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A discussion from this thread made me realize alot of things about clothing.

 

What is the must haves for winter or summer hiking as far as clothing goes?I'm always looking for good hunting clothing,as I do more walking while hunting than sitting,so I think a lot of it would crossover nicely from hiking to hunting.Wool is my standard winter clothing.It's a little heavy,but the keeps you warm when wet factor is a BIG plus out in the snow,plus the silence factor.As far as warmer weather goes,I thought cotton was ok until reading that thread.I'm reviewing my outdoor clothing arsenal.

 

Also,thanks to Totem Lake,I may have found a new hat. :D

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As far as warmer weather goes,I thought cotton was ok until reading that thread.I'm reviewing my outdoor clothing arsenal.

Same here. In fact, I have a hiking guide that only mentions cotton for inner layers. Now, I really only do short day hikes, winter and summer. Except for boots and some duck pants, I don't have much special clothing for hiking, so I almost always wear cotton. I do suffer some heel blisters and occasionally some chaffing, which I've always taken to be the toll of walking a lot. I do want to try some of the synthetic stuff now, though, and relieve even that bit of suffering.

 

Thanks for starting the thread.

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I love the hat, its straight out of Indiana Jones.

 

As far as socks go, get rid of your cotton socks and get smart wool socks. They are blend of lycra and wool and will eliminate any chafing or blisters. I've worn them in Nevada when the temps were in the high 90s with no problems. For hiking I have switched to boxers from synthetic materials, which also have elimnated any chafing.

 

I have two types of shirts, synthetic t-shirts for the summer and a synthetic "under armor" style shirt in the winter to wear under my wool sweater. Definitly leaves me more comfortable in cold wetaher when I break sweat I'm not cold and damp for more than a few minutes. You also may want to look at the long sleeve button down shirts. I've used them in places like Nevada where I tend to burn easily and sun block evaporates. They protect me from the sun and breathe so I don't over heat.

 

I have yet to find a pair of synthetic hiking pants I like and use 50/50 blend military fatigues.

 

If your looking for good prices try Campmor. They have good prices and their in house brand is a good buy.

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I can't speak for the hiking group, but I do enjoy going out in the woods for some late season hunting (January - 20's and below). I will walk until I find a good spot then sit until I get cold - repeat until I reach my goal or light runs out.

 

-20 is the coldest I have ever made it and that was for about 3 hours, my hands were so cold I could not make a fist.

 

I do not have anything fancy just what I have found that keeps me comfortable and able to function at a minimal cost and has multipurpose function. I guess my mother thinks I'm a big guy, she has always got me clothing that is about 2-3 sizes too big - mmmmm Woolrich.

 

Head - ear muffs, scarf, polar fleece cap.

 

Upper torso - thermax undies, synthetic shirt, heavy button shirt, thermax insulated coat liner, synthetic insulated waist length coat.

 

Lower torso - thermax undies, polar fleece pants, military style pants (ripstop, many pockets).

 

Feet - felt pack style knee high boots, 2 pairs of socks - wool/synthetic.

 

Hands - wool/synthetic blend mitten/glove combo, huge mittens (to go over aforementioned gloves), polar fleece hand warmer.

 

2 polar fleece blankets to cover up when things get really bad.

 

2 pocket hand warmers (charcoal sticks) - fire them up before I start out - move them around as needed.

 

If it is going to be really cold I will throw on the insulated coveralls (over everything) then the coat.

 

Main point - layers and more layers, plan for the worst and know your limitations. If you get wet, you are screwed. Open the layers up as you are moving around, you will sweat and you don't want to keep that trapped in. Once you are cold and cant get warm it may be too late, so plan accordingly.

 

I know there is better "stuff" out there but I manage with my outfit without any problems, although I end up looking like the Staypuff Marshmallow Man. I know the area I will be venturing into and have a route of travel in my mind. I only got jammed up once but I was close enough to the car to make it back without any problems.

 

Chapstick all over the nose, lips, cheeks keeps the frost and wind burn at bay.

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My suggestions are specifically for hot-weather wear. I generally wear the same stuff in "cold" weather, but in my area, "cold" is anything below 50 degrees F.

 

(1) 5.11 tactical pants in nylon canvas. These are similar in construction to BDU pants, but the nylon canvas fabric is tough and fast-drying.

 

(2) Synthetic-fabric undershorts, like REI mesh briefs. I've heard that boxers are cooler, but I'm not a boxer-shorts guy, so that's the end of the discussion.

