+pdxmarathonman Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 www.coinandpins.com = Hong Kong What???!!!! You're kidding, right??!! All my coins came wrapped in a baggie that said Made in China. I think the big box may have had Hong Kong printed on it. Quote Link to comment
+Thrak Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 My personal preference is for coins not made in China. Why is everyone hatin' on China? I had no idea where the New Mexico coins were going to be made. Frankly I didn't care as long as they look good - I think they look great.If anyone would like their money back because the coins were made overseas just return the coins to me and I'll issue a refund. Geesh! Oh, no! Does this mean the 9key coin is made in China? Oh, woe is me!!!! LOL - I don't care at all. I'm eagerly awaiting arrival of my 9key coins. I think they're great! Quote Link to comment
+nfa Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) If you enjoy hot-dogs, you shouldn't think too much about how they're made...the same applies to geocoins Edited November 8, 2005 by NFA Quote Link to comment
+Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) www.coinandpins.com = Hong Kong What???!!!! You're kidding, right??!! All my coins came wrapped in a baggie that said Made in China. I think the big box may have had Hong Kong printed on it. Maybe just the baggie or box made there..... Edited November 8, 2005 by Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Quote Link to comment
kcart Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Aw, c'mon. Just the little clear plastic holder thingie was made in China, right? ©¿©¬ Quote Link to comment
57chevy Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 My most expensive coins were made at the Alaska mint. The Alaska gold relief coins went for $42 apiece. Truly outstanding superior quality coins and IMHO the best looking coin out there. Had they been made elsewhere with the same quality, I would have gladly paid the same. Quote Link to comment
PCFrog Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) www.coinandpins.com = Hong Kong What???!!!! You're kidding, right??!! No I’m not.. My order, which was done with coinsandpins came from Hong Kong. That’s why the shipping charge is so much from them. edit.. The Fedex label also says from Hong Kong Edited November 8, 2005 by pcfrog Quote Link to comment
+Chaos A.D./aka Arlsdaddy Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 www.coinandpins.com = Hong Kong What???!!!! You're kidding, right??!! No I’m not.. My order, which was done with coinsandpins came from Hong Kong. That’s why the shipping charge is so much from them. edit.. The Fedex label also says from Hong Kong Maybe they just send the coins there for final approval..... Quote Link to comment
+Ladybug Kids Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 New Mexico coin, made overseas.... $7 +shipping Alaska coin, minted in the United States..... $5 +shipping Someone was saying American workers are overpriced? For a direct apples to apples comparison, if the 2005 Alaska brass geocoin had been gc.com trackable, the cost would have been about $7.00-$7.50 by the time we bought the tracking numbers from gc.com and paid the extra engraving fees for the random alpha-numeric tracking numbers. Also hidden in the per coin cost is the mintage. Alaska minted 1500 brass coins to hold the per coin cost to $5. If the mintage had been held to 1000 or less like other states are doing, the cost would have been 65 to 70 cents per coin higher to recoup the die costs. Quote Link to comment
+Ladybug Kids Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) My most expensive coins were made at the Alaska mint. The Alaska gold relief coins went for $42 apiece. Truly outstanding superior quality coins and IMHO the best looking coin out there. Had they been made elsewhere with the same quality, I would have gladly paid the same. The reason the 2005 Alaska silver and silver with gold relief coins cost so much more than the $5 brass coin is that they are one ounce 0.999 silver and silver with real gold relief, respectively. The base metal price and extra processing step for the gold relief in large part drove the cost of the Alaska limited editions. Edited November 8, 2005 by Ladybug Kids Quote Link to comment
+LadeBear68 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Is there a Chinese coin? I happen to think the New Mexico coin is great, beautiful work. I don't like the fact that I pay the same amount of money for a coin that is half the size and not as nice. Quote Link to comment
+Ladybug Kids Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) I don't remember if there was actual shipping from the AK mint. I know the cacher/designer actually visited the mint during the process though, so it is possible they were picked up. I think the poster may have been referring to shipping costs to the individual cachers. However, it is correct that I did not incur shipping costs from the mint to me, but there was a certain amount of personal physical effort incurred during two separate trips through the airport with more than 50-80 pounds of carryon luggage . Plus, the grey hairs that sprouted when security initially said they needed to unwrap each bundle of 25 brass coins and open each limited edition box to verify all they held were coins . Fortunately, reason eventually prevailed and they were convinced to run the coins through the x-ray machine "edge up" so they could see through the packaging. Edited November 8, 2005 by Ladybug Kids Quote Link to comment
57chevy Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 The reason the 2005 Alaska silver and silver with gold relief coins cost so much more than the $5 brass coin is that they are one ounce 0.999 silver and silver with real gold relief, respectively. The base metal price and extra processing step for the gold relief in large part drove the cost of the Alaska limited editions. Did I mention that the Alaska coins are the Best looking coins out there? Thanks again Ladybug Kids, I really love this coin. Quote Link to comment
