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I give most of my TBs specific mission and include a laminated bug sheet with the TB inside a ziplock bag. Am I the only one tha gets upset when a fellow cacher ignores its mission and takes it where he/she wants? It just kills me when this is done.

 

Check THIS TB as an example.

 

Maybe I take it too serious, but I ALWAYS try to help the tb with its mission or I just pass it up.

 

What about everyone else?

Ron

The Justice League of NM

Albuquerque, NM

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Well, it seems as the cacher will take it back west after logging it in buffalo.

Personally, I'd like the idea, bringing TB Buffalo a short stop at Buffalo, before taking it back to the desired heading.

And, It's been at 2 caches (not that many) on it's way, I'd expect it to travel for some time anyway.

 

Me, I think you'r overreacting.

But, take into consideration that I'm a newbee... :laughing:

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I think you are overreacting.

 

The first guy to find it is not going to be the guy who drops it in one of the caches you have listed that the TB wants to visit.

 

The TB is going to move around slowly, hopefully in the direction you want it to go.

 

Enjoy watching it move, don't worry if each move doesn't put it where you want or closer even. It will egt there.

 

The fun is in the journey, not the destination.

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I give most of my TBs specific mission and include a laminated bug sheet with the TB inside a ziplock bag.

 

G'day

 

I didn't look at your example, rather I am making my comments in respect to the above quote. Anyway I also find it frustrating if it is a blantant disregard of the objectives particulary when I ensure those objectives are attached to the coin or bug and are pretty straight forward. At the end of the day it ain't rocket science and to me it just smacks of rudeness to either not take on board the objectives or at least acknowledge them and say hey I am moving this trackable on to xyz cache because I couldn't meet the objectives. That I could live with and understand and appreciate. Just moving it incorrectly without consideration doesn't fit well with me.

 

To illustrate what I find questionable. I currently have a bug which I picked up about a week ago (not one of mine) which wants to travel around the US. This is a simple straight forward objective stated on the card attached to the bug. This objective appears to have been ignored with the bug being taken out the US and dropped into a cache here in Australia. There is nothing on the bug page to suggest that this was okay. I have indicated that I will get it back to the US via a Stargate and the owner has not responded saying no.

 

To me this example just makes me wonder about some people. Maybe this stuff is rocket science after all.

 

My five cents worth

Andrew

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Following a goal is always good and adds to the TB travels to see that goal getting closer. Personally we just like to see them continuing to move and not get hoarded or muggled along their journey. Agreed then the goal is really specific and has a target date set against it, then yes it can be frustrating to see your TB heading anywhere except where you want it to go.

 

Sue

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I don't mind Travelers having missions and I usually try to accomodate them as best I can. On the other hand making the TB's mission a near requirement for grabbing and expecting the mission to be strictly followed is, in my opinion, a little unrealistic considering the logistics of the activity.

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To want your TB to visit specific caches might be a little unrealistic...

 

Why's that?

 

Because some people don't follow directions even if they were smart enough to have read them? :mad::)

 

Considering the interactions I've had with some people concerning the movement of bugs, yes, you are correct.

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I have a travel bug that I'd like to get to Paris (france) but if it goes to Paris,Texas first that's cool, and by the way, if it goes to Sydney Australia as well, all the better. I am not able to travel, and I simply marvel at the amazing photos and adventures that cachers give to my TB's. So, if your TB doesn't make it to your designated goal by the most direct route, rejoice in the journey.

 

Happiness is not a destination, it is the road on which we travel.......

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Taking it too seriously? Definitely. And unrealistic as well.

Surprisingly, I had some great luck with two TBs. I sent my brother in Seattle his lost bird, and it arrived three months later (over two thousand miles.) And the Furby that I sent to my sister in Maine arrived (after detouring to Tennessee) in just less than a year!

I do watch some TBs, and feel sorry for their misadventures. One that wanted to go from Italy to Great Britain surfaced here in New Jersey. It has made its way back to Great Britain finally. One that wanted to go to Vermont is in Germany. One wanted to travel around Ireland. When it finally arrived in Ireland, the next cacher took it to England. My brother took a bug to Australia (its goal). The next finder took it to Michigan. I picked up a bug in Pennsylania that wanted to go to a certin cache in Massachusetts. I dropped it in a cache about thirty miles from its destination. It then spent two years wandering around New Hampshire and Maine, and has finally returned to Massachusetts.

