Ketchup vs. Catsup

[+Firefishe]

I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I decided that, since it's been mentioned at least a *couple* of times that it needed a short-lived debate.

 

So what do you think? Ketchup vs. Catsup

 

Oh..wait

 

I mean GeoKetchup vs. GeoCatsup...?

 

Which one is "correct"

 

My thanks to Neuman on this thread for the most excellent suggestion

 

May the GeoFarce be with you.

 

--DementoFishe

 

 

[This message was edited by Firefishe on September 19, 2002 at 10:27 PM.]

[+VentureForth]

You would actually think it's Catchup. But noooooo. Someone had to go mess with language and make two poorly spelled words instead!

 

For the record, I prefer "ketchup" over "catsup".

 

It is my imagination, or is this one of those words that looks less and less like a real word the longer you look at it?

 

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[+makaio]

Cacheup

 

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[Rubbertoe]

Ketchup. I don't know anybody that says "catsup" and I'd probably have to smack them around a bit if they did.

 

- Toe.

 

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[+ApK]

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Originally posted by Rubbertoe:

Ketchup. I don't know anybody that says "catsup" and I'd probably have to smack them around a bit if they did.

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"Catsup" is pronouced "ketchup."

 

Being from a family of brand-loyal Heinz shoppers, I grew up spelling it "Ketchup."

 

There are those here that would argue that since both spellings are considered correct, neither one is.

 

ApK

[+Web-ling]

Catsup means a feline in a tree.

 

Ketchup is what you do when someone's getting ahead of you.

 

 

[el10t]

Its real name is "red sauce".

 

(For all Americans, this distinguishes it from "brown sauce" which is made by HP/Daddy's and is sort of fruity/spicy and also tastes great on chips/fries.)

 

Rich

mobilis in mobili

[+MountainMudbug]

quote:

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Originally posted by Web-ling:

 

I prefer "bottled tomato product."

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I'll second that. My personal favorite item is "processed cheese food."

 

Seriously though - ketchup.

 

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I sincerely feel that the facts are completely irrelevant in this case.

[Rubbertoe]

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Originally posted by MountainMudbug:

My personal favorite item is "processed cheese food."

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Noticing that very term a few days ago while making grilled cheese, I discovered this tidbit of useless info:

 

"I'm currently taking Nardil for depression. I understand that I can't eat any aged foods. The question I have is about the "real processed cheese food" available. I realize that this isn't real cheese, so I was wondering if this would be ok to eat. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated as the Doctor and Pharmacist were unable to come up with the answer."

 

You can't eat real processed cheese food (cheese spread or cheese food) because it contains some colby and cheddar cheese along with additional milk fat. Cheese food is not a real cheese because it doesn't contain enough milk to be labeled real cheese, but none the less contains some aged cheeses.

 

A key to understanding why you can't have any aged foods begins with understanding why your food choices are restricted when you are taking Nardil. This drug is a monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibiting (MAOI) drug. MAOs are enzymes in the intestinal lining (mucosa) and in the liver that detoxify certain amines. If these 'pressor' amines (tyramine, dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine) are not detoxified, they can be harmful to one's health.

 

Therefore a person taking an MAOI, like yourself, becomes vulnerable to any foods, drinks or other drugs which naturally contain these 'pressor' amines. When you eat a food containing these substances, the toxic levels amines are then not detoxified, causing your blood vessels to constrict (vasoconstriction), which can lead to high blood pressure (hypertension) problems.

 

 

- Toe.

 

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[+briansnat]

This arguement should only strike a chord the NJ and metro NY area and maybe parts of Boston.

 

Is the red stuff you put on spaghetti, sauce or gravy? This is an argument that I've had for years with many of my Italian friends. I've always called it sauce, but many of them call it gravy.

Still other Italians think that the ones who call it gravy are a bunch of carfonnes (or how ever that is spelled)

 

To me gravy is the brown stuff you put on turkey at Thanksgiving.

 

"Life is a daring adventure, or it is nothing" - Helen Keller

[Couch_Potato]

Growing up near Pittsburgh PA, the home of Heinz, ketchup was the only acceptable option. Ketchup was, and still is, the all purpose condiment.

Heinz is the original producer of the modern ketchup. Catsup was originally a different product created to compete with Heinz ketchup. Now nearly all manufacturers call their tomato paste based condiment ketchup. The government even has regulations for what the ingredients of ketchup are.

 

For your reading pleasure.

 

I'm not lost!

I just don't know where I am.

[Couch_Potato]

I do.

Not only do I fear them, I actively dislike and aviod them. Especially when they come in plastic encased slabs packaged as individually wrapped singles.

I think it's a good idea to stay away from anything that markets itslef as a processed food product.