 

(3) Generic, cheaper-the-better, 50/50 poly-cotton T-shirts. Tried Smartwool shirts and wanted to like them, but bushwhacking is tough on them. Ditto for Mountain Hardware synthetic shirts. I can't bear to destroy a $40-$50 shirt just because I snagged it on an ocotillo or catclaw bush.

 

(4) Smartwool socks. End of story. Anything else is inferior, the only question is how much so.

 

(5) Danner TFX Desert Eagle combat boots. They wear out quickly, at least for me, but they're great while they last.

 

(6) Ball cap with neck cape, like in the Foreign Legion movies. Royal Robbins and Ex Officio make decent models. These protect your neck and ears from the sun, and can be thrown in the wash after every hike, and thrown in the trash without tears when they're done.

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Also,thanks to Totem Lake,I may have found a new hat. :)

TotemLake has more than a few enemies; it may not be in your best interest to wear this hat in some places.

 

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Hush now. I can't create decoys if you let that out. :):)

:):)

 

I'm pretty sure no one's going to bother me....

Right..?RIGHT???

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As far as socks go, get rid of your cotton socks and get smart wool socks. They are blend of lycra and wool and will eliminate any chafing or blisters. I've worn them in Nevada when the temps were in the high 90s with no problems.

I can't believe how many folks swear by wool socks in the winter.But honestly I got thinking about how sweaty and soaked my feet bget in my cotton socks,and that wool dosen't absorb water,and it makes a alot of sense.

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I can't speak for the hiking group, but I do enjoy going out in the woods for some late season hunting (January - 20's and below). I will walk until I find a good spot then sit until I get cold - repeat until I reach my goal or light runs out.

-20 is the coldest I have ever made it and that was for about 3 hours, my hands were so cold I could not make a fist.

 

I do not have anything fancy just what I have found that keeps me comfortable and able to function at a minimal cost and has multipurpose function. I guess my mother thinks I'm a big guy, she has always got me clothing that is about 2-3 sizes too big - mmmmm Woolrich.

 

Head - ear muffs, scarf, polar fleece cap.

 

Upper torso - thermax undies, synthetic shirt, heavy button shirt, thermax insulated coat liner, synthetic insulated waist length coat.

 

Lower torso - thermax undies, polar fleece pants, military style pants (ripstop, many pockets).

 

Feet - felt pack style knee high boots, 2 pairs of socks - wool/synthetic.

 

Hands - wool/synthetic blend mitten/glove combo, huge mittens (to go over aforementioned gloves), polar fleece hand warmer.

 

2 polar fleece blankets to cover up when things get really bad.

 

2 pocket hand warmers (charcoal sticks) - fire them up before I start out - move them around as needed.

 

If it is going to be really cold I will throw on the insulated coveralls (over everything) then the coat.

 

Main point - layers and more layers, plan for the worst and know your limitations. If you get wet, you are screwed. Open the layers up as you are moving around, you will sweat and you don't want to keep that trapped in. Once you are cold and cant get warm it may be too late, so plan accordingly.

 

I know there is better "stuff" out there but I manage with my outfit without any problems, although I end up looking like the Staypuff Marshmallow Man. I know the area I will be venturing into and have a route of travel in my mind. I only got jammed up once but I was close enough to the car to make it back without any problems.

 

Chapstick all over the nose, lips, cheeks keeps the frost and wind burn at bay.

I do that sometimes as well.I like just straight still hunting better.

 

Yeah,I think we all got told layers is the way to go.If I'll be hunting in some rugged terrain,I'll usually make the hike in a Pendelton wool shirt(Expensive but WELL worth the warmth for weight IMO) and wool trousers,with my wool jaket strapped to my pack.Then I'll throw it on once I get where I'm going.I've not too much experience with synthetic clothing,other than it burns easier(You find these things out quickly when welding) than natural materials.

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For summer it's usually nylon cargo shorts or nylon hiking pants, Smartwool socks, polypro briefs and a short sleeved polypro shirt.

 

I keep a Marmot Precip rain jacket in the pack along with a windblock fleece vest and a lined, North Face windbreaker that folds into its own pocket.

 

In the winter it's long polypro underwear and either thin fleece pants under my nylon hiking pants, or a pair of thick wool Aussie army pants. Up top it's long sleeve polypro shirt, a thin fleece shirt, a thicker fleece shirt, a windblock fleece vest and a windblock fleece jacket. If it's real cold I also wear a Gore Tex shell parka. Expedition weight Smartwools go on the feet.

 

I keep a fleece neck gaiter, fleece balaclava and a down vest in my pack along with a thick fleece pullover and my Marmot Precip rain jacket.

