+RakeInTheCache Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) Caches per 100,000 inhabitants. Another interesting statistic would be caches per unit area. I'll leave that for someone else. National Average : 39.2 1. 198.1 Idaho 2. 151.1 Utah 3. 126.9 Oregon 4. 110.2 Wyoming 5. 94.9 Montana 6. 85.7 Washington 7. 79.5 Nevada 8. 78.9 Alaska 9. 68.5 Vermont 10. 62.5 Tennessee 11. 58.3 Arizona 12. 58.2 New Mexico 13. 56.8 Nebraska 14. 52.8 Maine 15. 52.7 California 16. 51.6 Indiana 17. 48.3 New Hampshire 18. 47.4 Kansas 19. 45.9 South Dakota 20. 44.9 Colorado 21. 44.1 Wisconsin 22. 42.3 Minnesota 23. 39.1 Iowa 24. 38.1 Arkansas 25. 38.0 Kentucky 26. 35.9 Oklahoma 27. 34.5 Florida 28. 34.1 North Carolina 28. 34.1 Texas 30. 31.6 Alabama 31. 30.2 Michigan 32. 30.1 Virginia 33. 29.6 Mississippi 34. 29.2 West Virginia 35. 29.1 Pennsylvania 36. 27.5 Delaware 37. 27.3 North Dakota 38. 26.8 Missouri 38. 26.8 Hawaii 40. 26.5 Massachusetts 41. 25.7 South Carolina 42. 25.4 Georgia 43. 24.7 Maryland 44. 24.3 Connecticut 45. 23.3 Illinois 46. 22.9 Ohio 47. 21.6 Rhode Island 48. 21.5 New York 49. 18.6 New Jersey 50. 15.6 Louisiana 51. 12.8 DC 52. 0.6 Puerto Rico When compared to the Europeans we're number 2 right behind Sweden. Edited May 20, 2005 by RakeInTheCache Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) News Flash: Mysterious aircraft seen in skies over California...all Geocaches disappear. Mere coincidence? Edited May 19, 2005 by Team cotati697 Quote Link to comment
+JMBella Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) # 45. 21.5 New York Holy Crap! I've got some work to do I guess! Edited May 19, 2005 by JMBella Quote Link to comment
+Simulatmore Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Glad I found a couple while I was in San Diego a couple of weeks ago Quote Link to comment
+ODragon Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 # 45. 21.5 New York Holy Crap! I've got some work to do I guess! It makes sense. NY as a state had an insane amount of people but most of them are in a relatively small area. There are miles and miles of empty caching land in upstate New York. Quote Link to comment
+Team Perks Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) News Flash: Mysterious aircraft seen in skies over California...all Geocaches disappear. Mere coincidence? Oops! I guess I archived a few too many of my caches. By my math, if California were assumed to be part of the United States, we'd be #14 with 53.28 caches per 100,000 people (based on 2003 population estimate). Edited May 19, 2005 by Team Perks Quote Link to comment
+tozainamboku Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 After missing Finland in one list and California and some other states here, I discount RakeIntTheCache statistics altogether. Carelessness in reporting statistics tends to make me think that there are probably other errors in the way these were collected. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 # 43. 22.9 Ohio# 44. 21.6 Rhode Island # 45. 21.5 New York # 46. 18.6 New Jersey # 47. 15.6 Louisiana # 48. 12.8 DC I'd better get crackin'. NJ is however #1 in caches per square mile (not including DC). Quote Link to comment
+Team Perks Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 After missing Finland in one list and California and some other states here, I discount RakeIntTheCache statistics altogether. Carelessness in reporting statistics tends to make me think that there are probably other errors in the way these were collected. Hey, it's not about the numbers anyway! Quote Link to comment
+KoosKoos Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 After missing Finland in one list and California and some other states here, I discount RakeIntTheCache statistics altogether. Carelessness in reporting statistics tends to make me think that there are probably other errors in the way these were collected. 78.34% of all statistics are either incorrect or from suspect sources, so I only believe 18.29% of them. Quote Link to comment
+welch Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 After missing Finland in one list and California and some other states here, I discount RakeIntTheCache statistics altogether. Carelessness in reporting statistics tends to make me think that there are probably other errors in the way these were collected. 78.34% of all statistics are either incorrect or from suspect sources, so I only believe 18.29% of them. 108.2% of all people know this be true Quote Link to comment
+Bellageo Cache Game Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Caches per 100,000 inhabitants. How 'bout total caches per state? (I'm just tryin' to get Oregon to the top of the list. Grin.) Quote Link to comment
