The San Diego Thread

[+TFTC]

I think mine looks the best.

I think yours does too! However, nothing's quite like

[+GoBolts!]

Ventura Kids finally made some Geocoins.

 

I'm not sure if this is the right spot for my message.... I just found out there are forums

 

I joined a group of Obsessed geocachers and we made a set of coins.

 

The Obsessed Geocoin Collection

 

These four geocachers combined have found over 37000 caches.

We are all from California!

 

If you collect geocoins, we are selling them in a set of 4 coins.

I think mine looks the best.

 

Sorry I missed that last campout at Skillets place. I was concerned for the weather, and judging by all the pictures, I was right!

 

We hope to see everyone at the next event.

 

I don't want to buy one but can I put a sticker on them all?

[+SD Rowdies]

Does anyone have a clue why "travelita" disabled all of her caches?

She did it around 1850...and all she wrote was "* Required".

We did Adrenaline Rush today...got home went to log it and????

She's worried that her coords are not accurate. I haven't had any problems at all with her coords. Seems the coords for The Ghost may have an error, but who hasn't made an error with coords before? I will certainly admit to multiple such errors. Other than the Ghost, all her other caches have been found without much difficulty. I hope she brings them all back soon...

I have done three of her caches and the coords have been great.

and as far as coord errors....I am sad to say that I have done it twice and sent two cachers on a wild goose chase.

Yea you sure did

I second the motion that her measurements are just fine. Her cache coordinates ain't all that bad either.

 

She did a fine job of "I'm Embarrased" and "I'm Envious" caches. Both of those caches are out of the ordinary as far as presentation goes. Including a beehive is a nice touch I say.

Edited April 11, 2006 by SD Rowdies

[+ventura_kids]

Believe it or not.... #1 thinks she is NOT Obsessed!

 

The set of 4 bronze coins is $40 plus shipping.

[+jahoadi and john]

In keeping with a tried and true San Diego tradition I shall now change my geocaching name. Like others before me, Duncan, Miragee, Habu!, Chuy!, I have decided that lostguy51 no longer suits me. When I first created my account I wanted to be known as Lostguy but it was already taken by someone with no finds or hides & it still has no finds or hides. I added 51 to lostguy as this was the year I was born. Well now I have decided to drop the 51 as I don't want anyone to know the year I was born. From this day forth I shall be known as "Lostguy". I have the include the parenthesis so it will be accepted by the website. I am still very Lost and still very much a guy but I am no longer old. Thank you for accepting my new identity. I still haven't figured out if this will post as a new item or be added to some existing post. If it comes out stupid then will someone please enlighten me.

 

I like "lostguy" ok, since I never said the 51 anyways. If there was a vote I would've voted for "Downhill Dick" though..I've seen you on a MTB going down and even on a hiking trail,,,ain't no stopping you!!! r/ jodi

[+Chuy!]

These guys are nuts!

 

See Puzzle Blocker cache.

 

[+RocketMan]

These guys are nuts!

 

See Puzzle Blocker cache.

 

 

Not a good idea. A guy tried that at one of our YMCA campouts and ended up in an ambulance going into convulsions on the way to the hospital. Some of those snakes have pretty good articulation with their heads. RM

 

Edit: Unless you are this guy:

 

 

You notice he never grabs the neck. He just avoids the head.

Edited April 12, 2006 by RocketMan

[+Team Adelos]

These guys are nuts!

 

See Puzzle Blocker cache.

 

--snip--

 

I hope no one else trys that on the trail. Don't feel encouraged to pick up a rattle snake. It would not be recommended.. and yes, that IS nuts! If he was bitten, it would be quite a walk back on a trail. I am glad he and the kids are safe..

[+FlagMan]

Anyone see this live? CBS Piece On Geocaching Looks like we've made the big time!

[+Miragee]

I saw that CBS segment. It was great!

 

Jeremy said the site experienced quite a spike in traffic after that.

[+WizCreations]

Hail!

 

Just a quick question that might take up the rest of this page for the thread, but then again, it might not. What's going on with all the new caches in MTRP? I'm don't want enter the war zone out of fear of having to venture in again when many more caches are published so far away.

 

Maybe when things settle down.... I do like it, though; gives me an adventure (of finds) to look forward to.

[+SD Rowdies]

Hail!

 

Just a quick question that might take up the rest of this page for the thread, but then again, it might not. What's going on with all the new caches in MTRP? I'm don't want enter the war zone out of fear of having to venture in again when many more caches are published so far away.

