+Vinny & Sue Team Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Let me first say that I'm new to geocaching and I think the idea is wonderful. I stumbled upon it in the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ. I love the idea that it's a game the whole family can enjoy...being outdoors...enjoying the fresh air (even in NJ)...spending time away from the stressful environment we call WORK. <!--graemlin:--><BR><BR>What surprised me was that there were no "Adult" geocaches?<BR><BR>I know the game is truly a Family game and it should be that way, but I'm curious if anyone came across one of those? After reading your post I did a search and only came up with two sites of such. Actually only one was a site the other was just registered to a fictious email address. [Links removed by moderator.] The second is just regiseted but the first is a site. Not much info on it. Looks like it is new. I do think there can be a good use for this by the way. It doesn't have to be porn related. How about a mini liquor bottle from an international flight? I'd be more likely to leave something like an old coin to an adult in hopes that it would travel more. Not that I am against ressurecting old threads when appropriate, but why are you folks even bothering to respond to this obvious attempt by a sock puppet troll to inject life into a 4 year old thread that is and was long dead? Edited July 5, 2006 by Keystone Quote Link to comment
+Woodbutcher68 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Wouldn't leaving Metamucil, Dentucreme and Depends change a "family" cache to an "adult" cache? Quote Link to comment
+RichardMoore Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Let me first say that I'm new to geocaching and I think the idea is wonderful. I stumbled upon it in the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ. I love the idea that it's a game the whole family can enjoy...being outdoors...enjoying the fresh air (even in NJ)...spending time away from the stressful environment we call WORK. <!--graemlin:--><BR><BR>What surprised me was that there were no "Adult" geocaches?<BR><BR>I know the game is truly a Family game and it should be that way, but I'm curious if anyone came across one of those? After reading your post I did a search and only came up with two sites of such. Actually only one was a site the other was just registered to a fictious email address. ]Links removed by moderator] The second is just regiseted but the first is a site. Not much info on it. Looks like it is new. I do think there can be a good use for this by the way. It doesn't have to be porn related. How about a mini liquor bottle from an international flight? I'd be more likely to leave something like an old coin to an adult in hopes that it would travel more. Not that I am against ressurecting old threads when appropriate, but why are you folks even bothering to respond to this obvious attempt by a sock puppet troll to inject life into a 4 year old thread that is and was long dead? Because it was too hot and humid and my sinuses were giving me grief so I didn't want to go outside and play. And it's more fun than cleaning my apartment. Edited July 5, 2006 by Keystone Quote Link to comment
ElevenBravo Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have not, and I would prefer to keep it that way. <!--graemlin:--> Bump that, gets my vote. Quote Link to comment
uperdooper Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Let me first say that I'm new to geocaching and I think the idea is wonderful. I stumbled upon it in the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ. I love the idea that it's a game the whole family can enjoy...being outdoors...enjoying the fresh air (even in NJ)...spending time away from the stressful environment we call WORK. <!--graemlin:--><BR><BR>What surprised me was that there were no "Adult" geocaches?<BR><BR>I know the game is truly a Family game and it should be that way, but I'm curious if anyone came across one of those? After reading your post I did a search and only came up with two sites of such. Actually only one was a site the other was just registered to a fictious email address. [Links removed by moderator.] The second is just regiseted but the first is a site. Not much info on it. Looks like it is new. I do think there can be a good use for this by the way. It doesn't have to be porn related. How about a mini liquor bottle from an international flight? I'd be more likely to leave something like an old coin to an adult in hopes that it would travel more. Not that I am against ressurecting old threads when appropriate, but why are you folks even bothering to respond to this obvious attempt by a sock puppet troll to inject life into a 4 year old thread that is and was long dead? Because it was too hot and humid and my sinuses were giving me grief so I didn't want to go outside and play. And it's more fun than cleaning my apartment. we're just having a little, "AMOK TIME". Edited July 5, 2006 by Keystone Quote Link to comment
+DcCow Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 jus' waitin' for captain clorox to come to the rescue. Captain Clorox did not have clear orders from Signal the Frog to take his customary swift action in this thread. Instead, Signal has sent me, the mild-mannered moderator in a labcoat. I post to remind everyone to abide by our forum guidelines, which frown upon personal attacks and not respecting the views of others. I also reiterate the geocache listing guidelines quoted above. Adult materials are not allowed in geocaches listed on this site. Interesting, is "Adult material" defined by community standards? I think some people would be surprised at the adult material I've found in many caches here in Germany. Actually there is one very good cache close to me that is a theme cache where you can only trade adult theme items. Of course, this is a society where you can walk into just about any corner shop and see magazines/newspapers with nudity on the front cover. Quote Link to comment