Yes. You're taking it too seriously. Most people do not pay much attention to TB goals. They just move them (if you're lucky).

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Taking it too seriously? Definitely.

 

Well I guess I would have to disagree with you on that one ... nothing wrong in my opinion wanting ones trackable to achive its goals .... sort of seems logical given one has given it a goal! So if that makes me taking "it too seriously" then so be it. Rather take "it too seriously" than be a ..... and do the wrong thing by someone else. Enough of that around alreay without adding to it.

 

As to your comment about most cachers ... that seams defeatist ... makes one wonder why we have laws too ... some people break them ...

 

Personally I would rather hope most folks are just a touch more considerate and do consider a trackables goal ... and overall my experience is pretty much just that.

 

Cheers

Andrew

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A TB is placed in NM wanting to go to Yellowstone in WY. Ok here we go...

 

First person that picks it up takes it to NV, Ok not really on course, but it is heading north. Now the team "theBrown7" takes it to...NEW YORK???

 

Now the "Justice League of NM" says “my TBs specific mission and include a laminated bug sheet with the TB inside a ziplock bag” which I presume states the goal. So why take it to NEW YORK???

 

“Thorminator” says “Well, it seems as the cacher will take it back west after logging it in buffalo”…clearly from the logs he did not do this and if he could not he should not have picked it up in the first place.

 

“ICHTHYS” says “I think you are overreacting. The first guy to find it is not going to be the guy who drops it in one of the caches you have listed that the TB wants to visit.”…why is he overreacting, if you can’t complete the goal don’t pick up the TB.

 

“Indotguy“ says “On the other hand making the TB's mission a near requirement for grabbing and expecting the mission to be strictly followed is, in my opinion, a little unrealistic considering the logistics of the activity.”…how is not wanting a TB to be brought to NEW YORK when it starts in NM and wants to go to WY being strict??? A geography lesson needed here?

 

“usyoopers” says “To want your TB to visit specific caches might be a little unrealistic...I would just be happy to see mine travel”…here is the goal" The goal states “This big guy would love to visit caches and places in and out of the greater Yellowstone Area. Here are a few specific areas he would like to visit.” This goal does not limit the TB to specific caches, but it is clear that it wants to go to the YELLOWSTONE area.

 

“q22q17” says “Happiness is not a destination, it is the road on which we travel....…”…so what is the use of a GOAL I need to ask???

 

“Harry Dolphin” says “Taking it too seriously? Definitely. And unrealistic as well…Yes, You're taking it too seriously. Most people do not pay much attention to TB goals. They just move them (if you're lucky).”…This is not too serious or unrealistic. Why shouldn’t someone expect a goal to be followed???

 

These forum comments never cease to amaze me. If you can’t help a TB along the way…LEAVE IT! If you pick it up by mistake realizing you can’t fulfill it’s goal PUT IT BACK WHERE YOU FOUND IT or as close as you can. You can also ask it’s owner what they want. “Couldn't resist bringing a Buffalo to see Buffalo, NY before heading him back out west.”…he could not resist taking it???

 

It is a very simple concept…RESPECT OF OTHERS! If they ask something, then respect it their wishes. If you don’t then this is nothing more than disrespect. You may not like the simplicity of this, but it is the truth.

 

Good day to you sir :anitongue: ,

 

Gene of GOnTO

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Just visited that TB page. Latest person says they are taking it to Canada now... That really would annoy me!

I'm about to release my first TB with such a specific goal. I think i'm going to amend the tag to include the DON'T TAKE THIS IF YOU'RE STUPID guide to TBs

 

Remember the terms of use of this site, show respect for your fellow cacher. Calling people stupid before they even touch your bug does not show respect, nor does it help your bug move. A message like that would most likely turn people off. I would rather see my travel bug get to a goal flying in a butterfly pattern, than not move at all.

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Just visited that TB page. Latest person says they are taking it to Canada now... That really would annoy me!

