+WRITE SHOP ROBERT Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Wouldn't that be nice, and make it easier to figure out where to find the listings? Quote Link to comment
+J the Goat Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I like it, my vote is yes. Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Gee, I kind of like it the way it is now, it is a challenge to find the challenge! Quote Link to comment
+roziecakes Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I like that idea as well! But then again, I'm a big challenge cache freak. They are my favorite. Currently working on three. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 If they had stringent guidelines about what constitutes a "challenge," that might be okay. Right now a lot of the "challenge" caches I'm seeing are just this side of being lame ALRs, and now people are creating sock puppet accounts so they can place caches for themselves to "find" in order to fulfill these challenges. Making challenge caches more official might be a good way to bring this under control. That, or just ban them, but that would be unfortunate since there are some good ones out there. Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 If they had stringent guidelines about what constitutes a "challenge," that might be okay. Right now a lot of the "challenge" caches I'm seeing are just this side of being lame ALRs, and now people are creating sock puppet accounts so they can place caches for themselves to "find" in order to fulfill these challenges. Making challenge caches more official might be a good way to bring this under control. That, or just ban them, but that would be unfortunate since there are some good ones out there. From the knowledge base - Callenge Caches. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 If they had stringent guidelines about what constitutes a "challenge," that might be okay. Right now a lot of the "challenge" caches I'm seeing are just this side of being lame ALRs, and now people are creating sock puppet accounts so they can place caches for themselves to "find" in order to fulfill these challenges. Making challenge caches more official might be a good way to bring this under control. That, or just ban them, but that would be unfortunate since there are some good ones out there. From the knowledge base - Callenge Caches. Providing a link without comment doesn't really elucidate any kind of point. Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 If they had stringent guidelines about what constitutes a "challenge," that might be okay. Right now a lot of the "challenge" caches I'm seeing are just this side of being lame ALRs, and now people are creating sock puppet accounts so they can place caches for themselves to "find" in order to fulfill these challenges. Making challenge caches more official might be a good way to bring this under control. That, or just ban them, but that would be unfortunate since there are some good ones out there. From the knowledge base - Callenge Caches. Providing a link without comment doesn't really elucidate any kind of point. Sorry, I guess some people need to have things explained to them using small words and lots of color photographs. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Sorry, I guess some people need to have things explained to them using small words and lots of color photographs. Sorry, I guess some people can't explain what their point is in their own words. Is it your point that Groundspeak already has some standards about challenge caches and further guidelines and/or enforcement aren't necessary? Or is it your point that these standards are poorly enforced, and that's why so many poor-quality challenge caches are getting through the review process? Again, simply posting a link doesn't explain much. Quote Link to comment
+WRITE SHOP ROBERT Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 If they had stringent guidelines about what constitutes a "challenge," that might be okay. Right now a lot of the "challenge" caches I'm seeing are just this side of being lame ALRs, and now people are creating sock puppet accounts so they can place caches for themselves to "find" in order to fulfill these challenges. Making challenge caches more official might be a good way to bring this under control. That, or just ban them, but that would be unfortunate since there are some good ones out there. Well, they could just make it so that certain requirements need to be met to qualify a Challenge Cache to get the Icon. Like they have done with the Lost & Found. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 If they had stringent guidelines about what constitutes a "challenge," that might be okay. Right now a lot of the "challenge" caches I'm seeing are just this side of being lame ALRs, and now people are creating sock puppet accounts so they can place caches for themselves to "find" in order to fulfill these challenges. Making challenge caches more official might be a good way to bring this under control. That, or just ban them, but that would be unfortunate since there are some good ones out there. Well, they could just make it so that certain requirements need to be met to qualify a Challenge Cache to get the Icon. Like they have done with the Lost & Found. Yeah, something like that. Better standards and/or enforcement of those standards would improve things. I enjoy geocaching challenges (i.e. lists of geocaches that, as a group, form a substantial challenge), but "challenge caches," at least in my area, are becoming a bit of a blight on the game because they're ubiquitous and uniformly lame. Quote Link to comment
+roziecakes Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Yeah, something like that. Better standards and/or enforcement of those standards would improve things. I enjoy geocaching challenges (i.e. lists of geocaches that, as a group, form a substantial challenge), but "challenge caches," at least in my area, are becoming a bit of a blight on the game because they're ubiquitous and uniformly lame. I agree, if there is an icon to be made, there should be good guidelines or standards in place. I still would love to see an icon like this done. I just really like challenge caches... but non-lame ones are certainly better. Here is one of our favorites that we did for our 500th find... it was really fun. GC1PA00 Quote Link to comment
