Team LyssLyss

I had this happen recently with the same app for Android, fixed by switching off, removing battery and sim and then putting it all back together again and switching back on. It all came back immediately. Maybe give that a try if you haven't already?

Thanks Cezanne, I appreciate your comments. I do appreciate that cultural and language hurdles can be more significant than one may realise at the time of posting a comment. I know from experience that sometimes people from other english speaking nations just don't "get" the Australian humour and have very little exposure to it (it's not like we have a huge amount of TV shows in other countries that may expose a little of our culture...and honestly we aren't like you see on "Neighbours" which I think may be the only show ever to have had any success outside Australia). I keep saying that I'm new here and to geocaching but wow have some of the threads I've read made me sit back and think...really?!? or good grief some people get worked up about what I think is no big deal. Then again I remind myself that if we were all the same it would be a very boring world.

We're newbies and think it's a great idea and one that I think our family need because apparently there are lots of unwritten not-to-dos that reading these forums has brought to our attention and we really don't want to do anything wrong. Not only that even just understanding all the different types of caches and the technical terms alone sometimes has our head swimming. We're still having fun though so it can't be all that bad.

Maybe I'm naive but to me it doesn't matter. If someone has the time and inclination to rush out and get a FTF, they still are working with the same information and possibly methods which are available to those who come after. I don't see why people who are able to get there first..repeatedly of course, are apparently shunned (maybe that is too strong a word but I'm struggling to come up with an alternative at the moment) by some members of the community. We are never likely to get a FTF (unless on pure luck) because the times available to us are limited due to other committments and life in general but for those that can..I say good on them. We cache for fun and time together as a family, we don't let other people's motivations detract from our enjoyment. As with just about everything in life (and as I said in another thread) different strokes for different folks.

+1 +2 We're new to this. Don't much care what it is, where it is, what it contains, the fun for us is an activity that gets us outside, together as a family, getting some exercise and spending time together, whether that be celebrating the thrill of the find or the disappointment of the DNF. We share it together. Lovely photo 6NoisyHikers! Thanks for sharing

Heavily moderated is not always a bad thing. No I suppose not, but then again some may consider that it isn't necessarily a good thing either (again with the different stokes theme). I haven't yet decided which side of the fence I sit in relation to moderation styles and levels on this forum. But watch with interest.

I try to behave like an adult and try to treat others respectfully, but I also like to be treated like an adult and not like an immature child. Forum rules, intervention and even mistakes of moderators are one thing, being referenced as a kid that is allowed to play on a playground is another. I can understand why many people refer to geocaching as a game they play, but I need to admit that I cannot understand what's behind regarding discussing in a forum as playing. Cezanne This is why it's so difficult for mods. Also why some posts may end up being reported. The different interpretation of the written word where tone is added (or not) by the reader, not necessarily the writer. You have clearly taken offence to what Sandy said whereas I took it as a metaphor and didn't find it offensive in the least. Different strokes and all that. As I said before, based upon my experience in these forums, I am not so certain that was simply a metaphor. And by that, I am not simply referring to actions that I have been the recipient of, personally. I can't speak for somebody else's reality, but I can speak for my own, and that is that the appearance of moderation here is very often that of a parent/child relationship, and not an adult/adult one. Huh. I never made the connection. Neither did I but then again, as I said, I've been here about 2 minutes compared to others and I have not had the same experience (yet?). I will admit that this forum does seem very heavily moderated compared to the others I frequent but as I usually come in after the ruckus has died down and lots of stuff has been removed I don't know whether it was called for or not. Thanks for putting that comment up, it gave me a different angle to consider this topic from.

I try to behave like an adult and try to treat others respectfully, but I also like to be treated like an adult and not like an immature child. Forum rules, intervention and even mistakes of moderators are one thing, being referenced as a kid that is allowed to play on a playground is another. I can understand why many people refer to geocaching as a game they play, but I need to admit that I cannot understand what's behind regarding discussing in a forum as playing. Cezanne You have clearly taken offence to what Sandy said whereas I took it as a metaphor and didn't find it offensive in the least. Different strokes and all that. not at all, don't forget that this is a worldwide game and the forum is accessible to many for whom english is not their first language, they don't know all the metaphors of the english language as such, moderators and staff, more than anyone else, should be sensitive and use language that will not be open for interpretation by those that are not native to english i know cezanne has a very good command of english and still took offense, now think of the others My point was not that Cezanne shouldn't have been offended, I simply quoted that post in an attempt to highlight the way in which one post can be taken to have different "tone" by comparing Cezanne's reaction to it to my own, as a backup to my point which was that different people interpret things differently. Different strokes for different folks still applies in my opinion. I repeat, that is why it is so difficult for mods. Not only how everything gets posted is open to individual interpretation but also the regional language barrier thing and many many other reasons. You can please some of the people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time. I think because of where I am from where traditionally many of us are a little irreverent and sarcastic (and I suspect Sandy may be from here too but I could be completely wrong there), I personally (note personally) interpret some of the things some people post in here, and I am not/would not directing this at anyone in particular, as condescending but that is MY interpretation and not necessarily the intention of the poster so I wouldn't comment or shoot someone down because of it...what if I am mistaken and end up looking like a super sensitive goose? I also don't have the benefit of being a long time member and having gotten a feel for the style of other regulars. Nothing I ever post on a forum would ever be intended as a flame or a swipe at someone, if I wanted to express my personal displeasure that would be done via pm or email and not on the boards.