+Glenn Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 jus' waitin' for captain clorox to come to the rescue. Captain Clorox did not have clear orders from Signal the Frog to take his customary swift action in this thread. Instead, Signal has sent me, the mild-mannered moderator in a labcoat. I post to remind everyone to abide by our forum guidelines, which frown upon personal attacks and not respecting the views of others. I also reiterate the geocache listing guidelines quoted above. Adult materials are not allowed in geocaches listed on this site. Interesting, is "Adult material" defined by community standards? I think some people would be surprised at the adult material I've found in many caches here in Germany. Actually there is one very good cache close to me that is a theme cache where you can only trade adult theme items. Of course, this is a society where you can walk into just about any corner shop and see magazines/newspapers with nudity on the front cover. Yes, you've got it right. In fact the wording that geocaching.com uses in its guidelines isn't adult material but illicit material. Illicit is defined as not sanctioned by custom or law. Quote Link to comment
+Seamus Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Let me first say that I'm new to geocaching and I think the idea is wonderful. I stumbled upon it in the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ. I love the idea that it's a game the whole family can enjoy...being outdoors...enjoying the fresh air (even in NJ)...spending time away from the stressful environment we call WORK. <!--graemlin:--><BR><BR>What surprised me was that there were no "Adult" geocaches?<BR><BR>I know the game is truly a Family game and it should be that way, but I'm curious if anyone came across one of those? After reading your post I did a search and only came up with two sites of such. Actually only one was a site the other was just registered to a fictious email address. [Links removed by moderator.] The second is just regiseted but the first is a site. Not much info on it. Looks like it is new. I do think there can be a good use for this by the way. It doesn't have to be porn related. How about a mini liquor bottle from an international flight? I'd be more likely to leave something like an old coin to an adult in hopes that it would travel more. Not that I am against ressurecting old threads when appropriate, but why are you folks even bothering to respond to this obvious attempt by a sock puppet troll to inject life into a 4 year old thread that is and was long dead? Because it was too hot and humid and my sinuses were giving me grief so I didn't want to go outside and play. And it's more fun than cleaning my apartment. we're just having a little, "AMOK TIME". Edited July 5, 2006 by Keystone Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Unfortunately, a resurected thread becomes current again, despite how long it lay dormant. I don't have a problem with adult stuff in caches, the issue is pretty clear to me... If I find it I will CITO it! I have never muggled a cache, but count on it, if I find one with lewd (I relate that to 'adult' in this context) intent I will CITO the whole thing. Like I said, no problem! Ed Quote Link to comment
uperdooper Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Let me first say that I'm new to geocaching and I think the idea is wonderful. I stumbled upon it in the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ. I love the idea that it's a game the whole family can enjoy...being outdoors...enjoying the fresh air (even in NJ)...spending time away from the stressful environment we call WORK. <!--graemlin:--><BR><BR>What surprised me was that there were no "Adult" geocaches?<BR><BR>I know the game is truly a Family game and it should be that way, but I'm curious if anyone came across one of those? After reading your post I did a search and only came up with two sites of such. Actually only one was a site the other was just registered to a fictious email address. [Links removed by moderator.] The second is just regiseted but the first is a site. Not much info on it. Looks like it is new. I do think there can be a good use for this by the way. It doesn't have to be porn related. How about a mini liquor bottle from an international flight? I'd be more likely to leave something like an old coin to an adult in hopes that it would travel more. Not that I am against ressurecting old threads when appropriate, but why are you folks even bothering to respond to this obvious attempt by a sock puppet troll to inject life into a 4 year old thread that is and was long dead? Because it was too hot and humid and my sinuses were giving me grief so I didn't want to go outside and play. And it's more fun than cleaning my apartment. we're just having a little, "AMOK TIME". well, they did fight over a woman. Edited July 5, 2006 by Keystone Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 We have an adult cache: Far Better than Worse. It's appropriate for all ages but geared for newlyweds and those married couples wanting to share advice. Some of the greatest advice was provided by neoc1: "The best advice I could give, after 38.5 years of marriage, is to maintain your sense of humor." "Adult Cache"...."appropriate for all ages". Got it thank you. Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Hasn't anyone wondered how someone just so happens over a 4 year old thread and just so happens to have come across a brand new site dealing with same subject? Coincidence? I think not. On another note, I don't think stealing someone's cache because of something you don't approve of is the right avenue either. It would certainly set a dangerous precedence. There are plenty of other controversial themes out there that could come under the same mind set. Quote Link to comment