+Touchstone Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I agree, if there is an icon to be made, there should be good guidelines or standards in place. I still would love to see an icon like this done. I just really like challenge caches... but non-lame ones are certainly better. Better standards and/or enforcement of those standards would improve things. You mean, like institute some sort of quality standard or "Wow!" Factor to Challenge Caches? I think we've been down that road before Quote Link to comment
+tobe4evr1 Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Good idea....but I do agree that not just any cache that calls itself a challenge is a challenge.....there should be some pretty tight guidelines to qualify. Quote Link to comment
fishiam Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I think this is an excellent idea as well. I have two challenge caches (here and here) but after reading the Knowledge Base "points to consider", I'm wondering if mine are of the type of "grandfathered caches do exist out there which would not be publishable today." In particular, this point: 7. Requiring cachers to find an explicit list of caches (rather than a broader category of caches) will likely prevent publication of the cache listing. would prevent publishing since the Challenge is to find (or be the owner of) ALL active caches within the Seattle city limits. cheers fish ps - I certainly don't mean to hijack this thread and if I should move this to a new, separate thread I'd be happy to do so. I just thought this might add to the discussion of Challenge caches. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 You mean, like institute some sort of quality standard or "Wow!" Factor to Challenge Caches? I think we've been down that road before I'm thinking more along the lines of what good challenge caches already have. For starters, I think that only caches published BEFORE the challenge cache should qualify. That eliminates the sock puppet nonsense and friends placing caches for each other that's been happening around here. The knowledge-base link that jholly provided does speak to some of the things that are necessary, but I don't see those standards being applied by cache owners or reviewers. Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'm thinking more along the lines of what good challenge caches already have. For starters, I think that only caches published BEFORE the challenge cache should qualify. That eliminates the sock puppet nonsense and friends placing caches for each other that's been happening around here. That simply doesn't work. The The Jasmer Challenge (Northern California Edition) (GC1GBC1) requires caches after the published date as well as before. Other caches like the Kitsap County Challenge (GC19B6J) require found caches *after* the published date. The reason for this is very simple, someone that has been caching for a while would complete the challenge as soon as they check their GSAK database. Yeah, some of us hide caches for other players, but so what? There were more caches for every one to find. I think you need to rethink your position on this one. Quote Link to comment
+ThePetersTrio Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I would definitely be in favor of a unique icon for Challenge Caches. I hope TPTB will consider it. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'm thinking more along the lines of what good challenge caches already have. For starters, I think that only caches published BEFORE the challenge cache should qualify. That eliminates the sock puppet nonsense and friends placing caches for each other that's been happening around here. That simply doesn't work. The The Jasmer Challenge (Northern California Edition) (GC1GBC1) requires caches after the published date as well as before. Other caches like the Kitsap County Challenge (GC19B6J) require found caches *after* the published date. The reason for this is very simple, someone that has been caching for a while would complete the challenge as soon as they check their GSAK database. Yeah, some of us hide caches for other players, but so what? There were more caches for every one to find. I think you need to rethink your position on this one. My area has no lack of caches, but challenge caches are contributing to a decline in cache quality. Lately there have been a rash of sock puppet accounts in this area. These accounts are being used to create caches that fill in rare D/T combinations, or to place caches that start with particular letters of the alphabet to meet another challenge. The best challenge caches I've seen have addressed this nonsense by limiting the challenge to caches placed before the challenge cache. And then, of course, there are the cache owners who overlook the requirements of their own challenges and let people log them without completing the challenge, which sparks complaints from those who have. And the cachers who find the challenge cache before completing the challenge, sign the log, and then post a found log later on. The ridiculous little issues go on and on. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more angry threads about it. I would like to see TPTB address these issues, either by recognizing that challenge caches are just ornate ALRs and getting rid of them, or by getting them under control in some way. Quote Link to comment
+WRITE SHOP ROBERT Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 I agree, if there is an icon to be made, there should be good guidelines or standards in place. I still would love to see an icon like this done. I just really like challenge caches... but non-lame ones are certainly better. Better standards and/or enforcement of those standards would improve things. You mean, like institute some sort of quality standard or "Wow!" Factor to Challenge Caches? I think we've been down that road before I don't think a "WOW" factor, or quality of the challenge or the Cache at the end, but just strict rules applied to qualify the Cache for the Icon(like there are for Earthcaches) Quote Link to comment
+WRITE SHOP ROBERT Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 It looks like at least a few people here would be interested, maybe this should be a feature request(moved to the website section?) Quote Link to comment
