+jeff35080 Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I went to check on the first cache I ever hid today after it got found a couple of times this weekend. When I got to the area the entire cache was gone I have emailed the last person to log the cache to see if they moved it. Here was the cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=48546 It really gripes me that someone would steal a plastic container with only $6 or $7 worth of trinkets in it. This cache was placed on private property, with permission for other geocachers to find it and was not removed by the property owner and the only animals are some squirrels and rabits and it was too heavy for them to take. Okay, I feel better now after blowing off some steam. The question I have is, should I replace it with one in the same location or should I hide a replacement in another location? I can't help but wonder how prevalant Geocache is... Jeff http://www.StarsFellOnAlabama.com http://www.NotAChance.com Quote Link to comment
+Marky Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by jeff35080:The question I have is, should I replace it with one in the same location or should I hide a replacement in another location? I would just archive the cache, find a new location and hide a new cache. If a cache location has been compromised (which sounds like it has), then it might not be safe to re-hide it there. The people who took the first cache might come back. Sometimes, these caches re-appear. The cache 'borrower' takes the cache home, realizes what it is, and then replaces it. The other explaination is that you hid your cache in ivy and it drifted. Ivy is evil, evil stuff. --Marky "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer with a backlit GPSr" Quote Link to comment
TahoeJoe Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Sorry to hear about your cache being stolen. My friend had his cache stolen, so he replaced it with a new one at the same location and it was also stolen shortly after being placed. I would probably place a new cache near the old location. Lake Tahoe Geocacher Quote Link to comment
+jeff35080 Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.... there's no doubt that someone took it. It's pretty sad to be able to afford a $100 GPSr and have to steal $7 worth of 'stuff' Jeff http://www.StarsFellOnAlabama.com http://www.NotAChance.com Quote Link to comment
+Marky Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by jeff35080:It's pretty sad to be able to afford a $100 GPSr and have to steal $7 worth of 'stuff' Now don't go throwing blame where it may not belong. Cache locations get compromised in many ways. It could have been that some person found it by accident, and took it home before opening it (so didn't get a chance to read the stash note). It could have been that some geocacher was observed by a geomuggle, who then came over to see what the fuss was about. Your scenario seems like one of the least likely possibilities (at least I hope that it is). --Marky "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer with a backlit GPSr" Quote Link to comment
+jeff35080 Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 That's true marky, but it was clear container with the stash note laminated to the inside of the container so that it was visible from the outside Hopefully, it will reappear.... but I figure that most likely it won't. As a police officer, I seen people steal much less valuable items... Oh well, that's the way the ball bounces I was wanting to hide another anyways even though I did hide 3 this past weekend. I have as much fun making and hiding them as I do finding them Happy caching! Jeff http://www.StarsFellOnAlabama.com http://www.NotAChance.com Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Here is my take. Your original hiding spot is compromised. If you have a new one nearby that is as good as or hopefully better, you can give that location one more try and tweak your coordinates. Otherwise you will need to archive the cache and try to figure out what went wrong with this one. Wherever you go there you are. Quote Link to comment
+Lazyboy & Mitey Mite Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 As Marky suggested I would archive it as you've done and place a new one in the same general area. I've placed 53 caches so far and a couple of them have vanished. I don't ever think it's a cacher doing it. I've put out caches in 25 dollar ammo boxes a couple of times and after 50 cachers finding it the cache is still active. I've had road crews, park crews, rest stop crews and the like clean up an area and of course the cache will vanish. I'm sure a couple in urban parks were taken by outsiders. I hear voices.....and they don't like you! Quote Link to comment
+Prime Suspect Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by jeff35080:I went to check on the first cache I ever hid today after it got found a couple of times this weekend. When I got to the area the entire cache was gone It happens. Here is where one of my caches used to be. Quote Link to comment
Strands Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 The first cache I placed (just a week or two ago) is still going, but a single item was removed without anyone logging it - A used up one-shot camera, labeled and packed separately in its own bag for Lazyboy (above) that I retrieved from one of his caches that requires wearing waders or surviving really cold water up to your mid thigh to get to... trying to do a nice thing, I put it in my cache and let him know - knowing he'd find it within days. It disappeared... so now I'm thinking moats are good, or at least guard ticks and bovine mine fields. -Gus Quote Link to comment
CacheMasterCobb Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 You never now? I have been to Caches that are 20 feet from where the cache should be, some people get the idea that there GPS is always right, so they move the cache, but then the Hint cant evan help you find the cache. "People Don't Move The Cache" It's sad when you have to hunt for you own cache. [This message was edited by CacheMasterCobb on January 13, 2003 at 02:57 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+Treasure Hunters Inc. Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by CacheMasterCobb:You never now? I have been to Caches that are 20 feet from where the cache should be, some people get the idea that there GPS is always right, so they move the cache, but then the Hint cant evan help you find the cache. "People Don't Move The Cache" It's sad when you have to hunt for you own cache. [This message was edited by CacheMasterCobb on January 13, 2003 at 02:57 PM.] You got that right. I have a cache that got moved about 130 feet from my original hiding spot twice and both times it was put in the exact same place by persons unknown. $1000 Bill Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:I've put out caches in 25 dollar ammo boxes a couple of times.. What, are they made of gold? I've been pretty lucky and have only had one of my 40 some cache go missing. It was one that I didn't expect to last long anyway. Why do some people steal them? I doubt it's for the trinkets. I think some may be anti Geocaching busybodies, but most are just jerks out to spoil our fun. "Paternalism is the greatist despotism" - Emmanual Kant [This message was edited by BrianSnat on January 13, 2003 at 04:20 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+Metaphor Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 It may be the container, not the contents. I had my first plunder GC803C after a new cacher (his first cache) found the ammunition tin and may have innocently shown some local kids where the cache was hidden, by the looks of the log. As a kid, having an ammo tin to stash my goodies in would have been a cool temptation. I replaced it in the same place with a smaller, painted cookie tin to see if it disappears as well. Given how it and where it is hidden, it would be doubtful that the cache would have been discovered inadvertantly. "All of us are standing in the mud, but some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde Quote Link to comment
