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We're pretty new (started in July....60+ caches). I'm not sure if this should bug me as much as it does, so figured I could ask here. If a cacher leaves something very coveted (say, something handmade that's very popular and "wanted"), is it acceptable for the cache owner to go and grab it? I know sometimes a person who has previously found a cache will return to it to grab stuff. Is all of this type stuff generally accepted or is it bad form? Really makes me wonder whether we should ever even try for any of the "special" things noted in logs....after all, we would actually have to FIND the cache to get the prize. Sorry for my rant.

 

Buzz

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It's your choice whether to let it bug you. Some will say it's a terrible breach of courtesy by a selfish cache owner, others will shrug their shoulders and say they don't care. Suppose you went out to find that rare item, only to discover that the owner beat you there by 20 minutes. Did you still have fun getting outdoors and hiking to the cache? That would be my test, not the value of any trinket.

 

Ethically, I personally think that it is OK for the owner to return and remove an item from their cache after it's been in place, provided that they trade something of equal value so as to keep up the swag quality of their own cache for future visitors. Others may say it's the owner's cache and they can do whatever they would like with the items left there (trackables with travel orders excepted).

 

In any event, if the owner gets a reputation for doing this repeatedly, I'd sure think twice about leaving anything nice in one of his caches. I have a nice story in that regard. For milestone finds, I leave a $20 bill in the logbook as a free surprise gift for the next finder. I then leave a cryptic message in my online log. For my 1800th find, the cache owner got curious and did the 2.5 mile hike to his cache, just to find out what I left there. He left it in place, and wrote me a nice e-mail to thank me for visiting his cache and leaving a good log and a good trade. A few days later, a newbie was delighted to find the surprise Jackson. There is bad karma and good karma in geocaching.

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I think it is fine....I'm sorry if you don't agree, but if the cache owner went to the site to remove the container for reasons of archival or construction in the area what is the owner going to do with the stuff inside? We can't leave the contents of the cache in the hiding spot and keep the listing active until cachers come and FIND/take the stuff....the cache owner can do whatever he wants to do with the contents of a cache that they own.

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My opinion......that item was meant to be available to the next finder. We don't trade items to reward cache owners.

That's not really true, in my opinion. Many people save thier cool sig items for better caches. Certainly this would be seen as a reward for the cache owner's effort to create a really good cache.

 

Either way, many things that are placed in caches are hard to value. That makes all the 'trade fairly' threads a little difficult to get a good grasp on. Certainly, it could be argued that if the cache owner already placed many good items into a cache (either initially or by restocking), then he/she can not be faulted by occasionally removing a cool item without trading.

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I think it is fine....I'm sorry if you don't agree, but if the cache owner went to the site to remove the container for reasons of archival or construction in the area what is the owner going to do with the stuff inside? We can't leave the contents of the cache in the hiding spot and keep the listing active until cachers come and FIND/take the stuff....the cache owner can do whatever he wants to do with the contents of a cache that they own.

 

I understand what you're saying here. The "special" item was placed by the third visitor to a new cache. The fourth visitor left the item for "the next lucky finder" as they already one. Cache owner (who already has two) then went and retreived it. Guess I play different. I'm new and they're not. This wasn't a cache being maintenanced, this was an owner going only because the item was there.

 

Thanks all for your opinions

 

-Buzz

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... I understand what you're saying here. The "special" item was placed by the third visitor to a new cache. The fourth visitor left the item for "the next lucky finder" as they already one. Cache owner (who already has two) then went and retreived it. Guess I play different. I'm new and they're not. This wasn't a cache being maintenanced, this was an owner going only because the item was there.

If it were a travel bug or geocoin, would you still feel the same way?

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It doesn't bother me. I fairly recently left a desireable item in a cache and the owner went out and retrieved it. That was just fine with me. If anything, I liked the idea of the owner being rewarded for what was a nice cache.

 

With that said, certainly there is room for disagreement on this stuff. If you don't want the owner or a previous finder taking something, I suggest noting that in your log. Obviously that can't stop such a person from picking it up anyway, but it would look rather rude if they did.