 

Maybe when things settle down.... I do like it, though; gives me an adventure (of finds) to look forward to.

A young fella like you should be able to beat ol' Cegrube to the FTFs. On the other hand my guess is that the battle will rage on for a while.

[+WizCreations]

Hail!

 

Just a quick question that might take up the rest of this page for the thread, but then again, it might not. What's going on with all the new caches in MTRP? I'm don't want enter the war zone out of fear of having to venture in again when many more caches are published so far away.

 

Maybe when things settle down.... I do like it, though; gives me an adventure (of finds) to look forward to.

A young fella like you should be able to beat ol' Cegrube to the FTFs. On the other hand my guess is that the battle will rage on for a while.

The thing Cegrube has that I don't is a method to travel. I'm still walking or riding a bike around the area. It's a lot of work to keep up with the caches. 2 mile radius is my limit for trying to get the FTFs.

[+SD Rowdies]

Hail!

 

Just a quick question that might take up the rest of this page for the thread, but then again, it might not. What's going on with all the new caches in MTRP? I'm don't want enter the war zone out of fear of having to venture in again when many more caches are published so far away.

 

Maybe when things settle down.... I do like it, though; gives me an adventure (of finds) to look forward to.

A young fella like you should be able to beat ol' Cegrube to the FTFs. On the other hand my guess is that the battle will rage on for a while.

The thing Cegrube has that I don't is a method to travel. I'm still walking or riding a bike around the area. It's a lot of work to keep up with the caches. 2 mile radius is my limit for trying to get the FTFs.

The thing is that Cegrube could pick you up and take you along for shared FTF scores. At his age it would be good to have a young guy along to look after him, you know, for getting his walker out of the car and reminding him to take his pills on time. Stuff like that.

[+GoBolts!]

I am sorry to say that all of Adelphia's e-mail accounts are down...at this time I can not receive or send e-mail. Sumrall told me that I had a bunch of e-mails from cachers (I was out caching), ...and that she answered some of them...I will respond to the rest when Adelphia is back up. Sorry!

[+GoBolts!]

I am sorry to say that all of Adelphia's e-mail accounts are down...at this time I can not receive or send e-mail. Sumrall told me that I had a bunch of e-mails from cachers (I was out caching), ...and that she answered some of them...I will respond to the rest when Adelphia is back up. Sorry!

 

All is well!

[+Marko Ramius]

The Game Is ON! Comrades/Enemies Geocoins

 

It would appear that the game has been concluded with the team of Duncan! and Gobolts! completing the challenge and winning the prize. Any other competitors wishing to protest their victory, speak now or forever hold your peace. Protest period ends at noon tomorrow, Friday April 14, 2006. -MR

 

Less than a week and they covered a lot of territory:

 

Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Dancing Men (FTF)

Adrenaline Cache

Peanuts Cache

Red Rocks

Two Crows

Forbidden Forest/Anna's Birthday Cache

Mississippi River Cache/Know Your Friends

The Hunt For Red October

Super-Secret Dan-oh Cache

Letters To Santa

Three Sisters - Scripps (FTF)

Pirate's Treasure!

 

Congrats!

Edited April 14, 2006 by Marko Ramius

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

I thought I'd mention it here on the off chance that anyone missed the thread...

 

RB Family are leaving the area and are placing some of their caches up for adoption (Rancho Bernardo area). If you might be interested, refer to the Adoption thread in the West and Southwest Forum.

Edited April 14, 2006 by Let's Look Over Thayer

[+Chuy!]

The Game Is ON! Comrades/Enemies Geocoins

It would appear that the game has been concluded with the team of Duncan! and Gobolts! completing the challenge and winning the prize. Any other competitors wishing to protest their victory, speak now or forever hold your peace. Protest period ends at noon tomorrow, Friday April 14, 2006. -MR

Less than a week and they covered a lot of territory:

 

Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Dancing Men (FTF)

Adrenaline Cache

Peanuts Cache

Red Rocks

Two Crows

Forbidden Forest/Anna's Birthday Cache

Mississippi River Cache/Know Your Friends

The Hunt For Red October

Super-Secret Dan-oh Cache

Letters To Santa

Three Sisters - Scripps (FTF)

Pirate's Treasure!

 

Congrats!

 

Wish you would have made it a puzzle or something. I found out about the contest after the winners already had half the finds, so, I didn't even bother participating at that point. An active premium-member cacher who doesn't participate in the forums didn't even know about the contest till yesterday - when I mentioned it to him.

No, I'm not protesting the victory, only the manner in which it was advertised.

