Hoomdorm

4- Alice Flagg's grave is a virtual, and the reason for the bare ground path is because of the local legend that deals with her grave. Your passion is great, but slow down and get the facts before you take up a personal crusaide on this Did you even read my post? Your #4 is entirely what my post was about. And I am one of the locals by the way. I'm now reminded of why I quit coming to these boards a long time ago. I'm not interested in getting involved in the mess here again. If I'm needed as a SC geocacher voice for this issue I can be reached by email thru my profile.

Let's reject that idea because its not true. Admitting that we cause damage, but pointing out something that causes more damage is not the way to deal with this. Um, that's why I said the IDEA. It's their idea that we do that. They have their evidence so to them that's what happens.

Considering the idea that geocachers destroy cemetaries by all of the traffic caused by a geocache, has anyone thought to argue the point of the grave of Alice Flagg? I'm sure most everyone knows the story of Alice and her grave is advertised all over the Low Country as a tourist spot. They actually try to bring traffic to this graveyard. The constant flow of people visiting her grave has left a very large area around it walked bare down to the dirt. This also happens to be a very interesting grave yard, with several historical families of Horry and Georgetown counties burried there. I was there myself about a month ago and there was a lot of traffic thru this graveyard. Why is it ok for the state to say one site is ok for them to trample for tourisms sake yet our few people who hunt a geocache in a cemetary is bad? There are also plenty of other ties between tourism and cemetaries. You can find cemetary tours everywhere. Why is that traffic thru the cemetaries ok yet the geocacher traffic isn't?

Sierra Trading Post usually has a wide variety of sizes and most all at very marked down prices. I just bought a new pair of GoreTex Vasque's that had been $180 for $80. They usually have a lot of women's small sizes as well. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

You could always post on your cache pages that anyone trading down will have their logs deleted. Over time maybe people might get the point if they were losing their finds over poor trading. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat:I'm on Jomarac5's side with this one (even though that thought might cause him to re think his position). Nobody's expecting to find gold coins, keys to a new BMW, or a brand new GPS V in a cache. But putting a little thought into the items you place in a cache isn't asking a whole lot. The item doesn't have to be expensive, but it should be thoughtful. You can buy a brand new Matchbox car for 99 cents, so why leave one that you found in your kid's toy chest with missing wheels? Instead of leaving a dirty toy soldier, partially chewed by your dog, you can leave a new bag of 50 of them that will cost you $1.49. Why leave a rusty pocket knife with a broken blade, when you can find a brand new Wenger for $4. A little imagination goes a long way. Use it and if you put 1/100 the effort into finding decent items to leave for your fellow cachers than you do racking up numbers, the sport will be better off for it. _"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues"_ -Abraham Lincoln I think you just summed it all up quite well. Why is that so difficult for others to understand? -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by RobertM: quote:Originally posted by L.O.S.T.hoomdorm:Ok, obviously you're a moron. Anyone remotely familar with the ocean knows that undertow currents can be deadly. This cache required you to cross water where you couldn't accurately tell the depth or judge the current. No, obviously you are the moron! Who said you had to swim / walk across? Can't you think that swimming in a situation like that would be dangerous? The only moron here is you! Maybe you should have used a kayak / canoe / boat. Or maybe instead of trying to take the short cut walk up the river / creek and find a bridge. Or get a trail map of the area so you can find a safe way to get where you need to go! Wake up and use your brain! Think for yourself instead of expecting others to think for you! And now let's get this thread back on topic! :-) RobertM Guess you've never been to an East Coast ocean The inlet goes north for about 30 miles. Don't think walking up the beach would have helped. Dragging a boat down the beach to the spot...yeah, I considered that but since the cache didn't state that it was necessary I went with what it implied, that you could just walk across. The map, yes, I have several. Know the area well. There are no trails here. It's a beach! Lots of little barrier islands off of the inlet. One side of the inlet is private houses that you can't get access to and the other is solid beach. You can't go up to the bridge because the bridge is over wetlands and all you'd do is fall right into the water. I've lived here my whole life & knew exactly where the cache was before even looking at the map. You're showing that you have no knowledge of coastlines. But then you're also showing that you aren't easily embarrassed by your posts. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by jumpy_monkey:She thinks they're "treasure" Daddy hunted to get special for her and she displays them as such. That is cute. I don't think people have a problem with the McToys being there. It's more that a lot of people will 'took gold watch, $50 gift certificate, left McToy. If you're gonna leave a McToy then make sure you're taking something of the same value, whic I don't think can be much. Or leave something else along with it that would be more appropriate for an adult. Doesn't matter how much it costs. I think the message we are all getting at here is just make sure it isn't trash. If a child sees the McToys as a treasure daddy brought home then they have their place in caches. We just have to be responsible about how they are traded. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by prv8eye:Those who say they other people should enjoy geocacing only "for the hunt" are amusing. I wonder if they would enjoy metal detecting just for joy of swinging the detector from side to side, even if they find no coins. I wonder if they enjoy a fishing trip as much when they catch no fish or tiny fish. Geocashing is a "treasure" hunt. Locating a box of trash lessens it to locating a box of trash. Too funny -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by Mopar: quote:Originally posted by L.O.S.T.hoomdorm:Ok, obviously you're a moron. _Anyone remotely familar with the ocean knows that undertow currents can be deadly._ So then you KNEW the risks, and were willing to attempt it anyway. Who was holding the gun to your head at the time? You DID of course also look at that terrain 4 rating before you went after the cache, right? Ok, you're obviously not familiar with oceans. You can never fully tell what area around an ocean will be dangerous. In the summer lifeguards post flags when there is a riptide to alert swimmers of the danger. There's no way for casual swimmers to know the riptide exists. Just the same, parts of the inlets can be simple and shallow or contain a hidden undercurrent. Unless you are an expert you won't know which is which until you get in the water. In situations like this yes, it is the cache hiders responsiblity to alert other cachers that there is a hidden danger here. It's not a danger that 'could' happen, like not taking proper equipment to climb a mountain. It's a danger that can't be prepared for and should simply be avoided. There was a passable area at the cache location but there was no way of looking at the area & knowing that particular spot was safe. The only way I found out was that luck just happened to have it that 2 guys were there crabbing & were familiar with the area & showed me where I could cross. Normally people wouldn't be there to tell you this information. But hey, why should I care, I've done the cache. Let's just leave it to all the folks who follow me & get hurt in the search and then come down on geocaching.com. Is that fair to you? -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache [This message was edited by L.O.S.T.hoomdorm on May 20, 2003 at 08:18 PM.]