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... I understand what you're saying here. The "special" item was placed by the third visitor to a new cache. The fourth visitor left the item for "the next lucky finder" as they already one. Cache owner (who already has two) then went and retreived it. Guess I play different. I'm new and they're not. This wasn't a cache being maintenanced, this was an owner going only because the item was there.

If it were a travel bug or geocoin, would you still feel the same way?

 

Probably not. I'm not sure that I would drive the same distance for a 1.5/1.5 to grab a TB or coin as I would to grab something handmade. I probably now sound whiney because I didn't get the item. That's not really true, it just felt like what I expected should happen isn't what happened. Wouldn't even question if another cacher came across it. Just feels weird to know that someone can sit on a cache and grab whatever they want without giving anyone else even a chance for it and that it seems to be accepted.

 

I'll continue to play my way. Just thought I'd ask for opinions. Thanks again

 

Buzz

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My opinion......that item was meant to be available to the next finder. We don't trade items to reward cache owners.

That's not really true, in my opinion. Many people save thier cool sig items for better caches. Certainly this would be seen as a reward for the cache owner's effort to create a really good cache.

Last week I got a nice, unsolicited note from the owner of an old cache in the southwest. I loved the cache and had a glowing log. The owner thanked me for the nice note. I told him I left one of my personal coins in the cache without making any comment about it, which I often do. I asked him to go get the coin if he wanted it as my gift to him. He did. Somewhere in the 50 caches I did while out there are about 4 or 5 more coins. I did not indicate that I left them in any of the caches. I intend them as fun surprises for the next finders. If a cache owner gets it they deserve it for their efforts in my opinion.

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... That's not really true, it just felt like what I expected should happen isn't what happened. Wouldn't even question if another cacher came across it. Just feels weird to know that someone can sit on a cache and grab whatever they want without giving anyone else even a chance for it and that it seems to be accepted. ...

Unless the cache is in the owner's front yard (different thread), that isn't what happened. Anyone who is interested could have recieved notification of the trade at the same time as the cache owner. The cache owner has a slight leap on those individuals who have never found the cache before, but no lead on those cachers that had. Either way, one can never assume that an item is in a cache just because there is no mention of it being traded out in the on-line logs.

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... That's not really true, it just felt like what I expected should happen isn't what happened. Wouldn't even question if another cacher came across it. Just feels weird to know that someone can sit on a cache and grab whatever they want without giving anyone else even a chance for it and that it seems to be accepted. ...

Unless the cache is in the owner's front yard (different thread), that isn't what happened. Anyone who is interested could have recieved notification of the trade at the same time as the cache owner. The cache owner has a slight leap on those individuals who have never found the cache before, but no lead on those cachers that had. Either way, one can never assume that an item is in a cache just because there is no mention of it being traded out in the on-line logs.

 

Point taken. Just my frustration at a rainy/snowy Monday showing up, I guess. Thanks

 

-Buzz

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My opinion......that item was meant to be available to the next finder. We don't trade items to reward cache owners.

That's not really true, in my opinion. Many people save thier cool sig items for better caches. Certainly this would be seen as a reward for the cache owner's effort to create a really good cache.

Last week I got a nice, unsolicited note from the owner of an old cache in the southwest. I loved the cache and had a glowing log. The owner thanked me for the nice note. I told him I left one of my personal coins in the cache without making any comment about it, which I often do. I asked him to go get the coin if he wanted it as my gift to him. He did. Somewhere in the 50 caches I did while out there are about 4 or 5 more coins. I did not indicate that I left them in any of the caches. I intend them as fun surprises for the next finders. If a cache owner gets it they deserve it for their efforts in my opinion.

 

 

"I told him I left one of my personal coins in the cache without making any comment about it, which I often do. I asked him to go get the coin if he wanted it as my gift to him."

 

....is different than....

 

"I intend them as fun surprises for the next finders."

 

Can an owner "find" his own cache?

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Well I look at it this way, the cache is mine and whatever ends up inside it becomes my property to ethically deal with - I'm not greedy, just enjoy having a good time.

 

Now I have gone out only once and removed a special item and a traveling cache that was left in one of my harder caches. I would rather enjoy the surprise rather than knowing something special was left in the cache and run out the door to get it.

