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Jeremy, I love the new bookmark page, but one thing that I had noticed is that when I save several caches in my bookmark it will only allow me to download them as *.loc files? Why as a premium member couldn't we be allowed to download them as a *.gpx file as when doing a pocket query? B)

Please read the FAQ in the first post. We will be providing GPX files through Pocket Queries in the near future.

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I like the look and feel of the new design. One suggestion for the ignore list - would it be possible to check a large number of caches to ignore at one time. Something similiar to the waypoint checkbox that appears on the search page.

The short answer is yes. We'll be providing a feature to bulk add a bunch of waypoints to a list that is similar to what you described B)

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If you are using CacheMate, why do you even care about the reader format? Everything you need for CacheMate is in the .gpx. Am I missing some use of an ereader format that I'm not aware of?

 

--Marky

I use CacheMate almost exclusively for eCaching - coupled with Boulter's "Express Logger", it really completes the circle and adds another level of "automation", if you will. Sadly, the new "anti-frames" protection against CSS and phishing attacks, has made that tool a little more clunky - but it still works.

 

The only reason I bother with any other format is for those caches that require you to see the images in the cache page: E.G. "SOMA Little Pictures", "Columba", etc.

 

So, every once in awhile, I'll take a collection of GPX data (via GSAK) and export a dataset as HTML, and then use Plucker to convert it into a Palm-friendly format. I rarely have revert to it, and if there's just a single cache on a planned outing that I need the images for, I'll actually print a single page - because the Plucker process takes HOURS to convert/import 1000 caches.

 

That's the only reason I ever stray from CacheMate, and I refer to it < 1% of the time.

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Would be a good idea to add something into the "Ignore List" so that you can see the status of a cache in that list? (AKA Archived/Disabled/Active)?

I was going to ask this question about bookmarks, but I see it's already asked. So, currently, there's no way to have a dynamic link between the listed cache in your bookmark to be able to look up the status of the cache and determine if it's disabled (with a single blue line through it) or archived (red text with a single red line through it) as it shows up on the search results page.

 

Is that right?

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I like the look and feel of the new design.  One suggestion for the ignore list - would it be possible to check a large number of caches to ignore at one time.  Something similiar to the waypoint checkbox that appears on the search page.

The short answer is yes. We'll be providing a feature to bulk add a bunch of waypoints to a list that is similar to what you described B)

Happy Sigh! B)

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So, currently, there's no way to have a dynamic link between the listed cache in your bookmark to be able to look up the status of the cache and determine if it's disabled (with a single blue line through it) or archived (red text with a single red line through it) as it shows up on the search results page.

 

Is that right?

Yes. There is no (current) way to do this. It is, however, planned.

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O.k. please pity the handicapped <read: apparently blind> here :( , but...

 

How is it that I find folks' shared lists? Likewise, I've designated one of mine (gg favorites) as shared - so how do others find it/see it?

 

I've seen others' individual shared lists, replete with the a "rate it" - but only when they specifically post a link to it here in the forums somewhere. Is there a way to access all shared lists somehow and/or at least by going to an individual's profile and finding a link to any shared lists they might have?

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From the first post in this thread:

 

How do I find Shared Lists?

 

Unless you have a URL you cannot see a shared list (yet). However, we will be adding functionality to show shared lists on a cache listing so you know someone bookmarked it for whatever reason. Also we will add a tab on the profile page so you can see a user's shared list.

 

We had to stop implementation somewhere. so these features haven't been added (yet).

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Hemlock's answer was helpful, but he finished prematurely. Forum posts are not the only thing that he finishes prematurely.

 

As an interim workaround, consider adding hyperlinks on your profile page, and/or your forum signature line, to your shared bookmark lists.

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Hemlock's answer was helpful, but he finished prematurely. Forum posts are not the only thing that he finishes prematurely.

What Bothers me is that you know this. :)

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As an interim workaround, consider adding hyperlinks on your profile page, and/or your forum signature line, to your shared bookmark lists.

Thanks KA - ever quick and ever so helpful.

 

Yup, I've long had a link on my profile page to a full table (on my own server) of my favorites and milestones, but - thanks to your suggestion, I just tried adding a bit of html to my forum sig and... we shall now see if it works.

 

RATS! it apparently didn't. Could it be that the databases simply haven't caught up each other yet???

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RATS! it apparently didn't. Could it be that the databases simply haven't caught up each other yet???

Click "discuss geocaching" on the geocaching.com web site while you are logged in there. That is where it updates the forums.

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Click "discuss geocaching" on the geocaching.com web site while you are logged in there. That is where it updates the forums.

Thanks J. I do (dimly) recall that there was some quirky thing you had to do in order to view updates in the forums but g-knows I have trouble keeping such obscure bits handy in my brain.

