+TheAlabamaRambler Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 How many millions an millons are made off these gambling ships? Do you really think legislation to limit them is gonna fly? Whata total waste of time! Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 lunch then our bill? anyone else think different? Link to comment
+Prairie Dog Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 They keep bringing up extra ammendments to be debated. They're on ammendment #3 for the casino boat bill. No telling when lunch will be. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) off topic, if anyone is near a TV can someone see what is going on in DC...breaking news is that US fighters are over the White House and the whole area is being evacuated (i know this is way off topic...sorry) --ok NM it is over...there was a small plane about 3 miles out from the capitol-- Edited May 11, 2005 by geoholic28 Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 cnn.com says, "Security alert prompts evacuation of U.S. Capitol and White House. Details soon." Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 small single engine plane flying into restricted airspace at white house. the president was not there. 2 fighters fired waring flares to change course of plane. all clear has been given. Link to comment
Keystone Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Please keep this thread on-topic to the geocaching related legislation in South Carolina. Status reports on the proceedings are fine... it's OK to mention they're discussing the gambling bill, or the state budget being discussed now. But if you want to discuss the merits of gambling legislation, or breaking news stories, please take that to the off-topic forum. Thanks. Link to comment
+Prairie Dog Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Budget conference report? Oh, goody. Link to comment
RandLD Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 When is H.377 up for review? They're discussing the budget now (which preempts debate on any bills.) They may break for lunch next. Not sure about that. Either way, "our" bill (H.3777) is next on the list. Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 ... Anyone in a graveyard that is there doing something that disrupts the graves at the worst be arrested and at best they can be told to move on. ... You really need to think about this blanket statement. Digging holes all over to fix sprinkler heads is not respectful nor is it disrespectful. It just is and it's a part of daily life. Last year annoyed that after a week or so after memorial day our flowers would be removed we brought shovels and planted flowers by the graves of our family. This year we will find out if they were removed, or of the grounds crew did or didn't mow them. If they mowed them that's disrespectful. Shovels in a graveyard. I'm not ashamed. Nor am I ashamed that my kids rann all over in the open space and enjoyed reading all the names and wondering if they were related. No I don't care if they stopped at your relatives name and wondered even if you do. Tough. Graveyards are a traditional cultural place for all of us. Not just the few family members who bother to remember. As for as a call of nature. People cope with this all the time. I doubt a single person contemplating this bill hasn't been caught with no handy bathroom and no time to find one. What do people do? They find a handy tree or bush and be as discreet as possible. Then when you survive the experience you laugh it off, but you also hope there is no next time, but you know there will be. In the wilderness this is expected. In town lets hope there is a public restroom. There isn't always one that is public. In remote areas with no nearby bathroom it's not a shocker to think that people may not find one in time, nor do they have a desire to wet their pants. You do your best and that's good enough. If someone were to desecrate a grave then arrest them and sentance them to 2000 hours of community service painting over grafitti and picking up after others who like them, did not choose the path of discression. There is no need to pass a new law that adds yet another way to say "don't do that " to the laws that already say that. I find it completely stupid to say "You are guilty of vandalizm, desecration, grave robbing, harming an archaeologial site because oh and while we are at it we are going to arrest you and your 3 year old daughter for the sinful activity of "Geocaching" *Gasp*. By law 3 year olds who are not vandals etc. (it takes some experneice in the world to become a moron) will now be guilty of breaking this law. Punish the guilty with the tools you have. Not the innocent. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 oops I just got my wrist slapped... so right now we are on a budge report then they will either break for lunch or bring up HB 3777...as of now we are not sure which. Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 out till 2:00 when we should be first up right? Link to comment
+Prairie Dog Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 They broke for lunch. Come back at 2 PM Eastern. Link to comment
RandLD Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) My understanding is, they'll finish up the budget stuff first and then get to us after that (whenever that may be.) Edited May 11, 2005 by RandLD Link to comment
twjolson & Kay Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 But H3777 does in fact single out such individuals and it does so whether they're using the GPS to search for a film can hidden in a bush; to locate the grave of a soldier in the Revolutionary War to get his birthdate for use in finding a multi-cache or logging a virtual; or if they're looking for the gravesite of an ancestor to pay their respects after finding the lat/long coordinates on a geneology website. All of these actions would become illegal and punishable under the provisions of H3777. To clarify my side of things a little, I am not for outlawing using GPS in a graveyard, there are legit uses of it that don't involve caching. If I could pass my own bill, it would make hiding (and hopefully that would stop people from seeking, kill it at the source) illegal. I agree that the present bill goes way to far to the point of stupidity, but the basic idea (stop caching in graveyards, etc) isn't all that bad either. They just need to write a bill that isn't so extreme. You really need to think about this blanket statement. Digging holes all over to fix sprinkler heads is not respectful nor is it disrespectful. It just is and it's a part of daily life. I apologize if I did not speak clearer. There is a differance between "maintenance" and playing a game. Disrupting graves for a game is not worth it, keeping the sprinklers working is. Same with the kids looking at the differant stones. I've stopped at others graves and wondered who they are, what they did, etc. Again, there is a differance between doing that and playing a game. Link to comment
+briansnat Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) To clarify my side of things a little, I am not for outlawing using GPS in a graveyard, there are legit uses of it that don't involve caching. If I could pass my own bill, it would make hiding (and hopefully that would stop people from seeking, kill it at the source) illegal Why? Would you criminalize all the other common uses of cemeteries (as mentioned in my post on the previous page), or would you single out geocaching? Edited May 11, 2005 by briansnat Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 To clarify my side of things a little, I am not for outlawing using GPS in a graveyard, there are legit uses of it that don't involve caching. If I could pass my own bill...<snip> The point is you are not passing your own bill. Ceips is doing that for you whether you like it or not. There are good use for a GPS in the area and one of them is geocaching. Once again for you, this bill WILL outlaw GPS use in a graveyard. Link to comment
