South Carolina Legislation Meeting

[RandLD]

There is an ammendment being offered that would change the law to basically ban "recreational activities" in cemeteries and archaeological sites. Removing "Historical Sites" and the word "Geocaching", unless you received written permission of the owner.

 

It would ban everything from Frisbee to Geocaching.

[tossedsalad]

Now that they are discussing the Geocaching bill, my video keeps pausing and is making it hard to follow the discussion.

 

Are the servers being taxed?

[+Mad Cat]

all right Ms. hinson

[magellan315]

I changed my mind amendment is worse. Bans all recreational activities in a cemetary, unless you have written permission. Bird watching, dog walking, jogging, ect.

[+pghlooking]

doesnt explain it, more vague than before.

 

as far as how to get written permission: he suggests to go to the local tax office. lady brought up that cemetaries arent taxed.

 

so how many tourists are going to take the time from vacation to research who owns a cemetary they come across, then try to locate the owner, all to walk through or walk their dog.

[+Eswau]

Would the addition of far fetched admendments make this bill less likely to make it through the senate or would they be allowed to alter the bill there?

[+Deliveryguy428]

I'm lost, can anyone bring me up to speed, just got the video back up

[+carleenp]

Would the addition of far fetched admendments make this bill less likely to make it through the senate or would they be allowed to alter the bill there?

The Senate could amend the bill. They amend and then send it back to the House.

[ju66l3r]

The Senate is allowed to make its own amendments to the passed bill.

 

The resulting discrepancies are hammered out in a cross-committee before being sent to Governor.

 

IIRC about SC state decisions.

[+Eswau]

Would the addition of far fetched admendments make this bill less likely to make it through the senate or would they be allowed to alter the bill there?

The Senate could amend the bill. They amend and then send it back to the House.

Then would the whole process start over?

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

Amendment 4 will fail on 2 issues - no way to identify much of the land-ownership, and no way to define "archeological site".

 

If the limit this to burial sites I think it will fly

[magellan315]

Geoholic, and amendment has been proposed banning any recreational activity on cemetaries and archeological sites

[cexshun]

Looks like the guy is going to remove archeological sites and focus stricktly on cemeteries.

[+Deliveryguy428]

wow...ok...

[cexshun]

He has to wait until questions are done before removing arch sites from the amendment, but he has already expressed his willingness to do so.

 

Moving for it now.

[+StarBrand]

Boy the bill is now about banning recreational activites in cemetraies - way vague there...

[+Tyrithe]

So amendment 4 is limited to burial sites only.

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

Amendment 4 passed limiting all games in cemetaries to owners permission - harmless enough.

[+carleenp]

Would the addition of far fetched admendments make this bill less likely to make it through the senate or would they be allowed to alter the bill there?

The Senate could amend the bill. They amend and then send it back to the House.

Then would the whole process start over?

No, it would not go back through House committee, but the passed Senate amendment would go directly to the House.

 

Here is a useful booklet about the SC legislative process that covers how the whole process works.

[cexshun]

Guy proposing another amendment to ban historical site also.

[+Divine]

Finland is watching too!

[Keystone]

The Geocacher U. introductory brochure was just waved in the air and referenced during debate. (Specifically, the "Do's and Don'ts" section.... DO get permission.) This is a fine way to explain geocaching to someone. CYBret, you're famous!

[+pghlooking]

amendmant #5 is back at geocaching. somewhere it must say histoic public markers! Just came out of Scarborough's mouth. now where that come from?

[+Tyrithe]

Sounds like (un)intentional crossing of permission to place or seek.

[cexshun]

Man, it really sounds like our friends in the house either listen to us really well, or read this post very carefully. They are bringing up all of our concerns.

[+carleenp]

My co-worker's wife, who works for the Nebraska State Historical Society just informed me that a ban of anything on an archeological site could be problematic because in Nebraska and many other states the locations are not disclosed to the public under state law. She said it would likely be the same in SC, although she obviously does not know for sure.

[magellan315]

Kind of feel bad for this guy, he's thinking this is going to be a cakewalk and its not.

[cexshun]

Voting to table the amendment now...

[+pghlooking]

for those without the feed

motion to table the amendmant.

 

41 yes 36 no

[+Deliveryguy428]

Did it get tabled, my feed foze?