I'm about to release my first TB with such a specific goal. I think i'm going to amend the tag to include the DON'T TAKE THIS IF YOU'RE STUPID guide to TBs

 

But the latest person is moving it the right way. Ontario is between Buffalo and Yellowstone. And he picked it up from an event so it didn't get lost.

 

I agree that moving a bug away from its goal is not cool but once it is moved away sometimes a small detour can be the quickest way home.

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When I picked up my first TB there was no indication included with it as to its mission. I was on a road trip and would not have changed directions just to accomodate a TB. I did have a wireless laptop in the truck as was able to determine the mission and fortunately it fell into the trip I was on.

 

Somone may grab a TB and not know its mission for a while. Once they determine the mission they may have to say oops and do the best place they can.

 

If, as in your case, the mission is attached to the TB then as long as it makes it in the general direction then you are good shape. Anyway, don't overreact.

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You should just be glad it's moving. Sometimes the best route to a place is not in a straight line. You see, it's a bug. If you have ever watched a bug fly, or even crawl, they never go straight.

 

Eartha is wise. :cry: Were I in Eartha's shoe's I'd just be mean spirited and snarky. :cry: To keep from being mean spirited and snarky, I've invented this refrain: NEVER give a geocacher a horse. :cry:

 

Great wisdom from a master TB finder:

 

"It's a web of life, in my opinion, and absolutely any movement is the next step in reaching it's goal. That weird side trip to Florida, may be the next step to Canada. And a side trip may have saved it from going MIA by pilferage in Pennsylvania."

 

That was bthomas on the subject of TB movement on 10/27/2003.

 

Think about this. IF your bug makes it to its goal, (most don't) it's BECAUSE the same people you are complaining about moved it, in the first place, setting off the chain of events to lead it to its goal. :huh::laughing:

 

People who read my posts in this forum are probably tired of hearing me say that many TB owner's suffer from unrealistic expectation. Heck, even some of the established guidelines are a teensy bit unrealistic with regard to TB movement.

 

A TB is just a thing that has been cast out into the geocaching continuum to make it's way on its own. Hope for the best and expect the worst. :cry:

 

I'd be happy to take your TB directly to Yellowstone N.P. if you would give your TB an unlimited expense account that I can access at will to escort it there. :cry:

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A TB is placed in NM wanting to go to Yellowstone in WY. Ok here we go...

 

First person that picks it up takes it to NV, Ok not really on course, but it is heading north. Now the team "theBrown7" takes it to...NEW YORK???

 

Now the "Justice League of NM" says “my TBs specific mission and include a laminated bug sheet with the TB inside a ziplock bag” which I presume states the goal. So why take it to NEW YORK???

 

“Thorminator” says “Well, it seems as the cacher will take it back west after logging it in buffalo”…clearly from the logs he did not do this and if he could not he should not have picked it up in the first place.

 

“ICHTHYS” says “I think you are overreacting. The first guy to find it is not going to be the guy who drops it in one of the caches you have listed that the TB wants to visit.”…why is he overreacting, if you can’t complete the goal don’t pick up the TB.

 

“Indotguy“ says “On the other hand making the TB's mission a near requirement for grabbing and expecting the mission to be strictly followed is, in my opinion, a little unrealistic considering the logistics of the activity.”…how is not wanting a TB to be brought to NEW YORK when it starts in NM and wants to go to WY being strict??? A geography lesson needed here?

 

“usyoopers” says “To want your TB to visit specific caches might be a little unrealistic...I would just be happy to see mine travel”…here is the goal" The goal states “This big guy would love to visit caches and places in and out of the greater Yellowstone Area. Here are a few specific areas he would like to visit.” This goal does not limit the TB to specific caches, but it is clear that it wants to go to the YELLOWSTONE area.

 

“q22q17” says “Happiness is not a destination, it is the road on which we travel....…”…so what is the use of a GOAL I need to ask???

 

“Harry Dolphin” says “Taking it too seriously? Definitely. And unrealistic as well…Yes, You're taking it too seriously. Most people do not pay much attention to TB goals. They just move them (if you're lucky).”…This is not too serious or unrealistic. Why shouldn’t someone expect a goal to be followed???

