Youtube geocaching videos

2k · November 1, 2011

Inserting my 2p: It means no interest in knowingly annoying cache owners most of the time.

Whereas obviously Sven's interest is quite the opposite, right?

You may be somewhere in the middle.

9.1k · November 2, 2011

Whereas obviously Sven's interest is quite the opposite, right?

You Sven may be somewhere in the middle.

Fixed that for ya

November 2, 2011

Whereas obviously Sven's interest is quite the opposite, right?

You Sven may be somewhere in the middle.

Fixed that for ya

You see The Great Pumpkin last night?

2k · November 2, 2011

Whereas obviously Sven's interest is quite the opposite, right?

You may be somewhere in the middle.

Fixed that for ya

I fixed it back. I have a fairly good idea who's doing the typing across the ocean.

9.1k · November 2, 2011

I fixed it back. I have a fairly good idea who's doing the typing across the ocean.

(pst, as do I - just making a joke )

November 11, 2011

Victory for common sense great result. Thanks for all your help.

Although Sven is unbanned he cannot login to the forums yet? Assume it takes some time for the systems to update:

[#1000] You are not allowed to visit this forum.

Shame it's dark, he's bouncing around the room and ready for a weekends caching.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Cup.

10.2k · November 11, 2011

Victory for common sense great result. Thanks for all your help.

Although Sven is unbanned he cannot login to the forums yet? Assume it takes some time for the systems to update:

[#1000] You are not allowed to visit this forum.

Shame it's dark, he's bouncing around the room and ready for a weekends caching.

That might actually take all weekend. Not that I've ever returned from having a locked account, but have seen other "account changes" that don't update in the forums very fast.

So was the 1 month duration over, or is he getting out on parole a few days early?

November 11, 2011

So was the 1 month duration over, or is he getting out on parole a few days early?

A week ago Groundspeak phoned Sven and said that the legal chap was back from vacation. He had looked over section 4(m) and confirmed that he hadn't broken any terms.

They offered him additional premium member time added and being unbanned, BUT said they would be changing the terms to say what they should have said....And if Sven then didn't remove the content he would be banned again.

So...

He did nothing wrong.

He was banned.

The goalposts were now being moved.

and he'd be banned if he didn't adhere.

So, whilst it was detrimental to his caching experience he stuck to his guns on principal and the ban then became indefinate.

Then yesterday out of the blue another phonecall to indicate they'd changed their mind....So now he's unbanned.

2k · November 11, 2011

Glad to see rationality and logic prevailed.

Now perhaps we can work on getting Sven to do a better job of working with cache owner in the spirit of geocaching.

November 13, 2011

So...

He did nothing wrong. ...

Legally, perhaps. Violating the spirit of geocaching, guilty as hell IMO. Still waiting to see in the new vids anything about "yes, I have the cache owners permission."

Legally one can show how magic tricks are done, or reveal what happens to Frodo, or pull the beard off Santa. And if viewers want to view it, spoil the magic and ruin the intended effect of the authors/creators, they may. But it's not a good thing, and I for one appreciate Groundspeak's efforts to discourage it.

(two cents deposited) (porn/love comparison deleted)

November 21, 2011

A group of students here at MSSU in Joplin, Mo, have been working on geocaching podcasts, and most recently, a vodcast (YouTube video)about the steps cachers follow to find a cache. We filmed footage of our group "finding" a cache, but it was not a real cache, we just placed it moments before "finding" it. The cache page we showed in the video is real, it is a cache we actually placed here on campus, only the location shown in the video is faked.

10.2k · November 21, 2011

A group of students here at MSSU in Joplin, Mo, have been working on geocaching podcasts, and most recently, a vodcast (YouTube video)about the steps cachers follow to find a cache. We filmed footage of our group "finding" a cache, but it was not a real cache, we just placed it moments before "finding" it. The cache page we showed in the video is real, it is a cache we actually placed here on campus, only the location shown in the video is faked.

Very nice, well done. I've listened to a couple of the podcasts, and am following you on Twitter.

As far as Sven, has he posted any Geocache spoilers on Florida caches yet? Can't wait to see what, if anything happens there, if and when he takes them to a new continent.