+WascoZooKeeper Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Hasn't anyone wondered how someone just so happens over a 4 year old thread and just so happens to have come across a brand new site dealing with same subject? Coincidence? I think not. On another note, I don't think stealing someone's cache because of something you don't approve of is the right avenue either. It would certainly set a dangerous precedence. There are plenty of other controversial themes out there that could come under the same mind set. Don't steal the cache, just swap out the contents. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Please read the posts before responding! I said I would CITO adult (lewd) material I found in a cache, and would CITO (yup, steal, since it would be an illegally listed cache) the whole thing if it's purpose was the collection and distribution of the same. Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Please read the posts before responding! I said I would CITO adult (lewd) material I found in a cache, and would CITO (yup, steal, since it would be an illegally listed cache) the whole thing if it's purpose was the collection and distribution of the same. Would you mind defining "illegally listed"? Thank you. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Please read the posts before responding! I said I would CITO adult (lewd) material I found in a cache, and would CITO (yup, steal, since it would be an illegally listed cache) the whole thing if it's purpose was the collection and distribution of the same. Would you mind defining "illegally listed"? Thank you. Sure! From the Guidelines - Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. Food items are ALWAYS a BAD IDEA. Animals have better noses than humans, and in some cases caches have been chewed through and destroyed because food items (or items that smell like food) are in the cache. Even the presence of mint flavored dental floss has led to destruction of one cache. If the original cache contents list any of the above items or other questionable items, or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items, the cache may be disabled, and the owner of the cache will be contacted and asked to remove the questionable items before the cache is enabled. If, as I have said in two posts now, if the INTENT and PURPOSE of the cache is to collect and/or distribute 'adult' (where interpreted as lewd, lavicious or not appropriate for minors) then it's an illegally listed cache... assuming you accept the Groundspeak Guidelines to be the 'law' of geocaching. Hope that helps. Edited to add the missing word "if" Edited July 4, 2006 by TheAlabamaRambler Quote Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Please read the posts before responding! I said I would CITO adult (lewd) material I found in a cache, and would CITO (yup, steal, since it would be an illegally listed cache) the whole thing if it's purpose was the collection and distribution of the same. Actually rereading your previous post stating... I have never muggled a cache, but count on it, if I find one with lewd (I relate that to 'adult' in this context) intent I will CITO the whole thing. ...would lead someone to believe that you would use your judgement as to what is lewd and what isn't, and then if you so deemed it lewd, you would take the whole thing. "The whole thing" to most of us would consitute the cache, not just the items you judged to be lewd. *Bolds placed for emphasis by myself and not original poster. Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Please read the posts before responding! I said I would CITO adult (lewd) material I found in a cache, and would CITO (yup, steal, since it would be an illegally listed cache) the whole thing if it's purpose was the collection and distribution of the same. Actually rereading your previous post stating... I have never muggled a cache, but count on it, if I find one with lewd (I relate that to 'adult' in this context) intent I will CITO the whole thing. ...would lead someone to believe that you would use your judgement as to what is lewd and what isn't, and then if you so deemed it lewd, you would take the whole thing. "The whole thing" to most of us would consitute the cache, not just the items you judged to be lewd. *Bolds placed for emphasis by myself and not original poster. Strangely enough I was unable to find anything in the "guidelines" that mentioned it was ok for any cacher who so chooses, to take physical possession of the cache and do ____________ with it. I must have missed some small detail. "interpreted as lewd, lavicious..." by whom? Say, is there a guideline like this that applies to the 'location' of caches? As in inappropriate. Uh, make that "lascivious", I just knew that that didn't look quite right. Edited July 4, 2006 by Team Cotati Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 If, as I have said in two posts now, if the INTENT and PURPOSE of the cache is to collect and/or distribute 'adult' (where interpreted as lewd, lavicious or not appropriate for minors) then it's an illegally listed cache... assuming you accept the Groundspeak Guidelines to be the 'law' of geocaching. Hope that helps. I think there are a bunch of folks who would argue with that point. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 If, as I have said in two posts now, if the INTENT and PURPOSE of the cache is to collect and/or distribute 'adult' (where interpreted as lewd, lavicious or not appropriate for minors) then it's an illegally listed cache... assuming you accept the Groundspeak Guidelines to be the 'law' of geocaching. Hope that helps. I think there are a bunch of folks who would argue with that point. LOL, my friend, that excerpt wasn't the point, or even a point, of the post. On here folks will argue anything...even excerpted words taken completely out of context! I list on one site, get cache data from it, communicate with others on it...geocaching.com, so for me there is but one site, and Groundspeak sets the rules for it, so yes, for me, their Guidelines are the law of the land. Didn't say they had to be 'the laws' for you or anyone else, just said "assuming you accept the Groundspeak Guidelines to be the 'law' of geocaching" as I do. I may break 'em, but I don't deny their primacy on this site. Quote Link to comment
uperdooper Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) yeesh! i can't believe that there is even a discussion about this. if you don't want a small child to find it, don't put it in a cache. Edited July 5, 2006 by uperdooper Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Well, considering the resurrection of the thread was due to some completely different sites being announced dealing with caching for adults one would think different rules apply for those different sites. If you didn't cache on that site, but accidentally come across a cache listed on that site you didn't agree with, why apply Groundspeak rules to that other cache? I wholeheartedly agree Groundspeak, being the flagship of geocaching, should stand its ground on keeping its listings family friendly. But I certainly don't agree with applying those same standards to geocaching (little "g") in general. I especially don't agree with forcefully applying those guidelines by stealing someone's cache. In fact, I also think it wrong to steal someone's cache, solely listed on Groundspeak, which does not conform to Groundspeak listing guidelines especially when the violation is solely based on family-friendly issues. Of course, this is another personal property issue we're going to disagree on. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Well, considering the resurrection of the thread was due to some completely different sites being announced dealing with caching for adults one would think different rules apply for those different sites. If you didn't cache on that site, but accidentally come across a cache listed on that site you didn't agree with, why apply Groundspeak rules to that other cache? I wholeheartedly agree Groundspeak, being the flagship of geocaching, should stand its ground on keeping its listings family friendly. But I certainly don't agree with applying those same standards to geocaching (little "g") in general. I especially don't agree with forcefully applying those guidelines by stealing someone's cache. In fact, I also think it wrong to steal someone's cache, solely listed on Groundspeak, which does not conform to Groundspeak listing guidelines especially when the violation is solely based on family-friendly issues. Of course, this is another personal property issue we're going to disagree on. I don't know why I bother to reply, as you've introduced scenarios from out in left field that have nothing to do with my post. I could care less what rules other sites may have, but if I run across one of their caches I would abide by their rules. My post, and presumably this thread, deals only with 'adult' stuff in geocaching.com-listed caches. Quote Link to comment
+Vinny & Sue Team Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Well, considering the resurrection of the thread was due to some completely different sites being announced dealing with caching for adults one would think different rules apply for those different sites. If you didn't cache on that site, but accidentally come across a cache listed on that site you didn't agree with, why apply Groundspeak rules to that other cache? I wholeheartedly agree Groundspeak, being the flagship of geocaching, should stand its ground on keeping its listings family friendly. But I certainly don't agree with applying those same standards to geocaching (little "g") in general. I especially don't agree with forcefully applying those guidelines by stealing someone's cache. In fact, I also think it wrong to steal someone's cache, solely listed on Groundspeak, which does not conform to Groundspeak listing guidelines especially when the violation is solely based on family-friendly issues. Of course, this is another personal property issue we're going to disagree on. CR, thank you for saying this; I agree with you and feel that you stated this well. I happen to have zero interest in "adult" geocaches, but, to me, it seems incredibly arrogant -- for me or for any geocacher -- to force my will on any geocache (no matter where it is listed) or letterbox which I encounter in the field by confiscating it because of such differences of opinion. Kinda reminds me of the attitude of the Hawaiian poster to this forum a while back who claimed that he regularly confiscated and destroyed any and all lame micros which he encountered; to me, that is arrogant, presumptive and rude. Quote Link to comment