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I can't call it unethical, since everybody with a GC account pretty much has the same ability as the owner. Personally, it's not something I would do. I recognize that the cache belongs to me, and I can even accept the principle that I have a right to "adjust" any contents therein. It's just not something I would be comfortable doing. To each his own, and no judgments made.

 

If someone posted "Took McToy, left handgun/booze/porn/etc", I'd be out the door in a minute to remove it, but unless there was a note to the contrary, I would figure a kewl, handmade trinket was meant for another finder, not for me. Just $0.02 from an ol' fat guy. ;)

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... That's not really true, it just felt like what I expected should happen isn't what happened. Wouldn't even question if another cacher came across it. Just feels weird to know that someone can sit on a cache and grab whatever they want without giving anyone else even a chance for it and that it seems to be accepted. ...

Unless the cache is in the owner's front yard (different thread), that isn't what happened. Anyone who is interested could have recieved notification of the trade at the same time as the cache owner. The cache owner has a slight leap on those individuals who have never found the cache before, but no lead on those cachers that had. Either way, one can never assume that an item is in a cache just because there is no mention of it being traded out in the on-line logs.

 

Point taken. Just my frustration at a rainy/snowy Monday showing up, I guess. Thanks

 

-Buzz

AHA! The real motivation behind this rant finally comes out. :D;)

 

Should you let this bug you; no that wouldn't be healthy, and you have no control over it anyway.

Was the cache owner OK to do this-maybe. But if they make it a habit, that behavior will become common knowledge in your area, and cachers will just stop leaving the cool stuff in that cachers hides if they intend for the items to be found by other cachers and not to become gifts for that particular cache owner.

Besides, isn't it really about the adventure of the journey and not the swag? :)

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AHA! The real motivation behind this rant finally comes out. :D;)

 

Should you let this bug you; no that wouldn't be healthy, and you have no control over it anyway.

Was the cache owner OK to do this-maybe. But if they make it a habit, that behavior will become common knowledge in your area, and cachers will just stop leaving the cool stuff in that cachers hides if they intend for the items to be found by other cachers and not to become gifts for that particular cache owner.

Besides, isn't it really about the adventure of the journey and not the swag? :)

 

You make a good point, that I sometimes have trouble remembering. Guess it doesn't matter much how I think things should work, I can't change them. I do think that it's about the journey....but sometime's the journey can have perks too. I probably am a greedy person....hoping that someone like my team might get one handmake hiking stick instead of being happy that the cache owner now has 3. I'll try harder to be happy for others. LOL

 

Anywho...back to real-life. Thanks for the reality check about Serenity.

 

-Buzz

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... That's not really true, it just felt like what I expected should happen isn't what happened. Wouldn't even question if another cacher came across it. Just feels weird to know that someone can sit on a cache and grab whatever they want without giving anyone else even a chance for it and that it seems to be accepted. ...

Unless the cache is in the owner's front yard (different thread), that isn't what happened. Anyone who is interested could have recieved notification of the trade at the same time as the cache owner. The cache owner has a slight leap on those individuals who have never found the cache before, but no lead on those cachers that had. Either way, one can never assume that an item is in a cache just because there is no mention of it being traded out in the on-line logs.

 

Point taken. Just my frustration at a rainy/snowy Monday showing up, I guess. Thanks

 

-Buzz

 

I think it's a case by case, but i am with you generally on this one. If the owner has a couple of the 'special item' and runs out to grab a third one then they are just being greedy. I had a person 'follow in my footsteps' during a Roadtrip since he knew I was placing Roadtrip coins in the caches I went to... that to me is greedy. I don't run out to my own caches unless in a couple of occasions the finder specified there was a surprise (nasty or not!) left in the cache for me to pick up.

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I figure I've spent in the neighborhood of $2,500 (conservative estimate...shhhh, don't tell the wife) placing caches, so if I find some dodad in one of my caches that tickles my fancy, I have no qualms about taking it. Of course I'll make sure I trade evenly just as if I were a regular finder.