+WRITE SHOP ROBERT Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'm thinking more along the lines of what good challenge caches already have. For starters, I think that only caches published BEFORE the challenge cache should qualify. That eliminates the sock puppet nonsense and friends placing caches for each other that's been happening around here. That simply doesn't work. The The Jasmer Challenge (Northern California Edition) (GC1GBC1) requires caches after the published date as well as before. Other caches like the Kitsap County Challenge (GC19B6J) require found caches *after* the published date. The reason for this is very simple, someone that has been caching for a while would complete the challenge as soon as they check their GSAK database. Yeah, some of us hide caches for other players, but so what? There were more caches for every one to find. I think you need to rethink your position on this one. I agree that there's nothing wrong at all with hiding Caches aimed at a particular finder, as long as they are also available for everyone else. Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'm thinking more along the lines of what good challenge caches already have. For starters, I think that only caches published BEFORE the challenge cache should qualify. That eliminates the sock puppet nonsense and friends placing caches for each other that's been happening around here. That simply doesn't work. The The Jasmer Challenge (Northern California Edition) (GC1GBC1) requires caches after the published date as well as before. Other caches like the Kitsap County Challenge (GC19B6J) require found caches *after* the published date. The reason for this is very simple, someone that has been caching for a while would complete the challenge as soon as they check their GSAK database. Yeah, some of us hide caches for other players, but so what? There were more caches for every one to find. I think you need to rethink your position on this one. My area has no lack of caches, but challenge caches are contributing to a decline in cache quality. Lately there have been a rash of sock puppet accounts in this area. These accounts are being used to create caches that fill in rare D/T combinations, or to place caches that start with particular letters of the alphabet to meet another challenge. The best challenge caches I've seen have addressed this nonsense by limiting the challenge to caches placed before the challenge cache. And then, of course, there are the cache owners who overlook the requirements of their own challenges and let people log them without completing the challenge, which sparks complaints from those who have. And the cachers who find the challenge cache before completing the challenge, sign the log, and then post a found log later on. The ridiculous little issues go on and on. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more angry threads about it. I would like to see TPTB address these issues, either by recognizing that challenge caches are just ornate ALRs and getting rid of them, or by getting them under control in some way. People that like Delorme, county, and more arcane challenges like the Jasmer challenges will not agree with you with getting rid of challange caches. If there are specific problems with specific caches then perhaps an email to contact@geocaching.com might be in order. But the best thing is if they get your undies in a bunch then that is what an ignore list is for. Ignore the challenges and you will feel better. Quote Link to comment
+ThePetersTrio Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 (edited) I'm thinking more along the lines of what good challenge caches already have. For starters, I think that only caches published BEFORE the challenge cache should qualify. That eliminates the sock puppet nonsense and friends placing caches for each other that's been happening around here. That simply doesn't work. The The Jasmer Challenge (Northern California Edition) (GC1GBC1) requires caches after the published date as well as before. Other caches like the Kitsap County Challenge (GC19B6J) require found caches *after* the published date. The reason for this is very simple, someone that has been caching for a while would complete the challenge as soon as they check their GSAK database. Yeah, some of us hide caches for other players, but so what? There were more caches for every one to find. I think you need to rethink your position on this one. My area has no lack of caches, but challenge caches are contributing to a decline in cache quality. Lately there have been a rash of sock puppet accounts in this area. These accounts are being used to create caches that fill in rare D/T combinations, or to place caches that start with particular letters of the alphabet to meet another challenge. The best challenge caches I've seen have addressed this nonsense by limiting the challenge to caches placed before the challenge cache. And then, of course, there are the cache owners who overlook the requirements of their own challenges and let people log them without completing the challenge, which sparks complaints from those who have. And the cachers who find the challenge cache before completing the challenge, sign the log, and then post a found log later on. The ridiculous little issues go on and on. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more angry threads about it. I would like to see TPTB address these issues, either by recognizing that challenge caches are just ornate ALRs and getting rid of them, or by getting them under control in some way. People that like Delorme, county, and more arcane challenges like the Jasmer challenges will not agree with you with getting rid of challange caches. If there are specific problems with specific caches then perhaps an email to contact@geocaching.com might be in order. But the best thing is if they get your undies in a bunch then that is what an ignore list is for. Ignore the challenges and you will feel better. I don't know about the whole sock puppet thing but I always thought more caches to hunt for were better than less. If people want to place them for others to assist them along with their quest for a Challenge cache then more power to them IMHO. I have only had the good fortune to complete one Challenge cache so far and I am currently working on several more simultaneously and planning to place one of my own. I see nothing wrong with having a