Which category for this?

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Ghost towns? 

[+T0SHEA]

4 hours ago, pmaupin said:

Hello
I found a lake with 3 villages engulfed in this lake, there is only one church, is there a category where I can post these villages.
Thanks to all

I'm not sure I get the word "engulfed". Are they underwater or are they on islands in the lake?

Keith

[+pmaupin]

Hello Keith

they are underwater

Philippe

 

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Phillipe - if the towns are underwater, I think maybe you are out of luck, unless the towns have Wikipedia entries. Maybe news article locations? Wierd story locations?

 

We have lakes that have engulfed towns in Texas, but many times they reappear and can be visited when lake levels change and the towns "rise again". Once exposed, many of these towns will be visitsble for years.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Benchmark Blasterz

[+T0SHEA]

10 hours ago, pmaupin said:

they are underwater

Philippe

 

Hi Philippe,

I wish there was a category for such things as there are several now submerged towns south of us that were inundated when the Grand Coulee Dam was built on the Columbia River in the 1930s. The lake that was formed, Lake Roosevelt, stretches from the dam to the Canada-US border and has submerged possibly a dozen towns. Some of the towns were partially or wholly moved to higher ground.

Another case is north of us; Arrow Lakes and the Hugh Keenleyside dam, again on the Columbia River. At low water one can see remnants of a couple of these towns.

Keith

[+PISA-caching]

Wikipedia says. "Construction of dams has produced ghost towns that have been left underwater."

So why not list them in the "Ghost town" category?

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

1 hour ago, PISA-caching said:

Wikipedia says. "Construction of dams has produced ghost towns that have been left underwater."

So why not list them in the "Ghost town" category?

I'd love to see these inundated towns there - I've visited several in Texas and along the MX border 

https://www.texasobserver.org/bluffton-texas-lost-civilization-rises-from-lake-buchanan/

I'll reach out to the Ghost towns category managers to make sure they know about this thread.  

Here's the email I sent:

Hey Bean Team The Ghost town category is being discussed in the forums, in the thread "What category for this?" on page 3. Do y'all accept inundated towns? I have photos of at least 2 Texas towns that were inundated by dam construction that are/can be exposed and that I have visited, and which anyone can visit when they're out. We'd love to see a category officer weigh in on this topic over there -- Thanks

Edited September 13, 2017 by Benchmark Blasterz

[+TheBeanTeam]

Thanks for the invite to the topic. 

 

They fit perfectly in the Ghost Towns category. It would fit under the "Human Caused Disaster" variable. 

 

 

[+pmaupin]

5 hours ago, Benchmark Blasterz said:

I'd love to see these inundated towns there - I've visited several in Texas and along the MX border 

https://www.texasobserver.org/bluffton-texas-lost-civilization-rises-from-lake-buchanan/

I'll reach out to the Ghost towns category managers to make sure they know about this thread.  

Here's the email I sent:

Hey Bean Team The Ghost town category is being discussed in the forums, in the thread "What category for this?" on page 3. Do y'all accept inundated towns? I have photos of at least 2 Texas towns that were inundated by dam construction that are/can be exposed and that I have visited, and which anyone can visit when they're out. We'd love to see a category officer weigh in on this topic over there -- Thanks

 

50 minutes ago, TheBeanTeam said:

Thanks for the invite to the topic. 

 

They fit perfectly in the Ghost Towns category. It would fit under the "Human Caused Disaster" variable. 

 

 

Hello
thank you very much for these searches, the forum is really nice.
Well now to me to publish this waymark
A big thank you Benchmark Blasterz for this request from the group of Ghost towns category.
A good day, friendly
Philippe

[+WadleClan]

We have a beer cellar in our town.  Not a brewpub, like I usually find when I do a search for this term, but an underground cellar, with a door and stone structure built into the side of a hill.  This is a notable pace in our village, but were on earth do I place it?  I'm about to mark it in  "Dated Architectural Structures Multifarious".  It's a storage area that has been around for at least 100 years and is now used by the local garden society, still as storage.  Thanks for any help on this one.

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

1 hour ago, WadleClan said:

We have a beer cellar in our town.  Not a brewpub, like I usually find when I do a search for this term, but an underground cellar, with a door and stone structure built into the side of a hill.  This is a notable pace in our village, but were on earth do I place it?  I'm about to mark it in  "Dated Architectural Structures Multifarious".  It's a storage area that has been around for at least 100 years and is now used by the local garden society, still as storage.  Thanks for any help on this one.

Does it have a date inscribed on it? Is it stand alone? If so, it may be better in Dated buildings and cornerstones. 

Is this cellar all that is left of a brewery? If so it could go in preserved architectural remnants and ruins.

Can you please post a photo?  

 

 

[+WadleClan]

2 hours ago, Benchmark Blasterz said:

Does it have a date inscribed on it? Is it stand alone? If so, it may be better in Dated buildings and cornerstones. 