 

That said, if some coveted item appeared in one of my caches I'd feel a bit cheesy rushing out there to beat others to it, but if I see something in the course of regular maintenance that interests me I would wouldn't hesitate to trade for it.

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I figure I've spent in the neighborhood of $2,500 (conservative estimate...shhhh, don't tell the wife) placing caches, so if I find some dodad in one of my caches that tickles my fancy, I have no qualms about taking it. Of course I'll make sure I trade evenly just as if I were a regular finder.

 

That said, if some coveted item appeared in one of my caches I'd feel a bit cheesy rushing out there to beat others to it, but if I see something in the course of regular maintenance that interests me I would wouldn't hesitate to trade for it.

 

I pretty much in line with you here. My question was around "rushing out to beat others to it." The cache was placed on Friday and surely didn't need to be maintenanced Sunday (at least not according to logs, etc). Guess it doesn't matter. I was just looking to gauge other people's thoughts. Mostly on how I might be able to avoid people doing that if I leave something nice for a "finder." I do sometimes leave things for cache owners, clearly marked who it's for and mentioned in the log so that if they choose to go get it they can. Guess I'll just do something similar for the next finder and hope for the best. I understand, as someone above mentioned, some folks aren't going to follow your wishes.

 

Thanks for your reply

 

Buzz

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There are a couple variables to this one that should be known. I agree with alot of what has been said and it seems the questions have pretty much been answered. The only thing to add is that:

 

1. The particular "Owner" that went to the cache to retrieve the item had never actually been to that cache, that persons other half had placed it (Yes the person still has inside information as to the where abouts)

 

2. To retrieve the item the owner had to drive nearly 3hrs to do so. (There are plenty of other cachers that live real close)

 

3. The item that was left does not fit in the cache so there was still some unknown searching to be done with instructions by the leaver.

 

4. A third of this particular item would nicely round out there collection as each member of their team would now be the proud solo owner of said item.

 

5. The way in which the owner came about the previous 2 items were for their efforts during an event. So clearly they are not sitting by idoly watching for every opportunity to grab as many of the items even if from their own cache as possible.

 

6. The owner did wait a period of over 24hrs from the time the "Dropped Item" note was posted to the time the item was retrieved.

 

and lastly,

 

7. If I had a beautiful sig item and my wife said hey I want one too, then guess what I don't really have a choice now do I. Nope I'm out first thing wherever it may be to try and grab it (I don't much like being in the dog house)

 

I am new to caching as well just since June and I believe you need to look at the intent and character of a person in any given situation before we get upset. Who knows though I am just an ordinary person myslef and have gotten upset with others for no good reason plenty of times before, none of us are perfect. I know you will get one of those items GeoDevils evetually, look at me I'm moving and will probably never see one up for grabs again in my lifetime, but I tell you one thing for sure if I do whether its in my own cache or not, I'm going for it.

 

Thanks for listening to my rammbling,

 

SearchingSalvos.

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There are a couple variables to this one that should be known. I agree with alot of what has been said and it seems the questions have pretty much been answered. The only thing to add is that:

 

1. The particular "Owner" that went to the cache to retrieve the item had never actually been to that cache, that persons other half had placed it (Yes the person still has inside information as to the where abouts)

 

2. To retrieve the item the owner had to drive nearly 3hrs to do so. (There are plenty of other cachers that live real close)

 

3. The item that was left does not fit in the cache so there was still some unknown searching to be done with instructions by the leaver.

 

4. A third of this particular item would nicely round out there collection as each member of their team would now be the proud solo owner of said item.

 

5. The way in which the owner came about the previous 2 items were for their efforts during an event. So clearly they are not sitting by idoly watching for every opportunity to grab as many of the items even if from their own cache as possible.

 

6. The owner did wait a period of over 24hrs from the time the "Dropped Item" note was posted to the time the item was retrieved.

 

and lastly,

 

7. If I had a beautiful sig item and my wife said hey I want one too, then guess what I don't really have a choice now do I. Nope I'm out first thing wherever it may be to try and grab it (I don't much like being in the dog house)

 

I am new to caching as well just since June and I believe you need to look at the intent and character of a person in any given situation before we get upset. Who knows though I am just an ordinary person myslef and have gotten upset with others for no good reason plenty of times before, none of us are perfect. I know you will get one of those items GeoDevils evetually, look at me I'm moving and will probably never see one up for grabs again in my lifetime, but I tell you one thing for sure if I do whether its in my own cache or not, I'm going for it.