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I was hiking last week in 90-100 degree heat. For the first time, I ditched the t-shirt and shorts in favor of synthetic long-sleeved shirt and pants. I was amazed at the difference. It was actually cooler than the t-shirt and shorts, and I think it's because I didn't have sweaty clothing clinging to me. I'm a convert in hot weather, as well as cold.

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A hiking friend of mine introduced me to Smartwool socks, nylon pants, and 50/50 cotton/nylon t-shirts. I haven't looked back since.

 

Oh, and I love my cotton/duck Tilly hat! It's had the heck beat out of it and I just toss it in the washing machine and it comes out looking just like brand new. I can wad it up and cram it into my pack in the worst possible way and it shakes out to look just the same as always.

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I got some wool blend socks at Target that were less than half the price of the Smart Wool socks. They are holding up just as well as my Smart Wool socks are. I believe they are "Champion" brand.

 

Also, check Sierra Trading Post. They have some of the Smart Wool socks at discount.

 

I just got a really great pair of Columbia hiking pants there for a total cost of only $12.00 during one of their "Free Shipping" deals. :P

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In the last year I have changed my hiking clothes considerably. In warm weather I usually wear an Under Armor style t-shirt, with the cool, wicking fabric, and a pair of Guide Gear pants with zip off legs made out of swimsuit like material. They are both really lightweight, wick the sweat away from you and dry quickly if you get them wet, which is great for rinsing them out at camp. I also love Columbia's lightwieght hiking pants and their button up shirts with all of the pockets.

 

I also use Smartwool socks year round and my brother-in-law recently convinced me to start using liners, and now that is the only way I hike. He showed me another trick that I am sure most of you already know, but just in case, if you will fold your outer sock down over the tops of your boots it will help keep the laces tied plus it creates a chimney effect, which keeps your feet cooler. I thought it was silly the first time I did it, but I did notice a difference, so that is how I hike now. I also carry extra socks and liners so I can change them out if my feet start to bother me. It is amazing how cool and fresh a new pair of socks can make you feel after a long day on the trail.

 

In winter, I go with silk long underwear top and bottom, wool pants, under armor heat gear top, and then my jacket and liner.

 

In the summer, I usually opt for a doo-rag and/or my old leather hat. In winter or rainy conditions I like my Outdoor Research Seattle Sombrero and/ or an old military surplus balaclava.

 

I picked up some of the champion brand wool/poly blend socks at Wal-mart last week that I look forward to trying out. The seem to be very similar to my smartwool socks and a pack of six cost less than one pair of Smartwool.

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He showed me another trick that I am sure most of you already know, but just in case, if you will fold your outer sock down over the tops of your boots it will help keep the laces tied plus it creates a chimney effect, which keeps your feet cooler. I thought it was silly the first time I did it, but I did notice a difference, so that is how I hike now.

I tried this the first time the other day when I was wearing super high boot socks.I noticed a difference as well.Then again in 120 degrees does it really? :P

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Well, I found a problem with rolling down the sock tops this weekend. It was a dumb mistake, but I figured I would pass it on anyway. If you are wearing awesome socks that are specially designed to wick water away, well, they will also wick water in. This weekend, I was crossing a stream on the way into Bradley's Bottom, which was not very deep, so I just picked my way across some submerged rocks. I know about how tall my boots are, so I was not worried about going in too deep, but what I did not count on was that when those sock tops touched the water (I dunked them about an inch) they would wick the water right out of that stream and into my boots. I know it was a dumb mistake, that i will not repeat, but I just thought I would pass it along, if you roll your sock tops down, be sure to roll them back up before a stream crossing.

 

The experience made me consider getting a pair of gaiters, but I have never used them, so I am not sure. Anyone out there love/hate them?

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Well, I found a problem with rolling down the sock tops this weekend. It was a dumb mistake, but I figured I would pass it on anyway. If you are wearing awesome socks that are specially designed to wick water away, well, they will also wick water in. This weekend, I was crossing a stream on the way into Bradley's Bottom, which was not very deep, so I just picked my way across some submerged rocks. I know about how tall my boots are, so I was not worried about going in too deep, but what I did not count on was that when those sock tops touched the water (I dunked them about an inch) they would wick the water right out of that stream and into my boots. I know it was a dumb mistake, that i will not repeat, but I just thought I would pass it along, if you roll your sock tops down, be sure to roll them back up before a stream crossing.

 

The experience made me consider getting a pair of gaiters, but I have never used them, so I am not sure. Anyone out there love/hate them?

 

Love them.

 

I have winter OR gaiters that might look something like this and find them very useful in the rain and snow... what I would like most now is a pair of desert gaiters. Those aren't going to work for the example you've sighted as they're not water proof, but they have some shorter gaiters that might do the trick.