[+The Dillon Gang]

HAPPY EASTER

 

The Easter bunny has arrived in town this morning....saw him hopping around the yard this morning..REAL EARLY! Went out with a cup of coffee for him and brought the down in.

[+devhead]

The Game Is ON! Comrades/Enemies Geocoins

It would appear that the game has been concluded with the team of Duncan! and Gobolts! completing the challenge and winning the prize. Any other competitors wishing to protest their victory, speak now or forever hold your peace. Protest period ends at noon tomorrow, Friday April 14, 2006. -MR

Less than a week and they covered a lot of territory:

 

Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Dancing Men (FTF)

Adrenaline Cache

Peanuts Cache

Red Rocks

Two Crows

Forbidden Forest/Anna's Birthday Cache

Mississippi River Cache/Know Your Friends

The Hunt For Red October

Super-Secret Dan-oh Cache

Letters To Santa

Three Sisters - Scripps (FTF)

Pirate's Treasure!

 

Congrats!

 

Wish you would have made it a puzzle or something. I found out about the contest after the winners already had half the finds, so, I didn't even bother participating at that point. An active premium-member cacher who doesn't participate in the forums didn't even know about the contest till yesterday - when I mentioned it to him.

No, I'm not protesting the victory, only the manner in which it was advertised.

 

Hey Chuy!:

 

What do you suggest that Marko should have done different? What more advertising should he have done? Where? If this was an everyday cacher such as Flagman and not an GC administrator would you have the same protest? I'm curious if a GC Administrator doing something on his/her own should be held to some high standard of notification for when they want to do something fun for the GC community.

[+TrailGators]

The Game Is ON! Comrades/Enemies Geocoins

It would appear that the game has been concluded with the team of Duncan! and Gobolts! completing the challenge and winning the prize. Any other competitors wishing to protest their victory, speak now or forever hold your peace. Protest period ends at noon tomorrow, Friday April 14, 2006. -MR

Wish you would have made it a puzzle or something. I found out about the contest after the winners already had half the finds, so, I didn't even bother participating at that point. An active premium-member cacher who doesn't participate in the forums didn't even know about the contest till yesterday - when I mentioned it to him.

No, I'm not protesting the victory, only the manner in which it was advertised.

Hey Chuy!:What do you suggest that Marko should have done different? What more advertising should he have done? Where? If this was an everyday cacher such as Flagman and not an GC administrator would you have the same protest? I'm curious if a GC Administrator doing something on his/her own should be held to some high standard of notification for when they want to do something fun for the GC community.

I think Flagman should be treated the same way as Marko!

Out of curiosity, how many people participated in this mystery challenge? The idea sounded pretty cool! Was anybody close to catching Duncan! and Gobolts!?

Edited April 17, 2006 by TrailGators

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

Out of curiosity, how many people participated in this mystery challenge? The idea sounded pretty cool! Was anybody close to catching Duncan! and Gobolts!?

I got on the scoreboard...I found one!

 

I didn't even try to stay close. Some us have to work and sleep. And...when we aren't working/sleeping, we have to keep going back to MTRP to check for casualties.

 

(A week ago, I logged 16 caches on the northside of MTRP. I go away for a weekend and now there's 21 new ones in the top 25 of my nearest unfound cache list...how long can this insanity continue!!?? )

[+devhead]

I didn't even try to stay close. Some us have to work and sleep. And...when we aren't working/sleeping, we have to keep going back to MTRP to check for casualties.

 

(A week ago, I logged 16 caches on the northside of MTRP. I go away for a weekend and now there's 21 new ones in the top 25 of my nearest unfound cache list...how long can this insanity continue!!?? )

 

Cache_kid wants to place a cache in MTRP called "I surrender". I'm not sure if that will be enough.

 

My last foray at MTRP left me with only 16 caches to do. Now I have over 50. The brightside to this is that I only have 40 left to get my 1000. You know where I will be heading the next time I get the chance to cache.

[+Chuy!]

Hey Chuy!:

What do you suggest that Marko should have done different? What more advertising should he have done? Where? If this was an everyday cacher such as Flagman and not an GC administrator would you have the same protest? I'm curious if a GC Administrator doing something on his/her own should be held to some high standard of notification for when they want to do something fun for the GC community.

My point was that, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, the annoucement came out only on the forums, but not everyone, including premium members, read or are registered with the forums. And those that are registered, don't read them everyday. I think a puzzle or multi of sorts would have been the fair thing to do to reach out to as many cachers as fairly as possible. Now, if the contest was to reward those that read the forums, then it brilliantly reached its goal.