unique icon for them nor with more caches being placed because of them. I'd think Groundspeak would welcome more caches as long as they comply with the listing guidelines. Edited May 11, 2010 by ThePetersTrio Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 (edited) People that like Delorme, county, and more arcane challenges like the Jasmer challenges will not agree with you with getting rid of challange caches. If there are specific problems with specific caches then perhaps an email to contact@geocaching.com might be in order. But the best thing is if they get your undies in a bunch then that is what an ignore list is for. Ignore the challenges and you will feel better. I wouldn't say that my underwear is in any way affected by challenge caches and sock puppet accounts, but since this is a public forum and the topic at hand is about challenge caches, I'll continue to express my opinion on the matter. Unfortunately, the many valid points you've made have been undermined by the aggressive tone you've taken. Disagreement about a game is not the end of the world! Edited May 11, 2010 by narcissa Quote Link to comment
+WRITE SHOP ROBERT Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Actually the topic at hand was supposed to be whether people would like to see a seperate Icon for challenge caches, not just a generic discussion of Challenge Caches, or underwear. Thanks for getting back on topic. Quote Link to comment
+genegene Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Add me in as one who would like the separate icon. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Quote Link to comment
+GeoGeeBee Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Wouldn't that be nice, and make it easier to figure out where to find the listings? An icon would make it easier to find them. Even better, in my opinion, would be to include a "keyword" field in pocket queries. Then I could search for caches I haven't found, within my state, that have the word "challenge" in the title. This would be more generically useful. One could search out challenge caches, or scouting caches, or many other cache types that don't have their own icon. Quote Link to comment
+ChileHead Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Wouldn't that be nice. The cache part of a challenge cache is irrelevant in most cases. It's just the last place you go after completing the challenge. The challenge cache page itself is just the place you go to tell your story about finding all the other caches in the challenge - not the challenge cache. Quote Link to comment
+baloo&bd Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 (edited) It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Moot indeed. The icon won't matter since no one will see them there. Edited May 11, 2010 by baloo&bd Quote Link to comment
+ThePetersTrio Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Can I ask what the rationale for this is? I've been working my butt off to complete several challenges and this decision effectively takes the wind right out of my sails. Quote Link to comment
+roziecakes Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Can I ask what the rationale for this is? I've been working my butt off to complete several challenges and this decision effectively takes the wind right out of my sails. I think he's joking... Quote Link to comment
+ThePetersTrio Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Can I ask what the rationale for this is? I've been working my butt off to complete several challenges and this decision effectively takes the wind right out of my sails. I think he's joking... I hope you're right! (I did check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st and noted the lack of emoticons that would indicate a tease...) Briansnat, care to clarify here? Quote Link to comment
+roziecakes Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I hope you're right! (I did check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st and noted the lack of emoticons that would indicate a tease...) Briansnat, care to clarify here? I hope so too, we've done a lot of work toward that DeLorme challenge so far!! Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Can I ask what the rationale for this is? I've been working my butt off to complete several challenges and this decision effectively takes the wind right out of my sails. I think he's joking... I hope you're right! (I did check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st and noted the lack of emoticons that would indicate a tease...) Briansnat, care to clarify here? I don't think so. I've heard that when they move challenge caches to Waymarking they are also going make waymarks counters. There is a rumor that a group down in Los Angeles is preparing a power trail of KFC's and Mickey D's. Quote Link to comment
+roziecakes Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I don't think so. I've heard that when they move challenge caches to Waymarking they are also going make waymarks counters. There is a rumor that a group down in Los Angeles is preparing a power trail of KFC's and Mickey D's. They should make a Starbucks power trail too... then you can stay caffeinated enough to stay up for 24 hours caching and break the world record. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Can I ask what the rationale for this is? I've been working my butt off to complete several challenges and this decision effectively takes the wind right out of my sails. I think he's joking... I hope you're right! (I did check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st and noted the lack of emoticons that would indicate a tease...) Briansnat, care to clarify here? He was joking. Quote Link to comment
+Lil Devil Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Nice one Brian. That took on a life of it's own pretty quick Quote Link to comment
+ThePetersTrio Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Can I ask what the rationale for this is? I've been working my butt off to complete several challenges and this decision effectively takes the wind right out of my sails. I think he's joking... I hope you're right! (I did check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st and noted the lack of emoticons that would indicate a tease...) Briansnat, care to clarify here? He was joking. For goodness sakes man - at least throw in an emoticon or something!! Geez...that'll be 30 lashes with a wet cache log. Quote Link to comment