 

Thanks for listening to my rammbling,

 

SearchingSalvos.

 

You certainly bring up good, and not-refuted points. As I said, I was asking about etiquette. How would I leave something for a particular group/type of cacher (maybe for the next actual finder, maybe for someone with less than 50 finds, etc). I am pretty confident now that I could post explicitly how that item should be handled. I don't say definitively that anything was done wrong. I was looking for guidance about how things work. I have a much better understanding now and will alter my line of thought. I wasn't specific because it was more of a generic question raised in my head by a specific thing. That probably doesn't make much sense, but hopefully you know what I mean.

 

Thanks for your much thought-out reply. I wish you and the family the best of luck with your move. I haven't had the pleasure of doing any of your hides yet, but I've certainly heard good things about them!

 

Buzz

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I will sometimes grab a coin or TB out of one of my caches just to log it and move it on. I also sometimes take travel bugs I have found elsewhere, to one of my caches if it fits the mission. I treat geo-swag as a system for worldwide recycling so this sort of thing never bothers me.

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... I understand what you're saying here. The "special" item was placed by the third visitor to a new cache. The fourth visitor left the item for "the next lucky finder" as they already one. Cache owner (who already has two) then went and retreived it. Guess I play different. I'm new and they're not. This wasn't a cache being maintenanced, this was an owner going only because the item was there.

If it were a travel bug or geocoin, would you still feel the same way?

 

Actually, it does rather bug me when I leave an interesting geocoin or TB in a cache, and the next day, the owner runs out to grab it.

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... I understand what you're saying here. The "special" item was placed by the third visitor to a new cache. The fourth visitor left the item for "the next lucky finder" as they already one. Cache owner (who already has two) then went and retreived it. Guess I play different. I'm new and they're not. This wasn't a cache being maintenanced, this was an owner going only because the item was there.

If it were a travel bug or geocoin, would you still feel the same way?

 

Actually, it does rather bug me when I leave an interesting geocoin or TB in a cache, and the next day, the owner runs out to grab it.

 

As long as the person can move it along, I don't think it really matters whether its the cache owner or a finder who grabs the TB or coin. At least it wouldn't to me if the coin or TB were mine.

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Many folks/owners are running out the door because of this thread. I guess if you really wanted a special signature item you could watch the individuals activity then hit the same caches or you could just ask for one.

 

Didn't somebody have a special 'chainmail' sig item? (Chainmail as in what you wear under armor).

 

Be fun to find one of those.

 

I'll run out to one of your caches tomarrow and leave 'chainmail' for you....just be sure you are ready to rush out and get it tomarrow night. ;)

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Hi Buzz,

 

We are very sorry that you are upset with us and concerned about our ethics. We think we are pretty honorable and would never have traveled three hours to retrieve this coveted sig item, except it was for our son. Parents occaisionally do that. Your post did, however get us thinking about whether we should have done what we did, so we emailed the placer of the item to ask his advice on what we should do. Here was our email and his response:

 

Hi LaFrog,

 

We recently placed a cache "Down by the Station" and you left a walking

stick. We left it in place for more than 24 hours and no one came to find

the hide nor claim the stick. We drove 3 hours round trip to retrieve the

walking stick for our 11 year old son who REALLY wanted one.

 

We did not think at the time that it was not okay, but would like your

opinion on the matter. If you intended that it be for someone who had not

yet found the hide, we will return the stick or place it somewhere else if

you like.

 

Please let us know what you would like us to do.

 

Thanks much!!

 

TeamOhno

 

Bugsy

to me

 

Not a problem. I put them out for whoever wants them. If you are willing to

travel that far for it, then enjoy it. That tells me you really appreciated

my efforts. Thanks for the cache in my back yard, (5 miles from home). I

guess when you live near such a memory as this bridge all your life, you

take it for granide. I must have passed over it 100 times or more. But

that's what caching does. It makes you appreciate things out of the 'norm'.

