Censors on the Job

September 10, 2003

It's so nice that we have the Geocaching censors on the job. We certainly wouldn't want children or other succeptable folks accidently viewing such materials. Who knows what they might do, go to church or pray!

Well Done Tarindel!

July 19 by Tarindel (13 found)

Catan, myself, and two guests found this one easily. Think we came up the back way, as we started near the lagoon and came over the top of the hill. I can imagine this area is very pretty in the springtime -- in summer most everything is dead. Definately check out the top of the hill while you are here. TNLN, except for some religious propaganda I removed.

Mickey

Max Entropy

More than just a name, a lifestyle.

5.9k · September 10, 2003

I've long been of the opinion, it it isn't any of your business, then leave it alone. Nonetheless, some believe it is their responsibility to "protect" others since they are so F'ing superior.

Oh well, doen't let it get to you.

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September 10, 2003

Leaving rosary beads, a bible or necklace with a religious symbol is one thing but I myself consider 'religious propaganda' such as pamphlets and flyers to be advertising that violates the non-commercial nature of geocaching.

September 10, 2003

Boy now this thread could really start a "discussion"!! LOL

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1.6k · September 10, 2003

Agree with Kordite.

The items mentioned are intrinsically valuable and have meaning. A figure of Vishnu means much more to a Hindu than it does to me, but I can appreciate it for what it is. A rosary isn't part of my church, but I am aware of its significance to others.

Pamphlets and tracts are just not in the same league.

"Half this game is ninety percent mental." Danny Ozark

1.1k · September 10, 2003

I've found religious material in caches many times in all areas of the country, and certainly more often in the South. I've never removed any of it even though I never "subscribed" to any of the messages, but in any case it's never stopped me from signing the log and logging the find on gc.com. If someone else wants to "spread the word", and if someone else wants to remove that material when they visit, as long as the cache remains in place it's no skin off my back.

My $.02 FWIW...

-Dave R. in Biloxi

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by bigredmed:
Agree with Kordite.

The items mentioned are intrinsically valuable and have meaning. A figure of Vishnu means much more to a Hindu than it does to me, but I can appreciate it for what it is. A rosary isn't part of my church, but I am aware of its significance to others.

Pamphlets and tracts are just not in the same league.

"Half this game is ninety percent mental." Danny Ozark

I agree with the where "does it stop" aspect, but why would someone leave a bible or beads in a cache. I am not catholic or born again or anything like that, me and the fam are walking down a path and are approached by two ppl asking us if we have been saved and stuff. I was totally pi**ed off! I guess, once again it's just me, but I don't see the point of leaving such items in a cache.

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September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by MaxEntropy:
It's so nice that we have the Geocaching censors on the job. We certainly wouldn't want children or other succeptable folks accidently viewing such materials. Who knows what they might do, go to church or pray!

Well Done Tarindel!

Turn it around - if you found literature for a belief system you found offensive, would you want to accessible for your children?

There's extreme views pretty much regardless of whether we're taking religion, politics, heck, football... While many religious items are no doubt perfectly fine, I can easily think of examples that most all of us would prefer to not come across.

Without knowing more, I'm not ready to condemn anyone.

Ron/yumitori

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5k · September 10, 2003

Thank you, Tarindel.

Jamie

September 10, 2003

What a burden it must be to be Perfect. I couldn't image the responsibility it must be to have to be constantly be "protecting" everyone from themselves.

I have a few questions:

1. Does Seperation of Church and State extend to Geocaching?

2. Does Freedom OF Religion equate to Freedom FROM Religion?

3. Are people who feel they have to protect everyone really that arrogant?

Frank

1.7k · September 10, 2003

Interesting how all of the pro-religion people who've responded to this thread have jumped on the "protection" bandwagon. Tarindel certainly didn't say anything about "protecting" anyone. I'll leave it up to you to decide what that says about your own insecurities as regards your faith.

There's a much more pragmatic reason for removing tracts (and other advertising) from caches: when paper gets wet, it gets slimy and moldy. I can't think of a single time I've found advertising materials in a cache that they weren't about halfway back to being wood pulp. In one memorable cache, the mold had spread to the point that it destroyed a CD-R someone had left in the cache (somehow the mold got under the aluminum layer.)

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September 10, 2003

If it's not your cache, then leave it there.

If you really feel it has to be dealt with, notify the owner of the cache and he can decide whether or not to remove it.

You could make a case that even the "Cache in Trash out" "propaganda" is telling people what to do.

