How cruel am I?

September 5, 2012

Tomorrow I plan to set my newest cache up for review.

It will be 15-20ft up in a tree in my front yard, which gives it a little challenge.

Here's the funny thing, until the FTF logs it, there will be no literal words in the description that says, "BRING A LADDER". The only thing mentioned is that there will be a LARGE cache prize for the FTF.

Now, there there. I am nice enough to include "Requires Tree Climbing" attribute, and a short blurb that says "May need equipment to retrieve". But for those eager beavers who race to find it, they will have to go back to get a ladder, missing their chance.

NOTE: The cache name will be something to the effect of "Here Kitty, Kitty."

Mwahaha. Is this too wrong?

3.6k · September 5, 2012

Up a tree in your yard? If I fall, I will sue you.

No I dont sue, but trying to give you a picture of what might happen.

11.8k · September 5, 2012

Up a tree in your yard? If I fall, I will sue you.

No I dont sue, but trying to give you a picture of what might happen.

If you fall, we will point and laugh.

:anitongue:

11.8k · September 5, 2012

until the FTF logs it, there will be no literal words in the description that says, "BRING A LADDER". The only thing mentioned is that there will be a LARGE cache prize for the FTF.

Some cachers can shimmy up a tree without a ladder. Not me, but some cachers. Others might have a ladder just in case.

If the Terrain rating is suitable (if it's up a tree and probably needs a ladder, it's a higher Terrain than most), it's fine. And most cachers may be craftier than you think. All of my caches are the kind I'd never find, and they were all found immediately. None required a ladder, though. :anicute:

3.6k · September 5, 2012

until the FTF logs it, there will be no literal words in the description that says, "BRING A LADDER". The only thing mentioned is that there will be a LARGE cache prize for the FTF.

Some cachers can shimmy up a tree without a ladder. Not me, but some cachers. Others might have a ladder just in case.

If the Terrain rating is suitable (if it's up a tree and probably needs a ladder, it's a higher Terrain than most), it's fine. And most cachers may be craftier than you think. All of my caches are the kind I'd never find, and they were all found immediately. None required a ladder, though.

LOL.. I found two caches and one DNF that require a ladder this past monday. Blame that DNF to the power company for messing up the tree and leave the mess there. :blink: Of all those three caches, they were rated correctly and not all said on the cache page that you need a ladder. Just some serious thinking and I guess it right. But yea...the FTF hogs might be in a huge rush and dont think. :unsure:

1.6k · September 5, 2012

Nothing wrong with that.... I've climbed several trees without a ladder to get a cache.

There's one cache here locally - that you need to complete a separate fizzy chart, and it requires you to climb a tree - cache is 45' up and it requires climbing gear!!

I soooooooo want to get this and trying to research HOW without needed to buy gear and take lessons....

3.7k · September 5, 2012

most cachers may be craftier than you think.

+1 They can check the coords on Google map ahead of time. You've also given some clues on your cache page. Cachers are smart.

September 5, 2012

most cachers may be craftier than you think.

+1 They can check the coords on Google map ahead of time. You've also given some clues on your cache page. Cachers are smart.

And you posted in the forums... LOL! Hope none of them are active lurkers :anibad:

1.1k · September 5, 2012

just to bad you are not from my area :-)

I be happy to show up at 4AM and climb your tree

September 5, 2012

I don't own a ladder.

I do own a chainsaw though.

<_<

1.6k · September 5, 2012

I do own a chainsaw though.

Now that...is FUNNY!!! :laughing:

8.4k · September 5, 2012

there will be a LARGE cache prize for the FTF.

I hope you don't like your plants, landscaping, sprinkler system, etc.

Many years ago a guy in North Texas hid a 50 dollar bill in a micro in the woods of a local park and posted that the money was in the cache..... The place looked like it was hit by a tornado or a bomb.

I'd reconsider posting that.

September 5, 2012

Place a waver at the base of the tree that needs to be signed to free yourself of liability. hahaha

8.4k · September 5, 2012

Place a waver at the base of the tree that needs to be signed to free yourself of liability. hahaha

I learned from a lawyer to never sign my real name to those waivers.

I usually sign as Mickey Mouse or some other fictional character. Mike Riddick is also a favorite. Most places don't check. It's a formality.

Got hit by back splatter at an indoor range. When I reported this, they defensively stated that I signed the waiver.

I told them I was just reporting it so they knew to clean their bullet traps before someone got hurt. I was even bleeding a little.

