+BillP3rd Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I placed a cache (http://geocaching.jayhawk.net/denied/cache.html) but the approver feels that caches inside libraries shouldn't be listed. I've seen dozens of these and personally found two. The objection is that strictly speaking a GPS receiver isn't *required* to find the cache. The posted coordinates are for the entrance to the library. Are new caches inside libraries banned? Quote Link to comment
+Miragee Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I don't know about your question, but I have found a cache hidden inside the UCSD library in La Jolla, CA. Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Well, make the coordinates exactly where the cache really is. It would be little different that any heavy cover or even under structures. Quote Link to comment
+altosaxplayer Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I have never found one inside, but I would like to Quote Link to comment
+Jester2112 Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I haven't had the chance to find one inside yet but do know they exist because a caching buddy of mine from Indiana found this one: GCGW92 on 06/16/05. So, if it's a new rule, it's VERY new! Good luck. Maybe this cache example and any others folks can provide will help with your approval. Quote Link to comment
+cache_test_dummies Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 There's a library cache near me which was placed this summer. There were 4 of us waiting in line for the library to open that morning, which was fun. Once the library opened, we all sat in around a table and signed the log. Pretty cool - no bugs, and kind of like a geocaching event. We had to whisper, though. Library caches are ok, in my opinion. And apparently in the opinion of my local reviewer. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I wasn't aware that indoors or outdoors or even needing a GPS was a guideline. Typically a library cache is a puzzle cache and you don't need coords that lead you to a specific shelf. Quote Link to comment
+Happy Bubbles Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 There is a library cache near me, GCNCGN , which has you go take a picture by a mural near the library and then go inside and find the log. I hate traditional caches that make you upload a picture as if they were virtual caches, but I guess that might be a way of getting it approved. Quote Link to comment
+The Jester Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. Quote Link to comment
+Jester2112 Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. Yep, 1,318.88 miles per mapquest, that'd do it I'm sure. Nice catch Jester...nice ID also. Quote Link to comment
+Hemlock Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 (edited) How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? Edited September 11, 2005 by Hemlock Quote Link to comment
robertlipe Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I've found a couple inside a library. (TN., CA, and IN come to mind.) I've found several more inside bookstores. Some have been very well done. Some haven't. It's not unlike tupperware in the woods in that regard. As to how it can be considered geocaching, it involves the placement of a container with a logbook potentially with exchange items, using a GPS and/or clues to locate it, and working with property owners to ensure that it is welcome and that its well-being is preserved. That sounds much more like the textbook definition of geocaching than a lot of what we see these days. It's kind of neat to be able to walk to a terminal 30 feet from a cache and log it. GCHK9B is as clever as any I've seen and amazingly implemented - way better than than most. GCGYG6 is pretty well done. I could dig up more if necessary, but I think I'll have to call Hemlock on this one - placing/finding a cache inside a library that meets the definitions and rules of geocaching isn't out of the question. Quote Link to comment
Clan Riffster Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Beats the heck out of a film cannister in a Wally World parking lot. Quote Link to comment
+dogbreathcanada Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I placed a cache (http://geocaching.jayhawk.net/denied/cache.html) but the approver feels that caches inside libraries shouldn't be listed. Your approver needs to grab a clue. I've found two indoor caches, one being inside a library. Quote Link to comment
4wheelin_fool Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I just did one today in Philadelphia. It was great ! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...&log=y&numlogs= Another one required a visit to locate a certain book to find the final location. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...4d-fc3fbcdf6290 Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? It's the finding the cache part. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. If that was the real issue, the approver would have said so. Typically a library cache has the staff involved and they will help maintain it which solves the maintenance issue. Quote Link to comment
+Jester2112 Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. If that was the real issue, the approver would have said so. Typically a library cache has the staff involved and they will help maintain it which solves the maintenance issue. But in this case, wouldn't that mean if you were over a thousand miles away, that the "staff" would then need to "adopt" the cache? Quote Link to comment
+BillP3rd Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. Not a problem. 1. I own a home in Estes Park. In fact, I'd bet cash money that you can't find a Estes phonebook without my name in it (you'd have to go back 70+ years!) 2. My sister lives nearby and maintains all of my Colorado caches. They're listed under her geocaching id. 3. I've placed 7 others in the area, all "approved". Quote Link to comment