Is this cellar all that is left of a brewery? If so it could go in preserved architectural remnants and ruins.

Can you please post a photo?  

 

 

Unfortunately, I cannot post it.  Even though the file shows it is less than 2MB, when I try to add it, the site says it's too large.  I can place it under dated buildings then.  It is dated and stands alone.  It's a storage cellar and always was, not part of another building.  It's the old-fashioned way of store food, or in this case beer, for the whole town.  Thanks for the category. :-)

[+*Team Krombaer*]

BIERKELLER

 

können Touristische Attraktionen sein. Wenn nur e i n Bierkeller im Umkreis von rund 20 km vorhanden ist und spektakulär genug ist, gibt es die Kategorie "Superlatives", falls in der Denkmalliste des Ortes kann natürlich der Bierkeller auch dort "beheimatet" werden... Noch Fragen ??

 

Euer *SportBaer*

[+WadleClan]

14 hours ago, *Team Krombaer* said:

BIERKELLER

 

können Touristische Attraktionen sein. Wenn nur e i n Bierkeller im Umkreis von rund 20 km vorhanden ist und spektakulär genug ist, gibt es die Kategorie "Superlatives", falls in der Denkmalliste des Ortes kann natürlich der Bierkeller auch dort "beheimatet" werden... Noch Fragen ??

 

Euer *SportBaer*

Danke.  Ich denke "Dated Buildings" ist die beste.  Unsere Bierkeller ist special in dem Dorf und die "ONLY", aber nicht super special. :-)  Danke alles für die Hilfe.

[+WadleClan]

Here's a doozy... we have an execution site near us.  We just found it on a long hike the other day.  There was a dedicated spot where they did beheadings and the original stone foundation still stands.  What on earth would that be categorized as?  I looked at Tragic sites, but the subcategories don't fit.

[+fi67]

1 hour ago, WadleClan said:

Here's a doozy... we have an execution site near us.  We just found it on a long hike the other day.  There was a dedicated spot where they did beheadings and the original stone foundation still stands.  What on earth would that be categorized as?  I looked at Tragic sites, but the subcategories don't fit.

What a coincidence! The very same thing just happened to me.

I posted it to our local Heritage Sites category, because it is an A grade object. Now you seem to live in Baden-Württemberg and they treat their heritage list as a state secret (no joke, really!). So even if this location has a protection status and there is the Deutsche Denkmallisten category, it might be nearly impossible to find out if it is on the list. But sometimes one can find newspaper articles or signs that confirm this status.

My find was the last existing example of a special type of gallows in the whole country, so I cross-posted it to Last of its Kind. Maybe your find is also something last, try to find out.

A third option would be Official Local Tourist Attractions, if it is listed on a municipal (or other governmental) web site. Commercial sites do not qualify.

Last but not least, there is a dedicated category for them: Punishment and Disciplinary Devices.  I did not think about this one, before I read your question. I don't know if they accept the stone foundation without a remaining superstructure, but it is worth a try. I am just going to try mine.

Edited September 25, 2017 by fi67
typos

[+fi67]

19 minutes ago, fi67 said:

I am just going to try mine.

Already approved.

[+WadleClan]

3 hours ago, fi67 said:

Already approved.

Awesome!  Yep, I am in BW and it is nearly impossible to find out the local denkmal without going to the bowels of some of the Kreis offices.  I will try the same in a little bit then.  Thanks for all the helpful information.

[+Alfouine]

This ceramic tile stove is magnificent but i found no category to publish it, any suggestions ?

 

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Not a household appliance? Heaters are accepted there I think. Not just cooking ovens. 

The Relief designs are very cool - try it in Relief art? 

I see a royal Coat of Arms on it too -- 

[+Alfouine]

2 hours ago, Benchmark Blasterz said:

Not a household appliance? Heaters are accepted there I think. Not just cooking ovens. 

That was the logical category, but they do not accept Heating unit even if it is not in the exclusion list. And expand the description is not scheduled...

I did not see the coat of arm, unfortunately i could not make a close-up picture.

And relief art is for a sculpture, it's not a sculpture....

[+pmaupin]

C'est celui de Chambord, j'ai exactement la même photo

[+Alfouine]

1 hour ago, pmaupin said:

C'est celui de Chambord, j'ai exactement la même photo

C'est ça et c'est dommage de ne pas pouvoir le publier.... il est vraiment magnifique...

[+pmaupin]

Good evening
This wyamark has been refused in two different categories: "Murals" and "Artistically Decorated Utility Boxes" what do you think and what should I do.
thank you

[+elyob]

If it was turned down by "Artistically Decorated Utility Boxes"  because of the lack of photographs, I think your subject is worth going back for more photographs.  That's a nice one.