 

 

michelle

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Gaiters are a great year round item. I have a pair similar to the desert gaiters, they keep out mud, dirt, and I tuck my pants into them to keep ticks off my legs. I've even had some brief submersions and they have kept my feet dry.

 

Especially useful if you hike in the desert, keeps burrs and thorns from working their way into your socks and boots.

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I see gaiters as being useful for when I'm still hunting in boot top to mid calf deep snow.I've been wanting to get a pair,as it's always an unwelcome surprise to get snow in the tops of your boots,and keeps the frozen water from melted snow off my wool trousers.I like the ones Michelle posted a link to.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Cool Max sox. In this hot humid climate that's all I wear. UltraMax and Ingenius brand.

Nylon convertible pants, year round. Synthetic tops in summer. Just about anything in winter.

I sadly discovered that the assorted silicone sealers don't work well on boots in Florida. Evidently it's just too hot for the sealer to seal. I've had any number of waterproof boots. They work for a while and then they fail. I wear all terrain trail running shoes a lot and don't even worry about keeping my feet dry - it ain't gonna happen anyway.

 

Gaiters are a great. Many many years ago I bought my first pair when we were winter packing in Colorado. Useful year round everywhere I've lived.

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I wear a huge variety of things depending on the conditions. I actually don't like smartwool socks much, except when it's cold and I need more insulation. My feet are warm and sweaty, and I live in a humid climate. Wool DOES retain some moisture (though not as much as cotton), and even expensive merino wool just gets soggy and clammy on my feet. For warmer weather, I wear fairly thin synthetic (coolmax or whatever else I've got) socks. Cycling socks work well. I actually get worse blisters wearing wool socks (even thin ones) than I do when wearing comparable thickness cotton socks. How's that work? I have no idea.

 

I have a variety of footwear from Chaco sandals (LOVE them in the summertime), light trail shoes (Merrell Stretch Chameleon), light boots (Vasque Breeze XCR), and one-piece full-grain leather w/gtx boots (Asolo TPS 520 GTX). During the warmer months, I wear either the chacos or the Merrells. If either gets wet, they dry faster. When it's cool out, but I'm still hiking on trail, I wear the Vasques. The gore tex keeps the cold rain or dew off my feet, and the mesh/fabric construction helps keep my feet from overheating. The Asolos I use for bushwhacking and winter use down to about 0F. They're fine for shorter periods colder than that, but it doesn't typically get colder than that here.

 

For pants, I've also had a hard time finding some I like. The closest I've come are military BDU's and a pair of Columbias. The Columbias are far less durable, but they dry very quickly. I would like to find some BDU's like I have, except in solid colors rather than camo prints.

 

For underwear, I tend to prefer synthetic boxers. I recently got a pair of Smartwool boxers, and while they're REALLY comfy, they aren't very durable at all. For the price, there's no way I'm buying something like those that are essentially disposable. I have both synthetic and merino wool long underwear. Both do the job well, but the smartwool stuff feels better against the skin and doesn't smell as bad. Same issue with durability as the smartwool undies. I don't wear these as much, though, so it's not AS big of a deal...but the synthetic stuff is still more durable and cheaper.

 

For shirts, basic synthetic t's are nice and comfy, but they pill badly and snag easily. The pilling happens first where my pack contacts my body (shoulders, chest, and waist). The snagging happens everywhere else. I'm trying to limit my use of these shirts anymore to cool temp undershirts. My new favorite shirt is a Mountain Hardwear Canyon shirt. It's long sleeve, but the sleeves roll up to make it a short sleeved shirt (sort of like a convertible shirt). The fabric is a much tighter weave, so it doesn't have the snagging and pilling problems as the basic syn t's. I also like the mesh vents across the back and in the armpit regions.

 

My usual hat is a leather aussie style hat from the Australian Oilskin Co. It's a little sweaty when it's hot out, but it's more versatile than any other hat I've owned. I treat it with nikwax leather waterproofer and it repels water just as well (if not better than) a gore tex hat, and the material does not degrade in the sun like cotton or synthetics. Previous hats I've owned have fallen apart due to UV damage over the course of just a couple years. I also own a few different Buffs (www.buffusa.com). I have two basic synthetic ones, and one winter Buff. These things are awesome. In the aforementioned hot, sweaty conditions, a Buff under my hat mitigates sweat issues. I can also use the basic ones for light insulation when it's just starting to get cold. I also have a winter Buff that has polartec fleece on it that works well as a neck gaiter/balaclava. Additionally, I have a gore windstopper beanie hat that has proven itself comfy at -20F.