+CheshireFrog Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Well, considering the resurrection of the thread was due to some completely different sites being announced dealing with caching for adults one would think different rules apply for those different sites. If you didn't cache on that site, but accidentally come across a cache listed on that site you didn't agree with, why apply Groundspeak rules to that other cache? It seems to me that there might be a legal issue with leaving porn where kids might find it, but I really don't know what the legalities of the situation might be. Suffice it to say that if I did find porn in cache listed on this site I'd report it to the cache owner, and to TPTB if it looked like that were the purpose or theme of the cache, and I'd CITO the offensive material. Just to be clear, offensive would be defined by anything I don't want my daughter to find in a cache. This issue is largely a paper dragon, as I've never seen anything remotely offensive in a cache. Quote Link to comment
+KBI Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 ... On another note, I don't think stealing someone's cache because of something you don't approve of is the right avenue either. It would certainly set a dangerous precedence. I wholeheartedly agree Groundspeak, being the flagship of geocaching, should stand its ground on keeping its listings family friendly. But I certainly don't agree with applying those same standards to geocaching (little "g") in general. I especially don't agree with forcefully applying those guidelines by stealing someone's cache. In fact, I also think it wrong to steal someone's cache, solely listed on Groundspeak, which does not conform to Groundspeak listing guidelines ... I agree. I can see why you might think taking someone's cache without permission would be wrong, CR. It would probably also upset the poor cache owner, who might even refer to it as a "theft." Even when there's an obvious problem with a cache, I don't think stealing someone's cache because of something you don't approve of is the right avenue either. It would certainly set a dangerous precedent. Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) It would certainly set a dangerous precedent. In the interest of being sensitive of the present political state of geocaching in South Carolina, I won't embarrass you with the facts. Let's just leave it with you're not even comparing your apple with any sort vegetative matter. If anyone is interested in the reason I'm not responding to KBI's allusions in a public forum, PM me. Let's move on. EDIT: removed certain links. Edited July 5, 2006 by CoyoteRed Quote Link to comment
+ParrotRobAndCeCe Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) nevermind Edited July 5, 2006 by ParrotRob Quote Link to comment
+KBI Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 In the interest of being sensitive of the present political state of geocaching in South Carolina, I won't embarrass you with the facts. Go ahead and embarrass me! Was that cache in a cemetery? If not, then isn't "the present political state of geocaching in South Carolina" a pretty weak defense for taking someone else's cache without permission? If anyone is interested in the reason I'm not responding to KBI's allusions in a public forum, PM me. I don't blame you. Backpedaling in private is a lot more comfortable than owning up to your contradictions in the public forum. Quote Link to comment
+ParrotRobAndCeCe Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rusty:<BR> I did a quick search though and came up with this one:<BR><BR><A HREF="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=880" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=880</A><BR><BR>It's a cache hidden on or near a nudist resort, not sure which. Is that appropriate?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>This cache is in Vermont, a state that is cold most of the year. I presume you would avoid the nudists if you visited the cache outside the summer months, unless the nudists here have lots of natural insulating material on their bodies. Or unless, of course, the nudists are the ones FINDING the cache. Edited July 5, 2006 by ParrotRob Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Go ahead and embarrass me! As much as it would thrill me, the consequences of such so far out weight the gain it's not even contemplative. Considering the sheer number of a man hours expended I will not jeopardize my fellow geocachers hard work and I ask you again to drop it. Quote Link to comment
+Old Bet Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) I did not read all of the responses, so maybe this was said: Given the problems we already have with some land managers and other officials, can you imagine the setback to geocaching if someone found an adult (i.e. X-rated) cache and complained about it? And it won't matter if the offending (to some) cache is listed on gc.com or not. To the outside world, a cache is a cache is a cache. Edited July 5, 2006 by The Old Bet Brigade Quote Link to comment