[+SD Rowdies]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

 

By the way, there's a new GSAK version 6.0 released with Garmin CSX USB-port interface included.

Edited April 17, 2006 by SD Rowdies

[+Duncan!]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

 

By the way, there's a new GSAK version 6.0 released with Garmin CSX USB-port interface included.

 

How 'bout that local sports team?

 

D!

[+TFTC]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

How 'bout that local sports team? D!

How 'bout those MTRP wars?

[+TrailGators]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

 

By the way, there's a new GSAK version 6.0 released with Garmin CSX USB-port interface included.

 

How 'bout that local sports team?

 

D!

They should rename the San Diego Padres to the San Diego Hoovers cause they suck this year!

[+Miragee]

They need a collision-avoidance detector . . .

[+SD Rowdies]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

How 'bout that local sports team? D!

How 'bout those MTRP wars?

Yup, here I go again.

[+GoBolts!]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

 

By the way, there's a new GSAK version 6.0 released with Garmin CSX USB-port interface included.

 

How 'bout that local sports team?

 

D!

They should rename the San Diego Padres to the San Diego Hoovers cause they suck this year!

 

They're 3 games out of first and San Diego fans have written them off...it makes me sick...

Don't get me wrong...I hate it when the Pads and Chargers lose...however comma

I have lived all over the country and nowhere do fans quit their teams faster than in San Diego. I wish San Diego fans were half the fans of say the Cubs.

 

GoBolts! (long time Charger and Padre season ticket holder)

 

PS Do you remember the 2003 Chargers? The 4 & 12 Chargers...I atendeded all 16 games that season (all home and away games). I am the 12th man!

Edited April 17, 2006 by GoBolts!

[+Toby's Gang]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

How 'bout that local sports team? D!

How 'bout those MTRP wars?

Yup, here I go again.

 

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

[+WizCreations]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

How 'bout that local sports team? D!

How 'bout those MTRP wars?

Yup, here I go again.

 

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

 

There's a round table pizza near the Life Is Easier multi cache in Santee

 

edit: I don't think it has round tables, though...

Edited April 17, 2006 by WizCreations

[+TrailGators]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

 

By the way, there's a new GSAK version 6.0 released with Garmin CSX USB-port interface included.

 

How 'bout that local sports team?

 

D!

They should rename the San Diego Padres to the San Diego Hoovers cause they suck this year!

 

They're 3 games out of first and San Diego fans have written them off...it makes me sick...

Don't get me wrong...I hate it when the Pads and Chargers lose...however comma

I have lived all over the country and nowhere do fans quit their teams faster than in San Diego. I wish San Diego fans were half the fans of say the Cubs.

 

GoBolts! (long time Charger and Padre season ticket holder)

 

PS Do you remember the 2003 Chargers? The 4 & 12 Chargers...I atendeded all 16 games that season (all home and away games). I am the 12th man!

Dave don't get me wrong, I didn't say I would quit rooting for the Pads! I used to live in Illinois and the fans are loyal but they also loved joking about the crappy Cubs and Bears too! Joking helps you keep a smile on your face when you know down deep that another season will go by without your team bringing home the pennant. But.............it is a log season and..........miracles do happen! So go Pads!

Edited April 17, 2006 by TrailGators

[+GoBolts!]

Hey, how about this weather we're having huh?

 

By the way, there's a new GSAK version 6.0 released with Garmin CSX USB-port interface included.

 

How 'bout that local sports team?

 

D!

They should rename the San Diego Padres to the San Diego Hoovers cause they suck this year!

 

They're 3 games out of first and San Diego fans have written them off...it makes me sick...

Don't get me wrong...I hate it when the Pads and Chargers lose...however comma

I have lived all over the country and nowhere do fans quit their teams faster than in San Diego. I wish San Diego fans were half the fans of say the Cubs.

 

GoBolts! (long time Charger and Padre season ticket holder)

 

PS Do you remember the 2003 Chargers? The 4 & 12 Chargers...I atendeded all 16 games that season (all home and away games). I am the 12th man!

Dave don't get me wrong, I didn't say I would quit routing for the Pads! I used to live in Illinois and the fans are loyal but they also loved joking about the crappy Cubs and Bears too! Joking helps you keep a smile on yuor face when you know down deep that another season will go by without your team bringing home the pennant. But.............it is a log season and..........miracles do happen! So go Pads!

 

I love you man!

[+Chuy!]

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

I was thinking of a no-frills night-hike event at MTRP.

Anyone interested?