+BillP3rd Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. If that was the real issue, the approver would have said so. Typically a library cache has the staff involved and they will help maintain it which solves the maintenance issue. But in this case, wouldn't that mean if you were over a thousand miles away, that the "staff" would then need to "adopt" the cache? The library staff was enthusiastic about the cache. The library director approved it personally. In fact, he placed it! Distance isn't an issue. I'm a part-time resident. Quote Link to comment
+1stimestar Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Did you send your approver some examples of some? Did you ask him to open the discussion with other approvers? Good luck. Quote Link to comment
+BillP3rd Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 Did you send your approver some examples of some? Did you ask him to open the discussion with other approvers? Good luck. Yup. All he had to say on the topic was that the approvers had split opinions. Quote Link to comment
+New England n00b Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? Part of a puzzle cache where the clues are at waypoints? I was gonna do one like this a while back, but I did not have the time to properly maintain it. Quote Link to comment
+cache_test_dummies Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? The same way finding a cache inside a cave is considered geocaching. The coordinates lead you to a point nearby, then you follow the directions or your instinct to locate the cache and sign the log. Quote Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 The one libarary cache I found was near a large window where the GPSr worked fine. Clue and semi-puzzle was findinfg the book on the shelf by the window. I searched outside the window for a good 30 mins before it struck me what to do. Quote Link to comment
+Super_Nate Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Is this a question of caches being placed in LIBRARYS or caches being placed indoors altogether? I found a cache inside the lobby of a hotel...and also a cache inside the visitor center of a park! I don't see a problem with a cache being indoors (or in this case the library) as long as you have permission from the right people and explain completely the game and what people will be doing as they search, and what they are searching for. Quote Link to comment
+Super_Nate Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 One more thing...if the coords are for a point other than the actual geocache then the cache shouldn't be traditional! Indoor caches make for excellent letterbox or puzzle cache ideas. Quote Link to comment
+Windrose Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? I don't think it's different from any other "offset" cache. Windrose Quote Link to comment
+Ed & Julie Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? Hey Hemlock... Didn't you approve this cache: Nephew's Cache Quote Link to comment
+Super_Nate Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? I couldn't help but notice that Mr. Hemlock here has the quote of the day Anyway, back to the topic on hand... Quote Link to comment
+New England n00b Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? I couldn't help but notice that Mr. Hemlock here has the quote of the day Anyway, back to the topic on hand... That's because he is a grade A Oh-fishul Groundspeak Lackey , and has the power to be swayed by constructive thoughts & commentary. Quote Link to comment
+Super_Nate Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? I couldn't help but notice that Mr. Hemlock here has the quote of the day Anyway, back to the topic on hand... That's because he is a grade A Oh-fishul Groundspeak Lackey , and has the power to be swayed by constructive thoughts & commentary. And his indoor caches are the hardest hit in the country, and people are finding them as we speak. How do you do it? Quote Link to comment
+New England n00b Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? I couldn't help but notice that Mr. Hemlock here has the quote of the day Anyway, back to the topic on hand... That's because he is a grade A Oh-fishul Groundspeak Lackey , and has the power to be swayed by constructive thoughts & commentary. And his indoor caches are the hardest hit in the country, and people are finding them as we speak. How do you do it? How do I do what? Quote Link to comment
+Mudfrog Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 We've found three library caches. Two of them consisted of cache pages which gave coordinates for the library building itself and information on how to find additional needed information once inside. That information consisted of coordinates that led us to a final cache. The other one listed coordinates that took us to a place just outside of a library. Once there, we then found the information needed to find the log only cache that was placed inside. There's not a thing wrong with these types of setups! Quote Link to comment
+Super_Nate Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I'm talking about Hemlock...not you! Quote Link to comment
+Super_Nate Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 How can finding a cache inside a library be considered geocaching? I couldn't help but notice that Mr. Hemlock here has the quote of the day Anyway, back to the topic on hand... That's because he is a grade A Oh-fishul Groundspeak Lackey , and has the power to be swayed by constructive thoughts & commentary. And his indoor caches are the hardest hit in the country, and people are finding them as we speak. How do you do it? How do I do what? Take two.... I'm talking about Hemlock...not you! Quote Link to comment