+BadAndy Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 *chanting* We're Number 1....We're number 1!!!!!! And by a large margin to boot. Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 19, 2005 Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) News Flash: Mysterious aircraft seen in skies over California...all Geocaches disappear. Mere coincidence? Oops. The PDA didn't sort the list correctly so I had to do it manually. Must have(accidentally) left out California, or maybe it was my sub-conscious evil twin. It's corrected now. Hey is there any connection between California and Finland? Edited May 19, 2005 by RakeInTheCache Quote Link to comment
+rusty_tlc Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Discrepant numbers aside, what meaning do these statistics have? How can they be usefully applied? Statistics for statistics sake? Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 19, 2005 Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) Discrepant numbers aside, what meaning do these statistics have? How can they be usefully applied? Statistics for statistics sake? They could be used to indicate the relative popularity of the sport in each state (with some extenuating factors thrown in). For example none of the Southern States reach the national average. The West as a whole is above average. Of the New England States, Vermont ranks highest. That kind of stuff. I was to surprised to see that my home state of Michigan was below the average. Edited May 19, 2005 by RakeInTheCache Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Per capita numbers merely give you your odds of running into another cacher in the field. How about numbers based on area? Which states are the most dense? (Wow, that's an easy joke, isn't it?) Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 ... For example none of the Southern States reach the national average. ... Tennessee is in the south. My wishing hasn't yet moved it northward. Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 19, 2005 Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 After missing Finland in one list and California and some other states here, I discount RakeIntTheCache statistics altogether. Carelessness in reporting statistics tends to make me think that there are probably other errors in the way these were collected. You can check them yourself. It's not difficult. Census bureau for pop. and Geocaching for the cache count. If you find an error let me know. (I'm sure you will) Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 19, 2005 Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 ... For example none of the Southern States reach the national average. ... Tennessee is in the south. My wishing hasn't yet moved it northward. I feel a fever coming on again ... Quote Link to comment
twjolson & Kay Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Where did you get this, and do they have world stats? Quote Link to comment
+BadAndy Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 When compared to the Europeans we're number 2 right behind Sweden. I think the european union should be counted as a whole, with their member states counted as you counted the individual US states. Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 19, 2005 Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) Where did you get this, and do they have world stats? I made them myself. Here's the recipe. 1 part population statistic from you friendly census website, 1 part Geocaching search on country/state. Do the math and voila. Edited May 19, 2005 by RakeInTheCache Quote Link to comment
Trinity's Crew Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 If I want to move Maryland up in the standings I'm gonna have to start hiding caches or killing people... Quote Link to comment
+diverhank Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 So RITC, what happened to California? Also, I think it's more useful to have statistics on cache density (caches per area). Can you come up with those too? []. thanks. Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 19, 2005 Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 If I want to move Maryland up in the standings I'm gonna have to start hiding caches or killing people... Just as long as you don't use a gun. Quote Link to comment
+Joypa Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 I think the formula is #of interesting sites in state/#of fat, lazy people. Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Per capita numbers merely give you your odds of running into another cacher in the field. How about numbers based on area? Which states are the most dense? (Wow, that's an easy joke, isn't it?) it's so easy because we covered it 10 days ago. Quote Link to comment
+Cardinal Red Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 RakeInTheCache Posted on May 19 2005, 01:08 PM If you find an error let me know. 28. 34.1 North Carolina 28. 34.1 Texas 29. 31.6 Alabama That would make Alabama # 30. Right? 37. 26.8 Missouri 37. 26.8 Hawaii 38. 26.5 Massachusetts And don't forget this one. Quote Link to comment