[+jahoadi and john]

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

I was thinking of a no-frills night-hike event at MTRP.

Anyone interested?

 

 

I'm in....I mean John and I are in....yippee!!! I love those hills...and at night you won't be able to see how steep they are!!! Can we climb them all???? r/jodi

[+Chuy!]

After us mortals fall off, you guys can continue all through the night .

 

On a full moon (not John's! ) you can see down them hills a long ways.

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

I was thinking of a no-frills night-hike event at MTRP.

Anyone interested?

Hmmm...a night hike offers plenty of opportunity for surreptitiously dropping a few more mines, er, I mean caches...

 

I'm in....I mean John and I are in....yippee!!! I love those hills...and at night you won't be able to see how steep they are!!! Can we climb them all????

...and now that John is "in" the odds of a cache or two being "accidently" dropped along the way has just gone up...

 

So much for a cease fire...

[+jahoadi and john]

After us mortals fall off, you guys can continue all through the night .

 

On a full moon (not John's! ) you can see down them hills a long ways.

 

 

How about Sat after you get back from Ensenada with "Lostguy" ?? (Just kidding....)

[+The Dillon Gang]

Hmmm...a night hike offers plenty of opportunity for surreptitiously dropping a few more mines, er, I mean caches...

 

and now that John is "in" the odds of a cache or two being "accidently" dropped along the way has just gone up...

 

So much for a cease fire...

 

NATO moving in its usual slowness will be arriving perhaps before this weekend due to the continued use of weapons of mass destruction within the MTRP Zone. Why NATO is coming to our little town is quite puzzling. We won't have a clue until they arrive.

Edited April 18, 2006 by The Dillon Gang

[+GoBolts!]

Beware of spies from the East...

Do not give the "other coast" people any help on TT's puzzles....Jeff has used some of his puzzles out there and they are trying to back door him. I have received e-mail from a few of them.

 

Jeff has asked if we would not help them!

 

Thanks

[+FlagMan]

Beware of spies from the East...

Do not give the "other coast" people any help on TT's puzzles....Jeff has used some of his puzzles out there and they are trying to back door him. I have received e-mail from a few of them.

 

Jeff has asked if we would not help them!

 

Thanks

 

How much are those "other coast" people offering for hints, and how much is TT offering to keep quiet? I, for one, have a price, you know....

Edited April 18, 2006 by FlagMan

[+TrailGators]

Beware of spies from the East...

Do not give the "other coast" people any help on TT's puzzles....Jeff has used some of his puzzles out there and they are trying to back door him. I have received e-mail from a few of them.

 

Jeff has asked if we would not help them!

 

Thanks

I won't help any of them! Isn't life great!

[+WizCreations]

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

I was thinking of a no-frills night-hike event at MTRP.

Anyone interested?

Hmmm...a night hike offers plenty of opportunity for surreptitiously dropping a few more mines, er, I mean caches...

 

I'm in....I mean John and I are in....yippee!!! I love those hills...and at night you won't be able to see how steep they are!!! Can we climb them all????

...and now that John is "in" the odds of a cache or two being "accidently" dropped along the way has just gone up...

 

So much for a cease fire...

 

What time of night are we talking about here?

[+Team Fatman]

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

I was thinking of a no-frills night-hike event at MTRP.

Anyone interested?

Also bring them by to do my new EVIL hide S.C.U.M. It has a new hiding spot.

[+WizCreations]

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

I was thinking of a no-frills night-hike event at MTRP.

Anyone interested?

Also bring them by to do my new EVIL hide S.C.U.M. It has a new hiding spot.

 

Even EVILer than original hiding place for S.C.U.M. version 2.0 ( ), or is it similar hiding technique, but a less private splotch of land? That one was evil; 4 of us were there for about 15 minutes before we decided to call you.

[+TrailGators]

FYI

[+Team Fatman]

I think it's time for an event!!!

We could call it MTRP Armistice, or Cache Wars Seize Fire, or The Empire Strikes back (oops, not that one).

 

We would need a place with circular tables so everyone is equal...like the Knights of the Round Table (those English kunigits). Is there a Round Table Pizza in Santee or vicinity? Are we sick of pizza yet???

I was thinking of a no-frills night-hike event at MTRP.

Anyone interested?

Also bring them by to do my new EVIL hide S.C.U.M. It has a new hiding spot.

 

Even EVILer than original hiding place for S.C.U.M. version 2.0 ( ), or is it similar hiding technique, but a less private splotch of land? That one was evil; 4 of us were there for about 15 minutes before we decided to call you.

It is more evil come and find out .