+South Lyon Trekkers Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I like the idea. I posted it two years ago, but it didn't seem to be met with a great reception. Forum post Quote Link to comment
+BulldogBlitz Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 i don't like the idea. in fact, i just made 8 sockets and submitted requests to make all icons the same.... because it wasn't fair that there were all these different icons out there. Quote Link to comment
+Vater_Araignee Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I like the idea. I posted it two years ago, but it didn't seem to be met with a great reception. Forum post I didn't read past your post in the link but I can immediately tell you what some of the resistance is in the rest of the thread because of two lines. This cache type would show completion of the challenge and not necessitate an actual cache whose location could be some distance within the state or country. Since this is a challenge, the completion of the challenge is what would count and not the find of a cache that is to represent the completion. No physical cache. Proposal is only for tracking stats. I'm all for challenge caches having their own icon/type, but there needs to be a physical cache. Quote Link to comment
+Touchstone Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 He was joking. Darn....you had my hopes up there. I kind of like the idea of doing away with all cache icons. The whole issue could be resolved with a handful of attributes Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 It's a moot point. Challenge caches are being moved over to Waymarking effective June 1st. Can I ask what the rationale for this is? I've been working my butt off to complete several challenges and this decision effectively takes the wind right out of my sails. I think he's joking... I hope you're right! (I did check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st and noted the lack of emoticons that would indicate a tease...) Briansnat, care to clarify here? He was joking. For goodness sakes man - at least throw in an emoticon or something!! Geez...that'll be 30 lashes with a wet cache log. It's hard to convey dry humor online, but the addition of an emoticon would totally destroy any attempt at dry humor. Quote Link to comment
+GeoGeeBee Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 They should make a Starbucks power trail too... then you can stay caffeinated enough to stay up for 24 hours caching and break the world record. In most larger American cities, Starbucks locations already form a power trail. If you're standing in front of a Starbucks, you can usually see another one down the street. In fact, some of them may be too close for the cache saturation guideline. Quote Link to comment
+Vater_Araignee Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 They should make a Starbucks power trail too... then you can stay caffeinated enough to stay up for 24 hours caching and break the world record. In most larger American cities, Starbucks locations already form a power trail. If you're standing in front of a Starbucks, you can usually see another one down the street. In fact, some of them may be too close for the cache saturation guideline. I found this one place where there where 4 all on the corners of a crossroad. I tried to walk to the center to better take in what I saw but passed out when I got there. When I came to I was being handed a triple shot of espresso with red eye chaser. The clerk said "That will be 3 gold troys and 6 bits silver." somehow I payed it. I slammed the espresso and barfed, it tasted like a thin corn soup loaded with nodoze. "Where the hell is my coffee" I yelled and every one started laughing. "Hasn't been any coffee for 50 years" someone said. "About twenty years after they where the only growers of coffee, their entire crop got wiped out by a mutation." said another. "When do you think your from, twenty 50?" that's when I woke back up in the middle of the street laying in a pool that smelled faintly of corn. I called their HQ to tell them what I say and as soon as I hung up there was a knock at the door. I opened the door and before I could say a thing I was told that I didn't see what I thought I saw, it was either a reflection of Venus or swamp gas and they left. A couple day later I decided to go check it out again but one of them was brunt to the ground and the one kitty corner from it was selling Monsanto seed and Roundup. I'm telling ya, don't mess with Starbuck locations, strange things happen. Quote Link to comment
+drfred Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 They should make a Starbucks power trail too... then you can stay caffeinated enough to stay up for 24 hours caching and break the world record. In most larger American cities, Starbucks locations already form a power trail. If you're standing in front of a Starbucks, you can usually see another one down the street. In fact, some of them may be too close for the cache saturation guideline. I'll bet that Starbucks is a waymark. And probably in 3 different categories! Quote Link to comment
+roziecakes Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 They should make a Starbucks power trail too... then you can stay caffeinated enough to stay up for 24 hours caching and break the world record. In most larger American cities, Starbucks locations already form a power trail. If you're standing in front of a Starbucks, you can usually see another one down the street. In fact, some of them may be too close for the cache saturation guideline. I'll bet that Starbucks is a waymark. And probably in 3 different categories! Hey, I'll bet you're right And yes, Starbucks probably do go over the cache saturation guideline in most cities I would imagine... especially those ones across the street from each other. Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 From the knowledge base - Callenge Caches.jholly - thanks for posting this link. I hadn't seen it before and I found it a lot more detailed and enlightening than the section on challenge caches in the guidelines section in the "Requirements / Guidelines" section on the main web site. Appreciate it. Quote Link to comment
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