+bushwackin' schmo Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 I handle my Chinese geocoins with chop sticks ! Quote Link to comment
SCP-173 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) www.coinandpins.com = Hong Kong What???!!!! You're kidding, right??!! No I’m not.. My order, which was done with coinsandpins came from Hong Kong. That’s why the shipping charge is so much from them. edit.. The Fedex label also says from Hong Kong My coins from coinsandpins came from Hong Kong as well, but I only payed $8 for shipping. It's been my experience that the only thing from China/Japan/Hong Kong/etc. that is extremely sub par in quality is knives. I don't plan on cutting anything with my coins, so I don't see an issue in that. Edited November 8, 2005 by Vargseld? ™ Quote Link to comment
kcart Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 the only thing from China/Japan/Hong Kong/etc. that is extremely sub par in quality is knives. I don't plan on cutting anything with my coins There are too many high quality blades made in the Far East to mention. Of course, you'll never get a decent knife, regardless where it's made, for the cost of a Geocoin. Well, maybe a MIGO seasonal on eBay. ©¿©¬ Quote Link to comment
+Facedances Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I'll take 2 Chinese coins, please. Quote Link to comment
+Nazgul Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Yeah, just think of all those lousy katanas, wakizashis, tantos, and other trash they've been making in Japan for all those hundreds of years. Where's the silly-meter for this thread when you need one anyway? Quote Link to comment
SCP-173 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 the only thing from China/Japan/Hong Kong/etc. that is extremely sub par in quality is knives. I don't plan on cutting anything with my coins There are too many high quality blades made in the Far East to mention. Of course, you'll never get a decent knife, regardless where it's made, for the cost of a Geocoin. Well, maybe a MIGO seasonal on eBay. ©¿©¬ Well, if you're talking about legitamently made katanas and the like then you're absolutely correct. I'm refering to pocket knives, though. I've been very dissapointed with some "high quality" Japanese made knives that get spots on the blades from just being carried around coughBenchmadecough. Sorry, I'll stop going off topic now. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) Most coin makers are essentially an interface for a foreign coin maker. Foreign typically means Korea, and China. Though Hong Kong did come up. Out of 26 or so companies I've contacted 20 have responded. Some only said "Overseas" or "Asia" Of those that said: 3, Korea, 1, Australia 1, Canada 5, USA 5, China 1, Hong Kong (Since Hong Kong is China these days some China responses could be Hong Kong) More than one coin maker didn't like the Korean makers due to copyright issues, unauthorized use of dies etc. That doesnt' mean all Korean makers do that, but Korea was the only country singled out. Coins and Pins said they use China or the USA depending on the coin. Edited November 8, 2005 by Renegade Knight Quote Link to comment
+nielsenc Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 www.coinandpins.com = Hong Kong What???!!!! You're kidding, right??!! No I’m not.. My order, which was done with coinsandpins came from Hong Kong. That’s why the shipping charge is so much from them. edit.. The Fedex label also says from Hong Kong My coins from coinsandpins came from Hong Kong as well, but I only payed $8 for shipping. It's been my experience that the only thing from China/Japan/Hong Kong/etc. that is extremely sub par in quality is knives. I don't plan on cutting anything with my coins, so I don't see an issue in that. Just to clear this up, Hong Kong = China . Also, most of the manufacturing that used to happen in HK has moved to Guangzhou, which borders Hong Kong. Most companies in Guangzhou ship thier orders to Hong Kong to ship. What you are most likely seeing is the last place before shipment to coinsandpins. nielsenc Quote Link to comment
YemonYime Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Ooh! Chinese icon! I'll design the Chinese Geocoins and have them minted in the US. There. Now is everyone happy? Quote Link to comment
+Mystery Ink Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) Ooh! Chinese icon! I'll design the Chinese Geocoins and have them minted in the US. There. Now is everyone happy? We will take 5 regular and 2 limited edition. Paid up member of GAA Edited November 8, 2005 by Mystery Ink Quote Link to comment
YemonYime Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Ooh! Chinese icon! I'll design the Chinese Geocoins and have them minted in the US. There. Now is everyone happy? We will take 5 regular and 2 limited edition. Paid up member of GAA I should add that I'm not Chinese, have never been to China, have never seen "Chinatown", and have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything remotely Chinese except that I like Cashew Chicken and occasionally enjoy it on dinnerware that's ironically called "china". So, how many do you all want? Quote Link to comment
+Mystery Ink Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Ooh! Chinese icon! I'll design the Chinese Geocoins and have them minted in the US. There. Now is everyone happy? We will take 5 regular and 2 limited edition. Paid up member of GAA I should add that I'm not Chinese, have never been to China, have never seen "Chinatown", and have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything remotely Chinese except that I like Cashew Chicken and occasionally enjoy it on dinnerware that's ironically called "china". So, how many do you all want? That is close enough for us. How soon will they ship? Quote Link to comment
