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TEAM 360

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From a just-approved cache:

 

This cache is so easy I don't need to tell you what to look for. You'll know it when you see it.

contains:

log book and pencil

Braclet

a weird paper clip

lighter

red guy who used to be the other half of a clip

green game peice girl

never used disposable leg razor

 

I had a cache turned down for a pocketknife once, but here's a razor and a lighter that got by. Hmmmm. Don't wanna be the "cache police" here, but it seems to me either one of these items could be harmful, let alone having them BOTH in the same cache. Guarantee you that's one razor that will be rusty by the time the first finder gets to it.

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Micqn

Micqn

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A lighter. I guess as long as their isn't any firecrackers you're doing okay. Or Drugs -- or a pipe so that you can use your lighter to light your new-found drugs in. Hmm, I guess if you go to far with the drug and pipe thing you can always slit your wrists with that new razor, write your dieing message in the log book and be found with a red and a green game piece girl clutched tightly in your bloody fists.

 

Personally, I think a lighter is going a bit to far. I usually take the lighter if I find one in a cache. Same with drugs. icon_razz.gif

 

Don't Drink And Park: Accidents Cause People.

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GPS_Brian

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A cache doesn't get archived if a pocketknife appears in the log long after it was originally placed so why scrutinize the contents at placement? Unless of course it a theme cache where you are actively encouraging folks to place inappropriate items.

 

I'd apply the same thing here. While the contents sound largely like junk, I don't see the benefit of strutinizing it as a matter of placement when the contents will quickly turn over anyway.

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Originally posted by TEAM 360:

From a just-approved cache:

 

This cache is so easy I don't need to tell you what to look for. You'll know it when you see it.

contains:

log book and pencil

Braclet

a weird paper clip

lighter

red guy who used to be the other half of a clip

green game peice girl

never used disposable leg razor

 

I had a cache turned down for a pocketknife once, but here's a razor and a lighter that got by. Hmmmm. Don't wanna be the "cache police" here, but it seems to me either one of these items could be harmful, let alone having them BOTH in the same cache. Guarantee you that's one razor that will be rusty by the time the first finder gets to it.

 

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Renegade Knight

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If you archive the cache for those contents you have just created geo-litter. A cacher will come along and trade them out and life will be good.

 

Perhaps they were taking out due to a note by the admin but the placer did't remove the listing? You just don't know, and it's really second guessing the approvers who's job is probably hard enough.

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briansnat

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I see the problem. Some convict may find the pencil and use it to attack his guard.

 

Or some kid may pick up the pencil and accidently poke his eye out. Or what if a young child takes the log book, tears out a piece of paper, swallows it and chokes to death on it.

 

This dangerous cache should have never been approved!

 

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

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woodsters

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Originally posted by BrianSnat:

I see the problem. Some convict may find the pencil and use it to attack his guard.

 

Or some kid may pick up the pencil and accidently poke his eye out. Or what if a young child takes the log book, tears out a piece of paper, swallows it and chokes to death on it.

 

This dangerous cache should have never been approved!

 

Or the dreaded papercut from the logbook! Was their a warning that the paper was sharp? icon_biggrin.gif

 

Brian

 

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

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mtn-man

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Originally posted by Renegade Knight:

If you archive the cache for those contents you have just created geo-litter.

Actually, we really should have contacted the owner to go remove that stuff before it was listed. Then the cache can be listed without the problem items. It goes back to that "keeping the cache close enough to maintain" thing.
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Mark 42

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A lighter in the wrong hands

could be dangerous...

 

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Y'know, I was refused admission to an airshow on Mcchord AFB because I had a 1.312" blade (3,3cm) knife in my pocket.

 

Here are these guys walking around all over the place with M16's, and I'm gonna hijack the AFB with a keychain knife?

 

I had to either go back to my car in the rain, or throw the knife in the trash. I've had this knife for a few years, so I'm attached to it.

 

Walked back to the car. Got wet feet. Spent 2 hours before I rejoined my family. Wet feet caused blisters.

 

Next time they ask "Do you have any guns, knives, etc... Just say "no".

 

Sometimes I gues being honest has ridiculous costs.

 

The razor doesn't have an exposed blade.

The lighter could be a problem, but not likely (anyone that would cause trouble with it could bring one from home).

 

But, I wouldn't put any of those items in for a few reasons...

1. Cheesey. Better an empty container & post "seeking donations" in the cache description (make filling it with trinkets part of the game).

 

2. Potential for a problem, though small.

 

3. Somebody will post a gripe about it being inappropriate.

 

4. It could fall into the hands of terrorists.

 

Hukt un fonix werkt fur mee

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woodsters

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Ex AF Security Police here, and with the given current hightened alert status today, I think you should be happy that they wouldn't allow you in. What if they allowed others in with the same item? What if they were not as honest as you are? No you wouldn't take over the base with it, but it saves a lot of heartache and the chance that someone could get hurt. They are there to protect not only for life, but for limb as well. They are also there to protect property. Of course any terrorist or thug can use just about anything that is allowed and cause more harm. They can only restrict so much. The obvious things are what get restricted.