 

I'm not lost!

I just don't know where I am.

[+MountainMudbug]

quote:

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Originally posted by Rubbertoe:

....the toxic levels amines are then not detoxified, causing your blood vessels to constrict (vasoconstriction), which can lead to high blood pressure (hypertension) problems.

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Must...not....eat....cheeeeese....foooood.

 

"Ma'am, please drop the Velveeta and nobody gets

hurt."

"You can pry it from my cold, dead hands!"

 

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I sincerely feel that the facts are completely irrelevant in this case.

[Walkin Stick]

Are they carfonnes or cell phones?

 

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[+Bear and Ting]

...."Get your bumm up here with the rest of us!"

 

More direct and to the point.

 

Bear & Ting

 

I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft.

 

Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

[Rickfur]

You guys all have it wrong...

 

It's Cat Soup

 

 

Contents Under Pressure...

[+Alan2]

I believe the original Ketchup was copyrighted by Heinz so the competitors had to use catsup until the copyright ran out.

 

Alan

[+ApK]

quote:

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Originally posted by MountainMudbug:

My personal favorite item is "processed cheese food."

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Isn't that what you feed to cheese?

[+eroyd]

Imagine trying to say Ketchup when your missing your front teeth or dealing with "My Daddy's name is Uncle Bubba" syndrome. Sounds like Catsup to me.

[Walkin Stick]

Just out of curiosity... If you are parading a bunch of kids through the woods and come across a dead animal do you say: Carry on -or- Carrion???

 

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[+eroyd]

I says "Carry it!", grab the catsup weeze eat'n good tonight.

[+brdad]

Catsup looks like it has something to do with cats.

Now don't get me wrong, I love cats. They taste just like chicken.

 

But to make a condiment out of them is totally inhumane and gross. I vote for ketchup.

 

On my first day of school my parents dropped me off at the wrong nursery. There I was...surrounded by trees and bushes.

[umc]

Ketchup

 

mustard or mouseturd?????

 

[+Web-ling]

quote:

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Originally posted by BrianSnat:

This arguement should only strike a chord the NJ and metro NY area and maybe parts of Boston.

 

Is the red stuff you put on spaghetti, sauce or gravy?

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In Cincinnati, the red stuff they put on spaghetti is chili.

 

[Walkin Stick]

You mean like a Chili 5-way from Steak and Shake?

 

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[TheMoore's]

My husband, the chef, orders 2 cases of KETCHUP, a week. If they send catsup, it is returned.

 

(I don't think his patrons like cats!)

[+LaPaglia]

If your people were originaly from around Rome its gravy.

If they were from Southern Italy or Sicily its succo (sauce)

 

My people are from Sicily so its sauce to my kids

 

Lapaglia

"Muga Muchu" (forget yourself, focus).

[umc]

"your people"

 

You must be from the south??

 

[+Neuman]

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"your people"

 

You must be from the south??

 

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Never ask a man where he's from. If he's from Texas, he'll tell you. If not, there's no need to embarass him!

 

[+Neuman]

quote:

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my thanks to Neuman on this thread for the most excellent suggestion

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I was afraid this might happen!

 

[umc]

quote:

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Originally posted by Neuman:

 

Never ask a man where he's from. If he's from Texas, he'll tell you. If not, there's no need to embarass him!

 

http://www.old-capitol-club.com/txwood.JPG

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LMAO, that is hilarious.

 

[+OzzieSan]

My grandma used to always say that and I wondered how she knew without even going outside!

[+The GeoGadgets Team]

quote:

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Originally posted by Web-ling:

 

Ketchup is what you do when someone's getting ahead of you.

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And here I thought that 'ketchup' was what happens when the hoist is lifting your 42 foot sailing vessel out of the harbor for maintenance.

 

RedwoodRed

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How much red would a redwood red if a redwood could red wood?

[Rubbertoe]

quote:

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Originally posted by ApK:

Isn't that what you feed to cheese?

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Hmm. You have a point there.

 

- Toe.

 

[xWaterLilyx]

quote:

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Originally posted by Walkin Stick:

Just out of curiosity... If you are parading a bunch of kids through the woods and come across a dead animal do you say: Carry on -or- Carrion???

 

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Support your local rescue team.... Get Lost!

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Personally, I say.... dead

 

- love the cat soup!!!

 

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[hgmonaro]

We call it "dead horse" (tomato sauce) but 'we' are Aussie's and call some things some weird names.. almost as bad as you "septic tanks"

[+Planet]

I call stuffing stuffing, but some people call it dressing but that's what I put on my salad. If I could pour stuffing from a bottle I don't think I would eat it!