It seems funny to me that you could put a little pamphlet about the importance of carseats and bicycle helmets for childrens' safety, but if you try to "Save a person's soul" it immediately becomes offensive.

Is it really that hard to just ignore it when people excercise a little bit of freedom?

If you put in a Harry Potter comic book or something, should I remove and rip it up because I consider equivalent to espousing witchcraft? (NOTE: "I" is used rhetorically).

Or do you think that everyone else is too weak minded to resist religious propaganda?

BTW, the "commercialism" connection is weak.

If there were a donation envelope for a particular organization (Like PBS?), then it might be different.

If it offends you, but isn't going to offend most reasonable people, just leave it alone.

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy:There's a much more pragmatic reason for removing tracts (and other advertising) from caches: when paper gets wet, it gets slimy and moldy. I can't think of a single time I've found advertising materials in a cache that they weren't about halfway back to being wood pulp

I guess that means there shouldn't be a logbook either then.

I have taken to carrying ziplock bags wiyth me because the seams wear out, and I have run into a few damp logbooks.

I wish people would be more careful about not getting dirt, leaves & branches caught in the seal on ammo boxes and such.

I'm not advising anyone to put any kind of literature in a cache, and actually I'm against it. I'm also against removing something just because I might find it offensive, unless I'm quite sure that most people would find it offensive, or would not want their kids to access it (like a pornographic picture or something).

I find it offensive when people drop little religious tracts that look like a wadded up dollar (or more) bill, or tracts that don't

have that disguise... but that's because I'm very offended by people who litter. If I see a tract on the ground, it goes into the trash.

Lastly, I consider tracts largely a waste of effort & resources. In order to convince another person of your viewpoint you do so by building a relationship and by example. A piece of paper is not adequate to express the fullness of a life with Christ. Also, if you build relationships just to espouse your views, then you are being deceitful, in reality.

If you want to reach people, then first get to know people. If the opportunity to try to share with them never occurs, and you consider that it was all a waste of time, then you should examine your motives.

In other words, just be real. I would not put tracts in a cache because I don't believe the cache to be the proper vehicle for evangelism. If someone else does, then that's fine, and it's not my place to take stuff out of the cache, unless I trade something of equal value (and I would base the value on what it was worth to the person who placed it).

So I figure, if I take six religious tracts (I actually knew an atheist friend who collected them), I would figure that's about $1.50 value.

Maybe I took them to put with my tip on a restaraunt table. Maybe I just wanted to read them. Maybe I will use them to line my bird cage. But if I take them, it's not because I think they shouldn't be there... it's not my place to police or regulate other people's caches, unless they are in clear violation of the Groundspeak/Geocaching.com guidelines.

Some people don't know that Altoids Breath Strips shouldn't be placed in a cache where rats, mice, or other animals might catch the scent (though they can't get into an ammo box, so it's not always an issue).

Some people may not think religious propaganda could be offensive to someone.

But the question is: what harm will it really cause? A pocket knife folds... low risk. A hunting knife is deployed, could cause an injury.

But Prozac... maybe every cache needs some.

"I'm not Responsible... just ask my wife, She'll confirm it"

[This message was edited by Mark 42 on September 10, 2003 at 02:04 PM.]

1.2k · September 10, 2003

It is becoming nearly impossible to do anything in this day and age without offending someone.

Since when did the constitution have an ammendment that forbids offending anyone, anyway?

Come to think of it, that's not even one of the ten commandments either....

"Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life.

4.1k · September 10, 2003

Hey, I thought the idea behind GEOCACHING is if you take something out of a cache, you place something into the cache, period.

This means even if something is offensive..like food, a knife, beer, or....pamphlets, remove it BUT & I stress BUT, leave something in it's place. Do not punish the cache owner by reducing the cache content!

Shirley of 2oldfarts

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5.9k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy:
Interesting how all of the pro-religion people who've responded to this thread have jumped on the "protection" bandwagon. Tarindel certainly didn't say anything about "protecting" anyone. I'll leave it up to you to decide what that says about your own insecurities as regards your faith.

There's a much more pragmatic reason for removing tracts (and other advertising) from caches: when paper gets wet, it gets slimy and moldy. I can't think of a single time I've found advertising materials in a cache that they weren't about halfway back to being wood pulp. In one memorable cache, the mold had spread to the point that it destroyed a CD-R someone had left in the cache (somehow the mold got under the aluminum layer.)

