will simply put you and the cache in a box. As long as no one looks inside, you have both found and not found the cache, as far as we know; so every find can be counted as a DNF, and every DNF as a find. Pay no attention to the cat and the vial of cyanide in the box with you. Can I bring the cake into the box too? Food is not allowed in caches. But being this is a mathematical based cache, cake will be allowed - remember "pie are not squared, pie are round. Cake are squared." This message brought to you possibly, but not probably, by the square root of minus 1. If you bring a two or three layer cake, it can be cubed. Pi simply not allowed! I don't think it's legal to store cats in caches, either. Maybe. I have sudden, horrible images of a litter box cache. Edited October 27, 2006 by Sioneva Quote Link to comment
+the hermit crabs Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 I have an easy solution to the problem of what is a true DNF; we will simply put you and the cache in a box. As long as no one looks inside, you have both found and not found the cache, as far as we know; so every find can be counted as a DNF, and every DNF as a find. Pay no attention to the cat and the vial of cyanide in the box with you. Can I bring the cake into the box too? Food is not allowed in caches. But being this is a mathematical based cache, cake will be allowed - remember "pie are not squared, pie are round. Cake are squared." This message brought to you possibly, but not probably, by the square root of minus 1. If you bring a two or three layer cake, it can be cubed. Pi simply not allowed! I don't think it's legal to store cats in caches, either. Maybe. I have sudden, horrible images of a litter box cache. Luckily, the cache-content guidelines are not applicable here, since we are talking about putting me, the cake, some pie, the cat, the cyanide, and the cache in a box. The contraband items are all in the box near, but not in, the cache. Quote Link to comment
+nikcap Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I have 75 FTDNF's! I also have a DNF on one of my own events! Top that. Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I'm not sure I can, but this comes close-I've DNF'd caches that were archived months earlier because I had stale data. That's right-there was no way I could have found those two-they were no longer there. I finally resorted to the fonafriend who told me the status between fits of giggles. I proudly posted my DNF's anyway. Quote Link to comment
+cache_test_dummies Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I must ask something. Since it often takes more time to not find a cache than to find a cache, it stands to reason that those of you with impressive DNF numbers must have loads of time available to support your hobby of not finding caches. So, my question is, how is it that you have so much time available for not finding caches? Are you guys retired, or independently wealthy, or have you figured out a way to make money not finding caches, or what? Quote Link to comment
+cache_test_dummies Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I also have a DNF on one of my own events! Did you manage to actually log a DNF for an event? I tried to do this once (because I accidentally showed up on the wrong day for the event), but a DNF log type wasn't an option. I posted a note instead. Or were you kidding about the event DNF? Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) Every new cache you find is one that you Did Not Find before then, right? This ponderable courtesy of Freudian Slip Edited October 27, 2006 by TheAlabamaRambler Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I also have a DNF on one of my own events! Did you manage to actually log a DNF for an event? I tried to do this once (because I accidentally showed up on the wrong day for the event), but a DNF log type wasn't an option. I posted a note instead. Or were you kidding about the event DNF? Originally, events had the same log types as regular caches. Quote Link to comment
+parker313 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I don't think it's legal to store cats in caches, either. Maybe. I have sudden, horrible images of a litter box cache. If you can put a hamster in a cache, surely you can put a cat in a cache. Quote Link to comment
+Bjorn74 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Wow. It looks like I have a whole lot of catching up to do. 50 of my 119 posted DNFs have been archived. It's a real shame. I like where I am now. That doesn't happen much here. Anyway, I'll work on building up my ability to look the other way. I do think that the mail order training course I bought from that one site (www.LepsDNFTrainer.com) will help me out tremendously. I'm so glad they've made their online training log avalable for a low monthly fee. I signed up for the 18 month program but I can't seem to remember the address. Oh well. At least my Puppymonster "How To Request an Archive in 6 Painful Steps" course has worked. All 17 resulted in archived caches. I need to get back on that wagon, I think. (Brought to you by the Coalition of Fake Product Endorsements.) Quote Link to comment
+cache_test_dummies Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Originally, events had the same log types as regular caches. Thanks - I did not know this. Wonder why they changed it? Quote Link to comment