+Lemon Fresh Dog Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 www.coinandpins.com = Hong Kong What???!!!! You're kidding, right??!! All my coins came wrapped in a baggie that said Made in China. I think the big box may have had Hong Kong printed on it. Um..... Hong Kong is part of China now. Personally, I am Canadian -- so any coins not made in Canada are.... well. not made in Canada. This is okay with metal coins, but I think all wooden nickels should be made in Canada. The metal ones should have ore from Canada. Of course, I'm from Alberta -- so don't get me started on oil. Okay -- just kidding. Truth is, we live in a global economy and I have no preference as to where coins are made. The trade-off triangle of Price, Quality and Timely delivery will win. I do watch mostly US-made movies though. Also, most software I use in engineered in the US, but "coded" in India and overseas. Quote Link to comment
LoriDarlin Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I don't care where they are made and long as they do a quality job Quote Link to comment
+Pepper Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) Vargseld? ™ did you really really only pay 8.00 dollars for the shipping of your coins? Or did I miss read your post? D & R Military has always charged my 60.00 dollars for 100 coins! Pepper Edited November 8, 2005 by Pepper Quote Link to comment
PCFrog Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Um..... Hong Kong is part of China now. Yes ... Yes.... I'm of old school, since I been to Hong Kong before it was transferred over. Old habbit. Quote Link to comment
SCP-173 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Vargseld? ™ did you really really only pay 8.00 dollars for the shipping of your coins? Or did I miss read your post? D & R Military has always charged my 60.00 dollars for 100 coins! Pepper Woops, I was wrong. Shipping was $32.00 (still pretty cheap). Wow, that means the coins cost less than I thought. Quote Link to comment
+nfa Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) let's get back on topic here...has anyone seen the silver edition of the Chinese geocoins? Edited November 8, 2005 by NFA Quote Link to comment
+ChinCache Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I noticed that a lot of resposes to this thread were about price. How much would the actual savings be? If it's really importtant about being cheaper why get them made at all? It is this mentality that is also why so many people are living at the poverty level or below in the USA. plants can't stay open if everybody buys the cheap foreign made goods. Quote Link to comment
+DancesWithMoose Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Actually I don't think most people really know where the coins are being made. I went with someone who had made a coin I really liked The Caching Place. I honestly don't know where the coins are being made. I liked the design work they did for me and as I said the other coins I had seen that were made through them. Quote Link to comment
+501_Gang Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 What's the big deal where they are made? China, Japan, Korea, Mexico or USA. So many of our products, no matter what they are, are made everywhere. The Garmin GPS is made in Taiwan but that didn't stop me from buying it. Quote Link to comment
+Lemon Fresh Dog Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I noticed that a lot of resposes to this thread were about price. How much would the actual savings be? If it's really importtant about being cheaper why get them made at all? It is this mentality that is also why so many people are living at the poverty level or below in the USA. plants can't stay open if everybody buys the cheap foreign made goods. I can see the frustration -- but the reality is that everyone wants to be paid high and spend low. Walmart is where most people shop for household goods for a reason. I may not get my coins made in my country (Canada), but I do contribute to the economic well-being in other ways. Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 You know, we sure have some lively debates around here! The majority of coins that are being sold and traded on these forums are manufactured in the Far-East. I'm not saying that this is good or bad, it's just a fact. I will say, that with as much as we all adore our coins, just be careful how much affection you give them! I'd hate so see someone kissing or licking their newly minted coins and come down with a case of avian flu... Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 It looks like I killed this rant! I have to tell you, after my crack about avian flu, I have been LMAO picturing everyone opening their mail with masks and gloves on! Is anyone afraid to breathe when they open up the plastic baggie and let the Chinese air out? Quote Link to comment
SCP-173 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I'd hate so see someone kissing or licking their newly minted coins... Isn't that sort of thing illegal in 48 states? Quote Link to comment
+bullit Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I'd personally prefer them to be US made and would pay a little extra for that. If they are made cheaply in China it'd be nice to see the savings passed on to us geocachers instead of trying to make a buck from your comrades. Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I'd personally prefer them to be US made and would pay a little extra for that. If they are made cheaply in China it'd be nice to see the savings passed on to us geocachers instead of trying to make a buck from your comrades. Was that directed an anyone in particular, or am I being overly sensitive today? Quote Link to comment