[+pmaupin]

This is the explanation for the refusal " We are only looking for UTILITY BOXES, not UTILITY BUILDINGS. If a structure has a human-size door intended for human entry into the structure, then it cannot be waymarked here."

[vulture1957]

artistic graffiti?

 

[+Alfouine]

We already had this discussion in the forum : Absurd ?

And two of my waymarks were finally approved in Murals category Waymark 1 and Waymark 2

Utility box leader changed the description to exclude these big utility boxes, but Mural officers should approve them.

If i remember well, both leaders had an exchange about these cases

I do not understand when the job is done why officers are so strict....

Edited October 10, 2017 by Alfouine

[+MountainWoods]

Officers are generally strict because they want quality Waymarks that meet the requirements.

To some of us, this is more than just a game, like Scrabble.  It's also a good way to document things that are worth documenting.  Once you start letting anything into a category -- just so that folks won't say that the officers are so strict -- you've just cheapened the activity/sport/hobby/game/recreation of Waymarking.

If that isn't easy to understand, you may be in the wrong hobby...

[+pmaupin]

54 minutes ago, MountainWoods said:

Officers are generally strict because they want quality Waymarks that meet the requirements.

To some of us, this is more than just a game, like Scrabble.  It's also a good way to document things that are worth documenting.  Once you start letting anything into a category -- just so that folks won't say that the officers are so strict -- you've just cheapened the activity/sport/hobby/game/recreation of Waymarking.

If that isn't easy to understand, you may be in the wrong hobby...

Yes but the officers can not throw the ball "it's not in the right category it's in the other"

[+fi67]

1 hour ago, pmaupin said:

Yes but the officers can not throw the ball "it's not in the right category it's in the other"

An officer can approve or deny. Period. Any additional comment regarding another category that might fit is always a try to help, not more and not less. Calling this "throwing the ball" is not appropriate.

[+pmaupin]

26 minutes ago, fi67 said:

An officer can approve or deny. Period. Any additional comment regarding another category that might fit is always a try to help, not more and not less. Calling this "throwing the ball" is not appropriate.

I just wanted to say that one officer of one category had sent me to another, and that in the other an officer had sent me back to the first one, hence the idea of a ball coming and going

[+Alfouine]

11 hours ago, MountainWoods said:

Officers are generally strict because they want quality Waymarks that meet the requirements.

I agree

11 hours ago, MountainWoods said:

To some of us, this is more than just a game, like Scrabble.  It's also a good way to document things that are worth documenting.  Once you start letting anything into a category -- just so that folks won't say that the officers are so strict -- you've just cheapened the activity/sport/hobby/game/recreation of Waymarking.

I NEVER said that

11 hours ago, MountainWoods said:

If that isn't easy to understand, you may be in the wrong hobby...

I just have a different point of view ...

[+lumbricus]

On 10.10.2017 at 0:08 AM, vulture1957 said:

artistic graffiti?

 

Yes, I will accept it.

[+MountainWoods]

23 hours ago, Manville Possum said:

 

I really got a kick out of the "cheapened the activity/sport/hobby/game/recreation of Waymarking" comment. It's a free site supported by geocachers. That is pretty cheap. 

 

We're talking quality, not price.  Many sites have free contributions, such as FindAGrave.  You can put in "cheap" (low quality) information into such sites, just as in Waymarking.  Unfortunately, I found several instances where someone came back from a day of walking cemeteries and put the information for a grave in the wrong cemetery.  That cheapens FindAGrave.

[+MountainWoods]

22 hours ago, Manville Possum said:

 

Okay, now I understand. But can't the same be said about missing and relocated Waymarks here in the database? When I first started WM'n I thought it was a group of nit picky people and was told that my WM's were substandard because I'm a copy/paste waymarker. I just see Waymarking as a source to store and share interesting locations, and it does not have to be perfect. I'm not OCD about Waymarking, it's just a game.

 

We agree on Waymarking as a source to store and share interesting locations.  For me, though, it is more of a documentation site than a mere game.  My thinking is that the serious traveler might want to use Waymarking to search for interesting things in a location they'll be visiting or passing through; just as I use an old Readers' Digest book to do the same thing.  That being the case, I lean a bit more on the let's-get-this-right side.

As to copy/paste, I have always discouraged that -- even where I worked (before retirement), simply because the source site for the information may be updated in the future, but the copy/paste obviously will not be.  Example: Someone updates a Wikipedia article to fix misinformation (another user contributed site!); but tough luck on anyone who copy/pasted from that article!

There's one category where I would like to just put in a link to the source site, even though I know it will require that the reader will have to click a link to a different site to get more information (wow, what labor!), but the category officers do not agree, and would rather have potentially stale information pasted into the Waymark.  I just have to agree to disagree with them; knowing that the resulting category of Waymarks will lose quality over the years because of their decision.