I try to behave like an adult and try to treat others respectfully, but I also like to be treated like an adult and not like an immature child. Forum rules, intervention and even mistakes of moderators are one thing, being referenced as a kid that is allowed to play on a playground is another. I can understand why many people refer to geocaching as a game they play, but I need to admit that I cannot understand what's behind regarding discussing in a forum as playing. Cezanne This is why it's so difficult for mods. Also why some posts may end up being reported. The different interpretation of the written word where tone is added (or not) by the reader, not necessarily the writer. You have clearly taken offence to what Sandy said whereas I took it as a metaphor and didn't find it offensive in the least. Different strokes and all that. Rules and/or guidelines should be clear and concise. Vague things like "in the spirit of" or "family friendly" are open to individual interpretation and what one poster or even mod considers a breach others would not. If there is no grey area, there can be no confusion as to why things were locked or removed. Every other forum I use (and there are quite a few, some for which I am a mod) will have a mod or admin come in to the controversial discussion, warn people to settle down or whatever, if it continues then contact posters directly about their behaviour or inappropriate content and as a final straw for repeated offending, lock the thread or remove a post if it is warranted. It is a little unnerving to have posts disappear moments after reading them which has happened to me recently here. As a newcomer I see geocaching as a game/hobby/recreational pursuit. This forum is primarily discussions of and about a game/hobby/recreational pursuit. Although from reading through some of the threads it is apparent that some people do perhaps (IMHO) take it waaaay too seriously.

Hi, we're in Melbourne outer east. Lemmykc we've seen your nick in the logs of some of the GC's we've found. We are very new to this with only 16 finds to date. We would also be interested in a local group. Perhaps I might start a FB group too...will need to investigate how to do that. Edited to add link to the FB group I just created. https://www.facebook.com/groups/342508982428332/

Of the 10 or so videos my daughter looked at, not ONE showed where they were, hinted at where they were or provided enough information to work out where they were. Have you looked at any of them? However that is not the point I was trying to make. She did not seek out videos that show where a cache is, it however seems that is how you interpreted my post. So let me clarify. My daughter (did I mention she is only 10 years old) just wanted information and being 100% a child of the technical age, she went where google took her. That is not akin to using cheats or walkthroughs on a video game. I like to give her points for doing some research. If not for Sven's videos and links from there to other blogs we would never have bothered trying to find that first geocache because, quite frankly, the official videos on GS do absolutely nothing to inspire or spark enthusiasm. There may well be "plenty of help" out there but when you have no idea what it is or where to find it, it actually provides no help at all for complete novices.

I am responding here on behalf of my 10 year old daughter. Let me share her experience.. She comes home from school talking about geocaching which we had never heard of. So as we often do when investigating something, we tell her to Google it. As a result she finds the youtube account in question and we begin to watch. We are impressed by what we see and keep searching the internet until we find more information, a site that relates to Australia (which in turn is linked to this site and it's forums). We see that there is a cache hidden less than 500m from our house and off we go to find it without a GPS or any idea what we are doing. Our first lesson...don't trust what google street view shows you. A couple of days later, armed with the ipod app we find our first, then second, then third. We are hooked. Our family now spends time together, outdoors performing an activity that we all enjoy. Even the grandparents have become involved. That is priceless We would never have begun this journey if not for Sven's videos. Is that a bad thing? We are yet to hide a cache but are wanting to make it something special, something challenging and THAT is what we have taken from Sven's videos. Our family all agree that if we ever found one of our caches on Youtube in a way that does not provide enough information to locate it, we'd be flattered and proud! Clearly, going by the responses in this thread (yes I've read the whole thing) we geocache for the wrong reasons and should feel ashamed of ourselves for trying to source information online to help inform us and educate us about this activity. I say this because there is a great deal of venom in this thread about doing what we innocently did. Maybe it's just the Aussie relaxed attitude that makes us not understand why this became what it did. Thank you to everyone who remembers that newbies need help, however they can get it.