 

Have worked in a prison setting (state and federal for around 10 yrs altogether) and have seen very many things that one can use and design to cause death or injury to another.

 

Be happy that they did what they did and they did what they were supposed to do. Back in '92 I had a kubaton (keychain) taken from me in the Atlanta Airport. For those who don't know what it is, it's a plastic stick about 6" long. Blount of both ends. It's used for self defense , but you can use a ball point pen for the same thing. Even though I was a peace officer, I was still not allowed to have it and I wasn't flying, I was picking up someone.

 

Brian

 

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

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Dinoprophet

Dinoprophet

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Originally posted by Micqn:

I usually take the lighter if I find one in a cache. Same with drugs. icon_razz.gif

The funny thing is, the first time I skimmed the list here and saw paper, lighters, clips, and razors, and I thought the complaint was about drugs.

 

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Yeah he built an ugly city because he wanted the mountain to love him back -- Dar Williams

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Team VaxCave

Team VaxCave

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Last weekend I got a CD from a cache. Got home and popped it in to find 600 megs of guy on guy porn. Not my cup of tea. The cache was placed by a group of frat boys who have zero finds, and only this one hide. The posted coordinates are 100ft off. The account has never been validated. The user first visited Nov. 6 2002 and their last visit was Nov. 7 2002. Not so much the porn, but the stats on the account are troublesome to me and the lack of cache maintenance. Should a non-validated user account be allowed to post a hidden cache?

 

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Vacman

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Originally posted by Dinoprophet:

The funny thing is, the first time I skimmed the list here and saw paper, lighters, clips, and razors, and I thought the complaint was _about_ drugs.

 

Nope - THAT thread is mine over here

 

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El Diablo

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90 percent of the caches that I've found have had pocket knives in them. I'm sure there are probably thousands out there in caches. So far I have yet to hear on the news about anyone getting a knife out of a cache and harming anyone.

 

Having over 8 years of experince in law enforcement...the only convict I've ever seen in the woods was running..not looking to find a cache with a pocket knife so he could attack a police officer armed with a 9mm and a 12 gauge shotgun.

 

As far as kids getting knives...parents do supervise their kids...right?? If not...what keeps them from taking a buther knife from the kitchen drawer and becoming the next JASON?

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

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Keystone

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El Diablo, in Ohio there is a county where geocaching is banned in their county parks because a cache was found and it had a pen knife in it. The ban cited an ordinance prohibiting weapons in county parks.

 

The rule is designed in part to keep from giving public officials another reason to ban caching.

 

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El Diablo

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Originally posted by mtn-man:

El Diablo, in GA the State Parks use prisoners to clean up the parks. They are very concerned about prisoners finding a cache that has a knife and overpowering the guard.

 

Once again they are going to the extreme. Any guard that is doing his job sees what his crew is doing. If they are so worried about this...what about a broken glass bottle on the side of the road?

 

It is a knee jerk reaction to a "what if". If there are any Correctional Officers out there reading this I would love to hear your input. I would venture to guess that most would laugh at the notion.

 

The majority of prisoner work crews are non violent offenders. That is the reason they are out there. For the few road crews that are considered dangerous, you won't see one get within 10 ft of a shotgun armed officer that is guarding them. If you don't think those officers out there are very aware of what can be found on the side of the road and used againdst them, then you aren't giving them enough credit. I speak from experince not just speculation.

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

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El Diablo

+El Diablo

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Originally posted by Keystone Approver:

El Diablo, in Ohio there is a county where geocaching is banned in their county parks because a cache was found and it had a pen knife in it. The ban cited an ordinance prohibiting weapons in county parks.

 

The rule is designed in part to keep from giving public officials another reason to ban caching.

 

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Having been in law enforcement for 8 years, I never heard of a pen knife being considered a weapon. I won't say what an idiot I think the person who banned caching from a public park because of that is...the hell I won't...IDIOT!!

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

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cachecrazies

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Caution needs to be taken with "obviously" dangerous items of course, but....

violent people will find a way to be violent with ANY OBJECT or with no object at all but themselves.

We can try to stop them - but we can't - they will always find a way to do harm to themselves or others, if that is what they want to do. If we did away with everything in the world that might bring harm - there would be nothing in the world - especially humans.

 

"Geocaching expands your horizons - not your butt!"

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Ltljon

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A convict (excuse me, Inmate) working on the roadside or a park isn't likely to throw down his bush-ax for a pocket knife or a lighter should the opportunity present itself. And yes there's convicted murderer's out there too. If you've been in prision long enough to make "Honor Grade" & have a reasonably clean record, you can work with the State crews or even have a public job through the "Work Release" program. Most of what you see today are the younger, non-violent one's but don't assume they're all good ol' boys who got caught with an ounce of pot.

 

[This message was edited by Ltljon on August 06, 2003 at 02:21 PM.]

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T10X

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Hey El Diablo, what if geocaching was around when the movie Cool Hand Luke was made? Luke would have thought of something to mess with the guards. Remember the line when he's behind the bush, "I'm shaking it Boss". Too bad there wasn't a cache hidden behind the bush.

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