 

Yes, o.k. I can see it's now updated but - I linked the "GG's favorites" with an <a href... so howcum it's not showing up as a link here?

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Try UBB code instead of HTML.

Tried that and... to my (freely admitted limited UBB code) knowledge, the UBB url tag doesn't allow for a nifty text blurb for the link. IOW, yes, it links using UBB, but only with the loooooooong acky gc.com url address as the link. Suffice that if that's the only way to get a link in a forum sig, then I shall pass.

 

But I'm still wondering why/if one can't use a simple a href tag - the forum sig seems to take a break tag, so why not a simple html link tag?

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I put on my "todo" list to add the helpful buttons like we use in the forums, so people can figure out the whole UBB thing.

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[url=http://www.gpxspinner.com/]GPX Spinner[/url]

Thanks LD - that did it. And I've now bookmarked a site that has the basic UBB tags for future reference.

 

And yes J. it's a bit confounding to have different ways (html vs. ubb) to code things, between geocaching.com and here in the forums. The more you can standardize it, the less confusion.

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Using UBB is a function of the software that runs the forums, which was not designed by Geocaching.com. That's also why there's a separate database of logins that requires you to click on the "Discuss Geocaching" link to pass changes to your profile through to the forums. For a forum signature to have a link and work here, it requires UBB.

 

Logs also use UBB (why I'm not sure, but that's Jeremy's decision, and not pertinent to the topic at hand).

 

Everything else that I've seen on the site when you're coding for formatting (cache pages, travel bug pages, profiles) uses HTML.

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Logs also use UBB (why I'm not sure, but that's Jeremy's decision, and not pertinent to the topic at hand).

Interesting. Would there be another way to do this?

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Those who use Firefox or Mozilla might want to look into the BBCode Extension. Makes working with UBB Code (and the corresponding HTML codes, too) much easier.

Edited by Prime Suspect

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Logs also use UBB (why I'm not sure, but that's Jeremy's decision, and not pertinent to the topic at hand).

Interesting. Would there be another way to do this?

When I started, logs used to use HTML.

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I'm a little slow picking up this new functionality but have to say I love the ignore function. I can now get the cache that's been missing for 8 months and the cache on no public access property off my nearest 20 list. Very cool! Thanks guys.

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Logs also use UBB (why I'm not sure, but that's Jeremy's decision, and not pertinent to the topic at hand).

Interesting. Would there be another way to do this?

When I started, logs used to use HTML.

I don't remember logs ever allowing, say, images. I'll have to go way back but I think it was always some form of UBB code.

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I'm a little slow picking up this new functionality but have to say I love the ignore function. I can now get the cache that's been missing for 8 months and the cache on no public access property off my nearest 20 list. Very cool! Thanks guys.

Can you please do a "should be archived" note for the missing one? Or at the bare minimum list the GC code here so we can.

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Logs also use UBB (why I'm not sure, but that's Jeremy's decision, and not pertinent to the topic at hand).

Interesting. Would there be another way to do this?

When I started, logs used to use HTML.

I don't remember logs ever allowing, say, images. I'll have to go way back but I think it was always some form of UBB code.

Correct; logs never allowed images within the log entry, using the <img> tag. But other html tags were allowed. I remember linking together 20 logs from a marathon weekend of caching (I cleaned out 9 counties back in the days when there were 2 or 3 caches per county). When html was restricted in September 2002, I had to edit all my logs to remove the broken links. EDIT: Here is the post where I whined about it.

 

Frankly, I find ubb easier than html when writing logs, but perhaps that's just because I'm a forum junkie. It would be nice if there were a handy dandy reference page that summarized all the acceptable codes. Quoting from a September 15, 2002 post in the thread just linked to:

I do have basic UBB code that can be used in logs however. I'll try to quickly publish this document soon.

"Soon" is a relative term. ;)

To be on topic, the same is true for bookmarks. I've used boldface and smilies and hyperlinks successfully, but I don't know what all else will work in my bookmark lists.

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Can you please do a "should be archived" note for the missing one? Or at the bare minimum list the GC code here so we can.

Thanks Jeremy but it's already temporarily disabled and an approver is aware of it. Cache owner plans to replace it, it's a long story I'm just glad it's not on my nearest list any more. :rolleyes:

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I was just thinking about ratings for shared bookmark lists. There is something puzzling about the concept. The situation is when a viewer rates the list and then the owner of the list modifies it. Unless ratings are removed when the list is modified, they no longer apply to the current list. Removing the ratings would be a bummer if the change is minor, so it's hard to think about what the rating really means.

 

Nudecacher

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Oh, and how about bookmarking user profiles. This could have lots of uses for forming groups, such as WSGA chapter member lists and such. I was thinking about what a geocaching association chapter might use for communication. If they were to create a userid for the chapter, then they could organize information in the user profile and use its bookmarks to organize things. This could expand the groups visibility beyond just the event cache for their meetings.