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I don’t consider myself “pro-religion” at all. The fact is that a cacher removed an item that cannot be considered offensive or dangerous. Porn would be considered offensive and guns, bullets, or fireworks would be considered dangerous. Beyond that, if it worries you, send the cache owner an email.

Question: If the cache owner placed that material, would your opinion be the same?

Additionally, I saw nothing that said the material were “tracts” or even paper at all. The “religious propaganda” could have been anything, Buddha figurine, beads, cross, St Christopher medal, or what have you. It could have even been Harry Potter material as mentioned above. The best way to handle it is to MYO dadgum B.

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1.7k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
I guess that means there shouldn't be a logbook either then.

I have taken to carrying ziplock bags wiyth me because the seams wear out, and I have run into a few damp logbooks.

I've run into a few pulpy logbooks, too, but they're actually less common because they're usually in a ziploc of their own. If the other stuff's in a ziploc at all, it's usually in there with all of the trade items and one of them has long ago put a hole in the bag. More often than not, though, it's just floating around free in the cache container.

I actually carry a spare logbook with me these days, just for those cases.

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3k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by The Rocket Pack:
Boy now this thread could really start a "discussion"!! LOL

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-Thomas Jefferson_

Really it's already been discussed over and over and over and over. Search using the word religious and you shall find. If someone doesn't like it, don't read it. Plain and simple. I certainly don't pick up pamphlets. I want McToys!!

Cache you later,

Planet

So many caches, so little time.

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy:
Interesting how all of the pro-religion people who've responded to this thread have jumped on the "protection" bandwagon. Tarindel certainly didn't say anything about "protecting" anyone. I'll leave it up to you to decide what that says about your own insecurities as regards your faith.

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Hmmn... I find it interesting people have to put titles on people. For the record, I am only Pro-America. Traveling around the entire globe has given me strong appreciation for our country. Religon has nothing to do with my comments. I get concerned when others feel compelled to exercise thier right so that they can deny me my rights.

Those who feel the need to remove items they find offensive from caches invariably have an agenda when they remove items.

Swapping items is a different topic. I've made my opinion very clear. Rules as listed on this web site are for the web pages, they are guidelines for the game. There is nothing that GC.com can do to someone who puts a website listed restricted item into a cache if they post TNLNSL. If this isn't true, I ask that you show me how is isn't.

ps.. I'm not from Missouri!

4.1k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Criminal:

I don’t consider myself “pro-religion” at all. The fact is that a cacher removed an item that cannot be considered offensive or dangerous. Porn would be considered offensive and guns, bullets, or fireworks would be considered dangerous. Beyond that, if it worries you, send the cache owner an email.

Question: If the cache owner placed that material, would your opinion be the same?

Additionally, I saw nothing that said the material were “tracts” or even paper at all. The “religious propaganda” could have been anything, Buddha figurine, beads, cross, St Christopher medal, or what have you. It could have even been Harry Potter material as mentioned above. The best way to handle it is to MYO dadgum B.

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September 10, 2003

I don't think a cache is a good place to pimp your religion, I don't think my front door at 9am is a good place either (the difference being it doesn't bother me in a cache). I know where to find information for any religion I'm interested in, so to me, these pamphlets are as useful as spam in my inbox, or an old golf ball in a cache.

If you saw pamphlets for witchcraft, or paganism etc. and would be appalled enough to remove it, than you shouldn't be putting your own personal belief pamphlets in a cache, it is exactly the same thing.

I have seen religious propaganda in caches, but have never felt the need to remove it, I see it as people trying to share something that makes them happy, I still think it's inappropriate, given the strong feelings people have about the subject.

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2.3k · September 10, 2003

Forget about the religious pamphlets, golf balls are offensive to me.

2.3k · September 10, 2003

or worse yet, how bout dat froggy?

September 10, 2003

Somehow, I don't quite know how, but somehow I find it ironic that a group of people who are most intent on telling others the correct way to live their lives (the devotely religious) are the ones who would voice the most concern about someone removing religious materials from a cache.

With that said, I've come across religious stuff I had no interest in, I left it where it was and moved on. My girlfriend, however, she usually burns the whole cache as a sacrafice to her gods.

Pan

What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by TEAM 360:
or worse yet, how bout dat froggy? <SNIP>

Sorry, the frog was offensive and I had to remove it. Smiley's are appropriate!

[This message was edited by Romad_Pilot on September 10, 2003 at 02:37 PM.]

