Moun10Bike Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 There have been logs on the Project APE cache today indicating that the lid, including the APE geocoin that was affixed, has walked off sometime earlier in the day. Does anyone have or know where I can get a replacement lid, ideally before the big event up there tomorrow? Thanks! Quote Link to comment
+Half-Canadian Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 If I had a lid that would fit, I would drive it down personally. So sorry to hear that the original has gone missing, and I hope whoever decided to take it with them decides to return it, hopefully before tomorrow. HC Quote Link to comment
+TotemLake Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Dang. There's always one in a crowd that's gotta wreck it for everyone else. Quote Link to comment
+WeightMan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Some years ago, the surplus store down by where Sears used to be had that size can. I haven't been there in years though. Hopefully the lid is there, just misplaced and forgotten to be replaced. Quote Link to comment
+ZeroHecksGiven Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Johnnycache79 mentioned yesterday he had an ape cache ammo can. If it's the same thing, that would work. I don't have his number off hand, but I'm sure someone can get that to you quick enough Quote Link to comment
+ZeroHecksGiven Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Also, if you don't find one by tonight, I can drive down to that area before dupont that has about five surplus stores and one of them may have one. Email me for my number if that's the case Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 NWCREW, I'll take you up on that offer. I looked at the online catalogs of a couple of downtown Seattle surplus stores and they didn't have that size (81mm rocket-propelled mortar ammo can measuring about 30" x 14" x 6"). Also, if someone can get a hold of Johnnycache79 that would be great. I'm sending you an email right now. Quote Link to comment
+MtnMutt-ProDuckShins Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I've got a Blue Gray Navy Can 9wide x 18 long x 14deep. All metal I could unload all the ammo out of it. Quote Link to comment
+FourKlinks Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 There is a cache near where I live which might have a container the same size as yours. Check out the pictures via the following link to see you can tell. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/gallery.asp...b3-dcfa5d0008e2 We could probably concoct a temporary lid for it while you were borrowing it for the APE cache. Quote Link to comment
+EraSeek Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Ed's surplus Lynnwood says no. Quote Link to comment
+FourKlinks Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I just got back from measuring the lid of mortar box at the cache I mentioned earlier. GC18TX. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GC18T6X It is 6" by 12". Would you like some photos? Quote Link to comment
Team Misguided Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Prying Pandora picked up our super sized ammo box this evening and will be taking it up to the Annette Lake trailhead in the morning. It's not quite as big as the ape cache container but it's pretty good sized. It will be a make do replacement until we can find the lid and get the real container back in business. Quote Link to comment
+hydnsek Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 (edited) Wanted to update everyone with what I know about the situation since Moun10Bike first alerted me this afternoon. We have a replacement lid that we think is the same size (thanks, johnny cache 79!), and ricksto is running it up to the cache at 7:00 am tomorrow (Friday), ahead of the Going APE event. If the lid doesn't fit, Team Misguided has donated a large ammo can as a temporary container, and Prying Pandora is dropping that at Annette early tomorrow, as well, for us to ferry up to the cache if needed. Thanks to all these folks for their generosity and rapid response, not only for this cache but to avoid disappointing all the APE cache seekers this weekend, including 500 at tomorrow's event. At tonight's Podcacher event, I met the folks who first reported the missing lid, and some cachers who were there earlier. They both had time-stamped photos, and we narrowed the theft to between 11:00 am and 1:00 pm today. With this many folks visiting the cache, and the thief most likely wanting the find, it should be easy to identify likely suspects if need be. Finally, WSGA had already told Moun10Bike we were donating one of the new APE coins to the cache, to be permanently affixed like the existing (hopefully not previous) one. That new coin was already activated ahead of tomorrow's event, so attendees could discover it, and we still plan to attach the coin after GeoWoodstock, regardless of the outcome of this situation. Edited July 2, 2010 by hydnsek Quote Link to comment
+AndrewRJ Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I will be there early for my shift and will help if need be in any way. There is always one in any crowd. Quote Link to comment
+ZeroHecksGiven Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Wanted to update everyone with what I know about the situation since Moun10Bike first alerted me this afternoon. Sorry for the phone call then, hope it fits Quote Link to comment