I pointed to my range ID and said I'll give you $100 if can find a waiver with my name on it. They were not amused when they checked my file an saw a cartoon mouse name. I signed the next waiver Mike Riddick (ummm not my name) and it's still on file. They just glanced at the m and r. :laughing:

Edited September 5, 2012 by Snoogans

11.8k · September 5, 2012

I usually sign as Mickey Mouse

I signed as “Donald Duck” once. My brother and I were at Disneyland. He bought a book there, and decided to get it signed by all the characters in the book -- the costumed characters roaming the park, for his toddler son. We never saw Donald Duck, so I signed that name in the book. My brother was insistent: “You can't sign that, it's forgery!” I'm also pretty sure the kid detected the fraud immediately. The moral of this story is, don't sign “Donald Duck”, unless that's the costume you are wearing. The End.

Edited September 5, 2012 by kunarion

19k · September 5, 2012

just to bad you are not from my area :-)

I be happy to show up at 4AM and climb your tree

Yeah, and don't forget to ring the bell and ask the home owner if you can borrow their ladder.

11.8k · September 5, 2012

just to bad you are not from my area :-)

I be happy to show up at 4AM and climb your tree

Yeah, and don't forget to ring the bell and ask the home owner if you can borrow their ladder chainsaw.

Fixed it for you. :laughing:

3.2k · September 5, 2012

If the Terrain is accurately listed (T4 because it will require climbing with hands) and the appropriate attributes (Requires Tree Climbing, Front Yard) then not explicitly stating in the description that it requires climbing or a ladder seems okay.

3.7k · September 5, 2012

just to bad you are not from my area :-)

I be happy to show up at 4AM and climb your tree

Yeah, and don't forget to ring the bell and ask the home owner if you can borrow their ladder.

You've got a point here. If the OP hid the cache with a ladder, presumably there would be one hanging about in the backyard.

September 5, 2012

Always have this tool in your car:

By ohiosioux at 2012-09-05

September 5, 2012

I learned from a lawyer to never sign my real name to those waivers.

I usually sign as Mickey Mouse or some other fictional character. Mike Riddick is also a favorite. Most places don't check. It's a formality.

Got hit by back splatter at an indoor range. When I reported this, they defensively stated that I signed the waiver.

I told them I was just reporting it so they knew to clean their bullet traps before someone got hurt. I was even bleeding a little.

I pointed to my range ID and said I'll give you $100 if can find a waiver with my name on it. They were not amused when they checked my file an saw a cartoon mouse name. I signed the next waiver Mike Riddick (ummm not my name) and it's still on file. They just glanced at the m and r.

Your "lawyer" told you wrong information:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2864/does-it-matter-if-you-sign-a-contract-with-a-name-thats-not-your-own

5.2k · September 5, 2012

Here's the funny thing, until the FTF logs it, there will be no literal words in the description that says, "BRING A LADDER". The only thing mentioned is that there will be a LARGE cache prize for the FTF.

I hope you won't mind when I back my SUV over your lawn, up to the tree, and stand on the roof to reach the cache. I promise not to spin the tires too much when leaving :bad:

September 5, 2012

I learned from a lawyer to never sign my real name to those waivers.

I usually sign as Mickey Mouse or some other fictional character. Mike Riddick is also a favorite. Most places don't check. It's a formality.

Got hit by back splatter at an indoor range. When I reported this, they defensively stated that I signed the waiver.

I told them I was just reporting it so they knew to clean their bullet traps before someone got hurt. I was even bleeding a little.

I pointed to my range ID and said I'll give you $100 if can find a waiver with my name on it. They were not amused when they checked my file an saw a cartoon mouse name. I signed the next waiver Mike Riddick (ummm not my name) and it's still on file. They just glanced at the m and r.

Your "lawyer" told you wrong information:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2864/does-it-matter-if-you-sign-a-contract-with-a-name-thats-not-your-own

Dangit! I've been signing "Snoogans Geocacher" on all that carp...now you tell me.

1.1k · September 5, 2012

Dangit! I've been signing "Snoogans Geocacher" on all that carp...now you tell me.

Something's fishy here.

3.6k · September 5, 2012

Dangit! I've been signing "Snoogans Geocacher" on all that carp...now you tell me.

Something's fishy here.

Said the fish. :laughing:

1.1k · September 5, 2012

If the Terrain is accurately listed (T4 because it will require climbing with hands) and the appropriate attributes (Requires Tree Climbing, Front Yard) then not explicitly stating in the description that it requires climbing or a ladder seems okay.

20' seems a tad light for a T4, but terrain seems to be regional.

1.4k · September 6, 2012

I learned from a lawyer to never sign my real name to those waivers.

I usually sign as Mickey Mouse or some other fictional character. Mike Riddick is also a favorite. Most places don't check. It's a formality.

Got hit by back splatter at an indoor range. When I reported this, they defensively stated that I signed the waiver.

I told them I was just reporting it so they knew to clean their bullet traps before someone got hurt. I was even bleeding a little.