 

These forum comments never cease to amaze me. If you can’t help a TB along the way…LEAVE IT! If you pick it up by mistake realizing you can’t fulfill it’s goal PUT IT BACK WHERE YOU FOUND IT or as close as you can. You can also ask it’s owner what they want. “Couldn't resist bringing a Buffalo to see Buffalo, NY before heading him back out west.”…he could not resist taking it???

 

It is a very simple concept…RESPECT OF OTHERS! If they ask something, then respect it their wishes. If you don’t then this is nothing more than disrespect. You may not like the simplicity of this, but it is the truth.

 

Good day to you sir :laughing: ,

 

Gene of GOnTO

 

Ahh, what a wonderful world it would be were life (or Geocaching) so simple! But, alas it is not and the truth is a good percentage of regular TBs which are grabbed from caches never get logged or moved to another cache. Right or wrong, good or bad, that is just the way things are. I don't see anything wrong with setting goals for your TB. Just don't be too suprised when it ends up a 1000 miles off course.

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Am I the only one tha gets upset when a fellow cacher ignores its mission and takes it where he/she wants? It just kills me when this is done.

Ron

The Justice League of NM

Albuquerque, NM

 

Okay, okay... which bug did I take this time? :laughing::huh::cry::cry:

 

Hi, my name is Joefrog and I'm a travelbug addict!

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Ahh, what a wonderful world it would be were life (or Geocaching) so simple! But, alas it is not and the truth is a good percentage of regular TBs which are grabbed from caches never get logged or moved to another cache. Right or wrong, good or bad, that is just the way things are. I don't see anything wrong with setting goals for your TB. Just don't be too suprised when it ends up a 1000 miles off course.

 

Thank you. You worded that better than I did. What I was trying to say that experience has taught me that not everyone has the bug's best interest at heart when they pick it up. That's just the way it is. To expect otherwise is being unrealistic.

As someone else said: an indirect route sometimes works better. My tb going from New Jerey to Maine took a detour to Tennesee. A kindly cacher there took it to New Hampshire! A geocoin that I found in New Jersey, that wanted to go to the Czech Republic, went to Seattle, where someone dropped it in Germany. It hasn't made it to the Czech Republic yet, but it seems to be having fun in Germany.

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This kind of thing happens to me every now and then. I remember my first TB (currently on a mission to Australia), with which I made arrangements with another cacher to take it with them on their trip to Hawaii. They placed it in a cache there and a little over a week later, another cacher picked it up and posted in their log "Will move closer to the Land Down Under". But then they bring it back to Washington, where it it's journey just started!

 

But I guess I shouldn't be complaining either, as my TB did eventually make it to Australia :laughing:

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G'day

 

Picked up this coin today (and will move it as per its objectives) but did notice this log at http://www.geocaching.com/track/log.aspx?L...72-58f32f3f0f53 . Well done to NN5DX and the other cachers who saw this coin but didn't take it because they couldn't comply with its objectives.

 

It just shows that the right thing can be done if one wants to do it.

 

Cheers

Andrew

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My TOP SECRET (TBJ57N) Travel Bug has a clearly stated goal to reach Team Shpadoinkle in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Early on it was making terrific progress from southern California through much of the mid-west. Soon enough it made it to Albuquerque; unfortunately, before Team Shpadoinkle could intercept this TB it very quickly found its way very far away... After many months of geo-travel, this bug missed completing its goal by less than an hour because well-intentioned geocachers simply failed to read the goal and decided to move it 180 miles east to Tucumcari! The very next finder took it to Montana... :unsure: Ever since then we have been watching its journey, hopeful that it will eventually complete its mission yet also enjoying the circuitous adventure.

 

Some folks are particularly aware of TB goals and will go out of their way to help, others simply couldn't care less. Just read through this TB's logs and you will see how very differently we all play the game! Of particular note is the posting on 3/17/2006 and the subsequent contrary (not to mention significantly belated!) behavior...

 

:blink:

 

The Justice League of NM may find this TB interesting, not only because its goal is Albuquerque, but also because the very first geocache it visited was Batman's BatCave (GC8413).

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Just visited that TB page. Latest person says they are taking it to Canada now... That really would annoy me!