+webscouter. Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Is there any possibility that in someones haste they put the lid in the bottom of the can? Trying to be an optimist here. Quote Link to comment
+CACHE KRAWLER Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 This is really too bad. It seems Murphy has reared his ugly head at the one moment that he is always talked about. I live just two minutes away on post from the surplus stores in Tillicum and will stop by tomorrow and talk with all of them. If I find an exact matching morter can I will pick it up just incase none of the "temporarys" are an exact match. Anyone, please call me if it can be of assistance. Travis @(253) 278-0747. I will be heading up there on Saturday after GW8 with a friend who has not been there yet and can replace if need be. Just give me a call. If I don't hear anything between now and Saturday afternoon I won't bother packing it in if I find one. Just want to help out if I can. Quote Link to comment
+ZeroHecksGiven Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 This is really too bad. It seems Murphy has reared his ugly head at the one moment that he is always talked about. I live just two minutes away on post from the surplus stores in Tillicum and will stop by tomorrow and talk with all of them. If I find an exact matching morter can I will pick it up just incase none of the "temporarys" are an exact match. Anyone, please call me if it can be of assistance. Travis @(253) 278-0747. I will be heading up there on Saturday after GW8 with a friend who has not been there yet and can replace if need be. Just give me a call. If I don't hear anything between now and Saturday afternoon I won't bother packing it in if I find one. Just want to help out if I can. I called four of those surplus stores and all said no. One of them did say those 81mm rocket propelled guys are on a pallet behind the foxhole. So you may want to cruise around back, take a look and then go in and ask about them if so. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 It looks like we might have a replacement lid! Johnny Cache 79 did in fact have a can and is headed up with jcar before the event to fit it onto the can Thanks for everyone's help with this! I gotta run to try to make the event! Jon Quote Link to comment
+CACHE KRAWLER Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 This is really too bad. It seems Murphy has reared his ugly head at the one moment that he is always talked about. I live just two minutes away on post from the surplus stores in Tillicum and will stop by tomorrow and talk with all of them. If I find an exact matching morter can I will pick it up just incase none of the "temporarys" are an exact match. Anyone, please call me if it can be of assistance. Travis @(253) 278-0747. I will be heading up there on Saturday after GW8 with a friend who has not been there yet and can replace if need be. Just give me a call. If I don't hear anything between now and Saturday afternoon I won't bother packing it in if I find one. Just want to help out if I can. I called four of those surplus stores and all said no. One of them did say those 81mm rocket propelled guys are on a pallet behind the foxhole. So you may want to cruise around back, take a look and then go in and ask about them if so. Thanks for the info. I will head out here in a minute and go check. Even if the replacement does fit, I have an excuse to place a really cool cache. Glad we solved this problem ASAP. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 Update: the replacement lid was not the right fit - too wide and too short. (Many thanks to jcar, Johnny Cache 79 and ricksto for their heroic efforts, though!) So, the search continues! Quote Link to comment
+WRASTRO Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 What happened to the ammo can that used to be at HQ? Any chance the lid from that one could be used? Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 Jeremy slaps my hand right now anytime I even get close to that can! It's effectively a museum piece for the company and is going to stay in pristine shape on display in the lobby. Quote Link to comment
+Right Wing Wacko Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Jeremy slaps my hand right now anytime I even get close to that can! It's effectively a museum piece for the company and is going to stay in pristine shape on display in the lobby. It's a little late now for the Event, but I have an Ape Cache sized ammo can. I do not know if the lid will fit, but if you want it it's yours. I have had plans for years to place it up on the Iron Goat trail as a tribute to the Ape Cache, but have never actually gotten around to it. Quote Link to comment
+LewisClan77 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I have a can that is exactly the same as the Ape can. I am in Sacramento though. Feel free to contact me and I will give you the whole can. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 Thanks, LewisClan77. towtrkdug believes that he has an exact replacement, but if it ends up not fitting, I'll be contacting you! Quote Link to comment
+fizzymagic Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I just heard about this! How weird. FWIW, we logged the cache July 1 at 8:39 AM and the lid was there. How can people be so small? Luckily, the vast majority of cachers are awesome people. Quote Link to comment