I pointed to my range ID and said I'll give you $100 if can find a waiver with my name on it. They were not amused when they checked my file an saw a cartoon mouse name. I signed the next waiver Mike Riddick (ummm not my name) and it's still on file. They just glanced at the m and r.

Your "lawyer" told you wrong information:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2864/does-it-matter-if-you-sign-a-contract-with-a-name-thats-not-your-own

So Teinowitz's having signed the contract with whatever name he signed and manifested consent to its terms (by participating in the race) would probably be sufficient to bind him to the waiver

That doesn't sound like a firm answer to me.

4.5k · September 6, 2012

I appreciate your enthusiasm since tree climbing caches are a favorite of mine. However, i don't think i'd ever consider hiding one in my yard. I know i would never sue if i fell out of a tree on someone's property but there are others out there that would head straight to a lawyer if something went wrong. Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.

2.5k · September 6, 2012

So Teinowitz's having signed the contract with whatever name he signed and manifested consent to its terms (by participating in the race) would probably be sufficient to bind him to the waiver
That doesn't sound like a firm answer to me.

In the context of the rest of the article, it sounded pretty definitive to me. Reading the first paragraph, which is where I learned in grade school to put the main idea of my essay, one finds:

This one is easy. No. From the earliest of times courts have held that names don't matter. As a general rule you can agree to the terms of a contract using any character, symbol, figure, or other designation you adopt as a signature and be bound. You may also use a fictitious name, a firm name, or the name of another.

Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.

I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.

1.4k · September 6, 2012

So Teinowitz's having signed the contract with whatever name he signed and manifested consent to its terms (by participating in the race) would probably be sufficient to bind him to the waiver
That doesn't sound like a firm answer to me.
In the context of the rest of the article, it sounded pretty definitive to me. Reading the first paragraph, which is where I learned in grade school to put the main idea of my essay, one finds:
This one is easy. No. From the earliest of times courts have held that names don't matter. As a general rule you can agree to the terms of a contract using any character, symbol, figure, or other designation you adopt as a signature and be bound. You may also use a fictitious name, a firm name, or the name of another.

Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.
I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.

Drat! Foiled again :laughing:

I was just airing my skepticism of the link to one of the oodles and oodles of random "legal expert" sites. It actually makes sense what the article is saying.

September 6, 2012

I don't pretend to know anything about the law, but I do know I wouldn't want this cache on MY front lawn (if, you know, I had a house instead of an apartment). Glad you're enthusiastic. Hope it works out well for you!

8.4k · September 6, 2012

So Teinowitz's having signed the contract with whatever name he signed and manifested consent to its terms (by participating in the race) would probably be sufficient to bind him to the waiver
That doesn't sound like a firm answer to me.
In the context of the rest of the article, it sounded pretty definitive to me. Reading the first paragraph, which is where I learned in grade school to put the main idea of my essay, one finds:
This one is easy. No. From the earliest of times courts have held that names don't matter. As a general rule you can agree to the terms of a contract using any character, symbol, figure, or other designation you adopt as a signature and be bound. You may also use a fictitious name, a firm name, or the name of another.

Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.
I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.

Drat! Foiled again

I was just airing my skepticism of the link to one of the oodles and oodles of random "legal expert" sites. It actually makes sense what the article is saying.

In my defense, the guy isn't my lawyer. Just a lawyer friend of a friend and it was many years ago. I get the bit about making your mark, but that doesn't stop me from denying I ever signed the waiver. They better video tape it or it's up for dispute. And even then there are tricks that I know from 25 years of corporate security experience that would render a video tape inadmissable.

2.5k · September 6, 2012

Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.
I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.
Drat! Foiled again

I was just airing my skepticism of the link to one of the oodles and oodles of random "legal expert" sites. It actually makes sense what the article is saying.

After all that, in the interest of full disclosure, I might have a geocache hanging in a tree in my back yard...

But to say for sure might spoil the fun.

3.8k · September 6, 2012

I learned from a lawyer to never sign my real name to those waivers.

I usually sign as Mickey Mouse or some other fictional character. Mike Riddick is also a favorite. Most places don't check. It's a formality.

Got hit by back splatter at an indoor range. When I reported this, they defensively stated that I signed the waiver.

I told them I was just reporting it so they knew to clean their bullet traps before someone got hurt. I was even bleeding a little.

I pointed to my range ID and said I'll give you $100 if can find a waiver with my name on it. They were not amused when they checked my file an saw a cartoon mouse name. I signed the next waiver Mike Riddick (ummm not my name) and it's still on file. They just glanced at the m and r.

