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  1. I was going to say "how does Swiney know they last 5 are armchair logs"? Well, they are. They're just missing the "greetings from". Anywho, there's a picture from the last legitimate finder standing in front of a sign saying it's 18 miles to the marker along a road in the background that I'd only dream of riding on with a 4WD vehicle. So I'd go with required.
  2. I've combined Geocaching with business trips (If I could call out of town Army Reserve weekends and two week tours business trips), as well as golf outings, and nights out at dirt racing tracks. The last one making me a rare redneck nerd, apparently.
  3. The game should be played however you want to play it. That's what wooden stake in the desert guy said. I think he had a power trail of about 1,000 wooden stakes, that people were supposed to sign with a sharpie. Even went all "it's environmentally sound" on the whole thing, as "film canisters seep chemicals into Mother Earth". And yes, he really said that. I don't want to pile on the OP, and it appears from one of Keystone's posts he has been banned from further posting to this thread for excessive nastiness, but that really is a horrible attitude he exhibited, when told by the majority of posters that he was violating the guidelines. And you can actually put me down with some of the naysayers, such as Uncle Alaska and Mannville Possum Hunters, that what we saw in that video was "no big deal". However, I've been around long enough to know that was a guideline violation, and if they caches were still hidden in that fashion, they would have been archived in less than 24 hours.
  4. The video was uploaded on 11/12/13 and the caches didn't publish until 11/25/13. Were the caches buried? I saw no evidence of that. Just earth scooped up. I heard the guy in the video say to bury the can back into the soft soil. I don't know if that makes it a buried cache, but man does it sound like it! Get a rope! Wrong. All the caches were published 11/11/13, the day before 11/12/13. Pretty good, you took the link off all the cache pages! I think you're going to get away with it. I still have the link for the unlisted video in my browser history, but don't worry, I won't give it to anyone.
  5. Come on now ... The nanos you're referring to don't have to have a couple of shovels full of dirt spread around beside them from the hole that's been dug like the one in the video! Buried is buried. If those little nanos meet guidelines, so does any other container. As much as those annoy me, I displace more dirt just walking to most caches and I'm willing to let those types slide on the rules. I think if something like a hand spade or shovel is necessary to install it, then that would be roughly where I would draw the line. looks like the ones in question are buried in sand, no tools required to dig the hole, so let's just let them slide too. Besides, it's out in the desert anyway. Have you ever came across one of those little nanos where the whole area has been raked up by geocachers looking for the cache? Not much dirt was moved hiding it, but a bulldozer was used to search for it. Sure, let's just let them slide, they do no harm. True, these are no friggin' big deal. Not unlike putting a nail in a tree for a phony bird house cache. However, I still predict they will be archived. Either that, or, per the post above me, someone is going to have a heart attack. EDIT: Make that 2 posts above me. I knew that would happen.
  6. Jellis, you have been around long enough to know the guidelines are interpreted and enforced differently in different regions and sometimes differently among the various reviewers within the same region. The volunteer reviewers are exercising their judgement. So what was your real purpose in posting this example? I disagree. I predict These will be history by the end of today. Anyone remember "wooden stake guy"? The guy had a power trail in the desert, and the "caches" were wooden stakes lying on the ground (not pounded in). No, they were not buried, but they were a power trail of identically hidden caches that didn't meet the guidelines. By the way, cache publish date November 11th. You tube upload date, November 12th.
  7. No, that would have been funny as Cascade Reviewer. Wait a minute... You're Cascade Reviewer? You should invite him to exchange emails with you, and maybe he'd understand. By the way, I'm very Yucky. So did you hear back from the CO?
  8. I think it's actually a legitimate question from a noob. What, who needs a pen, when you can just scan a bar code, and move on to the next one? We are literally dinosaurs around here. That'll happen when you put out a free intro app into the Android and iphone marketplace.
  9. It was never resolved, as a matter of fact. The OP never explained why they didn't mention that they had emailed the owner for a hint before dropping a Tftc log on them. And note, Chrysalides, I didn't say "Tftc Turd". Excellent observations actually, MawandPawKettle. The logs MOSTLY come from newbs with smartphones, and 95%+ of them will lose interest, and not go on to become "regular Geocachers". I don't see why that has to be an excellent observation though, it's a no brainer to me. I mean we have people arguing in all these lame log threads that "not everyone is a wordsmith", or something along that lines. Then why were almost all Geocachers wordsmiths from 2000-2010 before on the spot smartphone logging?
  10. No. Turd and lame are actually what I had in mind. Newbie isn't necessarily degoratory. Noob (which I don't believe you ever used) is. Well then, I do believe I've said "dropping a Tftc Turd", and of course "lame". Guilty.
  11. And name calling. That's the part that I'm most against. They can wring their hands all they want. Am I a name caller? Is it the word "clueless"? Or maybe the term "newbie"? I first heard that term in like 1983, when I got to Army basic training like 3 weeks after some people were already there. Bullying? Puh-lease. The lack of general knowledge of the hobby and how it works before "trying it" vs. when I had to go to Gander Mountain and drop $100 minimum for a GPS unit in 2003 is really quite astounding. If that makes me a bully, I'm all like whatever.