10.2k · November 21, 2011

So...

He did nothing wrong. ...

Legally, perhaps. Violating the spirit of geocaching, guilty as hell IMO. Still waiting to see in the new vids anything about "yes, I have the cache owners permission."

Legally one can show how magic tricks are done, or reveal what happens to Frodo, or pull the beard off Santa. And if viewers want to view it, spoil the magic and ruin the intended effect of the authors/creators, they may. But it's not a good thing, and I for one appreciate Groundspeak's efforts to discourage it.

(two cents deposited) (porn/love comparison deleted)

I'm still quite shocked Groundspeak backed down. These are other people's caches, posted to the internet, without permission. Like, for example, the recent one where you had to touch wires to a AA battery. How many such caches can there possibly be like this in Sven's area of operation in England? Like one? And to top it all off, the video goes on to show the end cache in it's hiding spot in a tree. If I was the cache owner, I would absolutely have complained to Groundspeak, and if that didn't work, to YouTube.

I personally have no clue why someone would even come up with the idea of posting videos of other peoples Geocaching hides, without permission, on the internet. I dunno, I'm American like the owners of Groundspeak Inc, maybe it's an American thing? :laughing:

November 21, 2011

Like, for example, the recent one where you had to touch wires to a AA battery. How many such caches can there possibly be like this in Sven's area of operation in England? Like one?

Funny, because the cache you mention was 300 miles from Sven....And to answer your question there were TWO within 30 miles of each other pretty much exactly the same (the other coming in a future video).

Sven still cannot post on the forums, error 1000 it says...

November 22, 2011

I'm still quite shocked Groundspeak backed down.

<snippage>

I personally have no clue why someone would even come up with the idea of posting videos of other peoples Geocaching hides, without permission, on the internet. I dunno, I'm American like the owners of Groundspeak Inc, maybe it's an American thing?

I'm guessing it's that other American thing - free speech. ;-)

10.2k · November 22, 2011

Like, for example, the recent one where you had to touch wires to a AA battery. How many such caches can there possibly be like this in Sven's area of operation in England? Like one?

Funny, because the cache you mention was 300 miles from Sven....And to answer your question there were TWO within 30 miles of each other pretty much exactly the same (the other coming in a future video).

Sven still cannot post on the forums, error 1000 it says...

OK, my bad on the 300 miles. I assume he has inquired as to why he still can't post? It should not take this long. I think this has run it's course anyways, I forgot I even posted the other day, as it almost slipped off the page.

I'm still quite shocked Groundspeak backed down.

<snippage>

I personally have no clue why someone would even come up with the idea of posting videos of other peoples Geocaching hides, without permission, on the internet. I dunno, I'm American like the owners of Groundspeak Inc, maybe it's an American thing?

I'm guessing it's that other American thing - free speech. ;-)

Well, they have that in the UK too, I'm quite sure. :laughing:

November 22, 2011

I'm guessing it's that other American thing - free speech. ;-)

Well, they have that in the UK too, I'm quite sure.

Not in anywhere near the same legal sense as they do in the US - and it really wouldn't surprise me if there's an element of that in this btw :-)

3.1k · November 22, 2011

I'm guessing it's that other American thing - free speech. ;-)

Well, they have that in the UK too, I'm quite sure.

Not in anywhere near the same legal sense as they do in the US - and it really wouldn't surprise me if there's an element of that in this btw :-)

It would surprise me, since I don't see any government involvement in this. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

January 15, 2012

I am responding here on behalf of my 10 year old daughter. Let me share her experience..

She comes home from school talking about geocaching which we had never heard of. So as we often do when investigating something, we tell her to Google it. As a result she finds the youtube account in question and we begin to watch. We are impressed by what we see and keep searching the internet until we find more information, a site that relates to Australia (which in turn is linked to this site and it's forums). We see that there is a cache hidden less than 500m from our house and off we go to find it without a GPS or any idea what we are doing. Our first lesson...don't trust what google street view shows you.