+Jhwk Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) Originally, events had the same log types as regular caches. Thanks - I did not know this. Wonder why they changed it? it was the fake DNF logging incident of 04. you didn't hear about that? Geowoodstock II Edited October 27, 2006 by Jhwk Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I don't think it's legal to store cats in caches, either. Maybe. I have sudden, horrible images of a litter box cache. If you can put a hamster in a cache, surely you can put a cat in a cache. We need a new guideline prohibiting putting cats and hamsters in caches at the same time. Found on the net: "Kittens have nine lives. This makes them ideal for experimentation." Quote Link to comment
+The Jester Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I don't think it's legal to store cats in caches, either. Maybe. I have sudden, horrible images of a litter box cache. If you can put a hamster in a cache, surely you can put a cat in a cache. Hey, you have to feed the cat somehow... Quote Link to comment
+parker313 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Well, if you *do* put a hamster and a cat in the cache at the same time...problem solved! Quote Link to comment
+Sioneva Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I don't think it's legal to store cats in caches, either. Maybe. I have sudden, horrible images of a litter box cache. If you can put a hamster in a cache, surely you can put a cat in a cache. Hey, you have to feed the cat somehow... Isn't that what the cake and pie are for? Quote Link to comment
+the hermit crabs Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 I don't think it's legal to store cats in caches, either. Maybe. I have sudden, horrible images of a litter box cache. If you can put a hamster in a cache, surely you can put a cat in a cache. Hey, you have to feed the cat somehow... Isn't that what the cake and pie are for? I'm pretty sure they're for me. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I love a thread that makes you think. The trick is what are you celebrating? 100 DNF LOGS or 100 Caches that you Did Not Find? It makes a difference. If I were counting my DNF's I'd only count DNF's on caches that I never, ever found. A smilie after a DNF or multiple DNFs on the same cache that I eventually did find would be like double dipping. If a cache only counts once, it's either a Found or a DNF it cant be both without blowing a hole in the time space continuem. So that's my answer, it's the caches you never, ever found. Somewhere around this forums is a thread on how hard you have to work for a DNF to be a DNF and not just a "gee I thought about caching today but didn't so that's 500 DNFs cause that's what my pocket query was" Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Well ThanK Goodness, sOMebody finally getting thiS bAcK on TOpIC! The trick is what are you celebrating? 100 DNF LOGS or 100 Caches that you Did Not Find? It makes a difference. iT'S a gooD THINg RK is aroUNd to reGrouND this iN thE OriGINAl queStion. THougH I dIsAgREE wiTH hIS ConClusiON. thE MIleSTonE iS 100 Dnf lOGS. HoWEver MAnY caCHEs thaT maY BE. thIs PosT broUghT 2 U by RaNDom cApiTalIZatIon Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I miss Cache Ninja's posts. Quote Link to comment
+Tharagleb Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I didn't read the whole thread yet, but has anybody mentioned drive-by-DNFs, these really tick me off. People who don't even get out of the car and they have the nerve to log a DNF! Do DNFs on archived caches count? What about DNFs when you later found out the cache was not there? To me a DNF must only apply to a cache that actually exists. (I've *had* it with cheaters) Quote Link to comment
+Sioneva Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I didn't read the whole thread yet, but has anybody mentioned drive-by-DNFs, these really tick me off. People who don't even get out of the car and they have the nerve to log a DNF! Do DNFs on archived caches count? What about DNFs when you later found out the cache was not there? To me a DNF must only apply to a cache that actually exists. (I've *had* it with cheaters) Well, what if it is a park-n-grab? If they do everything up to and including parking, the only way to avoid getting a find is to stay in the car! With their eyes closed, of course. Count to twenty, claim a DNF, and drive away. A purist would say that you can't park within ten feet of a cache, because then you would be able to see it as you pulled up, but I disagree. Ten feet is acceptable, as long as you are not actively eyeing the possible hiding spots. Five feet is pushing it, though. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Well, what if it is a park-n-grab? If they do everything up to and including parking, the only way to avoid getting a find is to stay in the car! ... Clearly, you have never cached with me. Quote Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Well ThanK Goodness, sOMebody finally getting thiS bAcK on TOpIC! The trick is what are you celebrating? 100 DNF LOGS or 100 Caches that you Did Not Find? It makes a difference. iT'S a gooD THINg RK is aroUNd to reGrouND this iN thE OriGINAl queStion. THougH I dIsAgREE wiTH hIS ConClusiON. thE MIleSTonE iS 100 Dnf lOGS. HoWEver MAnY caCHEs thaT maY BE. thIs PosT broUghT 2 U by RaNDom cApiTalIZatIon Since logs multiple apply to finds milestones, think I would that apply to DNF's to would. Tired I am, so dislexia is this post brought to you by (or my cajun accent maybe ). Quote Link to comment
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