 

For insulation, I have a variety of fleece jackets and vests. I don't wear the jackets much, to be honest. My fleece vests are MUCH more versatile, especially the 100wt vest. I have a primaloft synthetic fill insulation jacket with a light water repellent finish (works well in a drizzle, but not much more than that) that has pretty much replaced all of my heavy fleece jackets.

 

For waterproofs, I have a Marmot Precip jacket and Mountain Hardwear Epic pants. I've worn these the past two days, actually. For wintertime, I have a Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero SL down fill jacket. I don't wear it much in Pittsburgh, but when I lived in Michigan and it got COLD, I wore it often. It has kept me very comfortable at -20F for extended periods.

 

I like a nice pair of windstopper gloves for cool temperatures, and I have a pair of gore tex winter gloves that I can layer over them when it gets very cold.

 

I also own two pairs of gaiters so far. I have the Mountain Hardwear Ventigaiter that works well keeping rocks and sticks out of my boots and helps me avoid sharp vegetation. They are not even remotely water resistant, so that limits their use. My go-to gaiters tend to be my Schoeller Extreme softshell gaiters. These are low gaiters, so they really only cover my ankles...but they work great for keeping my pants dry when walking through wet fields, and they can even survive a quick dunking in a stream if I misplace my foot. They also help out against ticks. The ventigaiters don't really do much against ticks, though, because the little buggers can get through the mesh vents.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Cool Max sox. In this hot humid climate that's all I wear. UltraMax and Ingenius brand.

 

I tried Ultimax socks and really didn't care for them. I find them a lot more clammy feeling than Smartwool.

 

When Smartwool first came out, I tried them and ended up with that clammy-feet thing... I tried them again, oh, four or five years ago and they're much better than they used to be. I don't know if it's b/c the socks have been improved or if my 'cold' issues are worse. I suspect the former and have confirmed the latter.

 

I have worn them almost exclusively since then, which also includes living in the south (re: the hot/humid note from above). I guess the only time I don't wear them is when I'm wearing sandals... which I hope is SOON. This rain is b.s.

 

 

michelle

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Wow, what a difference!

 

Budget permitting we've been getting bits and pieces of clothing listed here and yesterday's purchase was a pair of serious socks for each of us.

 

Ohhhhhh! BLISS! My feet were snugly encased in these things that felt soft and cushy, but at the same time very solid and sturdy, feet didn't get sweaty, no aching... ohhh, why didn't I do this before!

 

Expensive? Oh heck yeah, roughly 20 bucks a pair, but cheap for Swedish standards.

 

Got hubby a special shirt made for exercising/hiking/outdoor wear that is synthetic and lycra and especially made to help keep you cool. Got a good idea of just how good it was when we got home and his back was totally dry and the baby who rides in a patapum carrier against his back was still wet on the front of her cotton/poly mix shirt.

 

Money well spent, will be adding to our "wardrobe" asap! Thanks for the educational thread!

 

Now... if only I could afford the 200 bucks that hiking boots start at here!

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I'm bored here at work so I will ramble on a bit about clothing:) Clothing is a pretty big area of personal preference when it comes to specifics but I think there are certain generalities that are worth mentioning..

 

In my opinion, the type of clothing you wear only really begins to matter on long day hikes where you might encounter severe climate changes based on elevation or time of day. The less certain you are likely to be about the weather - the more the clothing choices matter.

 

Socks. There are many many possibilities- I like mine with high % of merino wool and some synthetic (like 10%). Smart wool seems to be very popular, but also check out Darn Tough (Cabot), Bridgedale and even Columbia.

 

If the 'clammy' feeling bothers you, try wearing a pair of light wicking liners below the socks. (It also helps with keeping the socks cleaner - and it is easier to clean and dry the liners than full socks).

 

Hats. Huge matter of personal preference- but I wear a 'Coolcap' a baseball cap style hat from Lowe Alpine and a MountainHardwear Epic Rainhat (again no cotton). The important thing for me is ventilation and quick drying.

 

I tend to hike in shorts - and not to wear underwear.. (for almost the full 3 seasons)- both liberate me;)

 

Dunno, the usual layers of synthetics and fleece... and outerlayers...

 

For me, the key is really keeping my feet and head warm and dry..

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I tend to hike in shorts - and not to wear underwear.. (for almost the full 3 seasons)- both liberate me;)

 

Hmmmmmm! Hiking commando style :) , that is a little bit too much information! :)

 

Don't knock it until you try it. It is one way to solve the chafing issue.

 

Chaving and thermoregulation issues for me... oh and ultralighters will be happy with the extra .7oz they save on undies;)

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