A couple of days later, armed with the ipod app we find our first, then second, then third. We are hooked. Our family now spends time together, outdoors performing an activity that we all enjoy. Even the grandparents have become involved. That is priceless

We would never have begun this journey if not for Sven's videos. Is that a bad thing?

We are yet to hide a cache but are wanting to make it something special, something challenging and THAT is what we have taken from Sven's videos. Our family all agree that if we ever found one of our caches on Youtube in a way that does not provide enough information to locate it, we'd be flattered and proud!

Clearly, going by the responses in this thread (yes I've read the whole thing) we geocache for the wrong reasons and should feel ashamed of ourselves for trying to source information online to help inform us and educate us about this activity. I say this because there is a great deal of venom in this thread about doing what we innocently did.

Maybe it's just the Aussie relaxed attitude that makes us not understand why this became what it did.

Thank you to everyone who remembers that newbies need help, however they can get it.

January 15, 2012

There is lots of help without watching videos showing you where caches are. I mean where is the challenge when you know the end result? Where is the brain power?

To me this akin to people that use hacks and cheats to win a video game.

If I had a cache that I put thought into and someone came along and shot a video of where my cache was I would be ticked.

On one hand I commend Sven on inspiring new geocachers. On the other the way he did it IMHO is down right wrong. He seems like a really bright guy and should be able to come up with interesting vids to introduce people to geocaching.

Possibly doing what those college kids did by mixing reality with a fake dropped cache and "finding" it. Do something like that in different areas and a lot of them. Yes it would take time by him, but if it is really the inspiring of people that he is after then he would not have a problem with that.

If on the other hand he just wants to be a jerk and post spoilers of other peoples caches then he will not do anything like what that group of college kids did.

He should stick to 100% his OWN caches or fake ones.

10.2k · January 15, 2012

I am responding here on behalf of my 10 year old daughter. Let me share her experience..

She comes home from school talking about geocaching which we had never heard of. So as we often do when investigating something, we tell her to Google it. As a result she finds the youtube account in question and we begin to watch. We are impressed by what we see and keep searching the internet until we find more information, a site that relates to Australia (which in turn is linked to this site and it's forums). We see that there is a cache hidden less than 500m from our house and off we go to find it without a GPS or any idea what we are doing. Our first lesson...don't trust what google street view shows you.

A couple of days later, armed with the ipod app we find our first, then second, then third. We are hooked. Our family now spends time together, outdoors performing an activity that we all enjoy. Even the grandparents have become involved. That is priceless

We would never have begun this journey if not for Sven's videos. Is that a bad thing?

We are yet to hide a cache but are wanting to make it something special, something challenging and THAT is what we have taken from Sven's videos. Our family all agree that if we ever found one of our caches on Youtube in a way that does not provide enough information to locate it, we'd be flattered and proud!

Clearly, going by the responses in this thread (yes I've read the whole thing) we geocache for the wrong reasons and should feel ashamed of ourselves for trying to source information online to help inform us and educate us about this activity. I say this because there is a great deal of venom in this thread about doing what we innocently did.

Maybe it's just the Aussie relaxed attitude that makes us not understand why this became what it did.

Thank you to everyone who remembers that newbies need help, however they can get it.

Actually, there's a guy in Arizona who just started filming "spoiler" videos who was most obviously inspired by Sven also. He needs some work, seeing as he named one of the caches (multiple times), and you can do a keyword search and figure out what cache it is in about 5 seconds. And he probably should know enough (in his 6 day Geocaching career) to not refer people to the non-existent website Geospeak.com to look for Geocaches

All I can say is you're going to be disappointed when you find out 90%+ of Geocaches are hidden in "traditional" hiding spots, and these so called "clever" hides are few and far between.

Edit to add: Sven himself was a total newbie and totally unaware of Geocaching etiquette when he posted those videos. Most people would say "sorry, my bad, didn't know" when confronted with the information that is was against Geocaching etiquette. Of course he didn't want to hear that, and rolled with a mega attitude about the whole thing.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Mr.Yuck

January 15, 2012

There is lots of help without watching videos showing you where caches are. I mean where is the challenge when you know the end result? Where is the brain power?