+ParrotRobAndCeCe Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 In the interest of being sensitive of the present political state of geocaching in South Carolina, I won't embarrass you with the facts. Go ahead and embarrass me! Was that cache in a cemetery? If not, then isn't "the present political state of geocaching in South Carolina" a pretty weak defense for taking someone else's cache without permission? You would expect someone who so vehemently condemns the purloining of others' caches to eschew the practice himself. But then again, you'd expect someone who adamantly opposes the placement of, say, micros, to not be in the business of contributing to the profileration of same. But hey, some people are just mysteries that can't be figured out. Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 You would expect someone who so vehemently condemns the purloining of others' caches to eschew the practice himself. Yes, you would. You would also be right that I do "eschew the practice" myself. Contrary to what Grandpa Alex says, I didn't steal his cache. As much as I despise GA's caches that he has placed here, I'm not about to go around pulling them just because I don't like them. Otherwise, he wouldn't have any here at all. Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 ...you'd expect someone who adamantly opposes the placement of, say, micros... I forgot to address this figment of your imagination. There, I just did. Quote Link to comment
Mushtang Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 You would expect someone who so vehemently condemns the purloining of others' caches to eschew the practice himself. Yes, you would. You would also be right that I do "eschew the practice" myself. Contrary to what Grandpa Alex says, I didn't steal his cache. WHAT? I'm sorry dude, but you DID take the cache. In your log you say, "I took the liberty of removing this cache". In Granpa Alex's reply on his cache page he makes it clear that you were not asked to remove it, and you were acting on your own. So when you say: ... On another note, I don't think stealing someone's cache because of something you don't approve of is the right avenue either. It would certainly set a dangerous precedence. and I wholeheartedly agree Groundspeak, being the flagship of geocaching, should stand its ground on keeping its listings family friendly. But I certainly don't agree with applying those same standards to geocaching (little "g") in general. I especially don't agree with forcefully applying those guidelines by stealing someone's cache. In fact, I also think it wrong to steal someone's cache, solely listed on Groundspeak, which does not conform to Groundspeak listing guidelines ... then what you really mean is "it's wrong for other people to steal caches that they don't agree with, but if I, CoyoteRed, all knowing cacher of what is best for the hobby and self appointed cache police, doesn't approve of a cache, then it's okay for ME to forcefully apply the guidelines by stealing it". Quote Link to comment
+Katydid & Miles Stone Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Doesn't this mean it's a cache for adults? Quote Link to comment
+TheManInStripes Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Wouldn't leaving Metamucil, Dentucreme and Depends change a "family" cache to an "adult" cache? Not if you left a bottle of FLinstone Vitamins too!! Quote Link to comment
4wheelin_fool Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 You would expect someone who so vehemently condemns the purloining of others' caches to eschew the practice himself. Yes, you would. You would also be right that I do "eschew the practice" myself. Contrary to what Grandpa Alex says, I didn't steal his cache. WHAT? I'm sorry dude, but you DID take the cache. In your log you say, "I took the liberty of removing this cache". In Granpa Alex's reply on his cache page he makes it clear that you were not asked to remove it, and you were acting on your own. So when you say: ... On another note, I don't think stealing someone's cache because of something you don't approve of is the right avenue either. It would certainly set a dangerous precedence. and I wholeheartedly agree Groundspeak, being the flagship of geocaching, should stand its ground on keeping its listings family friendly. But I certainly don't agree with applying those same standards to geocaching (little "g") in general. I especially don't agree with forcefully applying those guidelines by stealing someone's cache. In fact, I also think it wrong to steal someone's cache, solely listed on Groundspeak, which does not conform to Groundspeak listing guidelines ... then what you really mean is "it's wrong for other people to steal caches that they don't agree with, but if I, CoyoteRed, all knowing cacher of what is best for the hobby and self appointed cache police, doesn't approve of a cache, then it's okay for ME to forcefully apply the guidelines by stealing it". The cache was archived and not picked up by the owner. He removed it and offered to return it. That is not stealing. Quote Link to comment
+BomberJjr Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I can't imagine people making caches that turn away any group of people. I think as long as its on groudspeak's website, caches won't go that way. The pretty sure after a few complaints, it would get pulled, that is if it ever even got approved in the first place. Quote Link to comment
+TheManInStripes Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 There are plenty of other controversial themes out there that could come under the same mind set. YOu mean like all the film canisters hidden at the base of lampposts in shopping mall parking lots? Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 There are plenty of other controversial themes out there that could come under the same mind set. YOu mean like all the film canisters hidden at the base of lampposts in shopping mall parking lots? No, the topic is 'adult' content, which I interpret in this context to mean lewd and therefore not appropriate for all geocachers, making them fall outside the Groundspeak Listing Guidelines. That's clearly different than a cache you don't like. Quote Link to comment