+WeightMan Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 This cache has a micro attached to a light pole outside the library. Inside the micro are directions as to how to complete the cache. In this case you are directed to a drawer in the library and the log book in which you are to extend a story. Would something like that satisfy everybody? I might add that I have found five library caches, three of which are in Colorado Springs. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. If that was the real issue, the approver would have said so. Typically a library cache has the staff involved and they will help maintain it which solves the maintenance issue. But in this case, wouldn't that mean if you were over a thousand miles away, that the "staff" would then need to "adopt" the cache? You can have a cache out of your normal area with local help. The locals don't need to adopt the cache, they don't even have to be geocachers. Quote Link to comment
+BillP3rd Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 Could it be that the real objection is the distance from you to the cache? Renton, WA to Estes, Co is pretty far. If that was the real issue, the approver would have said so. Typically a library cache has the staff involved and they will help maintain it which solves the maintenance issue. But in this case, wouldn't that mean if you were over a thousand miles away, that the "staff" would then need to "adopt" the cache? You can have a cache out of your normal area with local help. The locals don't need to adopt the cache, they don't even have to be geocachers. Not an issue. 1. I'm regularly there. 2. The cache is posted by my sister who is an active cacher and lives there. 3. The library director (who I personally talked with) approved and placed the cache. Quote Link to comment
+BillP3rd Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 Note: This cache is in place and contains a special "first finder" prize. Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 This cache has a micro attached to a light pole outside the library. Inside the micro are directions as to how to complete the cache. In this case you are directed to a drawer in the library and the log book in which you are to extend a story. Would something like that satisfy everybody? I might add that I have found five library caches, three of which are in Colorado Springs. That's an excellent example, since GPS use and coordinates are relevant for part of the hunt. Ditto for the example where GPS reception was available indoors due to large windows. These examples differ from a "geocache" that said to just leave your GPS at home and proceed directly to the library. Quote Link to comment
+Map Only Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Is it ever "necessary" to use a GPS? Quote Link to comment
+phoenix-rose Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Great question - and I have a two fold answer. In Utah, there's several caches that are outside the libraries. The owners apparently did not have permission to place them. Anyhow, when a few geocachers went in the library looking for them, the librarians felt it was disruptive and rude, and requested that all geocaching activities outside, inside, and round the library be ceased, and removed from the premisis. If they could find them, they said, they would be immediately destroyed because it was "disruptive, rude, and not what the library was intended for". Apparently, however, they do permit the boyscouts, girlscouts, and local school children in there without parents for hours every day after school. (You tell me which is more disruptive....) The key here, is that the geocaches just got cammo'ed better, put outside, hidden in corners of the farthest parking lots, and a note on the cache saying go during off hours. Just some thoughts from the edge. ~Rose Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 ... These examples differ from a "geocache" that said to just leave your GPS at home and proceed directly to the library. Darn it, I agree with Keystone. I hate it when that happens. The problem that I see with this cache is that it gives too much information. I wouldn't need my GPSr (or the coords) at all to find this cache. I just have to drive to the library and look it up. I think that your idea is a very good one, but you should severely limit the info that you are giving on your cache page. I would just give the coords and the hours of operation. My clue would be 'Look it up'. Quote Link to comment
+BBWolf+3Pigs Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 I think that your idea is a very good one, but you should severely limit the info that you are giving on your cache page. I would just give the coords and the hours of operation. My clue would be 'Look it up'. "596 23 711" is my library cache. Quote Link to comment
+ODragon Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Is it ever "necessary" to use a GPS? Apparently not... EdScott has 669 finds and doesn't have a GPSr... Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Is it ever "necessary" to use a GPS? Apparently not... EdScott has 669 finds and doesn't have a GPSr... He still needs the coordinates, however. With the proposed cache, he would not. Quote Link to comment
+ODragon Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Is it ever "necessary" to use a GPS? Apparently not... EdScott has 669 finds and doesn't have a GPSr... He still needs the coordinates, however. With the proposed cache, he would not. That's true but that's not what I was responding to. Quote Link to comment
+ShowStop Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I just like the fact that this library cache actually has the approval of the library staff. I've done 4 library caches to date, 1 of which had permission, the other 3 did not. One of those caches without library permission was in an actual book...that got checked out! That cache was promptly archived. Quote Link to comment
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