 

Nudecacher

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I posted my take on using shared bookmark lists on the NW forum, but it was suggested I copy it here as well. This was in response to a thread where people gave links to their bookmark lists.

 

http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=92037

 

As nice as it is to look through these lists, I am not finding them particularly useful when it comes to sharing them. I think they work wonderfully as a "to-do" list, but when I am looking over everyone's list, these are the problems I have with them:

 

1. No mention of where these caches are. I'd like to see something similar to how normal cache listings say "x.xx miles from your home coordinates".

 

2. I don't know if these are caches I've done or not. I'd like to see something similar to how normal cache listings shade caches that I have already been to.

 

3. I don't know ratings on these caches, so if I wanted to do some, I'd have to open each in order to see the difficulty and terrain. I'd like to see it listed in the list view.

 

Basically, I'd like to see more information in the list, similar to normal search results. Then I'd actually find looking at shared lists useful.

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Will this bookmark feature be used to "rate" caches in the future? As in running a pocket query listing only caches that have been bookmarked at least X amount of times. This should (hopefully) give you something close to a "can't miss" list of caches for the area, as most people will spend their efforts bookmarking good caches. As with any query, you could then sort the results by distance, found/not found, difficulty, etc.

Or add to each state's page 'Most bookmarked caches'?

 

Just exploring some possibilities...

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Will this bookmark feature be used to "rate" caches in the future? As in running a pocket query listing only caches that have been bookmarked at least X amount of times. This should (hopefully) give you something close to a "can't miss" list of caches for the area, as most people will spend their efforts bookmarking good caches. As with any query, you could then sort the results by distance, found/not found, difficulty, etc.

Or add to each state's page 'Most bookmarked caches'?

 

I don't know if I agree with that. My bookmark list contains a To-do list of aches to do that are family friendly and a list of DNF's of mine that are still active (so I can see which ones I need to try again). I personally don't plan to make a "top XXX" list.

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Here are two ideas, in addition to what you already noted (for the user's profile, a tab for their shared lists, and for the cache page linking to the lists mentioning that cache):

 

Can list titles be searchable? Wouldn't it be cool to search for lists that contained the word "puzzle" if you liked puzzle caches and wanted to see all the lists that collected great puzzle caches?

 

Can there be a list of shared bookmark lists?

I scanned the rest of this thread and didn't find any response to the questions that I quoted.

 

I know that future implementation of a tab of shared lists is in the works, but a search tool would be nice too.

 

For example, if I want to know what user XYZ's shared lists are, then the tab is useful...but if I wanted to know what San Diego caches I should make a priority on my business trip there next week, I have no good way to accomplish that by shared list tabs except to click through every San Diego based cacher's profile.

 

As for the second question above concerning a shared list list...I'll wander over to the General forum and see if I can work something up.

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… but if I wanted to know what San Diego caches I should make a priority on my business trip there next week, I have no good way to accomplish that by shared list tabs except to click through every San Diego based cacher's profile. …

graet idea!! a bookmark list ist paired to a user. a user has his homecoords. that way bookmarks could get it’s coords and could be searchable by »hide and seek«. i would like it much more to have a »nearest bookmarks« showing on the cachesite close to »search nearest caches«.

happy hunting.

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Sorry for missing it but what is the name I should use for the 'ignore' list?

 

I've tried:

 

Ignore

Ignore List

 

and both allow me to share them, so I haven't found it yet.

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Sorry for missing it but what is the name I should use for the 'ignore' list?

 

I've tried:

 

Ignore

Ignore List

 

and both allow me to share them, so I haven't found it yet.

It's a special list. You can't create it just by naming a bookmark list.

 

Go to a cache you want to ignore, and click the Ignore Listing button. The Ignore bookmark list will be created for you.

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Sorry for missing it but what is the name I should use for the 'ignore' list?

 

I've tried: 

   

Ignore

Ignore List

 

and both allow me to share them, so I haven't found it yet.

It's a special list. You can't create it just by naming a bookmark list.

 

Go to a cache you want to ignore, and click the Ignore Listing button. The Ignore bookmark list will be created for you.

If a person creates a list called "Ignore" and then tags a cache to be added to thier ignore list,, will they have 2 lists called "Ignore"?

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If a person creates a list called "Ignore" and then tags a cache to be added to thier ignore list,, will they have 2 lists called "Ignore"?

Yes, but only one of them, the automatically-created one, will actually be used to exclude caches from searches and PQs.

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If a person creates a list called "Ignore" and then tags a cache to be added to thier ignore list,, will they have 2 lists called "Ignore"?

Yes, but only one of them, the automatically-created one, will actually be used to exclude caches from searches and PQs.