+rusty_tlc Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 It might be interesting to do the same set based on pop/area and compare the list. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 # 43. 22.9 Ohio# 44. 21.6 Rhode Island # 45. 21.5 New York # 46. 18.6 New Jersey # 47. 15.6 Louisiana # 48. 12.8 DC I'd better get crackin'. NJ is however #1 in caches per square mile (not including DC). No! NO!! No more boulder field caches!! Let TPTB declare a moratorium on them! I shall, however, make up the difference with Evil Mystery caches! Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Discrepant numbers aside, what meaning do these statistics have? How can they be usefully applied? Statistics for statistics sake? They could be used to indicate the relative popularity of the sport in each state (with some extenuating factors thrown in). For example none of the Southern States reach the national average. The West as a whole is above average. Of the New England States, Vermont ranks highest. That kind of stuff. I was to surprised to see that my home state of Michigan was below the average. Good points. Also interesting to note is that Idaho being #1 per capita seems to have virtually no regulation of caching . Where I've talked to people they are thrilled to have people use their trials, or parks. When I've asked about permits they laugh because it would require rules and regulations and people to enforce them for an activity they consider harmless. This sentament is not universal, but I have not talked to anyone who felt otherwise. Merley heard of them 2nd hand. Quote Link to comment
+RockyRaab Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Hey KoosKoos, it's also true that 91.4% of all statistics are made up on the sopt. Based on that list, those of us in the Utah/Idaho/Wyoming area (as I am proud to be) are fortunate in our caching opportunities. Quote Link to comment
+rusty_tlc Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Discrepant numbers aside, what meaning do these statistics have? How can they be usefully applied? Statistics for statistics sake? They could be used to indicate the relative popularity of the sport in each state (with some extenuating factors thrown in). For example none of the Southern States reach the national average. The West as a whole is above average. Of the New England States, Vermont ranks highest. That kind of stuff. I was to surprised to see that my home state of Michigan was below the average. Good points. Also interesting to note is that Idaho being #1 per capita seems to have virtually no regulation of caching . Where I've talked to people they are thrilled to have people use their trials, or parks. When I've asked about permits they laugh because it would require rules and regulations and people to enforce them for an activity they consider harmless. This sentament is not universal, but I have not talked to anyone who felt otherwise. Merley heard of them 2nd hand. Pretty much the response I got from the Nevada(#7) State Parks Director. Quote Link to comment
lucyandrickie Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 (edited) Oops!!! Edited May 20, 2005 by lucyandrickie Quote Link to comment
lucyandrickie Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 (edited) Someone asked for caches by area. Below is a ranking of the states by caches per 100 sq mi. 1. District of Columbia 94.1 2. New Jersey 18.8 3. Massachusetts 16.1 4. Connetticut 15.4 5. Rhode Island 15.4 6. California 11.6 7. Maryland 11.2 8. Florida 9.1 9. Delaware 8.9 10. Indiana 8.8 11. Tennessee 8.7 12. Pennsylvania 7.9 13. New York 7.6 14. Washington 7.4 15. New Hampshire 6.7 16. Ohio 5.9 17. North Carolina 5.4 18. Virginia 5.3 19. Illinois 5.1 20. Oregon 4.6 21. Vermont 4.3 22. Utah 4.3 23. Kentucky 3.9 24. Georgia 3.8 25. Wisconsin 3.7 26. South Carolina 3.4 27. Idaho 3.3 28. Hawaii 3.2 29. Michigan 3.2 30. Arizona 2.9 31. Texas 2.9 32. Alabama 2.7 33. Minnesota 2.5 34. Missouri 2.2 35. West Virginia 2.2 36. Iowa 2.0 37. Colorado 2.0 38. Maine 1.9 39. Arkansas 1.9 40. Oklahoma 1.8 41. Mississippi 1.8 42. Nevada 1.7 43. Kansas 1.6 44. Louisiana 1.4 45. Nebraska 1.2 46. New Mexico 0.9 47. Montana 0.6 48. Wyoming 0.6 49. South Dakota 0.5 50. North Dakota 0.2 51. Alaska 0.1 I've been keeping these statistics for a while and it is a constantly changing list. Edited May 20, 2005 by lucyandrickie Quote Link to comment
lucyandrickie Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Someone else asked for a ranking by total number of caches. These are the totals as of today. 1. California 18916 2. Texas 7689 3. Florida 6012 4. Washington 5309 5. Oregon 4572 6. New York 4140 7. Tennessee 3685 8. Utah 3625 9. Pennsylvania 3617 10. Arizona 3324 11. Indiana 3197 12. Michigan 3055 13. Illinois 2965 14. North Carolina 2916 15. Idaho 2777 16. Ohio 2639 17. Wisconsin 2424 18. Virginia 2257 19. Georgia 2240 20. Minnesota 2162 21. Colorado 2067 22. Nevada 1830 23. Massachusetts 1699 24. New Jersey 1639 25. Kentucky 1556 26. Missouri 1529 27. Alabama 1423 28. Maryland 1385 29. Kansas 1280 30. Oklahoma 1256 31. Iowa 1135 32. New Mexico 1104 33. South Carolina 1081 34. Arkansas 1030 35. Nebraska 966 36. Mississippi 859 37. Montana 858 38. Connetticut 855 39. Louisiana 700 40. Maine 687 41. New Hampshire 628 42. Alaska 552 43. Wyoming 551 44. West Virginia 528 45. Vermont 413 46. South Dakota 367 47. Hawaii 348 48. Rhode Island 238 49. Delaware 221 50. North Dakota 166 51. District of Columbia 64 Quote Link to comment