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Pantalaimon:
With that said, I've come across religious stuff I had no interest in, I left it where it was and moved on. My girlfriend, however, she usually burns the whole cache as a sacrafice to her gods.

Pan

As long as it's a Politically Correct Omnipotent Supreme being, Good for her!

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Romad_Pilot:

quote:
Originally posted by Pantalaimon:
With that said, I've come across religious stuff I had no interest in, I left it where it was and moved on. My girlfriend, however, she usually burns the whole cache as a sacrafice to her gods.

Pan

As long as it's a Politically Correct Unisex Omnipotent Supreme being, Good for her!

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by TEAM 360:
or worse yet, how bout dat froggy?

Embrace the 'Nanner

24.7k · September 10, 2003

Speaking of Buzz Words.

Pimp, Propoganda? I'm seeing more of the anti-religion pimping and propoganda in this thread than vice versa.

September 10, 2003

I wonder if the pro-religiouos propoganda chaps would themselves refrain from 'protecting' people if there were satan worshiping artifacts in a cache? Though having said that I think to use a cache in this way is quite cool.

Simple solution to religious items in caches though - swap it for a copy of The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins, see the true light as it were

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade Knight:
Speaking of Buzz Words.

Pimp, Propoganda? I'm seeing more of the anti-religion pimping and propoganda in this thread than vice versa.

Thank goodness for that.

We're trying to balance it out with what we're subjected to in the caches.

Pan

What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

2.1k · September 10, 2003

Who cares if they leave their little tracts or what not. If someone wants one then they will take it. If someone is offended by it, then look the other way. I don't condone them in caches, but I don't see the big deal. Unless there is something that is outright offensive (as someone put about like a pornographic picture), then one shouldn't be offended by the tract. Does one get offended when they pass another religions temple? The way I look at it is that religions are like brands. It would be like saying someone got offended because I put one brand of product in a cache over another. If you don't want that brand, skip it. Of course it's all up to the cache owner. They can remove what they feel fit. Advise them and let them deal with it.

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

1.7k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:
Unless there is something that is outright offensive (as someone put about like a pornographic picture), then one shouldn't be offended by the tract.

Hey, porn is my religion! Don't go dissing my religion!

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September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade Knight:
Speaking of Buzz Words.

Pimp, Propoganda? I'm seeing more of the anti-religion pimping and propoganda in this thread than vice versa.

Would you like to remove those words from my post and prove my point?

I am not anti or pro religion, I am anti-pimping your religious propaganda in inappropriate places. That is my opinion, which is what your looking for when starting a thread like this, and I was stating my opinion only.

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9.4k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy:
Hey, porn is my religion! Don't go dissing my religion!

Church of the holy nipple?

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:
Unless there is something that is outright offensive (as someone put about like a pornographic picture), then one shouldn't be offended by the tract.

Wouldn't a religous tract do more damage to ones "soul" than perhaps a.... Knife? I mean, a cut will heal, but once your soul is damaged....!

BTW... I'm looking for the humorous slant, in case anyone feels like I'm slighting them!

I stand with martmann in this thread

1.6k · September 10, 2003

How does that old saying go?

"Never talk about religion or politics at a party."

Keep your views to yourself and everybody will be happy.

CR

September 10, 2003

Seperation of Church and Geocaching

"Following animal paths may make the bushwacking a little easier, but probably won't pay off in the long run, since deer tend not to geocache much." - Geocacher Peeve on the Vaught Ranch Bushwackin Fun (B.D. #2) cache

September 10, 2003

Leaving pamphlets or tracts of a promotional nature in a Geocaching.com listed cache is not appropriate, and I think it is disrespectful to Geocaching.com, who has made it clear that they do not want their site used as a promotional instrument by anyone. On the other hand, I do not have much respect for “self appointed” censors either, particularly those who brag about it.

I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Pantalaimon:
With that said, I've come across religious stuff I had no interest in, I left it where it was and moved on. My girlfriend, however, she usually burns the whole cache as a sacrifice to her gods.

Pan

That must be what happened to the Alyssa cache...

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2.1k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Romad_Pilot:

quote:
Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:
Unless there is something that is outright offensive (as someone put about like a pornographic picture), then one shouldn't be offended by the tract.

Wouldn't a religous tract do more damage to ones "soul" than perhaps a.... Knife? I mean, a cut will heal, but once your soul is damaged....!

