ToddJ Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I want to throw this out to see what you guys think. I have noticed a lot of new travel bugs being put out in my area. In fact, my area is saturated with them. I look at a travel bug as an "Elite" sort of item. Its something that a lot of people look for. It's something special and with a purpose. My question is, are there too many? Within the last month I could have gone to almost any of the caches within 20 miles of my home (There are 18 of them) and picked up a travel bug or two. I would like to see the travel bugs gain an actual "Elite" status. This wouldn't be too difficult to do. There could be a ratio of caches to bugs put in place. Say a 30:1 ratio. Whenever 30 new caches are registered the powers that be could make available 1 TB tag. This would liimit the availability of travel bugs and make finding them more special. For those that say "There are enough rules," this isn't a rule of what can be put in a cache, it's just a limitation on travel bugs. Just a thought. Let me know what you think. Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 It wouldn't bother me if they were banned altogether. That's just my opinion, of course. I usually ignore them now. Quote Link to comment
Bender Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Elite is for snobs. Sorry, that is just how I feel Bender Quote Link to comment
+DustyJacket Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I say no. No more rules like that. If you don't like TBs, ignore them. In an area where you've been to all the caches, a TB gives you a reason to revisit a few of them. DustyJacket Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case... Quote Link to comment
+Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Okay, you only have 7 finds, so in my sleep deprived haze, I'll try very hard not to sound mean. It's good you are asking questions. We don't like your suggestion. Maybe you feel you have a saturation of TB's, but we don't. Or maybe we just have so many cachers that I just can't get any of them. It's still a big deal to us if we find one. You can certainly get creative in trying to limit TB's. Perhaps TB's should be limited to certain areas only. Or limited by how many cachers are in the area. But then how would you enforce that? And if there's too many TB's in an area, who would be the TB police? If you don't like how common they are in your area, then don't get them. Leave the travel bugs for those who enjoy them. Look for real treasures such as a geocoin or signature items. Now these are elite items. We only have one of each. I hope you aren't offended by what I said or how I said it. I am really sleep deprived and not phrasing sentences too well. That moss-covered bucket I hailed as a treasure, For often at noon, when I returned from the field, I found it the source of an exquisite pleasure. Samuel Woodworth The Old Oaken Bucket Quote Link to comment
+smithdw Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 If someone spent the $$ to have a travel bug and placed it in an area, that's their right to do so. If you have too many, you can send them out this way. We don't have a whole lot of them and I enjoy finding them as much as grabbing up signature items that I don't already have. Quote Link to comment
ToddJ Posted May 4, 2003 Author Share Posted May 4, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Bender:Elite is for snobs. Sorry, that is just how I feel Bender Sorry, wrong choice of words. How about "rare" quote: Originally posted by DustyJacket: I say no. No more rules like that.If you don't like TBs, ignore them. In an area where you've been to all the caches, a TB gives you a reason to revisit a few of them. I never said I don't like travel bugs. They are just very common in my area. quote:Originally posted by: Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking: Okay, you only have 7 finds, so in my sleep deprived haze, I'll try very hard not to sound mean. It's good you are asking questions. We don't like your suggestion. Maybe you feel you have a saturation of TB's, but we don't. Or maybe we just have so many cachers that I just can't get any of them. It's still a big deal to us if we find one. You can certainly get creative in trying to limit TB's. Perhaps TB's should be limited to certain areas only. Or limited by how many cachers are in the area. But then how would you enforce that? And if there's too many TB's in an area, who would be the TB police? If you don't like how common they are in your area, then don't get them. Leave the travel bugs for those who enjoy them. Look for real treasures such as a geocoin or signature items. Now these are elite items. We only have one of each. I hope you aren't offended by what I said or how I said it. I am really sleep deprived and not phrasing sentences too well. Let me correct you. I only have 7 logged finds. Now that you brought that up, I'll give you an example of what I mean. Of those 7 that I have logged, there was a bug(s) in 5 of them. I would consider that quite a few bugs. I did not target those 5 specifically for the bugs. I have moved a couple of those bugs and left some for others to move. You are taking my idea a little further than I anticipated. You talk of limiting a TBs ability to move. I am not talking about limiting their movements, just their numbers. Quote Link to comment
+leatherman Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 quote:I never said I don't like travel bugs. They are just very common in my area. I have an issue with new rules being proposed because of one persons opinion, and a very localized condition. Imposing a limitation on everyone in the world due to TB over saturation in one area is very unreasonable. I think you should take some initiative and contact all the cachers in your area. Request that no more TBs be activated until they meet your expected ratio. However I doubt you will receive positive responses. I am the result of genetic manipulation of superior Geocacher DNA. Faster, stronger with superior reasoning and logic. Mokita! Quote Link to comment
ToddJ Posted May 4, 2003 Author Share Posted May 4, 2003 quote:Originally posted by leatherman: quote:I never said I don't like travel bugs. They are just very common in my area. _I have an issue with new rules being proposed because of one persons opinion, and a very localized condition._ Imposing a limitation on everyone in the world due to TB over saturation in one area is very unreasonable. I think you should take some initiative and contact all the cachers in your area. Request that no more TBs be activated until they meet your expected ratio. However I doubt you will receive positive responses. http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/39197_2700.jpg _I am the result of genetic manipulation of superior Geocacher DNA. Faster, stronger with superior reasoning and logic._ http://www.sigmaxi.org/amsci/articles/95articles/Hunt-full.html I am not proposing anything. I just threw out an idea to get peoples thoughts. If you have an issue with rules being made from one individuals ideas you must have an issue with a lot of the laws we must follow. There may be a saturation of travel bugs in my area. That is why I asked for others input, to see if it was something specific to my area. Hopefully some of the travel bugs in my area will move on to other parts of the world and you guys will be able to find them. Quote Link to comment