As expected... not always the norm in the computer world! (so, if person has done, they could could confuse themselves).

 

Thanks!

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If a person creates a list called "Ignore" and then tags a cache to be added to thier ignore list,, will they have 2 lists called "Ignore"?

Heh. I know what you're getting at, but I was struck with the idea to create a "Money tree grows here" bookmark list and add a bunch of nearby caches, just to see if a tree would sprout roots and earn me some income. :(

 

But no, as Hemlock indicated, the name doesn't matter. The ignore button creates a special ignore list that is used to ignore caches. The name doesn't have any effect whether it is an ignore list or not. :

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If a person creates a list called "Ignore" and then tags a cache to be added to thier ignore list,, will they have 2 lists called "Ignore"?

Heh. I know what you're getting at, but I was struck with the idea to create a "Money tree grows here" bookmark list and add a bunch of nearby caches, just to see if a tree would sprout roots and earn me some income. :huh:

 

But no, as Hemlock indicated, the name doesn't matter. The ignore button creates a special ignore list that is used to ignore caches. The name doesn't have any effect whether it is an ignore list or not. :

Actually, I was refering to the confusion on the user's end. Until they archived thier personaly made list, they could be working from two lists called "Ignore'

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Not really. If they just use the "ignore" button on the cache page, and don't think of the ignore list as a bookmark list, it shouldn't be a problem.

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I just tried to create my 5th bookmark list and "surprise, surprise":

 

Creation failed. You have exceeded the maximum number of bookmark lists for your account.

 

Followed by a long list of debug information.

Wasn't it 10 bookmark lists per user?

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So, currently, there's no way to have a dynamic link between the listed cache in your bookmark to be able to look up the status of the cache and determine if it's disabled (with a single blue line through it) or archived (red text with a single red line through it) as it shows up on the search results page.

 

Is that right?

Yes. There is no (current) way to do this. It is, however, planned.

Is it possible to simply have the bookmark list display the same way as the Hide/Seek cache? I read through this thread, and I *think* you said something about them being in different locations and that was part of the problem.

 

Possibly as a "summary list" or "detailed list". This would give folks a similar view of things (such as the strikeout)

 

See, the thing is, I'd like to bulk map items on my bookmark list, without having to go back a select them all from the main Cache search.

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I just tried to create my 5th bookmark list and "surprise, surprise":

 

Creation failed. You have exceeded the maximum number of bookmark lists for your account.

 

Followed by a long list of debug information.

Wasn't it 10 bookmark lists per user?

 

I'm running into this same problem. I have one list with 54 entrees, one list with 2 entrees, and a third list with 13 entrees. I can still add entrees to the biggest list but I get that error when I try to add anymore to the smaller lists? I even deleted the smallest list but still can't add more to the one list. What's up?

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I would like to be able to move a bookmark from one list to another. Why? I have a list called "To Do" and one called "Done". Mainly I use them for puzzle caches, so I have notes for them (such as deciphered codes, actual coords etc.). Right now I have to cut and paste the notes and then delete the original (To Do) bookmark.

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I would like to be able to move a bookmark from one list to another. Why? I have a list called "To Do" and one called "Done". Mainly I use them for puzzle caches, so I have notes for them (such as deciphered codes, actual coords etc.). Right now I have to cut and paste the notes and then delete the original (To Do) bookmark.

That seems a bit flawed, since a bookmark list size is limited. You'll soon hit the limit on your "done" list. Since the system keeps track of your "done" caches already, why not just delete them off your "to do" list?

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I would like to be able to move a bookmark from one list to another. Why? I have a list called "To Do" and one called "Done".  Mainly I use them for puzzle caches, so I have notes for them (such as deciphered codes, actual coords etc.). Right now I have to cut and paste the notes and then delete the original (To Do) bookmark.

That seems a bit flawed, since a bookmark list size is limited. You'll soon hit the limit on your "done" list. Since the system keeps track of your "done" caches already, why not just delete them off your "to do" list?

True...but what if you have a ToDo bookmark list and after you do it, you want to move it to your Watchlist or say "My Favorite Caches"?

 

Kenneth

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I would like to be able to move a bookmark from one list to another. Why? I have a list called "To Do" and one called "Done".  Mainly I use them for puzzle caches, so I have notes for them (such as deciphered codes, actual coords etc.). Right now I have to cut and paste the notes and then delete the original (To Do) bookmark.

That seems a bit flawed, since a bookmark list size is limited. You'll soon hit the limit on your "done" list. Since the system keeps track of your "done" caches already, why not just delete them off your "to do" list?

It's not *all* the caches, basically just the puzzle caches. I want to keep my notes on them in case somebody asks me for a hint or whatever.

 

But thanks for letting me know what I wanted to do was *flawed*...

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