+Camelot Crew Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 What is the opinion on subscriber only caches? I'm wondering what criteria others use to decide if they are going to make a cache subscriber only. David Quote Link to comment
+Tradboy Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Seeing as I am a subscriber, I like the idea of being exclusive Quote Link to comment
+GeoSharks Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 quote:Originally posted by dcline: I'm wondering what criteria others use...... David I have one. It's nothing special. The only criteria I use is: "I want to." Quote Link to comment
+georgeandmary Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Some people make their caches members only. I don't know why, I rarely make a cache members. I used to do one time only caches that contained first to find prizes. Those I made members only. george Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more. Quote Link to comment
CacheProfessor Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 quote:... I'm wondering what criteria others use ... David I was wondering the same since I couldn't find information defining a "Subscriber Only" cache on the Geocaching site. I assume it is a cache for premium members. Quote Link to comment
+Green Achers Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I've used them a few times to allow the paying crowd first hunt. After activity drops off, I open them up to all. I think this may encourage a few extra people to contribute to the need. After all, if it wasn't for the contributions, there wouldn't be any computers to run Geocaching. Bill of Green Achers "I'm Not Sure I Understand Everything I Know About This." Quote Link to comment
+Camelot Crew Posted February 23, 2003 Author Share Posted February 23, 2003 This confirms the way I felt too. Support the site, give paying users first shot, and then open things up for others later. Of course, I don't see myself only placing MOC's either. Thanks for everyone input. David Quote Link to comment
+LarsThorwald Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 I've paid no attention to them at all. There are very few around here, for one thing... and, for another, I just don't really care. Charlie "One should never begin a journey by heading in the wrong direction." Quote Link to comment
+Wetpaws Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 I agree, I just put one out that had a very special FTF prize, tickets to the Sacramento Kings. I like to support the local cachers - they have contributed so much to the local scene...its just my way of saying thanks. It will be Members Only for @ 3weeks, then anyone can go for it (gotta have a boat tho ) Its nice to support the cause I think Quote Link to comment
+Rent Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 Lately I've been sorely tempted to take the bulk of my caches to members only status. Geeze... the amount of TRASH that is being left in caches is disheartening. I think that the average member tends to avoid geotrashing. That's my reasoning anyway. - Rent Quote Link to comment
+Highpointer Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Protect your caches: Make them "Members Only." quote:Originally posted by David of Camelot Cache Hunters:What is the opinion on subscriber only caches? I'm wondering what criteria others use to decide if they are going to make a cache subscriber only. quote:Originally posted by montythemule:Cache removal by land managers is happening in Arizona and California, too. What to do? Become a Geocaching.com Premium Member and make your caches "Members Only" caches. Therefore, the land managers would have to become Members in order to know where your caches are located and to read the cache descriptions. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer ) Quote Link to comment
+Green Achers Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 30 bucks is all it takes to block the cache police?? It's worth more than that... but I'll take it at the price! Great point, Highpointer. Bill of Green Achers "The [PERSON] who reads nothing at all, is better educated then the [PERSON] who reads nothing but newspapers." Thomas Jefferson Quote Link to comment
+aka Monkey Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 I just set up my first subscriber cache. It's a themed cache which contains outdoor gear (survival whistles and the like), and I feel it's more likely to stay viable if I keep out the "riffraff." It also encourages people to become subscribers, and support this great site. Love the idea about blocking the "cache police" though. Quote Link to comment
+Highpointer Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 I don't understand why being a Premium Member, and making caches Members-Only, is "elitist". Can't everyone afford $30 per year? That's a lot less than the cost of a GPS, and less than a tankful of gas for the trucks and SUV's that most geocachers drive. Being a member of Augusta National Golf Club is elistist; being a Premium Member of Geocaching.com is not. My opinion is that if you can't afford to pay $30 per year for the privilege of geocaching, then perhaps you need to find some other activities to do. I believe that most geocaches should be "Members-Only", perhaps leaving a few available for newcomers and beginners. Also, I believe that only Premium Members should be allowed to hide caches. This, I feel, will improve the quality of geocaching and improve the quality of caches. Fewer travel bugs will become lost as well, because many travel bugs become lost when they are taken by inconsiderate, careless, or inexperienced geocachers who don't log their travel bug findings, and don't move the travel bug to another cache. As more people begin participating in geocaching, I feel we need to have some better control over the people who join our activity. Many people, it appears, find a few caches and then stop caching, or they hide a cache but then fail to maintain it or fail to respond to messages when the cache is reported missing. By making membership a requirement to participate in geocaching, we will cull out the non-committed and disinterested geocachers and ensure that most geocachers are serious about geocaching and are committed to maintaining the high quality of geocaching. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) Quote Link to comment
+DustyJacket Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 The $30 won't stop land managers from finding MOC on "their" land. They'll xpense it. Better to get permission first. (I'm still working on that for my first cache.) DustyJacket Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case... Quote Link to comment
+Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Someone in Arizona said that land agencies are given gratis (free) memberships. I don't know if that's true, but it eliminates the "cost of membership will stop the land agencies from confiscating my cache" argument. We're members because we CHOOSE to SUPPORT the website, not because we EXPECT some extra special benefits from it. If we get extra benefits, then that's a bonus. When we set a cache, we want people to attempt it. We are all for letting the masses attempt our caches (no guarantees of finding our caches). Nor do we look down our noses at those who don't have memberships. "I'm a member and you're not" snootiness is where elitism comes in. Although we probably won't do it, I think setting some caches initially as members-only then opening them up to everyone after a short time, or after the first find, is a good idea. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 Quote Link to comment
+Highpointer Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking:Someone in Arizona said that land agencies are given gratis (free) memberships. I don't know if that's true, but it eliminates the "cost of membership will stop the land agencies from confiscating my cache" argument. Why should land agencies be given free memberships when I have to pay for my membership? The only way for public land agencies to get Premium Memberships is to pay for them out of public funds, which is paid by all of us who pay taxes and user fees. And I surely don't want my money to be used to pay for Premium Memberships for public land agencies. quote:Originally posted by Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking:We're members because we CHOOSE to SUPPORT the website, not because we EXPECT some extra special benefits from it. If I pay $$$ for something, I expect to get something of value in return. The main benefit to me of getting a Premium Membership is to protect my caches and to view and find other Premium caches. If I was getting no benefits from my payment, then why should I pay any money for something? If we Premium Members don't create more Members-Only caches, then there is less incentive for other geocachers to become Premium Members. However, if there are more Members-Only caches, then more geocachers will have an incentive to become Premium Members. quote:Originally posted by Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking:We are all for letting the masses attempt our caches. I am in favor of anyone visiting my caches as long as they don't plunder or steal it, close the cover securely, and return it to its hiding location in the exact same condition that they found it and continue to hide it well. If there is a travel bug in the cache, they are free to take it, as long as they properly log the travel bug and move it to another cache relatively soon afterwards. Anyone who does all of the above is free to visit my cache. However, those people who don't follow the above guidelines are not welcome at my caches. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer ) Quote Link to comment
Vacman Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Well I won't make mine open-to-all if I want to give away $70.... I made my last a MOC and after the 3 prizes are given away, then I will open it up to all. If you ever catch on fire, try to avoid looking in a mirror, because I bet that will really throw you into a panic. Quote Link to comment
kablooey Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Wetpaws:I like to support the local cachers - they have contributed so much to the local scene...its just my way of saying thanks. In my area, there are some local cachers who have contributed much to the sport (e.g. Buxley and blscearce) who are not members. Quote Link to comment
+Lazyboy & Mitey Mite Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 I did a couple of members only caches to protect the quality of the cache. Well that plan didn't work. They still went downhill fast. So I opened them up to the public and won't do another one again. Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful Quote Link to comment
+Camelot Crew Posted April 15, 2003 Author Share Posted April 15, 2003 quote:Originally posted by kablooey:In my area, there are some local cachers who have contributed much to the sport (e.g. Buxley and blscearce) who are not members. Kablooey makes a good point. When I first placed this subject on the forum I didn't anticipate all the response. Glad other people think about these things too. Quote Link to comment
2oldfarts (the rockhounders) Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 We just became members and have not made any plans to do MOC mainly because there are so few caches within a 50 to 60 mile radius of our home. We subscribed because we enjoy the sport. One criteria we use when placing a cache is the difficulty in getting to and finding the cache. The tougher it is the better the items in the cache. We also ask on the cache page that people trade equitably so others will be able to find something nice. When we hide a cache it is for our enjoyment first, then for the enjoyment of other cachers second!!! If no one finds the cache we still had the fun of Geocaching. That is why we subscribed. Quote Link to comment
+Camelot Crew Posted May 16, 2003 Author Share Posted May 16, 2003 quote:Originally posted by 2oldfarts (the rockhounders):We just became members and have not made any plans to do MOC mainly because there are so few caches within a 50 to 60 mile radius of our home. We subscribed because we enjoy the sport. One criteria we use when placing a cache is the difficulty in getting to and finding the cache. The tougher it is the better the items in the cache. We also ask on the cache page that people trade equitably so others will be able to find something nice. When we hide a cache it is for our enjoyment first, then for the enjoyment of other cachers second!!! If no one finds the cache we still had the fun of Geocaching. That is why we subscribed. You make some excellent points Rockhounders. Thanks for your input on MOC's. Quote Link to comment
+pdxmarathonman Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 quote: Why should land agencies be given free memberships when I have to pay for my membership? The only way for public land agencies to get Premium Memberships is to pay for them out of public funds, which is paid by all of us who pay taxes and user fees. And I surely don't want my money to be used to pay for Premium Memberships for public land agencies. Efficiency in posting. Ask a question and then answer it all in the same sentence Quote Link to comment
+pdxmarathonman Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Oh, and the only reason I might make a cache MOC is to read the audit log. Its fun to see who looks at your cache page - and how often! Quote Link to comment
+Camelot Crew Posted May 19, 2003 Author Share Posted May 19, 2003 quote:Originally posted by pdxmarathonman:Oh, and the only reason I might make a cache MOC is to read the audit log. Its fun to see who looks at your cache page - and how often! Audit logs are one of the main reasons I like the MOC's too. Quote Link to comment
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