RandLD Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I assume someone is capturing the feed and will post a link later of just the 3777 portion like was done last time???? I found that very helpful last time. Just remembered, I have somewhere to be at 2:00. Doggone it. If someone could record this and post it somewhere, I'd appreciate it. Or maybe I can figure out what happened from reading all of the posts here when I come back. (Of course, if they're finishing the budget stuff first thing, I may be done before they get too involved in H.3777 ...) Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I think its going to be a while before they finish the budget. Link to comment
+LeBuckZoo Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (twjolson @ May 11 2005, 12:34 PM) Disrupting graves for a game is not worth it There's nothing in our sport that allows disrupting graves. Period. I sincerely doubt that any cache that required you to "disrupt a grave" would ever get approved. The caches that I've visited in graveyards were very respectful and really worth the visit. Often they were to help memorialize the work of some important individual. Thus, your basic concept there is false. We're not disrupting graves, unless you count walking around them and talking about them disrupting. And if that's the case, then you need to review the idea of picnics, small (bored) children playing "tag" etc. in cemeteries. In fact, the cachers at remote graveyards are more likely to be respectful and report improper behavior than most other visitors. Link to comment
+Tyrithe Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Actually, I think it's going to be a while before they start the budget. People don't seem too eager to return to debating things. Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 The budget takes priority and all debates stops. I think thay are just trying to rap up whatever they have to do during lunch, messages, e-mails, ect. Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Just asked Ceips if she was ready to go. Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Starting to feel like prom night. I know what I want to happen, but have no idea how it's going to unfold. My stomach is gittery, and the whole outcome depends on the whims of this woman. Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Starting to feel like prom night. I know what I want to happen, but have no idea how it's going to unfold. My stomach is gittery, and the whole outcome depends on the whims of this woman. You took her to the prom?? Link to comment
+halley-peabody Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 To clarify my side of things a little, I am not for outlawing using GPS in a graveyard, there are legit uses of it that don't involve caching. If I could pass my own bill, it would make hiding (and hopefully that would stop people from seeking, kill it at the source) illegal. I agree that the present bill goes way to far to the point of stupidity, but the basic idea (stop caching in graveyards, etc) isn't all that bad either. They just need to write a bill that isn't so extreme. Since you feel so strongly about this subject then perhaps you should be talking to the Geocaching and Groundspeak powers that be, petitioning for a rules change to make cemetery caches against our rules. You could start a new thread and ask for people's support. See how many feel the way you do. Link to comment
+Mad Cat Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I see her there ready to tell lies Link to comment
+HalnJen Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 The suspence is killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment
+tands Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I see her there ready to tell lies I find that completely uncalled for. Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 i understand we are off the calendar at this point, but is there someweher that has this amended list of topics that has been thrown in there? Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Ahhhh, this is like watching paint dry. Link to comment
Fakk 2 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Its nice how they can put everyone into a group and say this group needs to be banned. Now tell me this. Will banning Caches in cemeteries stop this kind of behavior? Simple answer NO. I as a kid was in cemeteries with my friends, we ues to drink and smoke at night 2-3 am in the morning. The only difference is that We didnt log or take pictures (and release them publicly). The actions were still done though. So should government step in and prohibit anyone from entering? No. It is up to us to be responsible for our behavior and to act accordingly. Since I matured from my younger years I look back and think how stupid and inconsiderate I was of those resting places. I now visit cemeteries with a respect and solomn attitude. But to classify this as being a geocaching thing is wrong, and a bad way to fix a problem that isnt just geocaching. Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 so recereational activities are banned in cemetaries...so no picnicing? Link to comment
+Tyrithe Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 This amendment sounds like going from bad to worse... Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 lets see - he said the bill was too broadly worded so he proposes removing the word geocaching and replacing it with recreational activity????? Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Dang, you can tell everyone tuned in at once. I've completely lost the stream. Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Amendment 4 would ban all games in cemetaries and archeological BURIAL grounds, not all arch. sites without permission - he can get that passed I think. Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Amendment is not as bad as thought, only applies to cemetaries and archelogical sites. But does not include historical sites Link to comment
+carleenp Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Could people watching provide more details with their comments? Thanks! Link to comment
+PlasteredDragon Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 lets see - he said the bill was too broadly worded so he proposes removing the word geocaching and replacing it with recreational activity????? Well, that *really* is their concern isn't it? I mean obviously if they are against geocaching in cemeteries, which is pretty tame as activities go, and there are far worse things that people do there, it is only appropriate for them to be against those activities too. So no frisbee, no picnics, no casual walking or dog walking, basically no visiting a cemetery unless you have "business" there. With the historical sites, I don't see how that is going to work. Tourism *is* a recreational activity. Link to comment
+Mad Cat Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 how can you efforce this law ??? Link to comment
Keystone Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 The "frisbee rule" has been invoked! Often cited as a test on whether permission is needed ("do you need to ask permission to play frisbee in that park?"), it's just been mentioned in debate as something that can't be done in a South Carolina cemetery. Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 but then when asked to define arceological sites and explains, the DA will have to say what they are. So you can break the law and now know it since the DA hasn't charged you yet. Link to comment
+teamkimble Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 So is he saying that if someone wants to go jogging through a cemetery, that would be included as illegal? All recreation? Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 He concedes that this bill would prevent you from playing with your dog in the stated areas. Link to comment
+Gary and Mary Adventurers Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 So kids playing ball in a neighborhood cemetery would be arrested. As a kid I would have been in jail many times Link to comment
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