  12. No, because it was not invented yet as an acronym in common usage...there were also only 1-2 (or none) caches in each town, thus giving a cacher lot's of time to contemplate the experience. I can walk in a four mile radius from my current residence and find hundreds of caches...not all of them are worthy of a thousand word essay. I also didn't see people wringing their hands and "churning their stomach acid" over some of the most minute changes or differences in the game back then either. I truly think a good portion of the people who regularly visit these forums; do so because they love to argue (over anything, no matter how insignificant). My point above is, why worry about it so much...I can write a log masterpiece for a cache and the only person who knows how sincere and truthful I am about the experience is me. So why should a cache owner have so much anxiety over how it is written?? Some people are into numbers...some not. Some go through different phases and shake up the way they cache...some will refuse to change. Some are fluent and exquisite in their ability to write a commanding log...some are not. Some have the time and energy to write a short story...some do not. Some are hiders, some are finders, some dabble in both. Some use GPSRs only, some use phones, some use both, some use only paper maps...I can continue ad nauseum. My point? There are so many thousands (millions?) of permutations on how one might approach their caching experience...don't get hung up churning your stomach acid if somebody is not doing it the same as you or your group is. No one is "churning stomach acid". And actually, the correct term around here is "getting your knickers in a twist". Lets see, I started in 2003, and everyone had to go out and buy a dedicated GPS unit, and went home to their computer to write a nice story about their adventure for the day. I'm not allowed to compare this to MILLIONS of clueless people downloading the intro app, and logging Geocaches with "Yay"? All while of course just making an observation, knickers being low and loose.
  13. One could do even better..write 15, unique, 3 paragraph logs. Logs that each tell a unique little story, heap praise all over the cache and CO, and say that the cache is in great shape. Then rotate them from cache to cache...doesn't mean they are more or less sincere than TFTC! Could even take the time to make up individual 5-8 paragraph masterpiece logs, without even remembering the cache...all to fool the owner into believing you thought their cache was the "bees knees"... Should one go to such lengths to please an individual or group?? Does every log have to be a short story? Am I suppose to write a short story on certain caches that everyone else thinks is great (and has tons of fav points), yet I think was dull or mundane? You have us in the anti-lame logging faction all wrong. I obviously can't speak for all of us, but I'd say we generally don't give a hoot about being praised. We're merely "anti-lame logging". C'mon Dude, you're a charter member. No one was logging caches with "Tftc" or "Found it" in 2001. :P
  14. When did they start Geocaching? If it was 2010 or later, they were born in the smartphone era. Probably logged ALL their early finds with Tftc. Chances are they haven't hidden very many caches themselves; and of course it would be classic if they never hid a cache. Started Feb 2013. Finds weren't logged in the field looking at the email timing they were about a minute or even less apart. Have hidden one cache themselves. If that's the way they like to play so be it. But, as mentioned in other threads COs, such as we, like to know what's going on with the unlogged DNFs. I could do a full sociological profile here, but I won't bore anyone. Still a noobie to me, despite having more finds than me in my 12 year Geocaching career. Born in the lame logging era, and still lame logging, even if they're dropping them from GSAK. If they want numbers, they'd be well suited for a certain bar code sticker game, where logging is optional, and almost no one ever bothers. EDIT: P.S. at least that game has incentives for participating on the hiding side. Don't get me wrong, cache ownership is not for everyone, but it's quite comical how the overwhelming majority of the two word or less lame loggers have never participated on the hide side. I'd pretty much deem the experiment of trying to turn an established 10 year old game into a "smartphone game" a dismal failure.
  15. Well, the noobs often write quite a long logs. If you find 2-3 caches a day, you have quite a lot to say. However, if you spend 10 hours outdoors, find 50 caches, and then plan for next day which will be the same, don't expect someone to write individual log for every cache. By such numbers, many people often, even if the remember some cache was special, don't remember which one was that... You can criticize the running for numbers, but both things make fun. Sometimes a day is very good because you've fighted 2 hours in snow to find a remote container, sometimes because you've made 50 through urban area. My biggest day was something like 55 caches. You can be sure that I remembered each cache, and wrote a unique log for every single one of them. 45 here, and I only remembered about 25 of them on a 13 mile round trip bike ride. But I found I could "remember" about 20 more of them compliments of Google Sat View. Then I just faked the other 5. But those logs were most certainly not "Tftc". That was pretty much a once in a lifetime experience for me though, as far as Geocaching goes. I doubt I'll ever come close to it again. That's just me, I don't live near the desert, and won't be stopping for film canisters every .1 mile. EDIT: Don't run the numbers on that one, they don't add up. But there were a good 5 or so I couldn't remember. Google sat view really does help me though. I also did about 15 by bike on the bike trail power trail in Ashtabula, Ohio, and I had to consult sat view to help me remember a couple of them even.