Thanks for that. I might point out , though, I have seen the Spring flood

water beyond the cache location. I'll keep a watch on it for you and pull it

if need be. Have fun, Lafrog

 

-----Original Message-----

From: TeamOhno@gmail.com [mailto:TeamOhno@gmail.com]

Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:33 PM

To: lafrog@adelphia.net

Subject: [GEO] TeamOhno contacting Lafrog from Geocaching.com

 

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So, given that LaFrog has given his blessing, Ozzie will be keeping the stick. I hope we can remain friends and if we ever find a set of Lafrog's walking sticks, we will be sure to pass on them.

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Many folks/owners are running out the door because of this thread. I guess if you really wanted a special signature item you could watch the individuals activity then hit the same caches or you could just ask for one.

 

Okay, this just tied together this thread with what my response was going to be about. I was out enjoying an afternoon of geocaching with my girls. They asked to see the final stage of a multicache that I have set up. I had wanted to check on it and add some new items anyway. So we drove out to do some maintenance...here is what happened. As I was reading the logbook, I asked my girls to empty the cache so that I could repack it since it was going to be full to the max. My one daughter asked where the tinkerbell coin came from. I said What? She showed me the coin. I reread the logbook and could not find anything about this coin. I ended up taking the coin, I really had no choice, my 3 and 4 year olds would not give it up.

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Hi Buzz,

 

We are very sorry that you are upset with us and concerned about our ethics. We think we are pretty honorable and would never have traveled three hours to retrieve this coveted sig item, except it was for our son. Parents occaisionally do that. Your post did, however get us thinking about whether we should have done what we did, so we emailed the placer of the item to ask his advice on what we should do. Here was our email and his response:

 

Hi LaFrog,

 

We recently placed a cache "Down by the Station" and you left a walking

stick. We left it in place for more than 24 hours and no one came to find

the hide nor claim the stick. We drove 3 hours round trip to retrieve the

walking stick for our 11 year old son who REALLY wanted one.

 

We did not think at the time that it was not okay, but would like your

opinion on the matter. If you intended that it be for someone who had not

yet found the hide, we will return the stick or place it somewhere else if

you like.

 

Please let us know what you would like us to do.

 

Thanks much!!

 

TeamOhno

 

Bugsy

to me

 

Not a problem. I put them out for whoever wants them. If you are willing to

travel that far for it, then enjoy it. That tells me you really appreciated

my efforts. Thanks for the cache in my back yard, (5 miles from home). I

guess when you live near such a memory as this bridge all your life, you

take it for granide. I must have passed over it 100 times or more. But

that's what caching does. It makes you appreciate things out of the 'norm'.

Thanks for that. I might point out , though, I have seen the Spring flood

water beyond the cache location. I'll keep a watch on it for you and pull it

if need be. Have fun, Lafrog

 

-----Original Message-----

From: TeamOhno@gmail.com [mailto:TeamOhno@gmail.com]

Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:33 PM

To: lafrog@adelphia.net

Subject: [GEO] TeamOhno contacting Lafrog from Geocaching.com

 

--This message was sent through http://www.geocaching.com --

 

So, given that LaFrog has given his blessing, Ozzie will be keeping the stick. I hope we can remain friends and if we ever find a set of Lafrog's walking sticks, we will be sure to pass on them.

 

Hi guys, I'm really not upset with you. I hope that if you have read all of my comments in this thread, you'll see that I asked a question without specifics to try to gain knowledge. I'm sorry that you feel that I was in some way accusatory. Based on the conversation which has ensued, it seems that it was a valid question with differing opinions. Obviously LOTS of folks agree that what happened was/is perfectly acceptable. I'm fine with that.....figure I should ask the questions that arise to me before they happen to me. I've certainly been accused of causing trouble in the past...and guess I'm not generally well liked in the local caching community. I'm okay with that, I guess. I'm sorry that it turned into this...I didn't bring up the specifics...I clearly stated that I was asking for opinions on etiquette in a hypothetical situation inspired by actual events. I'm especially sorry that now LF had to be brought into it.