+Rusty O Junk Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Jeff35080 Don’t archive it! Looking at the map it looks like you had it pretty close to the road and that might make it very susceptible to an accidental find. I’d replace it in the same area only at a new location, perhaps farther from the highway. Quote Link to comment
+jeff35080 Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 I don't have it archived as I'm waiting to hear back from the last person that logged it on Sunday. The cache was fairly near a road but up in a very wooded area complete with briars and thorns and not something one would just stumble across unless they were looking for it. I appreciate everyones' input and I am in the process of making another cache right now. I most likely won't place it in the same location but it will still be a nice cache that will be fun to find. Happy caching! Jeff http://www.StarsFellOnAlabama.com http://www.NotAChance.com Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 before you archive the cache, try just temporarily disabling it, in case someone did take it and is going to return it (it happens). That way if it's returned, you still have it, and if it isn't you can still put one out in a different spot on the same property (owner willing), and just change the page, without having to un-archive the cache Cache you later, Planet "To err is human, to forgive....$5.00" Quote Link to comment
+seneca Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I too just had my first cache plundered - container taken (only a $4 Rubbermaid) and contents strewn everywhere. Fortunately the cacher who discovered the plundered cache (AlistairCalder), recovered the logbook and notified me and he was even kind enough to return with a temporary container to put the remaining cache contents into (what a great guy heh!) I really liked the exact location where the original cache was hidden and there was no better place in the area to hide a new one. After weighing the risks I decided to reconstitute the cache and hide it in exactly the same spot (but better concealed). If and when it gets plundered again I'll let everyone know! I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me. Quote Link to comment
+Newenglandah Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 disable it and move it to a different location.... One of my caches were just taken, I just disabled it for a few days then went out there and found a better hiding spot.... See you in the woods! Natureboy1376 Quote Link to comment
+GeoJunkie Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 One of the first caches I found was plundered. Not only did they steal the cache, they left the log book with various obscenities in it! Guess not everybody gets it. Fortunately, the owner created a new cache nearby that is much less likely to be found! Which also meant I got to make a return trip to the park! Quote Link to comment
enfanta Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 "guard ticks"!! Love it. Quote Link to comment
+jeff35080 Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Well.... with the help of darwin1234, I have learned that my cache ended-up not being stolen. darwin1234 found the cache this past Sunday and was kind enough to go by and attempt to verify that it was still in the location he found it today. I had emailed him to ask about it. He went by, found it, then emailed me. Come to find out, someone had moved it from the location where I originally hid it. I have to admit, that it was a better hiding area, I just wish they had let me know I simply edited the coordinates and re-enabled it on the geocaching.com web site. I was really freaked-out yesterday when I couldn't find it. I am quite glad that it is in good condition and still thriving. Thanks to everyone for the comments and suggestions and a thousand thanks to darwin1234 for helping me refind it and get it back online. Jeff http://www.StarsFellOnAlabama.com http://www.NotAChance.com Quote Link to comment
+Caching In Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Original: Jeff35080 quote:Come to find out, someone had moved it from the location where I originally hid it. I have to admit, that it was a better hiding area, I just wish they had let me know... I think I would still be a little po'd. How presumptuous of them!! And then not to inform you... Quote Link to comment
+EScout Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Being new at this and only a few finds, I have been thinking about containers because I found a great spot to place a cache. A couple of finds have had the the small ammo cans and they are rugged, but somewhat small. Knowing about the animals in the area (especially racoons) I can't imagine any plastic container lasting very long, what with the Pez candy, etc.that seems to be in a lot of them. Anyway, I bought 5 of the small 7.62mm ammo cans (3.5"X 7"X 10") for $2 each. They had the bigger 50 cal cans for $5. Someone mentioned a $25 can--it must be huge. Is the small can an acceptable size? Quote Link to comment
+Upham Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 If a person doesn't like where I've hidden my cache that's tough. Leave it be. That really pisses me off. It's not your's. Quote Link to comment
GPSCache Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I think that some people who cache may have misinterpretted the commonly known rules and take the whole cache since they think that is how the game works. I once found a cache, the returned about a month later to view the contents of the log. One poor fella took the whole cache-on a long hike out the mountains, then returned it after finding that it was supposed to be returned. He said, in the log he brought it home-yet his entry was very innocent sounding and it sounds like he-by mistake thought that rules were different. Although I fortunetely interpretted the rules correctly-to trade item for item.. still, I can understand how taking the whole cache may happen to new cachers every once in a while Quote Link to comment
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