 

Cache you later,

Planet

[+LaPaglia]

quote:

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Originally posted by Neuman:

quote:

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"your people"

 

You must be from the south??

 

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Never ask a man where he's from. If he's from Texas, he'll tell you. If not, there's no need to embarass him!

 

http://www.old-capitol-club.com/txwood.JPG

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Why yes I am from the south, Sicily is the southern most part of Italy.

 

And Sicily is the Texas of Italy, We know we are better than the mainland and never let them forget it.

 

Lapaglia

"Muga Muchu" (forget yourself, focus).

[+VentureForth]

quote:

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Originally posted by Couch_Potato:

For your reading pleasure.

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Now THAT was educational. I am kinda sad that "Cornchops" never took.

 

Iowans must be proud!

 

Just FYI, in Japan, they call it "Tomato Ke-cha-pu". It's closer to Heinz. I don't know what other kind of "Ke-cha-pu" they sell. Never heard of the Chinese stuff the article refers to.

 

What's it called in other countries?

 

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Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

 

[This message was edited by VentureForth on September 20, 2002 at 11:14 AM.]

[BassoonPilot]

quote:

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Originally posted by Firefishe:

 

So what do you think? Ketchup vs. Catsup

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I don't know. But I remember that during the Reagan era:

 

Republicans wanted ketchup to "count" as a vegetable on school menus, while

 

Democrats firmly believed catsup was merely a condiment.

[+LaPaglia]

quote:

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Originally posted by Planet:

I call stuffing stuffing, but some people call it dressing but that's what I put on my salad. If I could pour stuffing from a bottle I don't think I would eat it!

 

Cache you later,

Planet

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According to Julia Childs :

"It's stuffing if its cooked in the bird and Dressing if its cooked in a pan, Bon Appetite!"

 

Lapaglia

"Muga Muchu" (forget yourself, focus).

[+briansnat]

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In Cincinnati, the red stuff they put on spaghetti is chili.

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The stuff they make in Cincinati ain't chili. I'm not even from Texas, but I know cinnamon, cloves and chocolate do not go in chili. And real chili ain't served over spaghetti (or rice for that matter), no way, no how.

[azog]

From looking at the Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology, it seems that the original word was 'catchup' in the 18th century (and cited as 'catsup' by Swift) and then in the 19th century became ketchup.

 

Regarding sauce vs. gravy, I'm only marginally Italian (4th gen), and it's been 'sauce' in my house; I dated a 2nd gen Italian woman where it was 'gravy' in her house.

 

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Then I will work my way up to ruling you all with my fist!

[+Web-ling]

quote:

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Originally posted by BrianSnat:

quote:

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In Cincinnati, the red stuff they put on spaghetti is chili.

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The stuff they make in Cincinati ain't chili. I'm not even from Texas, but I know cinnamon, cloves and chocolate do not go in chili. And real chili ain't served over spaghetti (or rice for that matter), no way, no how.

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Agreed, it's not really chili. More like ketchup (catsup?) with beans and meat. But it's what passes for chili in Cincinnati. And they put it on spaghetti.

 

[ThatRoyGuy]

Like ApK, we buy Heinz, so it's "ketchup."

 

And I believe the culinary distinction between sauce and gravy is that the latter is made with some kind of meat base, like turkey or beef gravy. So the tomato-based stuff you put on spagetti is "sauce." Having said that, my friends of Italian ancestry call it "gravy" and they don't like it much when I correct them. Go figure.

 

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"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin

[+GeoManhattan]

Heinz tastes the best so it's ketchup in our house.

 

GeoManhattan.com

[+LaPaglia]

Gravy:

 

Definition: A sauce made from meat juices, usually combined with a liquid such as chicken or beef broth, wine or milk and thickened with flour, cornstarch or some other thickening agent. A gravy may also be the simple juices left in the pan after meat, poultry or fish has been cooked.

 

Sauce:

 

Definition: v. To cover or mix a food with a sauce. n. sauce In the most basic terms, a sauce is a thickened, flavored liquid designed to accompany food in order to enhance and bring out its flavor. In the days before refrigeration, however, sauces were more often used to smother the taste of foods that had begun to go bad. The French are credited with refining the sophisticated art of sauce-making. It was the 19th-century French chef Antonin Carême who evolved an intricate methodology by which hundreds of sauces were classified under one of five "mother sauces." Those are: espagnole (brown stock-based), velouté (light stock-based), béchamel (basic white sauce), hollandaise and mayonnaise (emulsified sauces) and vinaigrette (oil-and-vinegar combinations).

 

Encyclopedia of food. Foodtv.com

 

But Im telling you, for us italians its just a regional thing. Like Soda vs Pop.

 

Lapaglia

"Muga Muchu" (forget yourself, focus).