I'm about to release my first TB with such a specific goal. I think i'm going to amend the tag to include the DON'T TAKE THIS IF YOU'RE STUPID guide to TBs

 

Remember the terms of use of this site, show respect for your fellow cacher. Calling people stupid before they even touch your bug does not show respect, nor does it help your bug move. A message like that would most likely turn people off. I would rather see my travel bug get to a goal flying in a butterfly pattern, than not move at all.

 

Indeed I didn't mean that i'd use this exact wording, but something to the effect of only move if you have every intention of helping its goal!

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Just visited that TB page. Latest person says they are taking it to Canada now... That really would annoy me!

I'm about to release my first TB with such a specific goal. I think i'm going to amend the tag to include the DON'T TAKE THIS IF YOU'RE STUPID guide to TBs

 

Remember the terms of use of this site, show respect for your fellow cacher. Calling people stupid before they even touch your bug does not show respect, nor does it help your bug move. A message like that would most likely turn people off. I would rather see my travel bug get to a goal flying in a butterfly pattern, than not move at all.

 

Indeed I didn't mean that i'd use this exact wording, but something to the effect of only move if you have every intention of helping its goal!

 

Intention by the holder and what actually happens with a TB can be two entirely different stories as the OP's TB log shows. Suffice it to say that stuff sometimes happens after a TB is picked up that prevents the holder from following through....

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Suffice it to say that stuff sometimes happens after a TB is picked up that prevents the holder from following through....

 

G'day

 

Sure, but how often do you get an email or there is a note posted to the trackables page reflecting this? I can't recall one on any of my trackables, yet in all cases where a cacher has been involved in either long delays or the trackable going missing, they have continued to log into Geocaching.com. It is then I find it hard to see where the respect is ... it ain't hard to post a note or send an email.

 

Just knowing would be nice and then one can look at options ... can't do that without dialogue.

 

Regards

Andrew

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I have to agree with "The Justice League of NM". I too have had a travel bug's mission woefully ignored. I released "Beat Hutch Home" TB with the mission of beating my neice back to Fort Stewart Georgia. At the time she was serving in Iraq. Had a certain cacher payed attention to the mission it probably would have worked and my neice could have picked the bug up when she returned. He didn't and he took the bug on his "Great road trip". It worked out in the end though. We rerouted the bug to Tampa, where she settled after leaving the Army.

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When I make goals for my TBs I try to set one goal and then make the overall general goal - to travel the world. I love seeing my TBs move and I really could care less if they go to any specific place.

 

I guess I probably have a lot of people upset with me. I like to move TBs when I go on trips and my main goal is to get their TB some miles. I don't always really pay much attention to the goals. I did drop off one TB in Tennessee yesterday that wanted to go to TN. If I can help the goal then I will do it but sometimes when I am on the road and I see a TB I will pick it up. I picked up a couple today in Kentucky and now I am in Indiana. I didn't know what their goals were, my thought process was I will pick them up and get them some miles. I would hope people would do that with my TBs.

 

From some of the logic that I see on here, some people feel they should not pick up a TB if its goal says - "I want to go to Africa". Should that TB stay in the cache then until somebody comes by who is going to Africa? Nobody has to answer that question, just stating my opinion.

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From some of the logic that I see on here, some people feel they should not pick up a TB if its goal says - "I want to go to Africa". Should that TB stay in the cache then until somebody comes by who is going to Africa?

 

My take would be different from what you are implying here I think. I would move the bug but I would endeavour to move it closer to a likely jumping off point to Africa. For example, in my case I would make an effort to drop it in a well known Travel Bug Hotel which gets visits from South Africians or it take it to a Stargate if appropriate. What I am saying is that I would try to move it closer to its goals. Even if that meant only to another cache say heading west.

 

There are three bugs locally at the moment that want to get overseas. I have picked up one and hope to pick up the other two within a day or so. I will then drop them into a Stargate to help them on their way in accordance to their objectives.

 

Thinking about your other comments on mileage, I have seen a couple of bugs lately which had tags attached with thier goals. One wanted to stay in the US (that was its goal) yet it turned up in here Australia ... I wouldn't have thought it was hard to take on board such a goal.

 

The other wanted to go to Samoa, an island off the east coast of Australia. It was picked up and taken back to the US where it had come from! Now I accept that cacher may not have known where Samoa was but then it could have been left and one of the other trackables in the cache taken in its place.