[Quix]

Just received this from my Rep.:

 

** High Priority **

 

The following ammendment has been added to the geo caching bill:

 

"Section 16-17-605. (A) It is unlawful for a person to engage

in any gaming, sporting, or other recreational activity in a cemetery,

burial grounds, or archeological site without the express written

consent of the owner or the state agency which oversees these properties

or sites.

( A person who violates the provisions of this section is

guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more

than one hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

© Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (, the

judge, in his discretion, may order a person convicted of a violation of

this section to perform up to one hundred hours of community service.

(D) The provisions of this section do not preclude a person

from being charged with a violation of Section 16-17-600 in addition to

a violation of this section."

 

SECTION 2. The repeal or amendment by this act of any law,

whether temporary or permanent or civil or criminal, does not affect

pending actions, rights, duties, or liabilities founded thereon, or

alter, discharge, release or extinguish any penalty, forfeiture, or

liability incurred under the repealed or amended law, unless the

repealed or amended provision shall so expressly provide. After the

effective date of this act, all laws repealed or amended by this act

must be taken and treated as remaining in full force and effect for the

purpose of sustaining any pending or vested right, civil action, special

proceeding, criminal prosecution, or appeal existing as of the effective

date of this act, and for the enforcement of rights, duties, penalties,

forfeitures, and liabilities as they stood under the repealed or amended

laws.

 

SECTION 3. This act takes effect upon approval by the

Governor./

 

In a nutshell, this is a comprimise stating that you can continue to do

this hobby but will have to get written permission to go on private

cemetary lots and burial grounds.

 

Originally, this included archaelogical sites and they are now in the

process of debating taking those off. Would you be ok with this

comprimise because this may be the best we get?

 

Please let me know asap as we are debating the bill now.

 

Thanks,

Nikki

[CoyoteRed]

I guess she didn't check on mine!

[ju66l3r]

What a lying bastard.

[+teamkimble]

Wow...where does she get this stuff???

[+pghlooking]

who is climbing over the fence at the first presb church 1 block from the courthouse? who is targeting the african american cemetaries? does she really think the race card is what she needs? she visited over 50 cheurch and cemetaries and not one had given permission?

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

ut oh - she says she sent people to 50 cemetaries with caches, all placed with no permission, one where geocachers had to cilmb a fence - if this is true geocachers AND approvers have a lot to answer for!

[+Deliveryguy428]

Here is the Jewish issue...

[Keystone]

The floor is now held by Ms. Ceips and she's reading a letter from the synagogue where the night-only cache was located. She is speaking in favor of an amendment that would target geocaching only, rather than recreational activities in general.

[+pghlooking]

wheres the cache at for the jewish cemetary that is only to be done at night?

[CoyoteRed]

Video cut out in the middle of the Jewish Cemetery lie.

[+Deliveryguy428]

Can anyone pinpoint the cache page she is referring to?

[ju66l3r]

She didn't say 50 churches had caches, only that 50 churches wouldn't give permission if asked. EDIT: now she's being more specific about them "having caches"...but still not clear on it

 

Then she moved to the 1st presbyterian...then she movedto the jewish issue...then a mass grave veteran issue...

Edited May 11, 2005 by ju66l3r

[Keystone]

ut oh - she says she sent people to 50 cemetaries with caches, all placed with no permission, one where geocachers had to cilmb a fence - if this is true geocachers AND approvers have a lot to answer for!

A geocaching.com volunteer has absolutely no control over whether a geocacher hunts for a cache during the day or at night. Cachers are expected to obey any applicable laws. Reviewers also assume that "adequate permission" has been obtained by the cache owner, pursuant to the listing guidelines. We only specifically verify permission against published policies known to us. If, for example, a law is passed in South Carolina prohibiting caches in cemeteries without written permission, then the reviewer would ask the cache owner to confirm that written permission had been obtained.

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

They have a "Black Chamber of Commerce"??? How progressive!

[Jeremy]

Ceips indicated there was no existing law to stop geocachers from jumping fences to get into cemetaries. I think that is what tresspassing laws are for.

 

She's playing a lot of cards. Does this kind of thing work?

[RandLD]

Sounds like her amendment just got tabled. Is that correct?

[+pghlooking]

the wheels are turning and deals are being made. Scarbourough just whispered to her to table this amendmant and got to the next one. Apparently he has been doing some deal making for her while she has struggled with this one.

[cexshun]

Ceips amendment tabled. 1 more amendment to go.

[+Lil Devil]

What does it mean to "table the amendment"?

[+varaceman]

When they "Table" and ammendment. Just what excactly does that mean. in my expreince that means its Dead?