quote:Driving to the cache location could be a danger. Eating too much red meat can be a danger. Spending too much time in the sun can be a danger. Do you want to be warned about everything? Get a life and use your brain! Yes, this is off-topic. :-) Sorry folks. Ok, obviously you're a moron. Anyone remotely familar with the ocean knows that undertow currents can be deadly. This cache required you to cross water where you couldn't accurately tell the depth or judge the current. It was a HIDDEN danger that should have been stated in the cache description. The only thing that was said at all was that it was best to go at low tide. No other mention of the ocean or water was even made. I suppose you also would think it funny to hide a cache near quicksand and not tell anyone about it. This isn't like putting a cache up a tall tree and stating it in the cache page. In that situation you can readily see any dangers before even leaving your computer. The cache I am talking about seems harmless until you are suddenly in trouble. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by Radman Version 2.0:I also hate to say it, but until I get 100 finds (I have 93), it's all about the numbers. I trade up, down, around, tnln, I hunt virtuals and micros. All is a statistic in this sick game I call life, and it feels good. Getting a chance to pick something out of a cache and leaving a RADMAN PHOTO FRAME gives me great joy. With each passing cache I get more thrilled at looking back at all my history in this sport, because it can never be erased. Hey GeorgeandMary, if he wants to hunt for a trinket in a cache (which I'm not saying you do, I'm only assuming you hunt for the trinkets), let him do what he wants, as long as it's legal. So many different people are in this sport for so many different reasons, we can't flame them all. Let us all just hold hands and sing a song! http://www.mi-geocaching.org/images/migo_sig_logo.jpg http://images.animfactory.com/animations/flags/u_s_states/michigan_fl_md_wht.gif "Michigan Geocaching At It's Best!" "If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle Thanks Radman. All it takes is a little understanding that we all do things differently but are still part of the same group just having fun. And btw...I'm a she, not a he. I like the feeling of knowing there's gonna be something at the end of the hunt to trade for. Not necessarily to keep. Just something that will be worth taking to another cache & not feeling embarrassed to leave. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by georgeandmary: Maybe you should take all those golfballs you've been collecting and pick a safer sport. Under you list of complaints you have 1) The cache was harder than described and 2) the cache was not full of good stuff. Fore!!!! george Wanna go for a ride? And you just made no sense at all. Sorry you can't accept that I like to geocache & have different reasons for liking it than you. And putting anyones life in danger without alerting them to HIDDEN dangers is not an adventure. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

Now back to the trading discussion. Yes, it bums me to see a cache full of junk but really there's nothing I can do to make people change what they leave. Most of the time I just empty out the obvious junk and replace it with something good. All of my stuff is new and I make a point of not buying anything that I wouldn't be buying for myself to use. I've now started a golf ball collection that I'm gathering up out of all the area caches. I'm in a huge golf area & tourists come down & seem to think leaving their used golf balls is gonna make someone really happy. One cache I cleaned out the other day was nearly 1/3 full of old golf balls. I'm actually thinking of turning all of them into another area cache and designating it as where everyone can come and drop off all their junk golf balls so they don't clutter up the other caches. One good thing about being in a tourist town is that you get to run into other cachers on the trail a lot. This is a perfect opportunity to have a friendly conversation about trade items. Maybe some people don't know that what they're leaving is so looked down upon. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