 

I see both incidents as a matter of a lack of respect ... it is not hard, IF the goals are attached to quickly scan them and take them on board. I understand that if they are not attached then it is much harder and maybe even unrealistic to expect goals to be met that often.

 

Thinking about your mileage comments some more, just because you want mileage on your trackables it does mean not it applies to all others. As you say you would hope you get mileage on your bugs, so you want others to respect your wishes, shouldn't that respect be returned?

 

To illustrate. I have two bugs out which provide the coorindates for a cache and one coin which does the same for another cache. I do not want them to leave Perth metro. This is clearly stated on the tags attached to the bugs and coin. I hope that the cachers who retrieve these trackables respect that request. You see mileage is not important here. Thankfully bar one or two instances the objectives have been respected and the trackables are still incirculation and the cache is being enjoyed. A win win for all concerned.

 

A little consideration can go a long way in my view.

 

Regards

Andrew

 

Regards

Andrew

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From some of the logic that I see on here, some people feel they should not pick up a TB if its goal says - "I want to go to Africa". Should that TB stay in the cache then until somebody comes by who is going to Africa?

 

My take would be different from what you are implying here I think. I would move the bug but I would endeavour to move it closer to a likely jumping off point to Africa. For example, in my case I would make an effort to drop it in a well known Travel Bug Hotel which gets visits from South Africians or it take it to a Stargate if appropriate. What I am saying is that I would try to move it closer to its goals. Even if that meant only to another cache say heading west.

 

There are three bugs locally at the moment that want to get overseas. I have picked up one and hope to pick up the other two within a day or so. I will then drop them into a Stargate to help them on their way in accordance to their objectives.

 

Thinking about your other comments on mileage, I have seen a couple of bugs lately which had tags attached with thier goals. One wanted to stay in the US (that was its goal) yet it turned up in here Australia ... I wouldn't have thought it was hard to take on board such a goal.

 

The other wanted to go to Samoa, an island off the east coast of Australia. It was picked up and taken back to the US where it had come from! Now I accept that cacher may not have known where Samoa was but then it could have been left and one of the other trackables in the cache taken in its place.

 

I see both incidents as a matter of a lack of respect ... it is not hard, IF the goals are attached to quickly scan them and take them on board. I understand that if they are not attached then it is much harder and maybe even unrealistic to expect goals to be met that often.

 

Thinking about your mileage comments some more, just because you want mileage on your trackables it does mean not it applies to all others. As you say you would hope you get mileage on your bugs, so you want others to respect your wishes, shouldn't that respect be returned?

 

To illustrate. I have two bugs out which provide the coorindates for a cache and one coin which does the same for another cache. I do not want them to leave Perth metro. This is clearly stated on the tags attached to the bugs and coin. I hope that the cachers who retrieve these trackables respect that request. You see mileage is not important here. Thankfully bar one or two instances the objectives have been respected and the trackables are still incirculation and the cache is being enjoyed. A win win for all concerned.

 

A little consideration can go a long way in my view.

 

Regards

Andrew

 

Regards

Andrew

 

That is neat with your TBs and cache. I think I have heard of that once before. In that case I would hope it would be clearly stated on the tag (like yours is) to leave it in the area. I have picked up some bugs on my way to Florida and seen on the road that they wanted to stay in the Chicago area, I dropped them off in the next cache I found. I sometimes put a index card in the ziplock with the words in big print saying - This bug wants to stay in the _____ area. I would say half the bugs I have found don't come with bug sheets or goals with them but most of those do have goals written on the website TB page. I usually pick those bugs up and they may get moved a few states before I read the online log. If I don't see any specific goal on the TB then I think its goal must be to move and get mileage.

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I would say half the bugs I have found don't come with bug sheets or goals with them but most of those do have goals written on the website TB page. I usually pick those bugs up and they may get moved a few states before I read the online log. If I don't see any specific goal on the TB then I think its goal must be to move and get mileage.

 

I have the same problem here. It makes it hard to respect goals if they are not included or attached to a bug or coin. In this situation I think the owner has to be reasonable about their goals not being met or at least accept diversions taking place.

 

Andrew

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