+towtrkdug Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 Thanks, LewisClan77. towtrkdug believes that he has an exact replacement, but if it ends up not fitting, I'll be contacting you! Went up with my lid, and it also did not fit. Looked for about an hour and a half or so in the bushes down the hill under the power lines with no love. That was a time I really wanted to yell "FOUND IT !" but....DNF. Sorry guys, I tried. Quote Link to comment
Fledermaus Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 This may or may not apply to the Project Ape cache container, but it does work for the smaller ones. For those who want to secure the lid of their ammunition cans, try this: 1. Remove the lid from the can and set it aside. 2. Find a healthy pair of pliers or vise grips. 3. Grab a hold and remove (by twisting and pulling) the can's hinge pins and set aside as spare parts. 4. Re-mount the lid to the can so that the hinge is properly aligned. 5. Replace the pins with just one or two 16p nails or a single solid steel rod of the correct diameter. 6. Weld the nail(s) or rod on one or two ends or in the middle, so that the lid still opens and closes properly. 7. Paint the hinge assembly to prevent rust and add WD40 after paint has dried. 8. Modify as need to fit your own needs. I had concerns for one of my caches, after the lid and the cache contents had gone missing as well. Using the above procedure and with the can locked by a steel cable to a tree, the lid and the can aren't going anywhere or anytime soon! /\/(°w°)\/\ Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) Lid update - I got one that fit! I ordered a replacement can here the moment I first heard rumors of the theft and it arrived this morning. The can is shorter than the APE can, but the lid dimensions are a match. It was a perfect fit for the APE can that sits in the Groundspeak lobby. I'm going to paint it up and Mike, the Groundspeak artist, is going to help me recreate the stencil of the logo and lettering. hydnsek has one of the new APE coins to go on it, and I'm starting the search for one of the old ticket-style APE coins. Anyone got an extra they'd be willing to part with? If there's room I'd like to throw on one of my coins, too. The Fledermaus method of securing the lid won't work as there is no hinge on these cans. However, a simple cable through the rings and the holes on the flanges should work for at least the quick-and-easy swipe. Maybe we should have an event for replacing the lid and celebrating the return of the wholeness of the can! [Edit to add link to the can I found online] Edited July 7, 2010 by Moun10Bike Quote Link to comment
+ZeroHecksGiven Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I'd be down for an event. Any chance for a CITO in the area? I haven't been up there in ages though, so maybe nothing to do. Quote Link to comment
+hydnsek Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) I'd be down for an event. Any chance for a CITO in the area? I haven't been up there in ages though, so maybe nothing to do. Probably not much to CITO, as our trail sweeps and Annette crew cleaned up after the APE event (of course, lots of folks since then), but we'll have an "APE lid replacement" event of some sort, probably at Annette TH in a couple weeks. And we'll bring some trash bags, just in case. Edited July 7, 2010 by hydnsek Quote Link to comment
+Half-Canadian Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Good news about finding a lid! Thanks for keeping that special cache alive and intact for future seekers Quote Link to comment
+towtrkdug Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) Any way of replacing the A.P.E. movie literature thats all missing also ? The first time I went there was a script, a DVD, a bunch of publicity pics etc. They were not there this time. I have copies of the pics I can print. I also bought the same can Moun10bike did, but from a different source. It will be here Friday so I will hang onto it for future problems if they occur. Edited July 7, 2010 by towtrkdug Quote Link to comment
+MtnMutt-ProDuckShins Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Too bad this one is out in the open. We could set-up a Stealth Cam, it works night or day. That would keep our little taker of Caches at bay. Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Don't know if you want to do this or not, but drill a countersunk hole in the coins and mount them with flathead screws and nuts along with the epoxy or whatever you used to attach the coins. There will be hole in the lid but you should be able to seal that with some silicone seal. Perhaps the hole in the middle will make the coins unattractive for a personal collection or an ebay sale. But I am glad that you found a replacement and sounds like it will be fixed up just super spiffy. Quote Link to comment
+hydnsek Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Any way of replacing the A.P.E. movie literature thats all missing also ? The first time I went there was a script, a DVD, a bunch of publicity pics etc. They were not there this time. I have copies of the pics I can print. I also bought the same can Moun10bike did, but from a different source. It will be here Friday so I will hang onto it for future problems if they occur. Apparently, someone else took that without realizing it was meant to remain there. Supposedly, they are returning it, but who knows. Quote Link to comment