Trinity's Crew Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Oh, great... Now I either have to hide more caches or conquer/annex some high density states! Quote Link to comment
+Team Perks Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 (edited) Dude, better check your math. So you say California has 11.6 caches per 1000 square mile? But... There are 18,916 caches, and California is 163,707 square miles in size... Which totals to 0.11554 caches per square mile... Or 115.54 caches per 1000 square miles. ??? Edited May 20, 2005 by Team Perks Quote Link to comment
lucyandrickie Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Oops!!!!! One too many zeros. It should be caches per 100 sq mi. I'll go back and fix that. Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 ok the ranking numbers have been corrected. Quote Link to comment
+brodiebunch Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 How about caches per square mile rather than per person? Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 Someone asked for caches by area. Below is a ranking of the states by caches per 100 sq mi. 1. District of Columbia 94.1 2. New Jersey 18.8 3. Massachusetts 16.1 4. Connetticut 15.4 5. Rhode Island 15.4 6. California 11.6 7. Maryland 11.2 8. Florida 9.1 9. Delaware 8.9 10. Indiana 8.8 11. Tennessee 8.7 12. Pennsylvania 7.9 13. New York 7.6 14. Washington 7.4 15. New Hampshire 6.7 16. Ohio 5.9 17. North Carolina 5.4 18. Virginia 5.3 19. Illinois 5.1 20. Oregon 4.6 21. Vermont 4.3 22. Utah 4.3 23. Kentucky 3.9 24. Georgia 3.8 25. Wisconsin 3.7 26. South Carolina 3.4 27. Idaho 3.3 28. Hawaii 3.2 29. Michigan 3.2 30. Arizona 2.9 31. Texas 2.9 32. Alabama 2.7 33. Minnesota 2.5 34. Missouri 2.2 35. West Virginia 2.2 36. Iowa 2.0 37. Colorado 2.0 38. Maine 1.9 39. Arkansas 1.9 40. Oklahoma 1.8 41. Mississippi 1.8 42. Nevada 1.7 43. Kansas 1.6 44. Louisiana 1.4 45. Nebraska 1.2 46. New Mexico 0.9 47. Montana 0.6 48. Wyoming 0.6 49. South Dakota 0.5 50. North Dakota 0.2 51. Alaska 0.1 I've been keeping these statistics for a while and it is a constantly changing list. Which confirms that New Jersey is probably completely saturated. Low number on the caches/capita, high on the caches/area. The sport is unable to grow there to match the population. Quote Link to comment
+BadAndy Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 The most important stat would be caches times cachers minus virts per acre......squared. I prefer the caches per capita list. Not only because my state came out on top, but because it's a more accurate reflection of how popular the sport is becoming. Quote Link to comment
trashcann Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Let’s not forget the territories! Guam ranks behind DC and ahead of Puerto Rico at 11.1 caches per 100,000 people but ranks 12'th in the area category with 8 caches per 100 square miles. Quote Link to comment
The Junkyard Dogs Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Must get a hidin here in texas. Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 In fact it appears that states with large urban centers in restricted geographical settings (New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, etc.) may have artificially low numbers. Cache density around the city (or all over New Jersey) would be abnormally high, that in the country abnormally low because the population is not centered in the middle of the state and can't as easily reach it as they would otherwise be able being centrally located. Doesn't explain why Ohio is so low. Bit of a surprise. Quote Link to comment
WH Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Doesn't explain why Ohio is so low. Bit of a surprise. Must be because the Constitution doesn't give the right for Ohio residents to geocache. Quote Link to comment
+Divine Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 When compared to the Europeans we're number 2 right behind Sweden. I think the european union should be counted as a whole, with their member states counted as you counted the individual US states. Not good. That'd still leave several individual European countries outside. A country is a country is a country. Quote Link to comment
+RakeInTheCache Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 Doesn't explain why Ohio is so low. Bit of a surprise. Must be because the Constitution doesn't give the right for Ohio residents to geocache. That would be the Ohio Constitution of course. As we've learned, the 9th amendment gives everyone the right to do anything they please. Quote Link to comment
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