+leatherman Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 quote:Originally posted by ToddJ:If you have an issue with rules being made from one individuals ideas you must have an issue with a lot of the laws we must follow. Yes there are many laws proposed by Socialist-liberal-NeoCommies that I disagree with. Our country goes down the crapper the more these rules and laws are passed. I have a well worn soap box. I am the result of genetic manipulation of superior Geocacher DNA. Faster, stronger with superior reasoning and logic. Mokita! Quote Link to comment
+c-4 cache Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 So you want to tell my 8 year old daughter that she can't send out a new TB "sully", (sorry too late,he left yesterday), after she has hiked to all but five of my logs, sat in the back seat on the drive to the areas, as me and Limpy sort through the cache, and then walk all the way back to the car? Now she is tracking the bug on line and haveing fun with it, which to her is the funnest part of the whole deal. She has also made a school project out of tracking the bug across country. Which in turn gets other kids and parents interested in the sport. What more could you ask for? Sounds like good advertisement for the sport to me and it gets her out doing things other than sitting infront of the television being a couch potato! If you would like to make some soft of an elite bug, item, whatnot, I think that would be a novel idea. Maybe you could limit how far he could travel in a week, how many caches he could visit in a given time-frame, you get the idea. But as for limiting how many travel bugs can be placed in one area, I think that is a bit unrealistic and unfair to those that have paid the money for the TB's. My particular neighborhood is saturated with Volkswagon Bugs at the moment. I don't particularly care for them, but I don't think my neighborhood would accept a limitation on what kind of car they could buy or drive. It's just unrealistic. Love many, trust few ,always paddle your own canoe. Quote Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 My street has been saturated by people with rocks in their yards (something called xeriscaping). There should be a limit on the number of rocks you can collect around your house. How about only 1 rock (of any size) per tree? I just checked the closest 100 caches to your most recent find (a 40-mile radius). Only 8 of those have TB's in them. That sure doesn't look like saturation to me! Quote Link to comment
+welch Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 quote:Originally posted by ToddJ:My question is, are there too many? Within the last month I could have gone to almost any of the caches within 20 miles of my home (There are 18 of them) and picked up a travel bug or two. I'd say there are actually too few. If you have lots in your area, you must just be lucky . If you don't like moving them, or whatever, then either don't visit the (easy?) caches where they are or just ignore them. Some areas have lots of virutals, or micros or [insert too many whatevers here], and people (that don't like them) in those areas just ignore them... right? Quote Link to comment
+pdxmarathonman Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I think we need a rule that says if you find a cache, you must log it online. Show some respect to the cache placer! I was going to check the TB rate within 20 miles, but there are over 300 caches! Quote Link to comment
+st_richardson Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 What makes a travel bug unique for me is not its rarity but its unique theme. Quote Link to comment
+Hoomdorm Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 If you don't like having so many TB's in your area then how about grabbing some of them and sending them to me. I'll gladly spread them around my area. Part of the joy of geocaching for me is hunting down TB's and moving them along. I love to track their journey. I also love to see the theme of the bugs and why their owner released them and where they want them to go. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache Quote Link to comment
Captain Chaoss Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 sorry dude, the sympathy is just not out here. In my neck of the woods, I consider it a rare occurrence to catch a travel bug. Its not unrealistic to make a special trip to a cache to get one, and its gone already. Someone else beat ya by 2 hours. I have to echo the others, ignore them or send them along this way. Two roads diverged in the woods and I, I took the one less traveled, and that is how I found the cache. Quote Link to comment
+RichardMoore Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 ToddJ, Do you ever get the feeling that you're all alone out there? That it seems like everyone thinks you're wrong? This looks like one of those times! I don't know where you got the idea that travel bugs should be rare/elite/whatever, it's just something else to do while geocaching. It's fun and interesting to see where bugs have been, and to watch your bug travel across country. While individual bugs are unique, bugs as a whole aren't. And they shouldn't be. Add me to the list of geocachers that you can send travel bugs to if there are too many in your area. I have lots of fun with them. Check the logs on the bugs I have found. RichardMoore www.geocities.com/richardsrunaway Quote Link to comment
+Newenglandah Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 NAAAAAAH I like travel bugs, I feel it keeps me in the game,meaning if I show up to a cache and there is a TB there and all Mctoys I'll grab the TB, for my next cache adventure,I like to watch were they go... TB Pictures I have moved Do you get funny looks from co-workers -when you say your going into the woods with a 200$ gadet to find kids toys? See You In the Woods!!! Natureboy1376 Quote Link to comment
+Chazman007 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Yeah like limiting TB's is going to happen. Money makes the world go round. Quote Link to comment
+Dave_W6DPS Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Someone doesn't like locationless, so they should be banned. Someone doesn't like virtuals, so they should be banned. Someone doesn't like travel bugs, so they should be limited. If you don't like part of the game, don't play that part! But please leave it for those who do! Can't we all just get along??? Dave_W6DPS My two cents worth, refunds available on request. (US funds only) Quote Link to comment
+flask Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 plenty o' TB's means plenty o' things to trade. what we ought to limit is the number of hotel soaps that can be released in any given area. it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six. Quote Link to comment
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