Keeping existing waymarks current is a consideration.  I have gone back to a bunch of my waymarks and fixed them when things changed.  I had to "UNABANDON" a cemetery because some local group noticed that it was totally uncared for (maybe because of my waymark??) and started regular maintenance.  (Good and bad on that!  Good for the cemetery, bad for the waymark.)

I also don't hesitate to make Edit Suggestions from my Waymark visits (yes, I do visit many waymarks not my own) when required by subsequent changes to the object of the waymark.  I always try to think of Waymarking as a document/list type of thing that can be used by the aforementioned serious traveler, meaning that it should only contain what is needed to whet the interest of the waymarker, including links to better sources (kept current) on the waymarked object, rather than copy/paste potentially stale information.  Anyway, that's my thinking.  Since it is considered a game, I'm sure that there'll be a widespread set of opinions on both copy/paste and quality/"pickiness".

Now back to What Category For This?

[vulture1957]

1 hour ago, Manville Possum said:

So back on topic, is there a category for those dog poop bag boxes that are commonly found in parks? I asked before and it went unanswered.

Thanks in advance.

I can't think of where that would fit.

[+MountainWoods]

23 hours ago, vulture1957 said:

I can't think of where that would fit.

Oh boy, did I think of an answer to this.  But I'll leave it unposted....

[+fi67]

23 hours ago, Manville Possum said:

Neither can I, but I see them everywhere now and feel they deserve a category to waymark them. 

I can understand that you like them, I like them, too.

Seriously, not so much the boxes as such, but the plastic bags to take they have on the sides. They had an unobtrusive brown these days, today they come in orange and red (like jail suits). When my kids were little babies, these bags turned out to be the absolutely best to put full nappies in when on the way. Totally superior to any commercial product and freely available at every street corner.

Around here they have become the single most frequent item in public space over the last 25 years or so. I estimate about 1000 within ten miles around home. For prevalence reasons, I have to sadly say no to this category.

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

I also see them everywhere - in both rural and urban areas, especially those rural areas where they expect tourists. They are at every rest area and truck stop along the interstates, at all state visitor centers, anywhere there is a "pet comfort area", and in all the state parks near the picnic areas or public restrooms. I see them at hotels in big cities and in small towns. 

In cities, these "doggie baggies" dispensers are in all parks, downtown squares, at dog parks, and along walking or hike-and-bike trails - anywhere a dog might be with its owner having fun.

So I also think there may be a prevalence issue here, and also a question as to whether they are interesting. I agree with a previous poster who used them for human babies, they were LIFESAVERS in the diaper days  

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

I have never seen anything like that -- is this an old highway marker along a highway with its own category here? Dixie hwy, OST, or Lincoln Hwy? 

[+QuarrellaDeVil]

Found this while walking a cemetery not too long ago.  Doesn't seem to be a fit for the Korean Memorials, but it's a cenotaph for one lost American soldier.   Findagrave notes that he was murdered in Korea, buried on the spot, and we don't know where his remains are today.  If anything, Graves of Unusual Deaths will take it.

Edited October 20, 2017 by QuarrellaDeVil
Added something

[+PISA-caching]

23 hours ago, Manville Possum said:

Which category for this? Does anyone have any information on these? They are old highway markers made of concrete and likely from the 1950's.

"Human Error", if it is really from the 1950s and Jesus is still not here. :-)

[+PISA-caching]

Ok, you want a serious answer. How about "Etched in Stone"? I don't know when and from whom that sentence was used for the first time (the bible maybe?), but it's definitely not a creation of the builder. So, "Etched in Stone" is my best guess.

[+T0SHEA]

5 hours ago, PISA-caching said:

"Human Error", if it is really from the 1950s and Jesus is still not here. :-)

You get another LOL from here!!! 

Keith

[+kaschper69]

Does anyone have an idea for a suitable category? Is it some kind of art or can it be published under the abstract public sculptures? The bicycles are in a allotment.

[+Alfouine]

You can try Junk Design Houses

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

19 hours ago, kaschper69 said:

Does anyone have an idea for a suitable category? Is it some kind of art or can it be published under the abstract public sculptures? The bicycles are in a allotment.

Sculpture gardens? Lol -- 

But seriously, it's clearly an art display, so I would look in the sculpture categories. 

[+kaschper69]

3 hours ago, Manville Possum said:

Other than etched in stone, any other ideas? It was declined there, but I added some information and resubmitted it. 

Jesus is coming soon WM.

I had been given a rejection at "Etched in Stone" last time with the note "Etched in Stone is for a memorable quotes etched in stone."

I can not imagine that this text is a memorable quote.

Perhaps you could still place it under "Unusual Signs"? Because, who really believes in such a thing?

[+kaschper69]

14 hours ago, Alfouine said:

You can try Junk Design Houses

Thank you for noting, it was successful!