To me this akin to people that use hacks and cheats to win a video game.

If I had a cache that I put thought into and someone came along and shot a video of where my cache was I would be ticked.

On one hand I commend Sven on inspiring new geocachers. On the other the way he did it IMHO is down right wrong. He seems like a really bright guy and should be able to come up with interesting vids to introduce people to geocaching.

Possibly doing what those college kids did by mixing reality with a fake dropped cache and "finding" it. Do something like that in different areas and a lot of them. Yes it would take time by him, but if it is really the inspiring of people that he is after then he would not have a problem with that.

If on the other hand he just wants to be a jerk and post spoilers of other peoples caches then he will not do anything like what that group of college kids did.

He should stick to 100% his OWN caches or fake ones.

Of the 10 or so videos my daughter looked at, not ONE showed where they were, hinted at where they were or provided enough information to work out where they were. Have you looked at any of them? However that is not the point I was trying to make.

She did not seek out videos that show where a cache is, it however seems that is how you interpreted my post. So let me clarify. My daughter (did I mention she is only 10 years old) just wanted information and being 100% a child of the technical age, she went where google took her. That is not akin to using cheats or walkthroughs on a video game. I like to give her points for doing some research.

If not for Sven's videos and links from there to other blogs we would never have bothered trying to find that first geocache because, quite frankly, the official videos on GS do absolutely nothing to inspire or spark enthusiasm. There may well be "plenty of help" out there but when you have no idea what it is or where to find it, it actually provides no help at all for complete novices.

2k · January 15, 2012

All I can say is you're going to be disappointed when you find out 90%+ of Geocaches are hidden in "traditional" hiding spots, and these so called "clever" hides are few and far between.

It could be argued that since 90%+ of geocaches are just your run of the mill caches that the videos could encourage cachers who may not otherwise see clever caches to go out and hide some of their own.

8k · January 15, 2012

If people would remember this is just a game and it's about having fun, and cache owners stop worrying so much about so-called spoilers we wouldn't have this thread.

Sven was asked by a cache owner to remove a spoiler video. I don't know the details, but what he should have done is communicated with that cache owner to find a compromise both could live with. According to Sven, the video in question showed no more than what you could get from the cache page itself, so he didn't think there was any reason to remove it. While that may be true, most geocachers would have at least made an effort to satisfy the cache owner. On the other hand, after the issue was raised to Groundspeak, other owners seem to come out of the woodwork to complain about Sven's videos. Groundspeak has now clarified the TOUs to indicate that they cannot control what is put on a third party site. That may at least have some cache owners resigned to the fact that spoilers will shared and may even be posted on the web. IMO, cache owners should not only accept the fact that caches can be "spoiled" but should realize that a spoiler is not the worst thing. Seekers who want to avoid spoilers can avoid them (particularly when Sven posted them under the name GeocacheSpoilers). People who want to use spoilers will use them and have more enjoyment then they would have had by ignoring the cache.

***** SPOILER ALERT ******

My new practice is to post spoilers for one my puzzles when this topic comes up. So here is my spoiler for tozainamboku's little enigmatic diversion cache.

The code is a 7 segment LCD or LED display. The letters are the segments lit up to form each of the digits

  - A -
 |     |
 F     B
 |     |
  - G -
 |     |
 E     C
 |     |
  - D -

Edited January 15, 2012 by tozainamboku

January 15, 2012

There is lots of help without watching videos showing you where caches are. I mean where is the challenge when you know the end result? Where is the brain power?

Is it really that hard to understand? I don't show where the caches are.

I now have 130+ videos, none show the GC code* or any hint of geographical location. Now that I receive regular "viewer submitted videos" the caches featured cover geocaches placed on a fair few of the continents of the planet.

I would suggest LyssLyss that as you may see from this thread that some people just don't understand, or don't want to understand, or are simply trolls.

I've been involved in plenty of online communities relating to many hobbies, games, sports etc and never before have I come across such daft politics as in the geocaching community. Infact, that might have to be the topic of an upcoming video because it baffles me.

It's-a-game!

The channel has now entertained just shy of a million views total. Well over 5,000 subscribers which is a few short of surpassing the official Groundspeak geocaching channel! Many people love the channel, a handful do not.