  16. "Only"?! 2626 x 2 = 5252 2999 x 2 = 5998 And that's just Will Attends so far, per your comment. There are usually more Attended logs afterward. So both seem to easily earn Giga status. I think it was Pan314159 (hey, I'll bet they're a Pi Day fan ) that said Will attend logs in their experience tend to be about the same as actual attended logs. Accounting for those who don't show up and those that do without ever posting a will attend.
  17. Well true, not necessarily noobs. Tftc is strongly associated with on the spot, smartphone logging from the field. So they have 3,000 finds, big whoop. Doesn't make them not a noob. When did they start Geocaching? If it was 2010 or later, they were born in the smartphone era. Probably logged ALL their early finds with Tftc. Chances are they haven't hidden very many caches themselves; and of course it would be classic if they never hid a cache. EDIT: In fact, this reminds me that the OP, who claimed to be chastised for dropping a Tftc (but there was more to the story) joined in July 2013 and protested that they are "not newcomers" (see post #3). By the way, they've never hidden a cache.
  18. Cripes, even the Google map has the property lines. I have ignored such caches in the past, and I have "reported" such caches in the past. Assuming a new publication. My reviewer has been known to use County GIS or "tax maps", and I really don't think they would have published this if it were in my area. Purely speculation, though.
  19. For a WWFM event I attended everyone was asked to write down their handle on a piece of paper and indicate the number of non-geocachers attendees they brought along. After the actual flash mob there was a meeting place specified on the cache listing very close by for picture opportunity and where the event creator would be with a large red box for use to drop in the piece of paper. According to a log posted after the event there were 478 attendees (so close to mega status) and has 279 attended logs. You can see the big red box on the left. There you have it. Conclusive proof that a multiplier of 2 is probably used, and is generous. Just kidding, it's not conclusive proof, but it's a real world example. So the last two GeoWoodstock's, and all four Geocaching Block Parties have had under 3,000 attendees. Therefore............. Greetings from Germany!!! And maybe Prague, some day. P.S. Whatever they replace the Block Party with, the first one will be in Germany. Feel free to bookmark this post.
  20. You need to get all the Germans to sign up for GC5BKAQ It's certainly not going to be that one! Only 374 will attend logs less than 2 months out. And last years event had 625 attended logs. Quoting hydnseek from page 1: Even Geowoodstock XII last year with 1,484 attended logs would have needed a multiplier of 3.5 to reach 5,000 "attendees". And I seriously doubt this secret multiplier is 3.5. In fact, Geowoodstock attended logs peaked way back in 2010 at 2,241, and went down every year after that, with just a little jump up for GWXII in 2014. Forget ever seeing a Giga event in the U.S. or Canada. Can I have that Eeyore's Gloomy Place pic from that other thread?
  21. I'm too embarrassed to calculate it. On the bright side, it is lower Than BrianSnat's or sbell111's.
  22. Wow, and I test so high in reading comprehension. Silly me to have missed that it's placed, not found. Yeah, and the worst part is you duped me into thinking that too. I'm not sure you actually did, but you definitely set your self up for blaming.
  23. It's a completely different story if boating, swimming, and other recreational activities are prohibited at all times. The cache owner certainly should have known that there may have been a problem entering the drained canal area. Under this type of restriction, the charges may be substantial and unlikely to be dropped, especially with the rescue effort. He may have to pay a large fine, based on trusting the judgement of other geocachers and the CO. The site's TOU protects the website, not the cache owners. In this case, the cache owner certainly mislead the finder into believing that it had legal access, when it clearly didn't. I would say responsibility lies with both of them. Narcissa does make a good point. Unlike Arthur Fonzarelli, I can admit when I'm Wro. Wr-Wr-Wr-. Wro. I can't believe I still remember that episode.
  24. Wow! I have 22 finds on caches placed on Jan 12; that is by far my biggest day in January. I'll probably never get to your neck of the woods to find your cache, though. I'm glad this idea worked out for you. I suppose that in areas where there are a lot of small series of caches (as seems to be the case in the OPs area) this could happen quite easily. One of the logs on the tribute cache indicated that they had 15 or so placed on Jan. 12 but none on the 11th or 13th. All it would take would be for someone to place a series of 10 or more caches that were published that day. Before 2009 this probably would have been a lot less attainable as the notion of a caches series (a bunch of caches with a similar name all placed close to each other at the same time) just didn't happen much. I don't know, not a major arguement here, but I pretty much cache like it's still 2003 (seriously) and if you throw out what is, and probably will be my best day ever of 45 caches, I have several days of the year in the 30's, and a bunch more in the 20's. Unfortunately, Janurary 12th isn't one of them. Only 4 finds. The next day, January 13th I have 10. Close enough? EDIT: I'm an idiot. But actually much of what I say still applies. I have 4 days in January with 10+ hide dates, but only 6 on January 12th. By the way, I had no idea about your loss GeoCat, my sincere condolences.
  25. Believe me, your area is the only one. And even with The Geocaching Vlogger and The Geocaching Doc using it all the time, it's still not catching on with anyone. And talk about not catching on, I am only aware of one single solitary chirp cache in my entire region.
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