+hydnsek Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Don't know if you want to do this or not, but drill a countersunk hole in the coins and mount them with flathead screws and nuts along with the epoxy or whatever you used to attach the coins. There will be hole in the lid but you should be able to seal that with some silicone seal. Perhaps the hole in the middle will make the coins unattractive for a personal collection or an ebay sale. But I am glad that you found a replacement and sounds like it will be fixed up just super spiffy. The previous coin did in fact have two holes drilled in it and it was riveted to the lid on a hinge, so folks could see both sides. So it would be easy to spot if someone tries to sell it. Caliber has provided us with pics and details on how he did it, so that we can attach the new coins in a similar fashion. I'm donating (via WSGA) the new APE coin (gold GeoWoodstock edition), and jcar is donating a silver version of the original Ape coin (unless someone donates another gold Finders version). Quote Link to comment
+ZeroHecksGiven Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 When I mentioned CITO, I was thinking more along the lines of trail restoration/maintenance. But just a normal event works just fine for me Quote Link to comment
+ironman114 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 When I mentioned CITO, I was thinking more along the lines of trail restoration/maintenance. But just a normal event works just fine for me The National Forest Service frowns on just anybody doing trail maintenance other that the old saying: "knock a rock, kick a stick." If you really want to do some trail work this organization does a lot of work on trails throughout many parts of this state. Quote Link to comment
+ZeroHecksGiven Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I was just throwing out a suggestion and I wouldn't assume we'd just randomly do it. I know any CITO of that magnitude would need to go through the proper channels, much like the recent mt. Rainier and discovery park CITO events Quote Link to comment
+ironman114 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I was just throwing out a suggestion and I wouldn't assume we'd just randomly do it. I know any CITO of that magnitude would need to go through the proper channels, much like the recent mt. Rainier and discovery park CITO events Any one can pick up trash. They just have to take it with them unless arrangements are made for disposal. Just a reminder that clearing sticks and limbs and small rocks is ok just not maintenance that requires "tools". Happy Trails Ironman Quote Link to comment
+nelson crew Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I have a ticket-style APE coin I'd be willing to part with for this purpose. Granted, it's the non-special silver variety AND activated, but if you can't come up with something better just let me know. Quote Link to comment
+hydnsek Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I have a ticket-style APE coin I'd be willing to part with for this purpose. Granted, it's the non-special silver variety AND activated, but if you can't come up with something better just let me know. Thanks for the offer! Jcar has donated a silver version of the original APE coin, unactivated, which we are going to place in the revised lid next to the new gold APE coin. Quote Link to comment
+nelson crew Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Thanks for the offer! Jcar has donated a silver version of the original APE coin, unactivated, which we are going to place in the revised lid next to the new gold APE coin. Fantastic! Can't wait to discover it next time we're up that way. As if we needed another excuse to hike that trail... Quote Link to comment
+hydnsek Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Just wanted to let everyone know that Lid Reattachment Day is July 24 and we're celebrating with an event: Putting a Lid on the APE. Hope you can join us to rejuvenate the APE cache! Quote Link to comment
+DragonsWest Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Just wanted to let everyone know that Lid Reattachment Day is July 24 and we're celebrating with an event: Putting a Lid on the APE. Hope you can join us to rejuvenate the APE cache! I trust you have someone who will be able to braze the hinge pin or like, to see this doen't happen again. (Not certain what is possible with this size container) Quote Link to comment
+towtrkdug Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 The container I purchased also arrived and is correct. I will store it away if ever needed, which will be hopefully never....but at least another is "In The House". Quote Link to comment
+hydnsek Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Just wanted to let everyone know that Lid Reattachment Day is July 24 and we're celebrating with an event: Putting a Lid on the APE. Hope you can join us to rejuvenate the APE cache! I trust you have someone who will be able to braze the hinge pin or like, to see this doen't happen again. (Not certain what is possible with this size container) Moun10Bike has a plan to avoid another premature lid detachment. Quote Link to comment
+MtnMutt-ProDuckShins Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Hope to attend as I get back from Gresham Friday evening, it is one of those one day trips I hate. Leaving in a few minutes. I'd most likely need a ride from North Bend. Anyone got a spare seat, I could meet at Twede's? Just tell me a time to be there..... Quote Link to comment
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