Might I suggest those that don't like it don't look at it.

*Ok there is that one cache that someone will no doubt bring up, the owner is happy with this "spoiler" being live showthing the gc code - but I am not. When I'm next passing I'll video the container again so you trolls have less daft ammunition.

January 15, 2012

To me this akin to people that use hacks and cheats to win a video game.

As a simple fwiw, that's an entirely acceptable way of playing video games - indeed, there's a mini-industry built around this way of approaching gaming.

As with this "game", there are multiple flavours. That's cool imo - nothing for anyone to get too stressed about I hope.

10.2k · January 15, 2012

I would suggest LyssLyss that as you may see from this thread that some people just don't understand, or don't want to understand, or are simply trolls.

I would suggest that a newbie to a community who barges in like a bull in a china shop, and does something against established etiquette in that community, and says "screw you", is the troll. But I do see how you were egged on by your supporters, almost all of whom are from Europe.

I've been involved in plenty of online communities relating to many hobbies, games, sports etc and never before have I come across such daft politics as in the geocaching community. Infact, that might have to be the topic of an upcoming video because it baffles me.

Actually we hear that all the time around here, people with little or no Geocaching experience seem to want to tout their experience in other hobbies and online communities. Why just the other day we had Model Rocketry guy trying to compare an LPC to a 2 mile hike to an ammo box.

Might I suggest those that don't like it don't look at it.

Well of course! Makes sense to me. Seeing as Groundspeak has said they can exist, that's the best way to approach it.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Mr.Yuck

January 15, 2012

I would suggest that a newbie to a community who barges in like a bull in a china shop, and does something against established etiquette in that community, and says "screw you", is the troll. But I do see how you were egged on by your supporters, almost all of whom are from Europe.

Wat?

Actually I heard about geocaching from youtube....I'd watched several hundred geocaching videos. A quick google search offers over 6 million results for "geocaching video", what I'm doing is nothing new. And I've never once said "screw you" to anyone, infact I've tried to bend my content to please as many folks as possible.

It's not against etiquette just because you say it is. From the feedback I receive the vast majority of the community welcome such videos. Course you're never going to please all the people all the time.

And looking at the demographics on my youtube stats the majority of my "supporters" are from America, then Germany, followed by Canada, then UK and then Australia before the bulk of Europe hits the stat chart.

10.2k · January 15, 2012

I would suggest that a newbie to a community who barges in like a bull in a china shop, and does something against established etiquette in that community, and says "screw you", is the troll. But I do see how you were egged on by your supporters, almost all of whom are from Europe.

Wat?

Actually I heard about geocaching from youtube....I'd watched several hundred geocaching videos. A quick google search offers over 6 million results for "geocaching video", what I'm doing is nothing new. And I've never once said "screw you" to anyone, infact I've tried to bend my content to please as many folks as possible.

It's not against etiquette just because you say it is. From the feedback I receive the vast majority of the community welcome such videos. Course you're never going to please all the people all the time.

And looking at the demographics on my youtube stats the majority of my "supporters" are from America, then Germany, followed by Canada, then UK and then Australia before the bulk of Europe hits the stat chart.

No, it's not against etiquette because I say it is. But I would say it (was) because of Groundspeak banning you for a month. And that was a long standing policy, I know of a guy in Canada who received the exact same one month ban for posting puzzle cache solutions to Facebook almost 2 years before your incident.

Oh, it's just that most your supporters in the Groundspeak forums appeared to be from Europe. Just an observation, not a scientific fact or anything! :lol:

January 15, 2012

LyssLyss,

Kudos to your daughter for wanting to do some research. That is very mature for being only 10. Most 10 year old would be just wanting to run right out into the Field to find the treasure. I also agree that the videos done by GS are umm... lack luster? LOL! They do need to make them a bit longer and a little more exciting and that would go a long way.

Blue Square Thing,

Just because there is a community built around hacks and cheats does not make it right. I mean hacks, cheats, spoilers, look at the names themselves. All indicating wrong. I know that they are out there. But to me a person that actively seeks them out KNOWING what those sites are being labeled is a cheater plain and simple.