+LadeBear68 Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I can name a few people and states in which I believe their coins are complete rip offs but your coin is definitely not one of them Cornerstone4. Quote Link to comment
57chevy Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I'd hate so see someone kissing or licking their newly minted coins... Isn't that sort of thing illegal in 48 states? Luckily I live in Missouri Quote Link to comment
+GrandpaKim Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I'd hate so see someone kissing or licking their newly minted coins... Isn't that sort of thing illegal in 48 states? I'll have to be careful. I live in Utah!!! Quote Link to comment
Rupert2 Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 I noticed that a lot of resposes to this thread were about price. How much would the actual savings be? If it's really importtant about being cheaper why get them made at all? It is this mentality that is also why so many people are living at the poverty level or below in the USA. plants can't stay open if everybody buys the cheap foreign made goods. You have to ask yourself if the production of the coins within the US will provide jobs that can support US families. I do not see geocoins (coins and medals) production being large enough to become a true viable US industry. We might be better off leaving production of such items in the far east and concentrating our attention on more robust manfacturing that can support US families. Quote Link to comment
+bullit Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 I'd personally prefer them to be US made and would pay a little extra for that. If they are made cheaply in China it'd be nice to see the savings passed on to us geocachers instead of trying to make a buck from your comrades. Was that directed an anyone in particular, or am I being overly sensitive today? You are being overly sensitive... Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 ...You have to ask yourself if the production of the coins within the US will provide jobs that can support US families. I do not see geocoins (coins and medals) production being large enough to become a true viable US industry.... Given there are mints in the USA I'd have to say the answer is yes they do support families and it is a viable industry. Perhaps not on the scale of the Auto Industry but more deserving than the cheeze whiz industry. Quote Link to comment
+Lemon Fresh Dog Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 As a non-US resident (and non-Chinese too), I personally do not care where my coins are minted -- as long as the quality is good. I find it odd that the focus is not on quality, price and speed of service, but rather than on the place of manufacture under the pretense of job-protection. The best way to protect any job is simple -- do the best job at the right price with the best service. I am sure that if this becomes the case for a US firm, that firm will win more contracts and work. The fact that where coins are made is an issue strikes me as very odd to be truethful. I would suggest that each person chooses their own manufacturer and which coins to purchase. If someone asked me where my coins were made as a pre-determinent to purchase -- I would actually be surprized. Quote Link to comment
+Audion64 Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 The best way to protect any job is simple -- do the best job at the right price with the best service. It would be wonderful if it really were that simple. Well it is that simple if you are willing to work for FREE... because by too many people's definition, THAT is the right price. Too often manufacture of products is being moved from Europe and North America to 3rd world countries simply because the workers there will (or have to) work for less, sometimes 1/100th of the European wage. Oh, the price of the product to the consumer may drop a little, usually just enough to undercut the competitors price but I've never seen the price of the product drop in direct proportion to the wage savings the company is making. If this were to happen then I would imagine a Chinese minted coin should cost about 1/10th of the cost of a North American minted coin.... that's not the case. So, who's raking in all the cash of the price differential? I guarantee it's not the workers who are actually doing the WORK of making the coins. You may feel that's capitalism at its best, all fine and dandy... I do not. So in the end, this really ISN'T about WHERE the coin (or any product for that matter) is made... it's about whether the workers are being paid a fair wage relative to the profits the company is reaping off their labour. When the companies either 1) Raise the wages of the workers or 2) lowers the price of their coins to be in reasonable proportion to their labor savings... then yea I'll gladly buy coins (or other products) made WHEREEVER. Till then I'll do my best to support people trying to RAISE the standard of living for everyone in the world rather than the greedy ones trying to get rich off the blood and sweat of the workers. Quote Link to comment
+GA Cacher Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 {quoteSo in the end, this really ISN'T about WHERE the coin (or any product for that matter) is made... it's about whether the workers are being paid a fair wage relative to the profits the company is reaping off their labour. When the companies either 1) Raise the wages of the workers or 2) lowers the price of their coins to be in reasonable proportion to their labor savings... then yea I'll gladly buy coins (or other products) made WHEREEVER. Till then I'll do my best to support people trying to RAISE the standard of living for everyone in the world rather than the greedy ones trying to get rich off the blood and sweat of the workers. Very well said, but where was your GPSr made? Quote Link to comment
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