Mushtang Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 The cache was archived and not picked up by the owner. He removed it and offered to return it. That is not stealing. What is your definition of stealing? The cache didn't belong to CR, the owner didn't want CR to have it, the owner didn't ask CR to go pick it up for him, and CR took it anyway. CR made it quite clear that taking someone else's cache because it wasn't something you approve of, to forcefully apply the guidelines to someone else, or because it doesn't conform to the guidelines is WRONG, even though he does it himself. So I think it's very fair to ask CR why he thinks it's okay that he stole a cache he didn't approve of. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) ...you'd expect someone who adamantly opposes the placement of, say, micros...I forgot to address this figment of your imagination. There, I just did.I had a little time on my hands, so I took a read of CR's posts. I must admit that he has frequently stated that it wasn't just micros that he was against, but lame micros. (Although he did speak out against micros specifically over 20 times in the last 18 months.) After reading so many of his posts, I need a shower. I feel dirty. What I also noticed is that he consistently takes a stance that his way is the right way and that the game should change to please him, I guess many of us do that. He won't see this post, because he's ignoring me. Please don't quote me or he'll see it. No sense bothering him with one of my posts. Edited July 5, 2006 by sbell111 Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 The topic of this thread is "adult materials in geocaches." It is not a thread for discussing "lame micros," whether it's appropriate to remove caches other than in the context of "adult materials," etc. Please, no more off-topic posts, or those posting will be warned to exit the thread. Thank you. Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Let me first say that I'm new to geocaching and I think the idea is wonderful. I stumbled upon it in the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ. I love the idea that it's a game the whole family can enjoy...being outdoors...enjoying the fresh air (even in NJ)...spending time away from the stressful environment we call WORK. <!--graemlin:--><BR><BR>What surprised me was that there were no "Adult" geocaches?<BR><BR>I know the game is truly a Family game and it should be that way, but I'm curious if anyone came across one of those? I have never come across one of those. The game ought to remain family friendly. Therefore such contents ought to not be placed into caches listed on this site. Quote Link to comment
+Jhwk Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Let me first say that I'm new to geocaching and I think the idea is wonderful. I stumbled upon it in the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ. I love the idea that it's a game the whole family can enjoy...being outdoors...enjoying the fresh air (even in NJ)...spending time away from the stressful environment we call WORK. <!--graemlin:--><BR><BR>What surprised me was that there were no "Adult" geocaches?<BR><BR>I know the game is truly a Family game and it should be that way, but I'm curious if anyone came across one of those? I have never come across one of those. The game ought to remain family friendly. Therefore such contents ought to not be placed into caches listed on this site. agree. the pron industry and products carry such a stigma with them that I do not think they would be appropriate for this sport. Even if you made it a member-only, ultra top secret, double puzzle 5/5 cache, some kid, somewhere will find it and then TPTB will be explaining it to some mainstream media talking head. Detrimental to the good order and discipline of the sport. I'm all for expanding the activity, lets just keep the expansion acceptable. nice dig on an old thread though! Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 There are plenty of other controversial themes out there that could come under the same mind set. YOu mean like all the film canisters hidden at the base of lampposts in shopping mall parking lots? Hardly. Caches put out by the Boy Scouts can cause a firestorm here in the forums because of their beliefs. Look, what I'm saying is just because you don't agree with a theme doesn't mean you can go around stealing them. Next thing you know caches with McToys are being stolen because someone has some beef with McDonalds. What about folks who don't like organized religion, they could use the same mind set to steal caches placed by the Sunday school class. Let me remind you that themes you don't agree with are a lot different than caches that could land the cache owner or the finders in front of a judge, among other things. Quote Link to comment
+RichardMoore Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Doesn't this mean it's a cache for adults? Not necessarily. I see that as more based on the terrain or accessibility to the cache. There are simply some areas where you may not want to take small children. For example, I seem to recall someone having a cache hidden in a swamp. An adult would have a difficult time getting to the cache, so I don't believe you would want to take a child there. Quote Link to comment
+Navyg8tor Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Next thing you know caches with McToys are being stolen because someone has some beef with McDonalds. Beef? at Mcdonalds, you have to be kidding me. Quote Link to comment
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