Call me an old fuddy duddy but to me that is wrong. My online gamer tag line on forums was always, "Family and Honor is Everything!!!" I guess I am an old dinosaur one of the last of a dying breed that believes that cheating is wrong. I don't need no stinkin "I Win" button. LOL!

Sven,

Do you not understand? Even though you do not post the coords or the name of the cache it is still to much posting the real cache of ANOTHER CO. For example if you were here in the US doing those vids and I was out hunting a cache. One of them in your vid. Do you not think that things would look familiar to me coming up on the cache you had shot? Then all the sudden I recall where I have seen it and blush. Oh, I saw this on that cheat vid site. I go right to the cache no brain power needed to find this one.

Not all people that stumble on your vids want to cheat. Take for example the daughter of LyssLyss who found your vid by doing a google search.

I for one do not care if you have 50 BILLION followers. What part of it don;t you understand? It still does not make it right to show other peoples caches.

As I stated before, if your only goal was to get people into geocaching then you would do what the college kids did and make a lot of fake ones or use your own. But NO, that is not your goal at all as shown by your attitude and complete disregard for etiquette.

January 15, 2012

Sven,

Do you not understand?

No.

You're saying (hypothetically) you watched spoiler videos online, then complained that I spoilt a cache for you?

:blink:

6.7k · January 15, 2012

Sven,

Do you not understand?

No.

You're saying (hypothetically) you watched spoiler videos online, then complained that I spoilt a cache for you?

19k · January 15, 2012

If people would remember this is just a game and it's about having fun, and cache owners stop worrying so much about so-called spoilers we wouldn't have this thread.

*IF*... you can "if" anything you want. As a cache owner who puts something extra into every cache, I don't appreciate spoilers. If I stopped caring, then you're right. We wouldn't have a problem. You can "if" all day long about it, but I DO care. You don't, and that's fine with me. I'm not asking you to care. But "if" you did, your response to this issue would be different. So much for "iffing".

January 15, 2012

Sven,

Do you not understand?

No.

You're saying (hypothetically) you watched spoiler videos online, then complained that I spoilt a cache for you?

ARG! Went right over your head. You missed the point. Not all that see you vids understands that they are cheat vids.

And heck no I do not watch your vids. I do not travel, but in case I ever do go to Eu... ugh nevermind. You are so arrogant that you do not care about spoiling other CO's caches.

Like I have pointed out, even if you had 50 billion followers it still does not make it right what you are doing. That would just mean that there are 50 billion lazy cheaters.

IF your motive was purely to inspire people to geocache you would take the high road and just do your own or fake ones.

You have proven that is not your motive. Your motive is to spoil other CO's caches pure and simple.

3.1k · January 15, 2012

If people would remember this is just a game and it's about having fun, and cache owners stop worrying so much about so-called spoilers we wouldn't have this thread.

What you need to remember is that not everyone enjoys the game in the same way. Some cache owners like to preserve the "Eureka!" moment that occurs when people find their caches. Others don't really care.

That's why Groundspeak allows cache owners the option to prevent spoilers from being published on this website. If you don't care, then you can allow spoilers. If you do care, then you can prevent them. It's about finding a reasonable way to accommodate many people's different preferences.

19k · January 15, 2012

The channel has now entertained just shy of a million views total. Well over 5,000 subscribers which is a few short of surpassing the official Groundspeak geocaching channel! Many people love the channel, a handful do not.

*Ok there is that one cache that someone will no doubt bring up, the owner is happy with this "spoiler" being live showthing the gc code - but I am not. When I'm next passing I'll video the container again so you trolls have less daft ammunition.

"you trolls"? Are you referring to your fellow forumites?

January 15, 2012

You missed the point.

And heck no I do not watch your vids.

So you've not watched them but you're very quick to make statements like:

You are so arrogant that you do not care about spoiling other CO's caches.

i invite you to watch them and then perhaps you wouldn't come on here and talk out the wrong side of your body.

Like I have pointed out, even if you had 50 billion followers it still does not make it right what you are doing.