 

If you wish to continue this conversation, please do so through my email as the other members would probably appreciate it. Thanks.

 

Buzz

VT-GeoDevils

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Thanks Buzz,

 

Thank you for the nice comments about luck on our upcoming move. It was nice too have met you the couple times I did. I hope you enjoy some of our caches in the future. Definitely check out "Take A Hike" before it goes Awol. As far as this thread is concerned and all the questions posed and so forth. I have met all those involved and consider you all to be nice people. I know that all things said in done of late are all of good intentions by all. I will leave everyone with this....There is no positively decernable emotions that can be perceived correctly 100% of the time when the email (Chatroom, Forum) is involved, meaning that what is typed with one thing in mind may be read and interpreted differently by others. Take care everyone, hope to see some of you in the future.

 

SearchingSalvos.

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Thanks Buzz,

 

Thank you for the nice comments about luck on our upcoming move. It was nice too have met you the couple times I did. I hope you enjoy some of our caches in the future. Definitely check out "Take A Hike" before it goes Awol. As far as this thread is concerned and all the questions posed and so forth. I have met all those involved and consider you all to be nice people. I know that all things said in done of late are all of good intentions by all. I will leave everyone with this....There is no positively decernable emotions that can be perceived correctly 100% of the time when the email (Chatroom, Forum) is involved, meaning that what is typed with one thing in mind may be read and interpreted differently by others. Take care everyone, hope to see some of you in the future.

 

SearchingSalvos.

 

Thanks....a good reminder for me. Hard to believe I was a journalism major and forgot that what I intend people to hear isn't necessarily how they hear it. I have apologized and hope to start over with no hard feelings. Thanks for your help in clearing my mind.

 

-Buzz

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If a cacher leaves something very coveted (say, something handmade that's very popular and "wanted"), is it acceptable for the cache owner to go and grab it?

 

Acceptable? Eh. Perfectly acceptable? No.

 

It's not as if we've not seen something cool in one of our caches during a maintenance visit and taken it, but to run out to pick up a coveted item? I personally think it a bit cheesy, but I certainly wouldn't let it bother me in the least unless the same person is not letting others the opportunity to get one, not trading kindly for it, or if they're putting the items on eBay or something.

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If a cacher leaves something very coveted (say, something handmade that's very popular and "wanted"), is it acceptable for the cache owner to go and grab it?

 

Acceptable? Eh. Perfectly acceptable? No.

 

It's not as if we've not seen something cool in one of our caches during a maintenance visit and taken it, but to run out to pick up a coveted item? I personally think it a bit cheesy, but I certainly wouldn't let it bother me in the least unless the same person is not letting others the opportunity to get one, not trading kindly for it, or if they're putting the items on eBay or something.

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I think that I have a clearer understanding of how stuff like this happens. All's well. I found my copy of the serenity prayer today (funny how things happen sometimes) and feel lots better. I will be trying really hard to just enjoy our hobby without letting myself get caught up. Thansk again!

 

Buzz

VT-GeoDevils

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Should this bug me?

 

Nope......Wellll, if you enjoy having something to get good and mad about, then by all means YES. :)

 

You'll find lots of company on THIS forum.... :)

 

So I have found LOL. How's the ODS going? I found one here in Vermont a couple months back. GCXFKA. Cool idea!

 

Buzz

VT-GeoDevils

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We're pretty new (started in July....60+ caches). I'm not sure if this should bug me as much as it does, so figured I could ask here. If a cacher leaves something very coveted (say, something handmade that's very popular and "wanted"), is it acceptable for the cache owner to go and grab it? I know sometimes a person who has previously found a cache will return to it to grab stuff. Is all of this type stuff generally accepted or is it bad form? Really makes me wonder whether we should ever even try for any of the "special" things noted in logs....after all, we would actually have to FIND the cache to get the prize. Sorry for my rant.

 

Buzz

VT-GeoDevils

 

My idea is that if someone places a cool item in my cache that I want, I will contact the person that placed it there by email and ask them if they would mind me going and trading an equal item for their item. If they want me to leave it for someone else, then I will. I think that is more than fair even though it is my cache......

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