quote:Originally posted by georgeandmary:Here is what I would consider the start of a great adventure and you let the contents of the cache ruin it for you. I don't even remeber what is the boxes I find, I remember what it took to get there. I don't consider putting my life in danger because someone failed to clearly state the risks in the cache page the start of a great adventure. I never said the contents ruined it for me. I had fun but was extremely disappointed at what was in the cache container. It could have been a great cache if the hider had stated more clearly what you would have to do to get to it and hadn't posted that it was full of goodies. quote:I guess I'm under the assumption that one day you can enjoy the trip and not the trinkets. I may be wrong, maybe you'll never just find the joy in the trip. Be prepared for much disapointment. george Wanna go for a ride? I quite often enjoy the trip. Getting outside is part of the reason I started caching. I have hiked and camped for years and years and know what it is to simply enjoy just being out going somewhere. That's not totally why I geocache tho & it's not up to you or anyone else to tell me why I cache. And again, if you're so correct about the trinkets then why hasn't Jeremy just totally done away with them & said caches can only have logs? It would certainly make things easier on him and in your view make most other cachers happy. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

Funny, since you don't know me it's interesting that you can tell me how I will one day feel. Seems to me that if what you say is true then this sport would have already shifted to having caches that were nothing but a log book & never have any trinkets inside. I've never seen anyone say they think they will find a hidden treasure inside a cache. That's silly to even make a comment like that. But some of us do like finding the trinkets in the cache. I don't expect gold but I do expect more than someone elses trash. If you don't like the trinkets then great for you. Why do you keep coming to discussions about what's inside a cache? For those of us that do care about it it's a very valid topic and on the net I don't feel anything can ever be over discussed. There will always be new people and new ideas. If I had taken the opinion that things should only be discussed once on the net & then dropped then a lot of web sites would be useless now. 10 years ago stuff was discussed that is still brought up over and over today. I've never understood those who can't just stay away from topics they aren't interested in. Accept that not everyone shares your opinion & get on with life. quote: quote: What gets me is the same old group of folks who reply over and over about how they only care about the find & not what's in it. Well great! So quit posting about it & let others who care about what's in a cache discuss it. What really get's me is people explaining that they walk away from a cache disapointed because there wasn't a treasure chest inside. Once you've been around long enough to see how many times this thread has come and gone you can start to let the trinket fetish go. Once you can reach that point you'll never walk away disapointed because of the contents. One of us is living in a world of disapointment. It's not me. Caches get traded down. (period) george Wanna go for a ride? -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

Stunod, did you get to do any caching while you were in our area? -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

So what was the point of posting the pic & then going nuts to get it deleted? -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

I don't mind these posts. What gets me is the same old group of folks who reply over and over about how they only care about the find & not what's in it. Well great! So quit posting about it & let others who care about what's in a cache discuss it. On a sort of different note...I did a 3/4 cache yesterday, actually underrated. Had been trying to get to this one since February. I knew you had to likely cross some water but the cache description said nothing else. Ended up that the water was a very swiftly moving inlet flowing into the ocean. Most places were over my head but in a RARE FEW you could touch bottom but with your feet sinking way into the sand & making walking quite difficult, especially with the current. So anyway, yesterday I finally manage to get across the water! Woohoo, so excited, this cache must be great, right? Well, I'm only the second finder & was disappointed to say the least when I opened it to find a sucker, a worn out paper book of matches, an old lighter, a very worn out golf ball, a dirty coming apart tiny stuffed toy, a free keychain & an opened box of wire connectors. Turns out that the last two were left by the 1st finder. So right about then I'm wanting to find the cache hider & toss him into the inlet I had just crossed. I couldn't believe that any cacher would have the nerve to hide such a difficult cache & then fill it with trash! This same person has several others in our area that end up abandoned but other local cachers help keep them up. I'm not adopting this one tho because of the difficulty. No where on the cache page was any of that mentioned. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

Try this one, the other link had a comma at the end of it. I got my stamp from them & they had it to me very quickly. www.stamp-connection.com -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

So is he a cacher? -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

I think that if you aren't able to open the cache & sign the log book then you don't have a find. If you never actually open the cache when you find it then maybe it'd be a find to you. Just seems kinda simple to me that if you sign the physical log book then you can claim a find. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

I'm curious what those of you who cache with your dogs do to protect them from mosquitos. I went on a maintenance run to one of my caches and took my dog along. She was so covered in mosquitos that I had to quit and leave. It was obvious that she was miserable. I had bug spray on so they weren't bothering me but I'm not going to put the same stuff on her. Are there any effective products out there for dogs? -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

Wow, the Vista price went from $280 to $329. Glad I got my order in before the change Too bad for them tho because there were other things I wanted as well but can now find cheaper elsewhere. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache

$246.42 seems kinda pricey for no more than it offers. I would think that if someone were really that interested in the games they would just buy one of the cheaper units. -------------------------------- Magellan Meridian GPS / 128MB Handspring Visor Deluxe L.O.S.T. - http://www.kjjeep.com http://www.darkglobe.com/geocache