No it would just put you even further in the minority that you're already wallowing in.

"you trolls"? Are you referring to your fellow forumites?

No referring to those like our friend above. Hasn't watched a single video but is quick to spread lies about what he thinks it is...

January 15, 2012

Sven, If I am in the minority as you claim then you are stating that the majority of the world populace thinks that it is okay to cheat? I know the world is not what it used to be but I do not think that yet.

Okay with out me seeing the vids I have some questions for you.

Do you show the cache in its correct hiding spot?

Do you show what the cache looks like?

Do you show the approaching of the cache?

Do you show any of the surrounding area?

One more thing. Is that a link to your cheat caches of other CO's caches right there in your siggy? If so, then that is really bad form and it shows how arrogant you realy are to be flaunting it on this site itself.

Edited January 15, 2012 by TeamPennyFinder

January 15, 2012

the majority of the world populace thinks that it is okay to cheat?

I can't work out if you're really that stupid or just a very bad troll.

I'm simply not going to entertain ridiculous statements like this. You cannot use my videos to cheat, if you'd watch them objectively you'd realise this. I understand you might not want to watch them and I appreciate the reasons why that may be. But this doesn't mean you can simply guess the content of them and accuse me of absurd things.

January 15, 2012

You did not answer any of my questions.

1.2k · January 15, 2012

I can't work out if you're really that stupid or just a very bad troll.

Smooth talking Sven. is back, at least for a moment.

3.1k · January 15, 2012

It's not against etiquette just because you say it is.

That's correct. But there is geocaching etiquette nonetheless. For certain aspects of this game, a general consensus exists about the "proper" way to play it. Of course, that doesn't mean you necessarily have to abide by these norms. And you seem to take pride in often pushing the limits.

You offer to sign the cache log for your puzzle even when the solvers are thousands of miles away. Most geocachers would consider that to be a bogus find and expect the cache owner to delete it rather than facilitate it.

To a large extent, you're free to play this game however you wish. Just don't claim to be baffled when some in the community don't welcome you with open arms.

January 15, 2012

Sven, If I am in the minority as you claim then you are stating that the majority of the world populace thinks that it is okay to cheat?

I'm not Sven but I would like to jump in here.

I don't believe the so called 'majority' would consider these videos as 'cheating'

Say the first time you find a cache it is an ammo box under a pile of sticks. Would it then be 'cheating' if on the second cache you went to if you had the idea based on previous experience to look under pile of sticks at this new location? Has the first cache 'spoiled' the second because they are similar hides? Does finding one clever method of hiding a cache ruin all future hides done in a similar style?

From the videos I watched you would have to be an expert on the location to even begin to guess what cache was in the video.

I've found the videos to be an excellent source, not for finding caches but rather for getting ideas for ways I could make my future hides more enjoyable for others. I hope to incorporate many of the things I have seen in the videos locally because I know we have nothing like them around here.

January 15, 2012

He still has yet to answer my questions. Thank You and that brings up another question.

Does he reveal how to do other peoples caches other than his own?

Oh, and I do not have any problem what so ever if he shows his own caches. More power to him. It is if he is showing other peoples caches with out their permission.

Edited January 15, 2012 by TeamPennyFinder

January 15, 2012

For certain aspects of this game, a general consensus exists about the "proper" way to play it.

Yes! And the consensus I'm seeing is a majority agreement with my position. And here I am.

You did not answer any of my questions.

Aye, and I wont. It'll be easier if we agree to disagree. By your own admission you've not seen my videos, a decision I respect entirely, but don't come here telling me what they are or aren't, because you don't know.

January 15, 2012

I guess the only way to do this then is I will google Sven geocaching and view some myself since you are far far far away from my area and have a zero percent chance of spoiling any local caches. I have got to admit, you have me curious as to how good your vids are because of your stated following.

January 15, 2012

The first thing that I did was to click on your link. I watched several of the vids that you stated as your own.

I have never had a problem if you were to just do your own. Here is my honest opinion of the vids that you did of your own.

1) I was very impressed with the quality. Nice sound, easy to understand, and nice video work.