BTW... I'm looking for the humorous slant, in case anyone feels like I'm slighting them!

I stand with martmann in this thread

Actually the paper cut that one could get from those tracts would hurt more than the little knives left in caches....lol

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

2.1k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Sissy-n-CR:
How does that old saying go?

_"Never talk about religion or politics at a party."_

Keep your views to yourself and everybody will be happy.

CR

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Ah well if we did that, then we wouldn't be posting on the forum...ooops!

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

24.7k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by martmann:
...Would you like to remove those words from my post and prove my point?

I am not anti or pro religion, I am anti-pimping your religious propaganda in inappropriate places...

Actually I don't get that first point since I don't recall doing anything but stating my own opinion.

Pimping and Propoganda are carefully selected words which when used as they were used in this thread are clearly against religion in general and not just the tracts in a cache. Maybe I misunderstood.

There is only one truth but a thousand spins that reveal the unlerlying bias (we are all biased) A quick read in the news media reveals that, so does Pimp and Propoganda. For example You might want to introduce your sister to a friend who would treat her right, but if you had any respect for your sister you wouldn't pimp her out or even call your effort to introduce her pimping just for kicks. Words have power.

As for me, I'm anti tract of any kind under my windsheild wiper. Tracts in caches though are valid in my book as a signature item. But if it's a signature item it should be clearly stated. No skulking. "I left the Gospel According to John in the cache and took nothing" If you collect signature items and hate the pimping of religiuse propaganda, I guess that's a different dilema.

September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:
Actually the paper cut that one could get from those tracts would hurt more than the little knives left in caches....lol

Brian

And it hurts like you know what of you get lemon juice in the cut!

September 10, 2003

I have seen on several occasions regligous based trade items. In fact, we have taken a couple (home made wooden cross, angel air fresheners, etc.).

We practice no set religion, but like I have said before, I only take something if it really stands out to me, and the home made cross was great!

I have seen the pamphlets, too, but never took one. In fact, I never gave it much thought.

You see, I have religious cachers in the area, and these items were placed by the owner, so I am intent on leaving it that way.

On other finds, I have seen those items as a trade by some of the locals, and I thought they were well thought of.

I don't see in any way that these (super fine people to say the least) are trying to beat religion into us via geocaching. As I'm not sure if the same goes on elswhere.

You will see a vast array of opinions concerning religious items, but let's stick with the matter at hand.

Someone removed the "ooh" naughty naughty, and justifiable or not, they should have approached it a different way. For instance, "Took the religious items and left a dollar". Then the person simply take the propaganda and throw it away instead of making a big deal (as it is starting to be).

Courtesy to cachers (wether hiders or finders) is important.

There are many options regarding this matter to make it easier on all.

Yup. That's MY goat!

September 10, 2003

I'm not a religious person,but I did find a "get out of hell free" card in a recent cache.

...I traded for it "just in case"

2.1k · September 10, 2003

Someone also mentioned items that signify things..i.e rosary beads adn etc. Well apparantly the tracts are just as important to them as rosary beads are to some. They've been handed out for years and will still be handed out and left in places. I don't think a religous item, ie.. rosary beads has any more right in a cache than a tract.

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

5.9k · September 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Sissy-n-CR:
How does that old saying go?

_"Never talk about religion or politics at a party."_

Keep your views to yourself and everybody will be happy.

CR

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Party? If this is a party, why ain't I drunk damnit? Somebody get me a dadgum drink!

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September 10, 2003

I've got my opinion on this, but like my religious beliefs, I'm going to keep it to myself...

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September 10, 2003

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On the other hand, I do not have much respect for “self appointed” censors either, particularly those who brag about it.

Now wait just a doggone minute there, seneca. I removed an AOL disk from a cache once and bragged about it in the log. I described the removal as a public service. Are you saying you don't respect me because of that? I don't like to use smileys, so you'll have to use your imagination, here.

But in all seriousness (tongue thrust seriously into cheek) I have a solution for the problem of variably offensive material in caches. In each region of the country, establish a cache like World's Worst Cache to act as a repository for all items anyone doesn't think are appropriate cache contents. The logs for this cache are hilarious and it could be really entertaining to expand the scope ofthe idea to include religious tracts, political pamphlets, Dukakis buttons, rosaries, runestones, tapes of Rush Limbaugh, etc etc etc.

Come to think of it, World's Worst Cache doesn’t have and AOL disk. Hmmm I might have to get down there soon to rectify the situation.

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