Your "lawyer" told you wrong information:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2864/does-it-matter-if-you-sign-a-contract-with-a-name-thats-not-your-own

I would have to disagree with that article, if only for the fact that it states it really doesn't matter what you put on the forms, if YOU put it there it's as good as your name. I can understand a different name, people have nicknames, middle names, even geonames. But it goes so far as to include symbols. I could argue that an X does not represent me, I merely used it to mark the spot I was supposed-but forgot-to sign. Or I could use the words "I do not agree to these terms and conditions" Plus the fact that if you did agree to a waiver it cannot always be held in court.

3.8k · September 6, 2012

Probably should add the story about a geocacher who had an ammocan go missing once or twice so he finally chained it to a tree. Next person who found it, found the tree cut down and the ammo can gone. Not sure if it's true, but i wouldn't put it past people to try it.

September 7, 2012

Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.
I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.
Drat! Foiled again

I was just airing my skepticism of the link to one of the oodles and oodles of random "legal expert" sites. It actually makes sense what the article is saying.

After all that, in the interest of full disclosure, I might have a geocache hanging in a tree in my back yard...

But to say for sure might spoil the fun.

I might now know exactly where your back yard is, in that case...

3.6k · September 7, 2012

Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.
I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.
Drat! Foiled again

I was just airing my skepticism of the link to one of the oodles and oodles of random "legal expert" sites. It actually makes sense what the article is saying.

After all that, in the interest of full disclosure, I might have a geocache hanging in a tree in my back yard...

But to say for sure might spoil the fun.

I might now know exactly where your back yard is, in that case...

Does it got a pool in the backyard so I can fall in? :laughing:

September 7, 2012

Also, and i'm not positive about this, i have a feeling that my insurance would hesitate to pay if they found that i intentionally invited people to climb up a tree in my yard.
I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.
Drat! Foiled again

I was just airing my skepticism of the link to one of the oodles and oodles of random "legal expert" sites. It actually makes sense what the article is saying.

After all that, in the interest of full disclosure, I might have a geocache hanging in a tree in my back yard...

But to say for sure might spoil the fun.

I might now know exactly where your back yard is, in that case...

Does it got a pool in the backyard so I can fall in?

If you're wanting to fall in on purpose, I'd have to say no...

September 8, 2012

Hmmmm, a cache in your front yard that solicits donations for your employer <_<

Can you say AGENDA. This never should have been published and should be immediately archived.

GC3W3YQ

7.8k · September 8, 2012

Hmmmm, a cache in your front yard that solicits donations for your employer

Can you say AGENDA. This never should have been published and should be immediately archived.

GC3W3YQ

As noble as the agenda is, it is still an agenda and not allowed on this site. I wonder if the listing was changed post-publication.

Here's the relevant guideline (Section 4-1):

Geocaches do not solicit for any purpose. Cache listings perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is intended to be an enjoyable, family-friendly hobby, not a platform for an agenda. Cache pages cannot require, and should not strongly encourage, the placement of new caches. This is considered an agenda and the listing will not be publishable.

BTW, "Recommended for tourists" ()?! I don't know many tourists that will have access to a ladder.

3.6k · September 8, 2012

Is it hooked on or tied on?

I know someone with extended pole who just loves ones he can knock off and throw back up again. Who knows where it will land next.

22k · September 8, 2012

Mwahaha. Is this too wrong?

No. For all the others like this I log a dnf and know what to bring next time.

6.1k · September 8, 2012

I stopped by last night with a ladder and just wanted to know the morning routine of the brunette, and was also wondering if you could pull the curtains open a little more..

2.4k · September 9, 2012

Is it cruel of you? No, but if you want to know what cruel is, just wait til cachers start finding it round the clock, and wait until the neighbors get tired of if.

1k · September 9, 2012

I hope you won't mind when I back my SUV over your lawn, up to the tree, and stand on the roof to reach the cache. I promise not to spin the tires too much when leaving

I've done that before (not on a lawn). It makes sense since the vehicle is already with you, so why not utilize it?

September 14, 2012

Tomorrow I plan to set my newest cache up for review.

It will be 15-20ft up in a tree in my front yard, which gives it a little challenge.

Here's the funny thing, until the FTF logs it, there will be no literal words in the description that says, "BRING A LADDER". The only thing mentioned is that there will be a LARGE cache prize for the FTF.

Now, there there. I am nice enough to include "Requires Tree Climbing" attribute, and a short blurb that says "May need equipment to retrieve". But for those eager beavers who race to find it, they will have to go back to get a ladder, missing their chance.

NOTE: The cache name will be something to the effect of "Here Kitty, Kitty."

Mwahaha. Is this too wrong?

HEY! This one is near my house! My geocaching partner is seven years old, so we won't be trying for your cache (as i am his mother. ) But I will enjoy reading the logs! Do you neighbors know about this?

How cruel am I?

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