2) They were interesting enough to where if I were not a geocacher that it would get me interested in finding out what geocaching was. The only reason I knew it was about a geocache is because you stated it. The only improvement that I can see you doing is showing that you are using a GPS to get to the site.

3) You have some great caches! It is obvious that you spent time in thinking them out to make them entertaining. Granted that you spoil your own by showing people how to solve them. But to someone that has not seen your vid, I am pretty sure they would be pretty entertained having to solve some of your caches on their own. Great job!

Now for the bad news.

When I googled Sven geocaching the first youtube vid that I came to was the one of the railway bridge. You said it was a submitted video. If it was submitted by the cache owner then there is no problem.

HOWEVER: if it was submitted by a random geocacher and you chose to air it then that one is waaayyy in the wrong.

It starts out with, "here we are at ground zero". Well, you KNOW what is in it. It shows plainly the area. Just about anyone that lives in that area would know exactly where it was. It shows the exact location of the cache, what the cache is, and even how to solve the cache. It shows how the cache works. It is obvious that the cache owner put a lot of thought and time into that cache. It is a great cache. But unless it was submitted by the cache owner or with the cache owners full permission then that one is just plain wrong for you to show.

There were also some more along those lines that were not yours. Also in some there was a camera man and a few more peeps. MMm... but you say you never reveal anything to anyone.

Those type caches are indeed wrong for you to have on your channel.

YOUR CACHES. I do not understand why you can not be happy with just showing your caches. They are great, and I really enjoyed them and it is not wrong because they are YOURS so it is YOUR choice. Once again I think that is great. They kept me entertained. Kudos!

I seem to remember that you state that you have something like 35 of your own caches. If so, that should be plenty for a person to get the idea and really get interested in geocaching. If it does not, then they are either dead or an old poop that likes to do nothing but stay in their house.

So why put spoilers up of other peoples caches if you have so many? If you HAVE to have more why not just make more of your own or get a CO's permission? I do not understand. Yours are GREAT!

Your vids of your caches are great, plenty to do the job. Please really consider dropping the other vids of caches that you do not have permission to post. Trust me, they are NOT needed.

Edited January 15, 2012 by TeamPennyFinder

1.2k · January 15, 2012

I've been involved in plenty of online communities relating to many hobbies, games, sports etc and never before have I come across such daft politics as in the geocaching community. Infact, that might have to be the topic of an upcoming video because it baffles me.

It's-a-game!

*Ok there is that one cache that someone will no doubt bring up, the owner is happy with this "spoiler" being live showthing the gc code - but I am not. When I'm next passing I'll video the container again so you trolls have less daft ammunition.

Bunch of old bitter farts with nothing better in life to do I guess......

1.2k · January 15, 2012

Sven,

Do you not understand?

No.

You're saying (hypothetically) you watched spoiler videos online, then complained that I spoilt a cache for you?

Yep, that is what was said.... as the owner of Mingo said recently, some take this gocaching thing too serious!

January 15, 2012

When I googled Sven geocaching the first youtube vid that I came to was the one of the railway bridge. You said it was a submitted video. If it was submitted by the cache owner then there is no problem.

Well the CO submitted the video to me, but for the sake of argument let's pretend he didn't for a moment.

HOWEVER: if it was submitted by a random geocacher and you chose to air it then that one is waaayyy in the wrong.

It starts out with, "here we are at ground zero". Well, you KNOW what is in it. It shows plainly the area. Just about anyone that lives in that area would know exactly where it was. It shows the exact location of the cache, what the cache is, and even how to solve the cache. It shows how the cache works.

It's "waaaaay in the wrong". Why?

So anyone watching would know where, what why and when. Then as I say, those persons watching the video have only spoilt it for themselves. The channel is clearly labelled as spoilers so nobody can complain they've spoilt it for themselves.

You cannot find the videos from the cache page.

You cannot find the cache page from the videos.

I keep saying quite clearly, if you don't like it then don't look at it. Then there's nothing to winge about.

Also in some there was a camera man and a few more peeps. MMm... but you say you never reveal anything to anyone.

What? Oh, you're back to trolling again :rolleyes:

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